Wizardry 6 Bane of the Cosmic Forge Retrospective

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    The Conclusion to my retrospective on the Cosmic Forge trilogy with the game that started it all Wizardry 6 Bane of the Cosmic Forge. The sixth game in the Wizardry franchise paved the way for new developments in RPG design that are still in use today. Join me looking back on one of the greatest video games ever made!
    Chapters:
    Intro 0:00
    Character Race 6:00
    Character Class 14:56
    The Ruined Castle 49:28
    Dwarf Mines and Giant Mountain 1:11:30
    River Styx 1:25:32
    Dark Forest and Temple of Ramm 1:48:12
    Conclusion 2:05:54
    Credits 2:11:04
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Komentáře • 109

  • @mindpilotthepilot9140
    @mindpilotthepilot9140 Před 3 měsíci +35

    You have no idea how many times I've used your Dark Sun video to fall asleep to.

  • @benisrood
    @benisrood Před 3 měsíci +33

    Nobody does gameplay/lore videos like you do, Michael. Brilliant stuff. Great script and delivery.

    • @johnisdead
      @johnisdead Před 3 měsíci +1

      One of my favorites ❤

  • @solomani5959
    @solomani5959 Před měsícem +2

    Out of all the Wizardry games this one most feels like a 1980s D&D campaign. Part fever dream, part creative genius with a touch of humor. And some technology.

  • @TheVerinen2
    @TheVerinen2 Před 3 měsíci +27

    HE FINALLY DELIVERED

  • @dfortaeGameReviews
    @dfortaeGameReviews Před 3 měsíci +11

    Hello Michael! Wow, what a thorough Retrospective! Fantastic work, and thank you for this. Wizardry 6 is indeed an amazing game. I hope others will gain some enjoyment from the remaster!

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 3 měsíci +6

      Thanks Dfortae! I've been a big fan of your channel for years!

    • @BriteRory
      @BriteRory Před 3 měsíci +3

      Your Wizardry 6 in 7 is a wonderful project dfortae! I've been following it on your discord for a long time now, shame I'm so shy to engage with anybody but just wanted to let you know how much it is appreciated.

  • @vicchopin
    @vicchopin Před 3 měsíci +6

    Just saw the entire thing in these last three days and oh boy... Michael, you're one **HELL** of a story teller. It seems to me you know the lore of the series like no one (and one can tell you played a bunch of this one and its ports) else does which is something to be truly proud of. The video editing, the movie/cartoons snippets and comic stuff are absolutely well done and add a ton of flavour to this - deservedly - long awaited masterpiece. Everything is well placed so to speak. The intro itself is a telltale sign of superb things to come.
    Gosh I have so much to say but one has to be effing loco to skip mere seconds of this magnificent artwork. I'm impressed. I usually don't do long comments, I'm more of a lurker online and all but not today, man, not today.
    So f*%$@ glad I found this channel. You seem to know your audience pretty well if I dare to say. Kudos to ya, Mike!

  • @elahem6940
    @elahem6940 Před 3 měsíci +5

    These longform videos are some of the best video game video essays on YT. Thanks, Michael!

  • @jermanator181
    @jermanator181 Před 3 měsíci +4

    This video is amazing. Full stop. I can’t explain how much I appreciate creators being willing to experience games and bring them to the masses.
    As for the community question of silence in games: I think the spiderweb software CRPGs are a great example of how well silence can add to the overall experience. Avernum is a great expansive cave network filled with danger and death. The crushing weight of silence while exploring always immersed me more than any orchestral soundtrack could.

  • @ciscornBIG
    @ciscornBIG Před 3 měsíci +9

    This is the kind of content I am here for.

  • @PaganPilot
    @PaganPilot Před 26 dny

    Love how the Demons all look like they're all dancing at the Disco Inferno, just vibing a good time having hell of a time

  • @Doagatra
    @Doagatra Před měsícem +1

    I've played this game through many times, it's one of my favorites.
    It's nice to see this forgotten series getting some attention.

  • @bookbagfox
    @bookbagfox Před 3 měsíci +6

    I have watched the 7 and 8 retrospectives so many times. Lets gooooo

  • @R0omwithoutawindow
    @R0omwithoutawindow Před 3 měsíci +10

    oh my god yes.

