United Airlines CEO: Boeing's 737 Max-9 grounding is 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for us
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- CNBC’s Phil LeBeau and United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby join 'Squawk Box' to discuss the airline's quarterly earnings results, Q1 guidance, 2024 outlook, Boeing's manufacturing challenges, and more.
There is no downside to being a bad CEO at Boeing and getting fired. The last guy fired over the Max disaster walked away with $60 million package.
It's always the employees, customers, and shareholders that lose out when management and boards make terrible decisions. The audacity of CxOs getting large severance packed for being terrible at their jobs is frankly anti-capitalist.
Thanks to Nikki Haley on Boeing’s Board of Directors approving the golden parachute. Sadly, 300+ passengers and 2 sets of crew had no parachutes whatsoever and paid for the CEO’s golden parachute with their lives.
It's almost like the large severance packages are given to buy "discretion".
They always say they have to pay exiting CEOs because they have a contract. But when they have a contract with the employees they wont honor it.
@@damham5689 claw back provisions need to be more inclusive and the definition of "for cause" needs to encompass some level of mismanagement. Delaware general corporation law is too lenient towards management and boards.
Finally, a CEO of a major airline is saying publicly what everyone else has been saying all this time: "the merger with McDonnell Douglas caused a change in culture".
Boeing should change its name back to McDonnell Douglas
We all know this
condit sold the soul of boeing
Exactly even the logo is from Mcdonnell Douglas..
And the fact that there is a lot more going on besides the fuselage door plug, there’s also the rudder PCU input rod bolts that don’t have backup cotter keys and are coming loose.
“When one door closes, another inexplicably opens”-Boeing
The federal government has allowed Boeing to do its own safety and compliance inspections. This is the result.
Absolutely!
I’d say let a privatized FAA do it
@@oofballz4328oh he'll no the faa is as much at fault as boeing in this Episode and in episodes of past!
Instead they should have had sleepy know-nothing government employees doing the inspections.
Joe Biden's first diversity nomination to head the FAA was an airport manager. His number one job was renting out airport space to fast food companies. Before getting the job as an airport manager, he ran a city bus line. This is typical of the high-tech aviation people working at the FAA.
The Boeing McDonnell Douglas merger should never have happened
things happen when you have "friends" in Congress and the Pentagon...the ususal suspects
Exactly
come on. The DC10 was a masterpiece with no casualties ever.
@@Rydh37xj3kwos wtf dude check the facts there are total of 29 crashes registered under the model dc-10, even fedex reduced its use changing it with Boeing 777.
@@yashrajsonawane4442sarcasm bro
He’s in a difficult position. He can’t undermine his most critical partner yet he doesn’t have the wherewithal to get them to get their act together. His wiggle room is extremely limited. I would imagine South West is in a worse position.
Southwest has zero max 9's. But... who's to say which next boeing aircraft develops the next problem?
They could also go to Airbus for more A320 neo family aircraft but that would probably take a lot longer to fulfill.
He is in a very difficult position just because of himself. In June 2021, he approved an order of 200 additional MAX and just 70 A321Neo. I am sure someone in the board then asked him "Why are we ordering so many MAX, but so little A321 when MAX has such a bad reputation?" He must have defended Boeing and his job is in danger now.
@hakanevin8545 The Max was most likely a better deal at a huge discount because Boeing needed to convince airlines that it was safe and airlines took advantage of the crisis, which translated to negotiation power. A320 Neo family probably did not come with such huge discounts due to high demand. Also, we must not forget that United owns many 737 NGs and commonality with the Max was very important for less training, if any, in this case, to save money. The airlines are also responsible for what became the Max debacle after Airbus introduced the Neo. They went to Boeing and made demands that they wanted commonality and training to be at the barest minimum.
r74 Who knows what other panels, parts, etc are not bolted down properly. When will an engine fall off, a tail fly off, a flap or slat go missing? How can you trust anything they do? Remember they just came out of a year long period where all 787 deliveries were stopped due to quality control issues over there too.
