I really appreciate his uploading any video, Warren is a busy man for sure. I always give him a thumbs up before watching, cuz he always has something interesting going on, and he tells the best stories, and the commentary on the machine's, or the people he deal's with are great.
Those cast iron Deere cutter bars are tough but they won’t last long without oil. The shear hubs break 999 times out of a thousand and save the cutterbar but a failed bearing from low oil will go thru the gears like a shotgun blast and wreck everything.
Hey Warren, great to see a video. I remember when you bought that truck at the auction and it had that brand new welder on it. What a deal that was!! Lots of strange stuff you work on. I found a new channel on CZcams called Farming Fixing & Fabricating. They operate a dairy in upstate new York but do a lot of equipment repair also. Reminds me a lot of what you do. Keep up the great work. Thanks for sharing your awesome videos.
And when it happened it was a very expensive sound. When you chip a tooth in those cycle bars there are no magnets, it will wipe out the whole set. Happy to see a video from you Warren.
Didn't know that's how some are designed... that is nuts! No breakpoint to prevent from taking out the whole head. Might as well as scrap it just about.
i second that, one has to be quite a bit pain free(as we say in Germany) to weld without any cleaning of the cutter bar with a hay stack just in front of it. Please don't confuse courage with recklessness Warren!
Clean, sawdust, and trade in quick! Remember cutting off a sprinkler head with the lawn mower, then it shuck like heck. It bend the crankshaft. Boy was my dad mad about having to buy a new mower!
Damn Warren, I didn't know you were a dentist as well. All those missing teeth it's almost like that machine was in a redneck bar fight and lost big time.. Thanks for sharing and Stay Safe!
I looked up the parts. I'm looking at $463 each for the big gears (AFH203695). The driver gear and bearing (with the shear hub) is $742 (AFH205728). The repair bill on this one is gonna hurt.... To replace all the gears and drivers/shear hubs its gonna be north of $16,000.
@@pootthatbak2578 shit happens we have years we cut 6k acres with nothing but fuel,net,grease ,oil and then we have this year 5k here, 7k there and now we are out of drought heading into 2nd cutting who the hell knows what that brings but we are ready to cut monday
Ouch! I have one of those down at the moment too. I would consider ordering the whole bar new for that one. There should be more oil in it as well, just don't over fill they will get hot. I normally see gear tooth damage from failed ball bearing on gear or failed roller bearing on the output driver. Balls or rollers get in the teeth and well you know the rest of the story. If replacing bearings in gear you must torch them out. They snap ring into place when installed in gear with no access to snap ring. Make certain you time every thing by the book or you will take up drinking. Take care Warren hope this helps.
First one I rebuilt took for ever to realize how the bearing are held on. Interesting to find a captured snap ring. Guess cutting off is quicker regardless.
Thanks Warren. Reminds me when I was working in the computer industry, the service guys were taught how to repair a very large high end chain printer…and thought they could easily fix it. But they were shown the repair at their education class when the covers were off. But at the customers site, the covers were on and they took a long time to figure out how the covers came off - the diabolical engineers had figured out yet another way to lock the covers on, frustrating the service techs. Enjoying your videos, thanks.
I run 3pt disc mowers as our farms in Ky. are small. The designs of the bars are the same. That is the catastrophic failure mode of the gear to gear drive models. I prefer the individual pod style bars. The carmage is always contained to 1 pod. Also you dont have to dissemble the entire bar. That is labor intensive.
These gears had a hell of load to break all those teeth. The last operator knows something about this. Great to see a video Warren, thank you very much.
Thank you Warren, good to see you are plugging along. When you pulled that first shaft and you saw the missing teeth I sat here fer a second and wondered if there had been a cascading effect on the others. I am no expert at all sir, wish I had been wrong. I have only known a handful of HD Mechanics in my life who had the skill, integrity, and work ethic you have shown us over the years in your videos. That man was my Father. I can't give you a higher compliment. Best to you and yours in these...interesting times we live in. Keep yer powder dry....
Thanks for the video Warren, i laughed at the title, knew it must be about some junk john deere lol. G-d bless you, the wife, kid's, and all the furry critters.