  • @DVX_BELLORVM
    @DVX_BELLORVM Před 3 měsíci +12

    While I believe that Wizardry 7 is the greatest CRPG of all time, Wizardry 6 might be my personal favourite game in the series. The EGA aesthetics and atmospheric descriptions from D. W. Bradley are just so damn immersive. The deep customization of party builds and random item drops has kept me coming back for one more playthrough for more than three decades. And sometimes I just feel like a challenging, straight-ahead dungeon crawler that won't take me 100+ hours to finish.

    • @fishmix2439
      @fishmix2439 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I love 6 so much. I play it to this day.

  • @misterkefir
    @misterkefir Před 3 měsíci +4

    Damn, this was such a fantastic video. You're great at this. Now I will have to watch VII and 8, too.
    Cheers, man.

  • @Rodrigo-fj7zj
    @Rodrigo-fj7zj Před 3 měsíci +5

    Your scripted content is the best thing on youtube

  • @BriteRory
    @BriteRory Před 3 měsíci +2

    Just starting to watch now, so I'll update my comment afterwards, but had to say that seeing this video in my recommendations made my heart skip a beat! My God, I've watched your Wizardry 7 and 8 retrospective videos dozens of times now, NOBODY does these games justice at your level, Michael. Yourself and dfortae are my go-to Wizardry guys when I'm unable to play the games myself. One last thing real quick, just my personal opinions on these games, I consider Wizardry 7 to be basically the peak of turn-based blobber CRPGs not only of its time but of all time, however Wizardry 6 is only just shy of matching it for me. I've gone back and forth countless times over the decades as to which one I ultimately prefer, and remain conflicted about it. With 6 the EGA graphics are spectacular, the limited scope and dungeon palettes are constricting yet brilliantly claustrophobic and demented in the best way, the dungeon master narrative prose is just as good, etc. I suppose my preference between the two is basically down to my mood, similar to how I feel when considering whether I prefer Daggerfall or Morrowind, for instance. Anyway thank you so very much for making another Wizardry video that I have no doubt will be awesome, and take care! I love your work just so very much.

  • @anonimoalfin
    @anonimoalfin Před 3 měsíci +1

    [ 50:19 ] Ah, those were the days! [ 1:43:15 ] Awesome writing, great stories, such a different world indeed! Superbly done retrospective, deep and poetic, nostalgic yet true. Actually just came to give you a Like (already subscribed since your awesome Wizardry 7 retrospective from years ago). I especially love how you truly appreciate and explain the deep mechanics, intentions and game-making ideals the Great Gamedev from the golden ages had in mind behind said mechanics, systems and game features. I, too, wish many of those ideals would come back. But they were brave dreamers. Anyhow, fantastic work. Much appreciated. P.S. [ 2:07:14 ] it's not only GoG and Steam doing a good job for game preservation, but mostly those few that, like you with these awesome deep retrospectives, keep the light in these dark times we live in. Hope you're doing well, Michael.

  • @nick_at_knight
    @nick_at_knight Před 3 měsíci +2

    My man; thanks for this video, Michael. Your scripted videos are second to none.

  • @dungeonchill
    @dungeonchill Před 8 dny

    Everything you said about the atmosphere and gameplay, especially the combat, absolutely nailed how it feels to immerse yourself in this masterpiece. Excellent work!

  • @Damienx247
    @Damienx247 Před 3 měsíci +2

    I love how animated the enemies look when in comparison to rpg enemies from console games from the same era. Also, I've been suffering crashes from the Wizardry remake.

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Hopefully when the project is fully finished they can take care of the bugs/crashes

  • @davidwright1577
    @davidwright1577 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Given how great of a dungeon master he was I'm guessing the wide variety of races from the Mystara D&D setting were an influence. Since they had at least cat and dog playable races in the 1980s

  • @angrybitternerd1832
    @angrybitternerd1832 Před 3 měsíci +13

    I kinda wish the wizardry series stuck around in the west for a bit longer. Wanted to see what else could be done with the weirdness and the added sci-fi elements. But at the same time I kinda wish some of the Japanese wizardry stuff got a bit more notoriety, like with the blade and bastard light novels

    • @fmsyntheses
      @fmsyntheses Před 3 měsíci

      I agree, but I really enjoy anime Wizardry. It's kind of my favorite way to enjoy the series.
      I think we can pretty much just play Wizardry 8 endlessly if we want the very best of 'Westardry'.

    • @angrybitternerd1832
      @angrybitternerd1832 Před 3 měsíci

      The ova was really good. But the main problem with a lot of the Japanese wizardry games is that not a lot of them get translated in the west@@fmsyntheses

  • @strayling1
    @strayling1 Před 2 měsíci

    Happy memories. In answer to your question early on, I played the game completely unspoiled when it first came out ... with one exception. I blanked on how to use the Tinkerbell right near the end, and resorted to calling one of those telephone hint lines. The one and only time I ever did that.