Gotta love the CEO’s at Boeing. Shortsighted greed takes down another great American company along with all the great frontline employees. Will we ever get back to “made in America” meaning something positive?
And another American company bites the dust, and another one down and another one down, another one bites the dust. This is systemic folks. Capitalism run a muck. When will these guys stop running cover for their fellow cronies?
most fire arms are made in america thats a positive
Embraer needs to make a standard size plane :)
Bingo! 👍🏼
My hop to New York is embraer then airbus to Hong Kong , airbus to manila, no Boeing bingo of death this trip😂
Airbus needs to open a second US factory and start manufacturing wide bodies in the USA, as well as expanding on the current A320 series that is already being built in the USA
@@ytzpilot I don't think wide body production of Airbus will leave Europe. For that the plants in Europa are big enough. The problem, as you said, is A320 Family. They converted the old A380 assembly line to produce more A320 family planes. Just takes time for that to run on max output. And remember that the plant in Mobile, Alabama is not only building A320 series, it also builds the A220s for the US there. And it will take years to build up a new assembly line and train the people.
@@ytzpilotAirbus should probably just buy Boeing at this point.
Boeing management policy … deny, deflect, dodge, dive, dip duck and dodge
if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge the FAA.
That's standard management policy for all corporations.
And lord knows they dodge wrenches over so much so they don’t use em
@@damham5689
Standard management policy for all AMERICAN corporations.
In America, money is more important than lives.
In Europe, lives are more important than profit.
This is just American business culture.
@@genxer74Actually the evidence shows that you can.
You forgot to ask him how he felt about his Customers who would really rather never set foot on one of those death traps.
Why the hell would you order a fleet of MAX 10s when the MAX 8s and MAX 9s both had safety issues?
Are you really this clueless?
Most of the max models have had serious isses with them so it seems.
United and Boeing used to be same company until they were forced to separate, so I don't think United has any choice but Boeing.
I hate to say it but Boeing is doing it to themselves. I’d be surprised if United doesn’t at least try Airbus. Boeing’s action plan doesn’t seem all that actionable to me. This whole thing is an example of how American corporations are putting profit ahead of quality, safety, and affordability.
I find it laughable that the resistance to say the word "Airbus" is so obvious in that conversation.
Don’t worry about the MAX 10 certification: Boeing just got Congress to overturn the FAA’s design requirement for a new safety warning system. What could instill more confidence….?
Putting EICAS on MAX 10 never made sense and is basically impossible, honestly. I think it's ridiculous that there's planes without it in 2024, but MAX 8 and 9 got approved without it already.
@@AmbientMorality So you know better than the FAA how to secure the MAX 10? That’s even more scary and damning of the FAA and Boeing… If it were true.
@@lours6993 The EICAS requirement was originally set by Congress, and was to be enforced by the FAA. It was set by Congress with a two-year delay to allow Boeing to certify MAX 7 and MAX 10 and then no future planes. Boeing missed that deadline.
@@AmbientMorality How does ‘Congress’ come up with next generation technical avionics requirements that don’t have their source in the FAA? Strong role for Congress.
@@lours6993 Are you doubting that I am correct that the EICAS requirement was based on a congressional act? If so, it's public information and was passed in the 2021 omnibus.
If you're just stating that the FAA was likely consulted on that bill, then sure! My point was just that the deadline was set to allow for MAX 7 and MAX 10 to go through without the system, but no further aircraft. Boeing then failed to meet that deadline.
I was one of 860 Quality Inspectors let go, now working at Mobile
Do you have any insights on what's going on in Boeing?
Never heard of QA let go
they need to certify Embraer's E2 in US
that's almost useless with all the mainline scope clauses. Embraer just needs to make a standard sized airplane.
@genxer74 Actually they are there New Embraer E2 Family of Jets ranging from The E175's to the E190's & E195's I hope US Carriers will all take interest in buying them soon.