That one is a lot older than the one that you and I worked on obviously and but very similar. They must have hit something really hard like you say to take out all those gears! Take it easy if you can try and watch those knees of yours! Take care friend!
The gears broke cause of no oil...that cutter bar needs everything changed now...all the bearings are toast..easier to just take right off the machine.. if they hit something the shear hub should have sheared right off...looks like no maintenance to me...
That’s the problem with all rotary swathers, one thing goes wrong and it takes out the entire cutter bar. The hesstons we used to run it cost us 16k to rebuild the entire cutter bar because an irrigator left a center pivot gear box in the field. If I remember right they only hold less than a gallon of oil too.
It's the nature of the hay game, sadly the mower is the first machine to go into a field and find any foreign objects. Some of them have shear hubs on them to protect the internal gears from that type of damage but they end up screwing up all the disc's because when one shears the 2 disc's beside it end up beating the living piss out of the sheared one.
Thank you for the video Warren, 👍 Wow, that's one fucked up header on the swather, I hope you'll get sometime off I know work pays bill's but it doesn't buy your life back from exhaustion, but that's life I suppose, at least you've got your trusted girl beside you.
Are you welding 105amps with 1/8 rods? I can never get nuts to properly fuse when. I am welding then to remove a stuck fastener. You always have such great success....I weld...breakoff reweld...breakoff....reweld breakoff lol
Can you get a new or used cutter bar? The whole maybe cheaper than buying individual gears, sheer hubs and seals. I believe the gears and modular sections are consistent across multiple JD mowing machines. Running the cutter head without hydraulic oil most likely destroyed all the gears in the cutter head. John Deere has become extremely proud of their parts and charge accordingly.
I enjoy your video. i know being self-employed is a big task. I don't know how you find time to make videos. Working as much as you do . I'm glad when you have time to produce a video. I will keep watching your videos whenever they are available.
Glad you are walking around OK. Take care though not to leap about like a spring chicken too soon. Good that you are booked for work though. Take care and thanks for posting for us all. Much appreciated. Best from UK.
Looking at the unit, loose one tooth and it follows the field of gears. Thanks for the video Warren, I'll be looking for the follow up on this project. Keep safe guy.
Had the same issue brought to my shop. I think they had bearing go out first and then it went into the gears. Only way to fix it is remove all the gear box sections. No way to make sure all the metal is cleared as it is open from side to side. Dismantle each section and pressure wash. Complete rebuild to do right. I replaced all bearing and it took out several gears like you showed in the video. 12k job at the dealer.
Mabe a new cutterbar is cheaper than too bay all this gears to solwe the problem. Looks like the don't have use oil in that cutterbar. Keep going with your great work!
The cutter bar on the older Hesston machines sat in a tray on the header and you had to remove the cutter bar to do that sort of thing with it. I like the modular design on the deere cutter bar, but have been unimpressed with the quality of deere equipment produced in the last 5 to 10 years. Love the videos Warren, looking forward to seeing the solution to this one.
Howdy! I just got done rebuilding my John Deere 956 moco. My have 9 housings and I had to replace 6 whole unit's. It was not fun for me! My local has he fixing housing units. Scared me because I hate to get done in a small Time Warner can't afford that kind of breakdown but I got it fixed with used parts. Enjoy your street to the point content!!!
Hello Warren. We were thinking it's out of time. Those cutter bars seem to give a lot of trouble. We have repaired a similar one just the other day. They are a load of shite.
Great video Warren looks like a lot of work to find all of the broken gears and pieces to fix the head on that swather. Thanks for sharing your videos stay safe Warren.
I have always wondered how those things were driven, now I know. Warren , you are good at what you do sir, always enjoy watching you trouble shoot and repair breakdowns. I would like to think that those gears would be running in some kind of lubricant. Good luck on this one young man, the company owner that owns that machine is about going to have to sell their first born to cover the cost on repair parts alone. Thanks for the ride along sir.
Warren they don't come out the bottom! Each turtle has its own housing you must drop the hole cutter bar then unbolt the housing that's bad split them apart then the gears come out the side!