  • @TheCrawl
    @TheCrawl Před 3 měsíci +1

    I’ve enjoyed the let’s play content, but hot damn it’s great to see you back with a meaty scripted deep-dive-and on Wizardry, no less! Great stuff.

  • @cord113
    @cord113 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Do you think you'll ever cover Wizardry: Tale of the Forsaken Land? I still consider that one of my all time favourite games and would like to see your thoughts on it.

    • @BriteRory
      @BriteRory Před 3 měsíci +1

      Is it that good? I've had it ready to go in my emulation library for years but haven't managed to get around to it yet, but if it is a great game I'll try to get to it soon. I definitely prefer the older games, including the old Apple ][ versions of the originals, but I like some of the later Eastern games too.

    • @cord113
      @cord113 Před 3 měsíci +1

      I guess it's subjective, really. But I really enjoy it and still play it from time to time. It has good game play, great music and there's one part in the story (no spoilers) that actually moved me to tears. It was also the first Wizardy game I played, so I don't know how it would compare to the earlier ones for fans who played them first.@@BriteRory

  • @zpacula
    @zpacula Před 3 měsíci +2

    I'd say that if there a precursor of Kaijit, it'd be cat traders from Quest for glory. Meanwhile those in Wizardry are more akin to those of Larry Niven / Star Trek

  • @vicchopin
    @vicchopin Před 3 měsíci +3

    Oh gosh yes, YES!!!

  • @jackp492
    @jackp492 Před 3 měsíci +3

    Your the man Micheal

  • @cord113
    @cord113 Před 3 měsíci +1

    "Queequeg" is a character from Moby Dick. The name turns up in several other video games including Deus Ex: Invisible War (it's the name of a coffee shop who's rival "Pequod" also gets it's name from Moby Dick) and Metal Gear Solid 5 (Queequeg and Pequod are two of the chopper pilot codenames). Just a random bit of trivia for you. :)

  • @theakh4238
    @theakh4238 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Wiz 6-8 are very good with Wiz 8 as a fantastic cap. The idea that you can import characters from 6 to 7 to 8 is a neat feature. Side note: I once had a party from Wiz 6-8 where all the characters had names that were from the Wiz 1-3 spell book.

  • @THEFabianValenzuela
    @THEFabianValenzuela Před 3 měsíci

    I'm late but I want you to know you're one of the greatest youtubers I've ever seen

  • @sunsetriseparabellum
    @sunsetriseparabellum Před 3 měsíci +3

    Epic, hell yeah.

  • @cord113
    @cord113 Před 17 dny +1

    There's been a lot of warm weather recently. In fact we haven't seen any sign of Snow for months. I wonder what happened...

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 17 dny

      Working on Let's Plays for Temple of Elemental Evil and Arcanum

    • @cord113
      @cord113 Před 17 dny

      @@michaelsnow1 Cool. I'll keep my cold weather gear on standby. :)

  • @angrybitternerd1832
    @angrybitternerd1832 Před 3 měsíci +4

    Any plans on doing a retrospective on might and magic 6, 7 and 8?

    • @BriteRory
      @BriteRory Před 3 měsíci +2

      That would be awesome! Or the Xeen games, even.

  • @mikesol1162
    @mikesol1162 Před měsícem

    Well that was fun. Would love to see you give the Might & Magic series a Retrospective look some day.

  • @charlesdexterward7781
    @charlesdexterward7781 Před 3 měsíci +2

    The best crpg game retrospectives on CZcams. Should Wizardry 6 be taken seriously in comparison to, say, crumbling educational standards? No. If I'm watching a retrospective do I want it to be treated seriously by someone knowledgeable who at least likes the content without a hundred little "ain't this silly?" asides? Yes.

  • @gregtaylor9806
    @gregtaylor9806 Před měsícem +1

    Another great review.

  • @Anyone00TZ
    @Anyone00TZ Před 3 měsíci

    Saint Christopher was commonly portrayed as a cynocephaly (a race of dog headed people that Europeans thought to exist during the classical through medieval eras).
    Mystara , the default setting for Basic D&D, had a moon filled with Japanese themed cat people.

