Heuristics and biases in decision making, explained

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  • We all use heuristics to make everyday decisions - but sometimes they blind us to the truth. So we need to do something that doesn’t come easy: accept that our ideas might be wrong.
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Komentáře • 225

  • @sandeepravivlogs
    @sandeepravivlogs Před 4 lety +177

    I am here because of thinking fast and slow book... :)

  • @farhanqazy
    @farhanqazy Před 2 lety +70

    Punch Line: "Recognizing the flawed nature of your thinking is a bold first step to challenging it."

  • @starrychloe
    @starrychloe Před 6 lety +276

    Thanks. You've opened my eyes to the #SquareEarth.

  • @KylePerkino
    @KylePerkino Před 4 lety +14

    Thanks for adding this new word "heuristic" to my brain's vocab!

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +44

    00:18
    "Heuristics" are straight-forward rules of thumb that we develop based on our past experiences. they are cognitive tools that help make quick decisions or judgments. 00:26

  • @unclediego3412
    @unclediego3412 Před rokem +11

    I was searching for this as a computer science college student, thank you for your information

  • @King0fheros
    @King0fheros Před 3 lety +3

    The idea of heuristics is a very helpful way to get to an answer faster when making decisions that may not allow time for deliberation.

  • @nathanmadonna9472
    @nathanmadonna9472 Před měsícem

    I'd be careful saying the world is less violent than ever before but I see your point and this is an awesome video. The animation is a wonderful touch. Great job.😃

  • @Dedbeatz.
    @Dedbeatz. Před 2 lety +12

    A brilliant example of an informative video. Thanks for the upload!

    • @nondescriptnyc
      @nondescriptnyc Před rokem

      I agree-but the example about pre-selecting outfits (at 0:40) isn’t technically heuristics b/c it is not technically “cutting corners” cognitively, in my opinion, b/c you are merely making decisions about your outfit in advance, so that you won’t have to make that decision as you get ready. In other words, you might go through extensive, resource-intensive decisions about your outfit on the evening before going to work, so that would not meet the definition(s) of heuristics, I don’t think.

  • @coli2vain714
    @coli2vain714 Před 5 lety +205

    this low-key is targeting flat-earth believers

    • @ryrilo5078
      @ryrilo5078 Před 4 lety +12

      Coli2vain..it wasn't even low key. And it was actually doing the very thing it was explaining.

    • @jathebest2835
      @jathebest2835 Před 3 lety +6

      It also attacked me who is a banana-shaped earth believer..

    • @InspiredonYT
      @InspiredonYT Před 3 lety +2

      Coli2vain Oh no, how sinful!

    • @jacketnipple
      @jacketnipple Před 2 lety +2

      @@jathebest2835 atleast it's semi round but long ..

    • @mickeywood3012
      @mickeywood3012 Před 2 lety

      It's more like he's channeling Edmund Husserl, who taught about Phenomenology early in the 1900's Germany. What's important about this message is EVERYBODY is unique. All Knowledge is relative to the individual.

  • @franciscoguerrajr155
    @franciscoguerrajr155 Před 4 měsíci

    Short and sweet and easy to follow. Very interesting video.

  • @vonPlettenberg
    @vonPlettenberg Před 27 dny

    Beauuuuutiful video, my guy. Thanks for that

  • @denerluizdasilva
    @denerluizdasilva Před 23 dny

    Very nice this presentation. Congratulations!!

  • @prafullaraichurkar4369
    @prafullaraichurkar4369 Před 4 lety +1

    This is a really well planned video.

  • @user-uh2kj6bd7o
    @user-uh2kj6bd7o Před rokem +1

    Thank you for this 😅 you have cleared my heuristic methods topic now i just want four principles of heuristic method...

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +4

    00:37
    For example, rather than spending time deciding what to wear every day, you might have some default outfits. Or when faced with a lunch menu with room many options, you may opt for what you've enjoyed in the past. 00:50

  • @robertkelly5025
    @robertkelly5025 Před 3 lety

    Well Done. Thank you. Although I may be using the anchoring bias to come to that conclusion.