Darryl Digby-Smith I reckon the cutter bar completely stuffed! Big $$$ will be needed! Tho did the oil leak out? Or did the farm not refill the cutter bar?
These bars only have a little oil in them. I think maybe 2 quarts. Put more and burn up the bearings. My neighbor got a new one and filled it up with oil and burned it up. One tooth comes off and the next tooth gets on top of another tooth and the teeth get shelled off These gears turn about 3000 rpm and gear teeth go from one end to another in a second. Khun made this bar and some New Holland bars and the Khun bars. I have had all three bars do this. Each gear is about 400 dollars and my short bars have about 19 gears. I would buy a whole bar, may be a cracked tooth that will run a few hours and destroy it again. I spent a few thousand on about half the gears and got it to run a half of day before wiping out again. One tooth goes and wipes out the whole bar. The tooth gets in between other teeth and shit happens fast at 3000 rpm
@@jameslawson2292 Yes what you have said is true I use to run disc mowers in fact I am a retired farmer, BUT I am not beside Warren, but it looks to me if there is very little if any oil in that cutter bar ,now not being there my self and looking at the picture of the cutter bar I have a lot doubt that there is 2 Quarts of oil in that cutter bar.
Great video, I hope you show the disassembly and reassembly. If I lived near you, I would be there right beside you. But, I live in northern Illinois. Love this kind of troubleshooting and rebuilds. I been helping my childhood friend on his farm for 35 years. Thank you for sharing, Warren. Oh by the way, did you get an award from CZcams for your 100,000 subscribers?
I’m gonna guess he hit a piece of irrigation pipe. That’s why I don’t like discbines, they’ll keep going after a little damage so you don’t know until it’s major damage.
@@dclfarms6204 it almost looks like it could've been the lack of oil also, or from my understanding, whoever operates the machine is really hard on the equipment or doesn't maintain it, since he had to replace so many bearings.
@@dclfarms6204 thats why I like the new holland cutter bars because they are not all open to each other like that. Makes it a pain because each has it own oil but when one gear box goes bad you rebuild or replace it and go again. Its also more of a pain to get them apart but like I said the shrapnel stays in its own housing.
And every time I took one apart it had lost oil. NH has oil in each compartment with a $70 shaft between each one. The shafts would snap sometimes, but usually gears were broke too. The segments held together with bolts torqued to 580ftlbs, that’s tight
I suspect the operator was going too fast in deep grass for the machine to keep up with the incoming crop and that leads to plugging up. Once a tooth sheers off with plug up pressure and the continued use of the machine the rest of the gears have no chance because the timing goes out of sync and that leads to eventual catastrophic failure. Another fine video Warren.
@@pootthatbak2578 Yes I am inclined to agree. over here in the UK we don't have swather's for mowing grass. We use tractor mounted front and rear mowing machines. Very often, you see teenager's/early twenty somethings mowing grass as fast as they can go. Then, when taking the silage back in a trailer to the farm they charge around our narrow country roads like idiots. You can see tyre skid marks on the road as proof they have had to brake sharply to stop and avoid a collision. Looks to me like the machines were being operated by idiots.
Thanks for sharing buddy we understand you are busy it’s cool when you get time for a video it’s fine we will be here looks like this thing chewed up the gears lol
Hey Warren, nice to see another snapshot into your world. It was quick shot of the underside, but it looked like your skid plates were worn thru as well easier to get at them now. you're having way too much fun for me. Take care. do like you pup. I got a new choc lab man that dog loves to bird. 5 months old and he is focused a laser on ducks
Yep I’m doing one of them right now. I put a quart of oil every day in these things if it’s not leaking out the air tube is low on oil and that’s what happens
Ask who the operator was that last used the machine, and have him tell you what he did, did hit anything hard with the cutter? Can you tell if the bed of the disc is bent up ? What knocked the cutter out of timing? Lots of caked crud buildup on the blade disc and front edge bar.
I've seen whole sets of bar gears go in one mass suicide event Warren. Even on the smallest of cutting bars they fail. I don't think they need to strike an object either - simple wear and tear creates slop in gears and that slop resonates along the gears back and forth until failures occur.