@@karlossargeant3872 see my above post regarding scope clauses. The 190 and 175 series a/c are NOT standard sized jets. While the 190 has about 100 seats, a standard sized plane has ~150+ seats. That's what Embraer needs to make. That way it can actually take market share from Boeing.
And regarding the 175s, the US carriers already use them technically speaking--hence the scope clause, which limits regional aircraft to 76 seats. The ERJ175 is already the most popular and most advanced regional jet in the US and regional airlines are buying more and more of these. Heck, the 175 IS the most advanced jet in the US and the closest competitor is the A220 (which isn't even an Airbus design).
It's difficult for him because Airbus has 10 years or orders already and it takes 7 years for them to deliver a plane while Boeing only takes 5. But yes, we can see the results now.
There are always delivery slots available.
-Order cancellations/swaps
-Delivery postponements
-Leased aircraft
Just a matter of avalaivle units and price.
A lot of this is down to far more airlines trusting the A321 program over the max program.
Longer order book for the A321 is the result.
@@bmwhockingfunny thing is, the A321 was second fiddle to the 757 when it was in production, now that it's no longer made, Airbus reaped the benefits. Boeing really needed a clean sheet design for the 737 sized airframe and should've updated the 757 first; I bet Boeing regrets destroying all the 757 tooling.
Calhoun needs to go. Making 4x pay of Airbus CEO for delivering disaster after disaster.
Calhoun isn't the problem, it's Boeing culture that has not changed since last CEO.
@@lordy1952 Calhoun is part of the problem. He hasn't worked to wholesale change the culture and he was a director overseeing Boeing since 2009. The whole management and board needs to go.
@@lordy1952 He's a bean counter who calls it in from his villa in Chicago for a company with HQ in DC while engineering and manufacturing are in Seattle and/or outsourced🤦
Airbus has CEO who is prominent aerospace engineer who shows up and gets the job done right for 1/4th the pay that Calhoun gets to preside over the mess.
@@elvinlee7592 100%! Board replaced, new CEO promoted from engineering organization ranks, HQ moved back to Seattle to be close to engineering. Spirit integrated back into Boeing or manufacturing brought in house. Stop focusing on beancounting in Chicago and lobbying in DC. Build the best planes in the world. If you make 4x the Airbus CEO pay, you have to be head and shoulders above Airbus or hit the road.
I dont see how he is a bean counter? He did put the company on track last year yet this year seems that has all changed because of this latest issue with MAX 9 No one can be trusted with only two manufacturers airlines can rely on@@litchips
Perhaps Lockheed should get back 8nto the commercial jet business. There last endtje L1011 was one of the best aircraft at the time, way ahead of both McDonell Douglas and Boeing. I’ll bet they could come up with a high quality aircraft to take ‘n the 737 with a larger cross section fuselage for more room, and have an equal of better operating economics.
Boeing is to worried about Wall Street and the baloney they spew, get back to basics and build them correctly. Both Boeing and Airbus need some good solid competition.
Oh God no!!! The L-1011 lost money.
Lockheed will never get back into the commercial aviation business.
@@SquawkCodeit did, but it lost money because of the delays; the aircraft was innovative for it's time from what I understand.
@@LoneWolfSparty That's what people say. As a passenger it was like flying inside a warehouse. I flew on a Delta L-1011TriStar 😂 to Europe.
If it’s the 737 Max from Boeing, I ain’t going!
-United Customer
It’s called hiring more and more realistic time tables on these planes. CEOs act like we are stupid. They cut work force and then they expect the same quality with more pressure. Smh. This is a leadership issue this has nothing to do with identity politics and has all to do with cutting corners for the sake of greed. I wouldn’t ride on those planes if you paid me.
Great interview, Mr. Kirby. I wish United's staff the very best and thank you for providing the American public flying the safe skies.
United should go after Spirit because the latter's fleet consists of nothing but Airbus A320s and A321s.