  • @NafisaAthiya
    @NafisaAthiya Před 4 lety +27

    This is amazing. Thank u for making it easier for me to study cognitive psychology HAHA

  • @travestroy2093
    @travestroy2093 Před 4 lety +34

    read the book "Thinking Fast and Slow"

  • @ericgunderson6972
    @ericgunderson6972 Před 2 lety +2

    Ive been talking about this ever since I heard it back in 2014-2015 and I swear I felt like I was being gaslit when I would explain it to people.

  • @GertCuykens
    @GertCuykens Před 3 lety +1

    Helping the youtube search heuristics by saying this is indeed a very good explanation :D 5 stars

  • @andy_mac
    @andy_mac Před 7 měsíci

    Citing this for a Uni essay - thank you!

  • @anthonyscarborough3813

    Have to write a paper on heuristics for class, and I didn’t know what it is. Thanks, this saved me lol

  • @jamalashraf8569
    @jamalashraf8569 Před 2 lety

    Excellent Explanation.

  • @irfandyjip6944
    @irfandyjip6944 Před 3 lety

    Thank you! Very helpful!

  • @ddy9203
    @ddy9203 Před 3 lety +1

    This is so helpful - Thinking fast and slow.

    • @rh5831
      @rh5831 Před 3 lety

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  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +4

    1:39
    In fact, a slew of other heuristics can lead us to mistaken conclusions; and it doesn't matter how smart or well-educated you are. Anyone can place too much trust in the mental shortcuts they use to make sense of the world - take this example.

  • @emperorlelouch5696
    @emperorlelouch5696 Před rokem

    Much like intuition, heuristics is a shortcut to making a decision. Essentially, it's a more logical way of going from point A to point G, H, I, J, sometimes even all the way to Z.

  • @DilanthaPerera
    @DilanthaPerera Před 4 lety

    awesome!!! great video!

  • @ricardoveiga007
    @ricardoveiga007 Před 10 měsíci

    Excellent!

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +4

    00:03
    "Every day you make decisions and judgments. Sometimes you're able to think about them carefully, but other times you make them on the fly using little information. 00:18 this is where Heuristics come in. 00:18

  • @lemon274
    @lemon274 Před 5 lety +2

    What a fantastic video, thank you.

  • @nathalie_6217
    @nathalie_6217 Před 4 lety +1

    Love the video! Thanks :)

    • @rh5831
      @rh5831 Před 3 lety

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  • @chongkl820
    @chongkl820 Před 2 lety +6

    Clear explanation, much better than my dr explanation in my OB lesson.

  • @ommommo
    @ommommo Před 3 lety

    super easy to understand, i like

  • @jon6309
    @jon6309 Před rokem

    Heuristics are only helpful when there is huge uncertainty and frequency observations cannot be made to help make a decision but one is needed! The example you made about violence and war can actually be measured in numbers and frequency over the century to compare how violent the world is on average so in that case heuristic thinking can form biases and inaccurate results!

  • @anyaablock
    @anyaablock Před rokem

    The voice of Daniel Pink!

  • @dixieboy5689
    @dixieboy5689 Před 2 lety

    Thank you.

  • @govindrai93
    @govindrai93 Před 5 lety +35

    Great video. Still can’t explain heuristics to others in layman’s terms..

    • @UXSpecialist
      @UXSpecialist Před 5 lety +33

      How about: "Shortcuts to decision making based on our experience."
      Or more simply: "How people make decisions quickly without all the details."

    • @miguelmurill1
      @miguelmurill1 Před 4 lety +5

      Good point. The presenter doesn't know what he's talking about and actually is taking is subject-matter for granted. How do I know? Here's a test: If you can't replace the word "heuristics" with another simple word, you haven't understood the subject-matter or the presenter has done a bad job. Conclusion: the presenter has done a bad job.

