I don’t know why people obsess over the weight of a bike. I’ll be going out on a 200 plus km 5,000 meter climbing day for the summer solstice on a steel bike today. If you’re that kind of rider then you should be riding a rim brake bike. They claim 800 something grams for the frame weight which is fine. This bike is “heavy” because of the disc brake format, build kit, 30 mm tires and so on. This is easily a sub 6.8 to 7.2 kg in rim brake - and a MUCH smoother ride! I know I sell Basso. You buy this bike because it’s beautiful to look, it’s responsive, it’s made in Italy 🇮🇹 and inspires you to just ride bikes!
@@paulhowell7103 Question: I like precision. Exactly when is the summer solstice in 2021? Answer: Sorry to complicate things for you, but the date you celebrate this year depends which side of the planet you live on. It will happen precisely at 03:32 UTC (Universal Coordinated Time) on Monday, June 21. Your time zone in relation to UTC determines the date the solstice happens for you. Here's how 03:32 UTC lines up with local time in select places around the world: The long day of summer solstice provides plenty of light to explore around Istanbul, including the grounds of the Hagia Sophia. Turkey's largest city will have about 15 hours and eight minutes of daytime. -- Tokyo: 12:32 p.m. Monday -- Bangkok, Thailand: 10:32 a.m. Monday -- Kolkata, India: 9:02 a.m. Monday -- Dubai: 7:32 a.m. Monday -- Istanbul: 6:32 a.m. Monday -- Krakow, Poland: 5:32 a.m. Monday -- Lisbon, Portugal: 4:32 a.m. Monday -- Dakar, Senegal: 3:32 a.m. Monday -- Rio de Janeiro: 12:32 a.m. Monday -- Philadelphia: 11:32 p.m. Sunday -- Mexico City: 10:32 p.m. Sunday -- Calgary, Canada: 9:32 p.m. Sunday -- San Francisco: 8:32 p.m. Sunday -- Honolulu: 5:32 p.m. Sunday
To David: What a gorgeous bike, thanks for the review; I already booked one Basso Diamanté disc (Opal white) to my wife. I hope she’ll enjoy her every ride.
I owned a 2019 Diamante (frame is still the same) until a crash has separated us about a year ago. While writing this comment I get emotional, cause this bike was an absolute stunner. Fast, stiff, responsive and an eye-catcher. For the 2022 Season i was looking for a new bike. I looked for other brands and bikes etc. But nothing came close to the beauty of the Diamante. It is an absolut classic bike. Regarding your questions. The cut out at the steerer tube is a critical point and limits the use of third party stems. By using the original Basso stem, the handle bar hits the top tube first - so no contact wir the edge of the steerer tube - the Deda Stem is a bad choice for this frame. The weight of the bike was ok. I got an Ultegra Di2 build and it was just about 7.3 kg (without pedals). I guess the Chorus group is more on the heavy side ;). About the ride quality and feel. Well this bike is demanding. When you feel that you're slow, you are! In the beginning I had exactly the same thoughts - the head unit says I am fast but it does not feel like fast. And I believe, that at the end of a ride/race the bike looked at me in a reproachful way telling me "It's not my fault that you're slow keep on pushing!" 😁. Luckily that has changed.
Could you let me know that what Basso says is a zero degree stem is measured against the floor (i.e. parallel)? Thanks. Their options are either 0 or -11 degrees.
@@CZcamsfana it is not measured against the ground, it is according to the steering tube angle. -11 degrees is nearly parallel to the ground whereas the 0 degree stem points the bar to the sky :-). If you want the aggressive look, take the -11 degree stem (pretty much standard). The 0 degree stem gives you a more upright and comfortable position.
@@80robs92 thanks that’s what I believed so as well till I saw the CYCLIST and CYCLING WEEKLY review where the stem is parallel to the ground but in the specs they say it’s a zero degree. That confused me no end! I am glad it is as is standard. Thanks a lot.
ANOTHER GOOD ONE David. Basso has always been unique, great paint, winning innovations. The Brothers really raised their brand quickly, back in the day.