Right….if they had “hit something” the top piece of the drive has splines designed to breakaway and allow the “turtle” to either quit spinning or start banging into other hubs. Neither would have caused this…..I’m bettin the bar has many hours, over 2k and no oil……disaster for sure.
I did the same thing. I just keep the farms going so my phone just rings and rings and I don't answer it. I can't answer because I have no time to do anymore.
Looks like you have your hands full there Warren . Full of jd green shit is right Thanks for sharing .keep your head up Warren ,your doing a great job . Take care Sask 🇨🇦
Looks like its time to do a full cutter bar rebuild, combination of no oil/ metal everywhere you can possibly get all the metal out of it now without taking it all apart and inspecting it. I had to do it to my diskbine and Iam glad i did previous owner had a failure just like this one and when I disassembled it there was metal at both ends that I couldn’t have got without taking it completely apart.
Welding by the hay barn😂. I’ll never forget when I was a kid in elementary school, two older kids I knew were playing in their neighbors huge hay barn smoking, actually threw matches at a cat and the cat caught on fire and ran through the hay barn. It burned down fast. Old Justin and Mike payed a heavy price too the morons.
I don't know why but I would have expected that to be chain and sprocket driven. Solid gear drive train seems great on paper but has got zero shock absorbtion.
The work and time it takes for you to bring us these videos is very much appreciated. Thank you Warren,
I really appreciate his uploading any video, Warren is a busy man for sure. I always give him a thumbs up before watching, cuz he always has something interesting going on, and he tells the best stories, and the commentary on the machine's, or the people he deal's with are great.
Agreed Graeme!
Where you get wrench extender at
@@davidhauser1197 I made my own one from some 30x8 flat bar about 600 long and bent some 10x5 into two hooks and welded on staggered it works well
I could watch your videos all day I really appreciate you for the awesome content as I am disabled.
Those cast iron Deere cutter bars are tough but they won’t last long without oil. The shear hubs break 999 times out of a thousand and save the cutterbar but a failed bearing from low oil will go thru the gears like a shotgun blast and wreck everything.
Wow! I hope we get a follow up on this one. Looks like a domino effect took out the whole geartrain.
I’m glade you made a video about this machine. Never seen them up close before. Cheers
Hey Warren, great to see a video. I remember when you bought that truck at the auction and it had that brand new welder on it. What a deal that was!! Lots of strange stuff you work on. I found a new channel on CZcams called Farming Fixing & Fabricating. They operate a dairy in upstate new York but do a lot of equipment repair also. Reminds me a lot of what you do. Keep up the great work. Thanks for sharing your awesome videos.
And when it happened it was a very expensive sound. When you chip a tooth in those cycle bars there are no magnets, it will wipe out the whole set. Happy to see a video from you Warren.
Didn't know that's how some are designed... that is nuts! No breakpoint to prevent from taking out the whole head. Might as well as scrap it just about.
Thanks for the video Warren. Hard ass work out in the fields, take care of yourself. They should just replace the entire head.
made me a bit nervous welding around all that hay. with my luck I would've burned the whole barn down. good on ya.
i second that, one has to be quite a bit pain free(as we say in Germany) to weld without any cleaning of the cutter bar with a hay stack just in front of it. Please don't confuse courage with recklessness Warren!
I was worried the same. Hay all over the head, all over the ground and a barn of hay! I know we wanted the shade by I would've moved it back myself.
Yep fairly risky think welder earth shouldn’t weld through bearing!!
I had to wait for it right to the very end,but I wasn’t disappointed…..”What a piece of --- “. Kindest regards 🇨🇦
I love WWW =watching warren work ,, cheers mate
O heck Warren you have opened up a right can of worms there .😯
Looks like you may have to replace them all 😯
Clean, sawdust, and trade in quick! Remember cutting off a sprinkler head with the lawn mower, then it shuck like heck. It bend the crankshaft. Boy was my dad mad about having to buy a new mower!
Damn Warren, I didn't know you were a dentist as well. All those missing teeth it's almost like that machine was in a redneck bar fight and lost big time.. Thanks for sharing and Stay Safe!
What's the best time to go to the Dentist?