    • @jacketnipple
      @jacketnipple Před 3 lety +1

      It's just instincts and intuition..the video presents a long overcomplicated explanation. (Heuristics is what an aristocratic smart a** would say lol)

    • @garygnunewzoorevue5748
      @garygnunewzoorevue5748 Před 3 lety +3

      @@miguelmurill1 he says that they are rules of thumb based on past experience.

    • @miguelmurill1
      @miguelmurill1 Před 3 lety

      @@garygnunewzoorevue5748 Ok. Rules of thumb to heuristics--as far as vocabulary goes--is a huge jump. Thanks to the academics.

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    2:39
    But in multiple studies, physicians routinely get this wrong, overestimating the likelihood that their patient actually has the disease. Psychologists call this the "Representativeness Heuristic". People assume People assume an individual case is more representative than it actually is. 2:53

  • @Ratty2480
    @Ratty2480 Před 4 lety +1

    Nice video. Curious though, at the end you talk about the "needing to be humble" in our approach with others and their views. However, I was wondering how you go about avoiding 'moral relativism' with an approach like that? What do you use to buttress against it?

    • @DoomOrb
      @DoomOrb Před 3 lety +1

      Your morals, for one. I'd like to emphasize that heuristics are about problem solving quickly, often with a lack of information, time, energy, etc. The section about staying humble was referring to how heuristics can be misleading, using stereotypes as am example.

  • @AvatarChaos
    @AvatarChaos Před 6 lety +3

    Arthur Schopenhauer did study dialeticity heuristic: how people argue to each other looking for won the speech but without get reasonable. In The Art of Always Being Right (book).

    • @clysen8234
      @clysen8234 Před 5 lety

      This is something that I, as a rational thinker, experience a lot. It's frustrating that you have to explain everything.

  • @anjilaprajapati5301
    @anjilaprajapati5301 Před 4 lety +1

    The voice in this video 😍

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    00:50
    Heuristics aren't about the perfect decisions or judgment, just about making one quickly. Heuristic play a role in our reasoning about the broader world too. As an example, consider the rate of violence in the world in the past century. Is the world more or less violent in the past 20 years than previously?

  • @cherry.682
    @cherry.682 Před 2 lety

    I have an exam today and I need review .

  • @hessaalrabah4577
    @hessaalrabah4577 Před 6 lety

    Great 👍🏻

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    01:24
    That's examples of violence that are so readily available, we just naturally assume the world is more violent today. But in fact, the world is more peaceful today than ever before in human history. 01:34

  • @user-xt3sb6wn1i
    @user-xt3sb6wn1i Před 4 lety +1

    What is the program name?

  • @MichaelMantion
    @MichaelMantion Před 5 lety +1

    @Learn Liberty SUPER AMAZING VIDEO
    Completely ruined by Background music
    Can you Please Please Please Please Please Please re-upload this, with out BG music so i can watch it. I only made it 2 minutes in and that noise was too much. PLEASE uplaod this with out music.

  • @melissabeasley1158
    @melissabeasley1158 Před 8 měsíci

    Surely you would need to look at more than cause of death statistics to determine violence in general. Violence does not assume death as the byproduct.

  • @oudarjyasensarma4199
    @oudarjyasensarma4199 Před 5 lety +3

    so according to what you said till 1:43 heuristics can be right or wrong?

  • @jackwraith3504
    @jackwraith3504 Před 2 lety +1

    Up till 17th of Aug, 2021, 132 individuals who disliked this video still considers Earth flat or squared.

  • @kap1pa
    @kap1pa Před 3 lety

    Great vid

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      @rh5831 Před 3 lety

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  • @tylerm8143
    @tylerm8143 Před 3 lety +2

    It's so weird how I got here. I watched 2001 a space odyssey and wanted to know why the A.I in the movie was called hal 9000. Turns out it's an acronym for Heuristically Programmed ALgorithmic Computer. I had no idea what heuristically meant so I googled it and ended up here.