TECH NOTE: HEAT: the racers treat......... but ya, as soon as you hit 24C:75F , tire micro compounds compromise considerably, creating density resistance, more so on 28s and 30 ml. To counter that either pressure up 20%, or better yet size down to something 23,24 if speed is your drug of choice . ALSO , note your tire casings stretch more rapidly in heat, leaving the tires feel sort of dead, so use fresh tires for any events you care about. YOU may still have tread, but your tires are dead, Amiga / Amigo!
Just as a BMW manufactured in South Carolina is not a real BMW, a Pinarello built in Taiwan as not a true Italian bike. That’s why I got a Basso; a true Italian bike.
Try telling that to all of the skilled BMW or Pinarello employees working outside of the home country! Your second statement is valid, as something built in Taiwan is not "Italian," but a BMW built anywhere is still a BMW, just not a German car.
I bought a new Astra in 2010 and it has performed faultlessly ever since clocking up thousands of miles. I could not get used to the carbon bars and changed them at an early stage, but no biggie. Super, and made in Italy, not just painted there.
This frame is actually 780g, (without fork) so, its very light by any standards just change wheels and other bits to lighter option. Most of frame sets weight is below 1000g nowadays, so its the question of money spending on components. Giant TCR frame weight is 856g (without fork).
I had a Basso Loto in the 80s. Very spritely. Hopefully, you'll do the Olmo Gepin 4.0 soon. Still looking for a review on that bike. That Basso is a young man's bike.
I also love Italian bikes (C64 and old De Rosa owner) but, I agree, this doesn't get my juices flowing either. The detailing around the stem just looks clumsy. It looks a lot better on the Basso website where they've used a bunch of spacers to raise the stem (Basso branded) above the top tube but then what's the point of that cut-out anyway?
lovely paint finish, lovely drivetrain but not keen on the headset area which appears as though some 6th formers hacksawed out some of it to get a bit lower and then they remembered to fit the cabling, rushed it and made a hash. But if they failed to sell any cos of the messy headset area and did it half price...then I'd get one ;-0
David - Is that a zero degree or -11 degree stem? Context: Other reviewers mention zero degree but it looks parallel to the ground which is usually achieved by a -11 degree stem. I am confused how Basso measures zero degrees. Against the ground or vis a vis the head tube. Thanks.
Hello, thanks for your informative video. A super nice bike that I really like. I am also an Italo fan myself and drive a Pinarello F12. 😉 Why didn't BASSO solve the problem of cables more professionally? It's a shame that's the only negative point for me ... otherwise really great.
Thank you David... I'm very curious for this bike... I know its very well built and high quality, but having been spoilt for years on a very fast Spirit steel race geometry bike of a reasonable weight... i'm curious to this over my current steed especially the Chorus hydro spec ? I like what you describe of the lack of feeling of speed but it's fast... that i get 100%
Why are you not testing their latest model of the Diamanté? Secondly why the Deda set up and not the one piece carbon Basso Bars? It is easy to get that bike into the low 7kg range. My SV disc is 7.6kg.
Battaglin too, custom hand built. If I am spending top dollar on an Italian frame, irrespective of the build material, then I want to rest assured it was made in Italy and not in bat soup land. Not mad about that cutout on the headtube but otherwise a nice bike.
Haha, I did the same in the week: moaned about sweating my n#ts off!, then thought of all those freezing/wet winter rides and shut up....................... I recognize most of the local roads you ride (typical Glos cc pothole infested) but have never found that lovely new tarmac back lane you film in on my travels, where is it? I fancy a treat..........
Hi, super video as always ! I noticed that Basso's bikes have different length of thru axle (125x12 and 165x12 instead of 100x12 and 142x12). Is it a problem for wheels compatibility ?
No. There are several a bit different lengths and threads for thru axles depending on the bike/fork (meaning you cant always change the axle between different bikes) but the width where the hub sits is always the same 100mm front and 142mm rear to allow for wheel and brake compatibility. thats not different for basso. you can throw in any 100x12 and 142x12mm wheels you want to :)
My LBS-owner once told me the story of a friend of his who broke three consecutive carbon Basso frames. Every time in the same place, chain stay close to the BB. Upgraded through their range with every new bike. Made me wary to ever buy a carbon bike from any brand, however sexy they may look or light they may be.