Spirits fleet is quite young but I doubt they would take over Spirit especially after the DOJ struck down the jet blue merger
If spirit goes belly up they could always purchase those planes.
It won’t get approved because it will eliminate an ultra low cost carrier reducing competition..
@@Abel0228 Let JetBlue merge with Frontier as a consolation prize. If you want to fly super cheap, you can still pick Allegiant.
@@Abel0228maybe possibly JetBlue if they somehow crater before spirit does?
From a company perspective, United needed an alternative plan that didn't include the max because cases like this happen twice already and it cost united Millions.
It's not a shame having an airbus into the fleet.
United have many airbus aircraft including the A321neo. It seems United is leaning more towards Airbus now, having placed a further order for 180 additional A321s including the A321XLR (extra long range) variation - planned for launch in late 2024/early 25.
maybe the government needs to have a larger role in these company's, that can destroy so many lives in the pursuit of profits, also these golden parachutes and payout packages should be void if their are deaths.
Boeing Management. Boeing Board of Directors. The first thing with them is PROFIT. Virtually every screwup that Boeing has had is related to Boeing Management cutting corners, Occam's Razor.
all companies care about profit and cut corners. all companies should be shut down with this attitude but they cant
The Boeing board of directors is the real problem: holding onto their McDonnell-Douglas profit over people bs. Muilenburg was a complete scapegoat. That's why obviously nothing has changed at Boeing since he left.
This gives me an even better idea! The host asked great questions
Scott, you can have the planes fast or you can have the planes defect-free, but you can't have both.
Clearly not with Boeing
Interesting thought...but what a can of worms
So United CEO is demanding they do it faster and Boeing CEO says no problem, we will cut QA down.
Huh? BA is at least 5 years delayed on delivery. He didn't want them fast, he just wanted them one-time.
United and Boeing did exactly the same thing, fired their engineers that improved everything in the acft, and instead turned to “rapid turnaround revenue greed”.
The passengers have the power to refuse flying in a MAX, if no one wants to fly in it, then the airlines will make the change. Boeing can Jedi-mind trick their way out of this one.
No they do not have the power to refuse flying in a MAX. If no one wants to fly in it the airlines will not listen and change. Boeing can do better
You're assuming that they have the option of choice, which in many cases they don't.
@@eagle1ear We do have a choice. You can see what aircraft model you will be flying when you do a booking.
But the ticket is cheaper all bet is off.
@@CoralSea finally, ding,ding,ding
Memo to United CEO: We want these planes to be safe. If it take a grounding to recheck the structure then so be it. Stop the whining. I know it’s gonna hurt your bonus and incentives, but at end of the day safety over profits.
Yeah, they're big, they're the best, they build awesome aircraft, but now I'm going to get some Airbus...
What’s insane is Southwest has put all of its eggs in one basket: MAX. The MAX7 is delayed indefinitely, the orders are being deferred to MAX8s which is causing over capacity. I don’t understand what Southwest’s end game is.
I believe Southwest was leaning heavily towards the A220, but Boeing made them an offer they couldn’t refuse with the Max7. Meanwhile the A220 and NEO products are going from strength to strength and Boeing’s reputation is falling faster than a door plug on a Max9.
We decided in our family that none should fly on Boeing MAX - it’s interesting how committed the management is to keep throwing people on Boeing MAX in the future…
United CEO is not going to completely trash the max since they’re stuck flying them. This will definitel hurt United and those flying the max. It looks like the problem is too big for Boeing to deal with because Beoing is the problem. Like the United CEO said, the problem began with the MD merger.
Might want to have Citi analyst Jason Gursky back on who basically said the impact on Boeing was minimal and nothing long-term.
The issues at Boeing aren't going to be solved so easily. It has to do with the structure of the company. Boeing outsources many parts to other companies who have their own inspection procedures that don't jive with Boeing's. Therefore there's a break in the chain of communication. Boeing trusts that the parts they receive meet their safety standards and that's just not happening. It's different at airbus which, even though is a consortium, owns all the different divisions that manufacture their plane parts, and must pass the same inspection standards.