Tooth Hurty 🤣
Unless you're Canadian, then it's Tooth Hurty, Eh?
I looked up the parts. I'm looking at $463 each for the big gears (AFH203695). The driver gear and bearing (with the shear hub) is $742 (AFH205728). The repair bill on this one is gonna hurt.... To replace all the gears and drivers/shear hubs its gonna be north of $16,000.
Thats good info..keep it coming. Holy cow, how can anyone afford to work a field?
@@pootthatbak2578 shit happens we have years we cut 6k acres with nothing but fuel,net,grease ,oil and then we have this year 5k here, 7k there and now we are out of drought heading into 2nd cutting who the hell knows what that brings but we are ready to cut monday
Ouch! I have one of those down at the moment too. I would consider ordering the whole bar new for that one. There should be more oil in it as well, just don't over fill they will get hot. I normally see gear tooth damage from failed ball bearing on gear or failed roller bearing on the output driver. Balls or rollers get in the teeth and well you know the rest of the story. If replacing bearings in gear you must torch them out. They snap ring into place when installed in gear with no access to snap ring. Make certain you time every thing by the book or you will take up drinking. Take care Warren hope this helps.
First one I rebuilt took for ever to realize how the bearing are held on. Interesting to find a captured snap ring. Guess cutting off is quicker regardless.
If they are real lucky, they can find a swather that has burned and grab the bar off of it. Good luck Warren.
Thanks Warren. Reminds me when I was working in the computer industry, the service guys were taught how to repair a very large high end chain printer…and thought they could easily fix it. But they were shown the repair at their education class when the covers were off. But at the customers site, the covers were on and they took a long time to figure out how the covers came off - the diabolical engineers had figured out yet another way to lock the covers on, frustrating the service techs. Enjoying your videos, thanks.
Glad to see your alive and well.
Glad to see you posting videos again, hopefully your knee is better. Love seeing your babyz, such good loving dogs.
I run 3pt disc mowers as our farms in Ky. are small. The designs of the bars are the same. That is the catastrophic failure mode of the gear to gear drive models. I prefer the individual pod style bars. The carmage is always contained to 1 pod. Also you dont have to dissemble the entire bar. That is labor intensive.
These gears had a hell of load to break all those teeth. The last operator knows something about this. Great to see a video Warren, thank you very much.
Thank you Warren, good to see you are plugging along. When you pulled that first shaft and you saw the missing teeth I sat here fer a second and wondered if there had been a cascading effect on the others. I am no expert at all sir, wish I had been wrong.
I have only known a handful of HD Mechanics in my life who had the skill, integrity, and work ethic you have shown us over the years in your videos. That man was my Father. I can't give you a higher compliment. Best to you and yours in these...interesting times we live in. Keep yer powder dry....
Thanks for the video Warren, i laughed at the title, knew it must be about some junk john deere lol. G-d bless you, the wife, kid's, and all the furry critters.
Warren, great to see you back. Hope you’re getting along well and all is going good. May you be blessed!!
You are the man... not grabbing the freshly welded bolt with your hand..
Glad to see nothing wrong other than loaded with work, stay safe!
That one is a lot older than the one that you and I worked on obviously and but very similar. They must have hit something really hard like you say to take out all those gears! Take it easy if you can try and watch those knees of yours! Take care friend!
Thanks Warren both for the quality entertainment and the extra time it takes you!!
Thanks for the video, always makes a Saturday morning even better.
Thank you for the videos.
We well understand being busy and taking care of your family and business.
The gears broke cause of no oil...that cutter bar needs everything changed now...all the bearings are toast..easier to just take right off the machine.. if they hit something the shear hub should have sheared right off...looks like no maintenance to me...
I love the heartfelt comments and the quick ending!
Thanks for you effort Warren these videos must take up a lot of your time? I just hope all appreciate this effort
That’s the problem with all rotary swathers, one thing goes wrong and it takes out the entire cutter bar. The hesstons we used to run it cost us 16k to rebuild the entire cutter bar because an irrigator left a center pivot gear box in the field. If I remember right they only hold less than a gallon of oil too.
WARREN THANK YOU. I’m glad to see you posted another video, thank you for the time and effort you put into everything!