@@brunocyclist Yeah we have the fortune of having luescher teknik on CZcams. He's a carbon specialist engineer and scans/repairs/ designs bikes. He is probably the best in the industry. To summarise the best quality frames in the market: Giant, Time and Trek.
Sooo, you are basically paying for the name and fact it was made in Italy? Seems to be a better idea to buy an Italian assembled bike instead which outperforms it. Also Prologo is only pretending to be Italian, it’s owned by Velo saddles who also make almost everyone else’s saddles in Taiwan
Think I’d struggle to ride around with the name of an (alleged) “attempted” doper emblazoned on my downtube. I’m sure everyone was doing it, and we should forgive if they repent, but it’d just niggle too much.
@@davidarthur ha! Thanks David for the reply. It was just the name association, even though unconnected, sorry I wasn’t clear. I realise I’m a little extreme on this bugbear, I actually have the same problem with VWs.
Bianchi, Pinarello, Colnago (except the C or Masters series) they are overpriced like all the other China bikes from Specialized, Treck etc. But Basso with the same specs, it is even cheaper than these. And you get a real Italian handmade bike frame from Italy and not China.
I don’t know why people obsess over the weight of a bike. I’ll be going out on a 200 plus km 5,000 meter climbing day for the summer solstice on a steel bike today. If you’re that kind of rider then you should be riding a rim brake bike. They claim 800 something grams for the frame weight which is fine. This bike is “heavy” because of the disc brake format, build kit, 30 mm tires and so on. This is easily a sub 6.8 to 7.2 kg in rim brake - and a MUCH smoother ride! I know I sell Basso. You buy this bike because it’s beautiful to look, it’s responsive, it’s made in Italy 🇮🇹 and inspires you to just ride bikes!
summer solstice is tomorrow the 21st longest day of the year
@@paulhowell7103 summer solstice is today June 20th 2021 here in the US and even if it was the 21st that would be Monday and I am working Monday.
@@paulhowell7103 Question: I like precision. Exactly when is the summer solstice in 2021?
Answer: Sorry to complicate things for you, but the date you celebrate this year depends which side of the planet you live on.
It will happen precisely at 03:32 UTC (Universal Coordinated Time) on Monday, June 21. Your time zone in relation to UTC determines the date the solstice happens for you. Here's how 03:32 UTC lines up with local time in select places around the world: The long day of summer solstice provides plenty of light to explore around Istanbul, including the grounds of the Hagia Sophia. Turkey's largest city will have about 15 hours and eight minutes of daytime.
-- Tokyo: 12:32 p.m. Monday -- Bangkok, Thailand: 10:32 a.m. Monday -- Kolkata, India: 9:02 a.m. Monday -- Dubai: 7:32 a.m. Monday -- Istanbul: 6:32 a.m. Monday -- Krakow, Poland: 5:32 a.m. Monday -- Lisbon, Portugal: 4:32 a.m. Monday -- Dakar, Senegal: 3:32 a.m. Monday -- Rio de Janeiro: 12:32 a.m. Monday -- Philadelphia: 11:32 p.m. Sunday -- Mexico City: 10:32 p.m. Sunday -- Calgary, Canada: 9:32 p.m. Sunday -- San Francisco: 8:32 p.m. Sunday -- Honolulu: 5:32 p.m. Sunday
Yeah but you can buy 6.8 to mid 7kgs disc bikes for similar money. Look at the Aurum for example
@@glennoc8585 I am curious about the Aurum
Definitely one one of the sexiest road bikes you've reviewed! And that's saying something!
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Really appreciate the pros and cons feedback. Im fed up with cloyingly positive reviews of everything out there. 👍
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Totally agree. This is a proper review.
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Totally agree
To David: What a gorgeous bike, thanks for the review; I already booked one Basso Diamanté disc (Opal white) to my wife. I hope she’ll enjoy her every ride.