Having grown up as a child overseas I used to fly on 707 and 747 aircraft.Loved them but will not fly a Boeing again as their interiors are falling apart 787 what are their exteriors doing
David Calhoun is well aware of where Boeing went wrong. Boeing's short-sighted aim became profit above safety. The short staffed FAA handed Boeing responsibility to police their own safety inspections, yeah that worked out well didn't it! If any of the hard working safety inspectors dared speak up, they were simply fired, (860 of them). Boeing needs to remember that they are in the business of SAFETY first, Aircraft second. So, what do the stockholders think now that 20% of the value of their stocks have evaporated in a week? The board at Boeing need to wake up and get back to basics!
YES! I’m glad this CEO’s a little more open to other “options”!
That's interesting what he said about United being the largest Boeing customer, on first glance I would have assumed SouthWest would be the largest Boeing customer since they have total exclusive with 737 and no other variants...also I'm sure DC was not happy waking up seeing this interview where he's essentially being called out, I'm sure Airbus executives over in France are sitting back with their popcorn.
Are the bolts made in the U.S. or another country?
SPECS could be off so they loosen up ?
Watch Blancolirio CZcams channel for latest findings, problems are a lot worse than you think and goes much deeper into Boeing’s CMES system which has failed miserably.
Max 10 or 11 won’t change anything. Higher incomes neither. Some of the problems have been mentioned by a former employee in the production line. Ignore reality is not the best way to proceed.
All this because the stock price became the biggest focus of Boeing and not the planes.
When those two Maxes did a header into the ground I made a decision to never fly them again. Boeing took the cheap way out and refused to redesign that airframe that’s been around for 50 years. The Maxes engines are massive and tossed the aerodynamics out of wack, which the Boeing engineers fixed with SW. Fixing a hardware problem with SW is never good as the world now knows.
Kayak have started to allow their customers to filter out the 737 Max-9 on their website. I'm sure other online travel agents will follow suit. I'm afraid for Boeing, it's a case of "Give a dog a bad name and hang him". I now have ZERO confidence with Boeing.
There's nothing wrong with the Max9, 737 or Boeing planes.
@@SquawkCode I know that 🙂. I'll be on the 777 and the 787 next month when I fly to the Far East. However, given the choice, I'd rather fly Airbus. I guess that's the way it is for me.
I don’t think Boeing gonna improve soon, it’s takes internal restructuring and that takes time.
Why the hell is it just the CEO? The entire C suite AND the max program management need to go.
Yes to Airbus. Planes are far more comfortable and safe.
Journalists were kinda unprofessional. Asking the hard questions sure but a little too sly about it.
Someone should tell the CEO to cancel his orders with Boeing and go with strictly airbus like Delta has
Simple, bring the engineers back.
Now THAT'S a BRILLIANT idea. Boeing's board currently has two engineers. That's it. There are two former flag-rank officers but they're only on the board because of their DoD connections so they're not going to rock the boat. The rest of the board is nothing but accountants/CFO types who have no knowledge about building airplanes. The rest of that bunch all have "leadership", and "strategic financial blah, blah" in their CVs.