It's the nature of the hay game, sadly the mower is the first machine to go into a field and find any foreign objects. Some of them have shear hubs on them to protect the internal gears from that type of damage but they end up screwing up all the disc's because when one shears the 2 disc's beside it end up beating the living piss out of the sheared one.
Love watching the videos but never long enough. Could watch all day. 😁😁
Videos have to take 2nd place to the work your doing, Warren. Video when you can and stay safe....
You got some huge balls welding next to all that hay and all that hay on the ground
Thanks for the videos, Warren. I appreciate the time and effort you put into sharing your skills.
Thank you for the video Warren, 👍 Wow, that's one fucked up header on the swather, I hope you'll get sometime off I know work pays bill's but it doesn't buy your life back from exhaustion, but that's life I suppose, at least you've got your trusted girl beside you.
Are you welding 105amps with 1/8 rods? I can never get nuts to properly fuse when. I am welding then to remove a stuck fastener.
You always have such great success....I weld...breakoff reweld...breakoff....reweld breakoff lol
Can you get a new or used cutter bar? The whole maybe cheaper than buying individual gears, sheer hubs and seals. I believe the gears and modular sections are consistent across multiple JD mowing machines. Running the cutter head without hydraulic oil most likely destroyed all the gears in the cutter head. John Deere has become extremely proud of their parts and charge accordingly.
I think I would be looking for a used head.
I enjoy your video. i know being self-employed is a big task. I don't know how you find time to make videos. Working as much as you do . I'm glad when you have time to produce a video. I will keep watching your videos whenever they are available.
Glad you are walking around OK. Take care though not to leap about like a spring chicken too soon. Good that you are booked for work though. Take care and thanks for posting for us all. Much appreciated. Best from UK.
My God the situations that you get into would discourage a lesser man, Keep on plugging away. appreciate any videos you make
Welcome back..News said water cut back to farm land in Klamath. Hope you show more when you repair this cutter.
Thanks for your time and consideration Warren you are the best of the best 🛠️🔧🚜😎
Shit, that’s good video👍👍👍
Really enjoy watching.
Thank you so very much for making them😊
Looking at the unit, loose one tooth and it follows the field of gears. Thanks for the video Warren, I'll be looking for the follow up on this project. Keep safe guy.
Hi warren, good to see you and the dogs out and about.🛠
I just started watching your CZcams channel and it crazy how much stuff you know how to fix it it is awesome thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you
Looks like its got its summer teeth, thanks for a great video as usual Warren
Had the same issue brought to my shop. I think they had bearing go out first and then it went into the gears. Only way to fix it is remove all the gear box sections. No way to make sure all the metal is cleared as it is open from side to side. Dismantle each section and pressure wash. Complete rebuild to do right. I replaced all bearing and it took out several gears like you showed in the video. 12k job at the dealer.
Oh make sure us new o rings between sections. When they leak there goes all the gear oil.
Thanks for taking the time to make a video !! That thing is a real mess inside. Hope you get to the bottom of it all easily. Take care !
I look forward to seeing the rest of this swather repair.
Mabe a new cutterbar is cheaper than too bay all this gears to solwe the problem. Looks like the don't have use oil in that cutterbar. Keep going with your great work!
The cutter bar on the older Hesston machines sat in a tray on the header and you had to remove the cutter bar to do that sort of thing with it. I like the modular design on the deere cutter bar, but have been unimpressed with the quality of deere equipment produced in the last 5 to 10 years. Love the videos Warren, looking forward to seeing the solution to this one.
You are right. The quality is worse.cant keep selling equipment if it lasts for years!
Howdy! I just got done rebuilding my John Deere 956 moco. My have 9 housings and I had to replace 6 whole unit's. It was not fun for me! My local has he fixing housing units. Scared me because I hate to get done in a small Time Warner can't afford that kind of breakdown but I got it fixed with used parts. Enjoy your street to the point content!!!
Hello Warren. We were thinking it's out of time. Those cutter bars seem to give a lot of trouble. We have repaired a similar one just the other day. They are a load of shite.
Those gears are a real mess. I hope you let us know what the result is after you get everything apart.