I owned a 2019 Diamante (frame is still the same) until a crash has separated us about a year ago. While writing this comment I get emotional, cause this bike was an absolute stunner. Fast, stiff, responsive and an eye-catcher.
For the 2022 Season i was looking for a new bike. I looked for other brands and bikes etc. But nothing came close to the beauty of the Diamante. It is an absolut classic bike.
Regarding your questions. The cut out at the steerer tube is a critical point and limits the use of third party stems. By using the original Basso stem, the handle bar hits the top tube first - so no contact wir the edge of the steerer tube - the Deda Stem is a bad choice for this frame.
The weight of the bike was ok. I got an Ultegra Di2 build and it was just about 7.3 kg (without pedals). I guess the Chorus group is more on the heavy side ;).
About the ride quality and feel. Well this bike is demanding. When you feel that you're slow, you are! In the beginning I had exactly the same thoughts - the head unit says I am fast but it does not feel like fast. And I believe, that at the end of a ride/race the bike looked at me in a reproachful way telling me "It's not my fault that you're slow keep on pushing!" 😁. Luckily that has changed.
Could you let me know that what Basso says is a zero degree stem is measured against the floor (i.e. parallel)? Thanks. Their options are either 0 or -11 degrees.
@@CZcamsfana it is not measured against the ground, it is according to the steering tube angle. -11 degrees is nearly parallel to the ground whereas the 0 degree stem points the bar to the sky :-). If you want the aggressive look, take the -11 degree stem (pretty much standard). The 0 degree stem gives you a more upright and comfortable position.
@@80robs92 thanks that’s what I believed so as well till I saw the CYCLIST and CYCLING WEEKLY review where the stem is parallel to the ground but in the specs they say it’s a zero degree. That confused me no end! I am glad it is as is standard. Thanks a lot.
Also could you let me know what is your height and what size you bought? I seem to be in between sizes but thinking of going with the smaller one.
@@CZcamsfana I'm 185 cm and bought size 56. If you're unsure about the size measure your inseam. This usually helps to figure out the right size.
I like how it shows less seatpost. I wouldn't mind if some manufacturers went back to a near horizontal top tube.
Looking forward to the campy review 👍
ANOTHER GOOD ONE David. Basso has always been unique, great paint, winning innovations. The Brothers really raised their brand quickly, back in the day.
TECH NOTE:
HEAT: the racers treat......... but ya, as soon as you hit 24C:75F , tire micro compounds compromise considerably, creating density resistance, more so on 28s and 30 ml. To counter that either pressure up 20%, or better yet size down to something 23,24 if speed is your drug of choice . ALSO , note your tire casings stretch more rapidly in heat, leaving the tires feel sort of dead, so use fresh tires for any events you care about. YOU may still have tread, but your tires are dead, Amiga / Amigo!
Liked the clip before I watch it. For sure another brilliant upload.
Just as a BMW manufactured in South Carolina is not a real BMW, a Pinarello built in Taiwan as not a true Italian bike. That’s why I got a Basso; a true Italian bike.
Try telling that to all of the skilled BMW or Pinarello employees working outside of the home country! Your second statement is valid, as something built in Taiwan is not "Italian," but a BMW built anywhere is still a BMW, just not a German car.
I love the slammed look on bikes
I bought a new Astra in 2010 and it has performed faultlessly ever since clocking up thousands of miles. I could not get used to the carbon bars and changed them at an early stage, but no biggie. Super, and made in Italy, not just painted there.
Lovely frames and being made in Italy is a welcome rarity.
This frame is actually 780g, (without fork) so, its very light by any standards just change wheels and other bits to lighter option. Most of frame sets weight is below 1000g nowadays, so its the question of money spending on components. Giant TCR frame weight is 856g (without fork).
I’m not sure if the Italian groupset Campagnolo Chorus is heavier than a similar tier Shimano or SRAM groupset.
@@iMadrid11 it used to be lighter than Shimano Ultegra, but now that they changed the gear shifter to non carbon now, not really sure
I had a Basso Loto in the 80s. Very spritely. Hopefully, you'll do the Olmo Gepin 4.0 soon. Still looking for a review on that bike. That Basso is a young man's bike.