Nah, bring Nikki Haley back
Engineers would prevent one mechanic from forgetting cotter pins? This isn't a design issue
@@MotorSwapDan okay, that's not quite how aircraft maintenance works. Actually, it doesn't work that way at all (any A&Ps out there, feel free to chime in). As far as it not being a design issue, Alaska Airlines, United Airlines, the FAA, and the NTSB disagree with you. It is a design issue. It's also a quality control issue as the FAA pointed out when they ordered Boeing to halt production of the Max. It doesn't help that Boeing reduced or eliminated safety inspection and quality control positions over the objections of Boeing employees. United Airlines found the same loose bolts in their Max jets that Alaska found during the inspections of their Max jets. And going back a couple of years, Ethiopian Airlines flight 302 and Lion Air flight 610 both crashed because of a design flaw in the MCAS software. MCAS caused both jets to go into extreme nose-up and nose-down attitudes that the pilots were unable to resolve. This was a design flaw that Boeing directly acknowledged was their fault. Boeing also wrote a flawed cockpit procedure for dealing with an MCAS malfunction. It was only after the two crashes that the Boeing changed the procedure. Now, if the MCAS causes extreme pitch changes, the new procedure calls for the pilots to ...simply turn it off. But that was rewritten only after the two crashes. But it's not all on Boeing's shoulders, at least not so far. Boeing's subcontractor, Spirit AeroSystems, also shares some of the blame. Spirit made the part that caused the door plug to fail on the Alaska Airlines Max Jet. Several Spirit employees raised safety concerns about this issue. So this isn't a matter of a "mechanic forgetting a cotter pin" as you put it. One missing cotter pin? That's probably going to fall on maintenance. Every cotter pin missing from the same place on every component? That's a design flaw and a quality control problem. I invite you to please reconsider your position.
United should help off load spirit balance sheet and take some of those new A320s off their hands .
Wow, those reporters really wanted to put words into your mouth! Those were not hard questions, they were set ups for their particular point of view.
Gonna be avoiding the 737 Max for an Airbus/other Boeing wherever possible like many others - not exactly an inspiring safety record
Going all European's Airbus like Delta does might be good at this point
You never go all in on one company. Because when stuff like this happens you are left in a jam
Look up A400M.
this is what happens when two manufactures cant get orders due to not being able to be trusted. this year has gone mad for Airbus and Boeing orders etc
Why cant airbus be trusted @@nickolliver3021
@@dortyboy Ryanair went all Boeing.
Love the business buzz-phrases.
Playbook
24-7
Blocking and tackling
Sometimes things are not running like the way they should. The situation with Boeing's 737 isn't funny but i think that they will manage that crisis.
Boeing stopped being an engineering powerhouse a very long time ago. A lot of that has been outsourced. They can’t just reshuffle the CEOs pay and send him home with more cash in his pockets every time something happens. The entire structure of the enterprise is very weak. Just imagine of the things that are happening that we don’t hear about. The people in the upper echelons can’t be worried about the stock market and sweet talking share holders all the time.
Only Airbus 321 or Comac c919 fit the bill as a Max-10 alternative.
My last flight was a United Max 9. And it was turbulence from touch to touch. Guess I'm lucky to be able to tell that harrowing tale. LOL.
Boeing needs to compensate the airlines for loss of revenue. Its Boeing's fault. But I have no doubt the US govt will bailout Boeing by using taxpayers money to help the airlines stay profitable.
I won’t let my family fly on a Boeing.
Boeing needs to give the keys back to the engineers.
Boeing hasn't learned their lesson and never will learn their lesson. They need to be acquired and redone from scratch.
For starters, Boeing needs to bring Spirit Aero back in house.
Scott wife would not give him her clothes for the interview today.. He seems uncomfortable in a mens suit.
Boeing has forced companies that have had lifelong relationships to switch to Airbus. It’s a sad an and time, but Boeing allowed money hungry businessmen to run a company and fire engineers and higher those with no experience for less pay. It’s over.
More of the same is good, actions are good. Q1 is going to be a make or break
The industry really is a bit screwed when you only have 2 suppliers and one is failing to perform. This will be an opportunity for other companies like Embraer or Comac to step up and take some market share, but can they get their act together before Boeing does? Timelines in this business are so long.
They need to get it together for public trust because I don't believe anything they say at this point. Get it together!!!
Men like this SHOULD WORRY EVERYONE!!! These shiny CEO men who have never had any experience engineering or being a laborer putting planes together. Disappointing.
Stop using Indian engineers, Boeing may still have a chance.