    • @rh5831
      @rh5831 Před 3 lety

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  • @sanjutripathi5767
    @sanjutripathi5767 Před 3 lety

    Now i dont have to search for the meaning again and again,and can complete my book🤓

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    00:24
    Life would be exhausting if we had to deliberate over every one of the hundreds of choices we make every day. So instead we use our heuristics as shortcuts to make judgments about the world around us.

  • @apoptosine1598
    @apoptosine1598 Před 6 lety +16

    Seems more like cognitive dissonance, and understandable ignorance or just plain conditioning as a result of heuristic principle.

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +2

    2:25
    In fact, based on the prevalence of the disease and the test result, we can be 99% sure he doesn't have the disease. This is because the odds of getting of a positive result, 1 in 10, are much higher than the odds of actually having the disease, 1 in 1000. 2:39

    • @tombullish3198
      @tombullish3198 Před 3 měsíci

      This is so absolutely wrong, the doctor already did diagnosis. So at that point the actual chances of a statistical 1 in a 1000 prevalency would have already dropped significantly,. Saying you can be sure to say a patient doesn't have the disease because of a possible 10% false positive and putting it in relation to the prevalence statistic and the just dividing their difference is such a logical fallacy and ludicrous. It is evident that this youtuber does not understand medical diagnosis or prevalency. It is a disgrace honestly.

  • @aayushregmi4334
    @aayushregmi4334 Před 2 lety +1

    I am here after reading the book thinking fast and slow

  • @caesarmatty
    @caesarmatty Před 6 lety +36

    That example with the false positive medical test is not accurate at all. If a doctor was randomly testing people regardless of symptoms, perhaps it would make sense. But if you have a medical problem sever enough to go get a test, and the doctor is concerned enough to order that test, and the result comes back positive, you'd better not be 99% sure that the test is wrong. What kind of advice is that?

    • @NoName-cp4ct
      @NoName-cp4ct Před 6 lety

      Unreliable one, but in some cases relevant.

    • @Ryan-ts3py
      @Ryan-ts3py Před 6 lety +2

      The minimum probability that you don't have the disease is 10%, but we can safely assume that the actual odds against you having the disease are higher still. If we assume that it's closer to 20%, that's a far cry from 99%, but still a one in five chance you're totally fine. The appropriate course of action here is to do another test (or two), to reduce the odds of being treated for a disease you don't have.

    • @MaxvergaxS
      @MaxvergaxS Před 6 lety +6

      It's Bayesian theorem in action, look it up

    • @bejoysen4468
      @bejoysen4468 Před 6 lety +3

      It is good advice. You wouldn't want to go through a mastectomy only to realize you never had breast cancer. Be aware of the false positive rate and choose a treatment accordingly.

    • @ericbakuladavis
      @ericbakuladavis Před 6 lety

      I agree the video's example would make sense only if the 10% false positive rate were based on testing random people. As you said, if it were based on people tested for medical reasons, I expect the false positive rate would go down.

  • @angelollerena6582
    @angelollerena6582 Před 4 měsíci

    I feel like crying when I learn something positive

  • @yudaandreas9957
    @yudaandreas9957 Před 3 lety

    Same here ☝

  • @EddieOdyssey
    @EddieOdyssey Před 25 dny

    Essentially it’s like putting a shovel in your brain and dig out what ever that’s familiar to you.

  • @stephbreakstech
    @stephbreakstech Před 11 měsíci

    yes

  • @laurenbb9614
    @laurenbb9614 Před rokem

    How could you demonstrate a representativeness heuristic?

  • @peterstrous7075
    @peterstrous7075 Před 3 lety

    short cuts can cut short the outcome.

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    Our political views can especially suffer from an over-reliance on heuristics. ...