Real 100% Italian bike!!!!!
Could you test the new model Astra from Basso?
I’d like to see more British bikes and kit
What a beauty...
Love Italian bikes (F10/C64 owner).. this one doesn’t do it for some reason 🤔. Think it might be the Stem.. looks odd. Defo not a slammer 😂
The stem looks awful I agree. Flat and level is fine for most people spending this kind of money on a bike.
I also love Italian bikes (C64 and old De Rosa owner) but, I agree, this doesn't get my juices flowing either. The detailing around the stem just looks clumsy. It looks a lot better on the Basso website where they've used a bunch of spacers to raise the stem (Basso branded) above the top tube but then what's the point of that cut-out anyway?
It's not the OEM stem btw. Basso OEM stem is one of the prettiest in the cycling market
Good insight! So any idea where all this extra weight is hidden? It's essentially high-end components all around...
Chorus is 450g heavier than more expensive campagnolo.
You have to review Reap ASAP.
I’ll see what I can do
No valve caps. Is that the cool thing to do nowadays?
lovely paint finish, lovely drivetrain but not keen on the headset area which appears as though some 6th formers hacksawed out some of it to get a bit lower and then they remembered to fit the cabling, rushed it and made a hash. But if they failed to sell any cos of the messy headset area and did it half price...then I'd get one ;-0
It's not the OEM headset. Basso OEM stem is one of the most elegant in the cycling world
Salute David beautiful Bike 🙏👍🔥🇵🇷💯
David - Is that a zero degree or -11 degree stem? Context: Other reviewers mention zero degree but it looks parallel to the ground which is usually achieved by a -11 degree stem. I am confused how Basso measures zero degrees. Against the ground or vis a vis the head tube. Thanks.
Hello, thanks for your informative video. A super nice bike that I really like. I am also an Italo fan myself and drive a Pinarello F12. 😉 Why didn't BASSO solve the problem of cables more professionally? It's a shame that's the only negative point for me ... otherwise really great.
Aren't those the Deda Vinci bar/stem combo? I believe those allow for full internal routing depending on the frame
You have to review Focus Izalco Max disc 9 series
Lovely bi.. argh the stem, sorry its not the Best Italien for that reason together with paint job
Thank you David... I'm very curious for this bike... I know its very well built and high quality, but having been spoilt for years on a very fast Spirit steel race geometry bike of a reasonable weight... i'm curious to this over my current steed especially the Chorus hydro spec ? I like what you describe of the lack of feeling of speed but it's fast... that i get 100%
any particular reason for reviewing the disc brake version of this bike instead of the rim brake one?
That’s what they had available to send me for review
It would be interesting to do an AB comparison with both , although I’d be more interested in the rim version
@@e3dave744 well it would seem (at least some) manufacturers only send disc brake versions of their bikes for review.
I use negative angle stem but not slammed.
How do the holes on the orion helmet work with sunglasses? Thanks
*puts an actual bee 🐝 in the b-roll*
Nice, I see what you did there 😉
Glad somebody noticed :)
Hi David,
Looking at the Basso Diamante SV and Wilier Filante…. Wondering which you would suggest.
Thank you
I would have a tough time looking past the Filante SLR...
@@davidarthur thank you!
@@juanplasencia4587 the Sv! It’s far better made ! And better supported with its after sale …
great bike
Loved the V3rs vid. Got the frozen blue one coming in a couple weeks. You should test the Aurum Magma btw✌
Love the frozen paint job! I've asked about an Aurum Magma but might be a well before there's one in the UK I can ride
@@davidarthur you should contact the Gorilla Firm, they have Aurum, Basso, Colnago. Got some of the best bikes 👌
Thanks I'll check them out and drop them a line :)
That’s a sweet brain bucket? Where can I get one?
It sure is, it's the latest HJC Furion, you can get it here bit.ly/3zGFHNZ
Surely a sexy bike, but I am not sure about that lengthy gearing cable protruding in the back of the bike.