Great video Warren looks like a lot of work to find all of the broken gears and pieces to fix the head on that swather. Thanks for sharing your videos stay safe Warren.
I have always wondered how those things were driven, now I know. Warren , you are good at what you do sir, always enjoy watching you trouble shoot and repair breakdowns. I would like to think that those gears would be running in some kind of lubricant. Good luck on this one young man, the company owner that owns that machine is about going to have to sell their first born to cover the cost on repair parts alone. Thanks for the ride along sir.
Great video warren! You think taking it apart was hard wait until you start putting it back together getting everything all in time is fun.🤞
Your content is much appreciated Warren.
Thanks warren now I understand why some have a hole cutter bar ready to install. I'm sure lack of oil is a huge contributor.
Looks like a fun job. Sarcasm of course. Nice to hear from you. Thanks
Warren they don't come out the bottom! Each turtle has its own housing you must drop the hole cutter bar then unbolt the housing that's bad split them apart then the gears come out the side!
Having no oil in that cutter bar is the major problem,I wonder how many gears are " stuffed ". Hi from Australia,mate.
Darryl Digby-Smith I reckon the cutter bar completely stuffed! Big $$$ will be needed! Tho did the oil leak out? Or did the farm not refill the cutter bar?
Lack of care....
@@Adam-bw4lw That is for sure, mate, you cannot blame John Deere for lack of maintenance and or operators been lazy !
These bars only have a little oil in them. I think maybe 2 quarts. Put more and burn up the bearings. My neighbor got a new one and filled it up with oil and burned it up. One tooth comes off and the next tooth gets on top of another tooth and the teeth get shelled off
These gears turn about 3000 rpm and gear teeth go from one end to another in a second. Khun made this bar and some New Holland bars and the Khun bars. I have had all three bars do this. Each gear is about 400 dollars and my short bars have about 19 gears. I would buy a whole bar, may be a cracked tooth that will run a few hours and destroy it again. I spent a few thousand on about half the gears and got it to run a half of day before wiping out again. One tooth goes and wipes out the whole bar. The tooth gets in between other teeth and shit happens fast at 3000 rpm
@@jameslawson2292 Yes what you have said is true I use to run disc mowers in fact I am a retired farmer, BUT I am not beside Warren, but it looks to me if there is very little if any oil in that cutter bar ,now not being there my self and looking at the picture of the cutter bar I have a lot doubt that there is 2 Quarts of oil in that cutter bar.
Thanks for the video Warren. Wonder what in the hell they hit to cause that kind of damage.
Great video, I hope you show the disassembly and reassembly. If I lived near you, I would be there right beside you. But, I live in northern Illinois. Love this kind of troubleshooting and rebuilds. I been helping my childhood friend on his farm for 35 years. Thank you for sharing, Warren. Oh by the way, did you get an award from CZcams for your 100,000 subscribers?
Blij je weer te zien Warren zo als gewoonlijk goe bezig top mecanicien ben je eerlijk waar 👌👌👍👍💪
That’s some of the worse damage I’ve ever seen! Let us know if you get a story, I’d be very interested to know what could cause that.
I’m gonna guess he hit a piece of irrigation pipe. That’s why I don’t like discbines, they’ll keep going after a little damage so you don’t know until it’s major damage.
@@dclfarms6204 it almost looks like it could've been the lack of oil also, or from my understanding, whoever operates the machine is really hard on the equipment or doesn't maintain it, since he had to replace so many bearings.
@@dclfarms6204 thats why I like the new holland cutter bars because they are not all open to each other like that. Makes it a pain because each has it own oil but when one gear box goes bad you rebuild or replace it and go again. Its also more of a pain to get them apart but like I said the shrapnel stays in its own housing.
Well warren looks like your in for a big job! Looks like you will be dropping that cutter bar and splitting it to pull them gears out!
And every time I took one apart it had lost oil. NH has oil in each compartment with a $70 shaft between each one. The shafts would snap sometimes, but usually gears were broke too. The segments held together with bolts torqued to 580ftlbs, that’s tight
it looks like there was a lack of oil causing the gears to expand too much and braking teeth, i could also be wrong
I suspect the operator was going too fast in deep grass for the machine to keep up with the incoming crop and that leads to plugging up.