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +2

    2:03
    Let's say a person tests positive for a rare disease, one that only one-in-a-thousand people have. What is the likelihood that he has the disease? Most of us would say that the likelihood is very high based on the test results alone. But what if the result was inaccurate 10% of the time. The false positive rate is 10% - a common number in medical tests. Then it is highly unlikely our patient has the disease. 2:25

    • @peterstrous7075
      @peterstrous7075 Před 3 lety

      this doesn't make sense to me. If the false positive rate is 10% and a person tests positive, the likelihood of having the disease would be 90% not? If the video would be correct here there would be no point doing such a test since a negative result is likely correct and a positive result (according to the video) is likely incorrect. That would mean that the result is negative regardless of the outcome of the test. Hence why do the test if that were correct?

  • @vinayseth1114
    @vinayseth1114 Před 4 lety +4

    So how is heuristics different from intuition?

    • @rabimcat6859
      @rabimcat6859 Před 2 lety

      I think that intuition is more of using alot of information at once really fast, and heuristics is more like (experiences) that are coded into our brains which we use without thinking. For example, let's say that women have really good intuition in general and they can tell if a man is cheating on them because they can see how they act differently, notice few details, and may have an intuition that they cheating. Heuristics, on the other hand, may be shown when a woman has a friend group where they found out ( or think) that all their boyfriends are cheating on them, so the girl starts to assume that her boyfriend is cheating on her too.

  • @plstrom
    @plstrom Před 4 lety +5

    who the hell would think that the world is more violent now than ever ?! LOL

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    01:09
    Heuristic reasoning might lead us to think that the world is more violent today than it has been in the past. Every day we're confronted with images of tragedy in the news and on social media. We might reasonably assume that the world is more violent today than ever before, using what's called an "availability heuristic". 01:24

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      @rh5831 Před 3 lety

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  • @eeyoreofborg
    @eeyoreofborg Před 3 lety

    This seemed to be about the pitfalls of heuristics of psychology, but not what a heuristic is.

  • @fet1612
    @fet1612 Před 3 lety +1

    1:34
    We may hear a lot of violent events but in terms of raw numbers, fewer people die today in the hands of other human beings than ever before. So that heuristic about how violent the world today is, is incorrect. 1:39

  • @vh1529
    @vh1529 Před 3 lety +4

    "It's important to be humble about our views."
    "We have to listen to opinions we may initially consider wrong or even offensive."
    You sir are cancelled!

    • @rabimcat6859
      @rabimcat6859 Před 2 lety

      Flat earther confirmed

    • @rabimcat6859
      @rabimcat6859 Před 2 lety

      jkjkjk, this video is about cognitive development (on here because i'm studying). Please don't make it more than it is. I think his example was really good in explaining availability heuristics (I think in this case is due to group polarization). He's saying that you shouldn't just go based off of what you or others think, do some research with an open mind and find out for yourself!! oh and by the way! Don't fall into a conformation bias :)

    • @rabimcat6859
      @rabimcat6859 Před 2 lety

      @Learn Liberty. Please correct me if i'm wrong but what type of heuristic is it? availability or representativeness?

  • @rishi6235
    @rishi6235 Před 3 lety

    Is Heuristics something similar to making impulsive decisions bruh?

  • @yuzu7757
    @yuzu7757 Před 3 lety +2

    well...quite interesting to look at this in 2020 😂

  • @ayammusic7719
    @ayammusic7719 Před 4 lety +1

    So what are heuristic

  • @ivancarlson953
    @ivancarlson953 Před 4 lety +4

    I made a quick decision to substitute the word "heuristics" with "biases".

    • @natemills9030
      @natemills9030 Před 3 lety +1

      Look into the difference, it's interesting

    • @peterstrous7075
      @peterstrous7075 Před 3 lety

      @@natemills9030 I'm a bit intrigued about your comment. I see our biases come from our heuristics as heuristics are quick decisions avoiding having to gather all evidence from all possibly different perspectives before making our decisions. In other words, our biases are embedded into our heuristics. Is this the way you see it or how else do you see the difference between "heuristics" and "biases"?

  • @asloii_1749
    @asloii_1749 Před 2 lety +1

    Bro im hear bc i keep misspelling “hru”

  • @Bangy
    @Bangy Před 6 lety +1

    This channel will beat prageru.