Why are you not testing their latest model of the Diamanté? Secondly why the Deda set up and not the one piece carbon Basso Bars? It is easy to get that bike into the low 7kg range. My SV disc is 7.6kg.
This is the latest Model of the Diamante. The Diamante SV is a complete different bike and price range.
Battaglin too, custom hand built. If I am spending top dollar on an Italian frame, irrespective of the build material, then I want to rest assured it was made in Italy and not in bat soup land. Not mad about that cutout on the headtube but otherwise a nice bike.
Haha, I did the same in the week: moaned about sweating my n#ts off!, then thought of all those freezing/wet winter rides and shut up.......................
I recognize most of the local roads you ride (typical Glos cc pothole infested) but have never found that lovely new tarmac back lane you film in on my travels, where is it?
I fancy a treat..........
De gustibus non est disputandum and all that, but for the handlebars it should be all about how they feel, not how they look.
Effective
What size is that frame?
Will you be reviewing Factor Ostro?
Great review. I really don't like the cockpit. It's neither one thing or another. That edge looks unfinished.
Metti uno stem basso e la bici sarà ancora più bella 😉
I not would but disk and would like 25 tyres then it weight 7,5
Slammed stem (only if the fit allows)>
Hi, super video as always ! I noticed that Basso's bikes have different length of thru axle (125x12 and 165x12 instead of 100x12 and 142x12). Is it a problem for wheels compatibility ?
No. There are several a bit different lengths and threads for thru axles depending on the bike/fork (meaning you cant always change the axle between different bikes) but the width where the hub sits is always the same 100mm front and 142mm rear to allow for wheel and brake compatibility. thats not different for basso. you can throw in any 100x12 and 142x12mm wheels you want to :)
That head tube is a bit strange….
There's no way to know the quality of a frame without cutting it open. Pinarello frames are crap, which saddens me as an Italian. Colnago are worse.
My LBS-owner once told me the story of a friend of his who broke three consecutive carbon Basso frames.
Every time in the same place, chain stay close to the BB.
Upgraded through their range with every new bike.
Made me wary to ever buy a carbon bike from any brand, however sexy they may look or light they may be.
@@brunocyclist
Yeah we have the fortune of having luescher teknik on CZcams. He's a carbon specialist engineer and scans/repairs/ designs bikes. He is probably the best in the industry. To summarise the best quality frames in the market: Giant, Time and Trek.
@@TheMASDrummer Giant & Trek come as no surprise. Intuitively would have expected Canyon instead of Time though.
Gorgeous bike.
However.....It’s let down by the stem. It seems out if place.
Surprised it’s not an aero one piece.
Normally there's a Basso stem that works and looks better...
cabling looks a mess! who built that?
It's very nice - but it's still not worth the money; I'd sell it and buy two bikes which are more suitable for gravel, pothole strewn UK roads....
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Sooo, you are basically paying for the name and fact it was made in Italy?
Seems to be a better idea to buy an Italian assembled bike instead which outperforms it.
Also Prologo is only pretending to be Italian, it’s owned by Velo saddles who also make almost everyone else’s saddles in Taiwan
Ask any Diamante owner they'll tell you it's a rocket ship. Also coming from a smaller production it follows very high quality standards.
not even close
6,600 pound this world and society deserve to be wipeout
Think I’d struggle to ride around with the name of an (alleged) “attempted” doper emblazoned on my downtube. I’m sure everyone was doing it, and we should forgive if they repent, but it’d just niggle too much.
Think you're getting your Bassos mixed up ;)
@@davidarthur ha! Thanks David for the reply. It was just the name association, even though unconnected, sorry I wasn’t clear. I realise I’m a little extreme on this bugbear, I actually have the same problem with VWs.
I slam
Good review of yet another lacklustre, over-priced Italian bike
Bianchi, Pinarello, Colnago (except the C or Masters series) they are overpriced like all the other China bikes from Specialized, Treck etc. But Basso with the same specs, it is even cheaper than these. And you get a real Italian handmade bike frame from Italy and not China.
Second.
Too bad it has disc brakes