No wonder why us healthcare sucks , nearly all foreign doctors with shady degrees
The 737 and 737 Max have had so many issues over the years.
Why does UAL keep buying them?
The 737 almost makes the DC10 look good.
Its so annoying listening to the CEO skate around Boeing failings. He may talk up how fine Boeings people engineers are bur it was them that designed the MCAS suicide AOA stabilizer debacle.
Shouldnt we as customers we have the choice to hop on one of these suspect planes or not!
Why isn't the public getting a choice!
I’m a frequent flyer and after watching the Boeing whistle blower explain the cultural issues at Boeing, I am very concerned about flying on the Max. Kirby and his counterparts need to consider the safety of their customers and dump the max. That will also pressure Boeing to revamp their company and get back to building quality once again.
It’s the quality of pilots United is hiring which is scary…..they openly admit hiring race and gender before qualifications
Boeing is quickly becoming the joke of Airplane manufacturers.
Great people at Boeing, bad executive management decisions from what a whistleblower has said. The previous CEO got a 15 million dollar bonus for all his bad decisions that the board agreed to, again according a whistlebower.
Getting United to dump the 737 for an airbus type would
Be a momentous victory for airbus and combined with the recent loss of klm for Boeing it would mark an inflection point for the long term future of Boeing..once you big lose customers like this it is generational and sets a precedent for other airlines in their fleet purchases. McDonnell Douglas was once also invincible and rivaled Boeing then they started losing customers like this one by one until even though they still could make solid planes they didn’t have enough customers and were finished. Boeing is going down this path
From a strategic perspective for airbus it makes sense to go after United at all costs to deliver the a321 neo/xlr
And finish Boeings 737 program. Even it means delaying airbus 321 orders from smaller airlines like indigo or air Asia to be able to deliver the United order and get them to switch it would be worth it. Who cares if it upsets indigo they aren’t switching to Boeing anytime soon
Just go with Airbus already
I like this guy
Plot twist, United buys spirit
If spirit goes under I could see them acquiring some or all of spirit’s planes
So many airline comapnies going broke. Look at airline stock prices. Jetblue dirt cheap.
maybe he'd get his planes if he drag danced harder than last time?
Go to Airbus - Boeing has lost their way - they went from engineers running the company to accountants running the company
Look up A400M. Airbus isn't above screwing up.
Yeh right they cant just rely on airbus. Airbus have gone from engineers running company to accountants running the company too
Get the bean counters out of engineering!
If Kirby doesn’t change course with hiring people based on their skin color and not their skills United will be just like Boeing
Not sure what they expect from Boeing when they had to lay off 100’s of skilled employees because of those employees refusing certain treatments 2+ years ago.
Shhhh... don't talk about the bad color
The MAX crashes predated the pandemic, if that's what you're alluding to. You're a clown.
Boeings problems started long before COVID.
United Airlines was literally created by Boeing so to think United will ever have an all Airbus fleet is comical.
Things are already comical, so I’ll be expecting some Airbus aircraft at United.
what else is comical is thinking that Disney makes family movies
Boeing is like Ford looks good but it’s plague with recalls and problems
Isn't United Airlines an offshoot company of boeing ?
What? Not in his drag outfit?
That's that guy? I would guess he's that airline"s problem. Not an AD on some of their airplanes.
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They can't fly those 30 year old 757s for ever...
He must be boiling up inside
United CEO and Boeing CEO both live or lived in Chicago area. Probably golf buddies. Of course he is not going to come out and say Boeing CEO should fired. But he should, that is only way Boeing employees are going to know a real change is coming.
It's not just the CEO, it's the whole darn board!
Will Boeing begin fixing problems or continue firing whistle-blowers?
He's not in drag today?
Smart move from UA to move away from the max due to the quality problems.
If it’s Boeing I’m not going . I will not fly Boeing. You say it is safe. If another crashes will you quit and not take a golden handshake like Calhoun and the boys at Boeing.