  • @davidlawson4281
    @davidlawson4281 Před 2 měsíci

    But…there are more people today, so the percentages are skewed. By how much, hard to say.

  • @coltonturner3894
    @coltonturner3894 Před 4 lety +1

    Well we were also in world wars in the past sooo what if those were gone, violence would probably have increased.

  • @mattclarke7587
    @mattclarke7587 Před 5 měsíci

    If 1:1000 people chosen at random have that disease, but he was tested for it because he's symptomatic (not chosen at random, but self selected), then the odds he actually has the disease are much higher.

  • @rct999
    @rct999 Před 6 lety

    Rodney McKay, is that you?

  • @bananabread162
    @bananabread162 Před rokem

    Psychology teacher sent me here

  • @tarodatesoup
    @tarodatesoup Před 2 lety +1

    "but in fact the world is more peaceful today then ever before" while showing a graph representing...just europe

  • @OptimusPrimate_
    @OptimusPrimate_ Před 5 lety

    I was sent here by jorbs

  • @mmgbtv
    @mmgbtv Před 4 lety

    Thanks for explaining this to my GF better than I did.

  • @painbow6528
    @painbow6528 Před 4 lety +2

    So heuristics is just an academic word meaning... 'common sense assumptions that might occasionally be wrong.'
    Thank God for academia.

    • @lilChillDiddlerMane
      @lilChillDiddlerMane Před 4 lety +1

      "common sense" itself is a heuristic, strategy devised based off previous experience that we use to make quick decisions. Its not about whether its wrong or not, actually its not about being "right" or "wrong" its simply any method we use to make a quick decision. For example, always pick C in a multiple choice question, would be a heuristic

  • @username4315
    @username4315 Před 5 lety +2

    30 flat earthers disliked this video

  • @joshreji7510
    @joshreji7510 Před 5 lety +1

    These things need to taught in school .

  • @SamikshaGarg-nn9zt
    @SamikshaGarg-nn9zt Před rokem

    my man really took a jab at flat earthers

  • @utsawin09
    @utsawin09 Před 3 lety

    0.9991% to be specific

  • @jacketnipple
    @jacketnipple Před 3 lety +3

    The Earth is square! Lol

  • @shivanshmahawar5875
    @shivanshmahawar5875 Před 3 lety +1

    it sometimes sound same as schema

  • @mattmurdoch4345
    @mattmurdoch4345 Před 3 lety +3

    It was all going so well until the doctor section 🙈

    • @IVespidI
      @IVespidI Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah, I'm really trying to figure out how the conclusion posited here makes sense statistically.
      Based on my understanding of statistics, 10% false positive means that of the subset of positive test results, 10% aren't really positive and 90% are actually positive. The 1 in 1000 stat is irrelevant because he's already in the subset of people who have been tested positive. He has a 90% probability of being positive.
      I can't think of any way to add multiply or divide 10%, 90% and 0.1% (1 in 1000) to get 99%.

    • @jathebest2835
      @jathebest2835 Před 3 lety

      @@IVespidI I agree with you..maybe he should've explained how the deduction was calculated like that..

    • @IVespidI
      @IVespidI Před 3 lety

      @@jathebest2835 it's hard these days to not assume foul intentintions when I see something so clearly wrong. but I think maybe in this case the guy just honestly made a mistake. Good video otherwise!

    • @gsczo
      @gsczo Před 3 lety

      @@IVespidI Search for bayes theorem

    • @IVespidI
      @IVespidI Před 3 lety

      @@gsczo thanks for the tip.

  • @CausticCreations
    @CausticCreations Před 3 lety +4

    you doodes pretty missed almost everything kool about Heuristics and got then got it confused with statistics.....good effort, bad information.

  • @saulbadman744
    @saulbadman744 Před 3 lety

    Wait a minute... this isn't family guy funny moments #46

  • @abdulbasit0123
    @abdulbasit0123 Před 7 dny

    the "violence" example aged like milk

  • @n15hch4l
    @n15hch4l Před 5 lety

    45 indeed