Once a tooth sheers off with plug up pressure and the continued use of the machine the rest of the gears have no chance because the timing goes out of sync and that leads to eventual catastrophic failure. Another fine video Warren.
Good info..warren mentioned the other machine was plugged up but survived..somebodys racing those machines i suppose
@@pootthatbak2578 Yes I am inclined to agree. over here in the UK we don't have swather's for mowing grass. We use tractor mounted front and rear mowing machines.
Very often, you see teenager's/early twenty somethings mowing grass as fast as they can go.
Then, when taking the silage back in a trailer to the farm they charge around our narrow country roads like idiots. You can see tyre skid marks on the road as proof they have had to brake sharply to stop and avoid a collision.
Looks to me like the machines were being operated by idiots.
Thanks for sharing buddy we understand you are busy it’s cool when you get time for a video it’s fine we will be here looks like this thing chewed up the gears lol
Green parts cost big money!
Hey Warren, nice to see another snapshot into your world. It was quick shot of the underside, but it looked like your skid plates were worn thru as well easier to get at them now. you're having way too much fun for me. Take care. do like you pup. I got a new choc lab man that dog loves to bird. 5 months old and he is focused a laser on ducks
Yep I’m doing one of them right now. I put a quart of oil every day in these things if it’s not leaking out the air tube is low on oil and that’s what happens
Ask who the operator was that last used the machine, and have him tell you what he did, did hit anything hard with the cutter? Can you tell if the bed of the disc is bent up ? What knocked the cutter out of timing? Lots of caked crud buildup on the blade disc and front edge bar.
Probably would have been better for it to catch fire as you were welding, replace it on insurance🤣🤣🤣
hey, work first, video as you can. I have no problem waiting, it always worth the wait.
Wow warren u can c they don't take care of their equipment god bless you and your family
I've seen whole sets of bar gears go in one mass suicide event Warren. Even on the smallest of cutting bars they fail. I don't think they need to strike an object either - simple wear and tear creates slop in gears and that slop resonates along the gears back and forth until failures occur.
Right….if they had “hit something” the top piece of the drive has splines designed to breakaway and allow the “turtle” to either quit spinning or start banging into other hubs. Neither would have caused this…..I’m bettin the bar has many hours, over 2k and no oil……disaster for sure.
Great to see you back . Hope knee holds up. Use lots of ice it helps.
I did the same thing. I just keep the farms going so my phone just rings and rings and I don't answer it. I can't answer because I have no time to do anymore.
Warren - hope to see the toothless discbine come together. Price would be a plus. Hope they got enough parts at dealership.
Looks like you have your hands full there Warren .
Full of jd green shit is right
Thanks for sharing .keep your head up Warren ,your doing a great job .
Take care
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👍👍.. been wondering how your doin feller...thanks for another video... we'll see ya next time 👊
Looks like its time to do a full cutter bar rebuild, combination of no oil/ metal everywhere you can possibly get all the metal out of it now without taking it all apart and inspecting it. I had to do it to my diskbine and Iam glad i did previous owner had a failure just like this one and when I disassembled it there was metal at both ends that I couldn’t have got without taking it completely apart.
Mine did the same thing a few years ago. Didn't hit anything. It was cheaper to replace the entire bar as one unit. Easy job that way but not cheap
We need to pray for our farmers.
Keep us posted on this project Warren 💪
Hey Warren. Aren't you afraid of fire, welding that close to the hay bales?
U braver then me I would never weld by that hay
Welding by the hay barn😂. I’ll never forget when I was a kid in elementary school, two older kids I knew were playing in their neighbors huge hay barn smoking, actually threw matches at a cat and the cat caught on fire and ran through the hay barn. It burned down fast. Old Justin and Mike payed a heavy price too the morons.
Had the same thing happen to mine I was running it when it happened . I didn't hit anything. Green junk is wright on the money
I don't know why but I would have expected that to be chain and sprocket driven.
Solid gear drive train seems great on paper but has got zero shock absorbtion.