  • @Malkasphia
    @Malkasphia Před 3 měsíci

    Hahahah , i love the krull reference at 45:18 ....such a great movie! Ergo the magnificient.....lmao

  • @jim3541
    @jim3541 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks for the time and effort you put into this. Your scripted videos are the best

  • @Garner2415
    @Garner2415 Před 2 měsíci

    FINALLY! A new soundtrack for my dreams!!!

  • @thescarlettgirl202
    @thescarlettgirl202 Před měsícem

    Love your class analysis!

  • @alexknudsen2759
    @alexknudsen2759 Před 19 dny

    Love your videos Michael!

  • @WilfredBrimleyGaming
    @WilfredBrimleyGaming Před 3 měsíci

    Great review, love your longform content

  • @Grinnar
    @Grinnar Před 2 měsíci +1

    Vancian magic is always interesting to me.

  • @Drprophetius
    @Drprophetius Před 3 měsíci

    Dude, awesome video, hope to see more, now I need to watch W7 again.

  • @invest42morrow
    @invest42morrow Před 3 měsíci

    I admire the amount of work and organizational skills you put into making these videos. You are amazing

  • @da12ofSpades
    @da12ofSpades Před 3 měsíci

    Great video as usual!

  • @ivansukin721
    @ivansukin721 Před 20 dny

    Great review, great game, thank you! I always wanted to play 6-7-8 with the one party. Maybe, now is the time :)

  • @marianounzue2016
    @marianounzue2016 Před 3 měsíci

    A most wonderful review! Here's a comment for your algorithm!

  • @JerryListener
    @JerryListener Před 3 měsíci +1

    The first walk through I ever wrote was about this game.

  • @benisrood
    @benisrood Před 2 měsíci +1

    Hi Michael, just a suggestion: do try to use fades or mixes between audio cuts.

  • @kamineko7728
    @kamineko7728 Před 3 měsíci +1

    ty for the video

  • @georgemackay5735
    @georgemackay5735 Před 3 měsíci +1

    The River Styx and Swamp area are much more obtuse than the Empty Sack puzzle.

  • @pendantblade6361
    @pendantblade6361 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Aww yeah gonna get the popcorn

  • @kidocman
    @kidocman Před 2 měsíci

    This video is incredible. So much detail. QUESTION! what music did you play during the dwarf mines title card? Thanks!

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 2 měsíci +1

      The music during the title cards is one of the tracks from the obscure Wizardry 6, 7 Complete game for the Sega Saturn. I tried finding it again but it may be one of the tracks I had to rip from the games files.

  • @maxmuller6730
    @maxmuller6730 Před 3 měsíci

    😁👍 cant wait to watch this.

  • @cord113
    @cord113 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Yeah, I'm sure I'll get around to playing it one of these days...

  • @lartensgrill6106
    @lartensgrill6106 Před měsícem

    Hey Michael, love your videos. Have you deleted your older ones where you listed top films by theme or genre, for example, most depressing? I can't seem to find them! Take care man!

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před měsícem

      Thanks! I had to get rid of the really old ones because of copyright issues with CZcams.

  • @terrylyn
    @terrylyn Před 3 měsíci +2

    Lets gooooo

  • @MarieAntoon
    @MarieAntoon Před 2 měsíci

    Regarding playable Cat races = the earliest I know of is the Rakasta in D&D 1st and 2nd edition. Introduced as an NPC class in 1st edition around 1981, the race was later converted to playable via Dragon Magazine, which I don't think was an official entry but I could be wrong. By 2nd edition, Rakasta had official rule set for playing them, even though they weren't considered part of the main common races. (Note: these are not to be confused with Rakshasa which are evil cat-like demons, that's a whole other kettle of kibble.) Rules and a figure were included in a 2nd edition basic heroes figure set which I had around 1991-92. I don't know if this helps but it's all the info I have.

  • @josephbegley9148
    @josephbegley9148 Před 23 dny

    I actually played the Sega Saturn version of Bane (in Japanese). It was a little different in terms of game mechanics; for example, either the entire enemy party or your entire party attacks first in order, depending on the combat difficulty you chose. The Super Famicom version by contrast is much closer to the original while also fixing bugs and being more accessible, so it is the better console version in my opinion. Additionally, I thought that the Playstation version of Crusaders (in Japanese) was excellent as a standalone game. Most of the contents are exactly the same as the DOS version, except the game creators did make a few slight changes such as adding the Diamond Ring, Ring of Stars, Cameo Locket, and Fang which would be otherwise unobtainable (as there is no import option) through a well hidden chest in the Dane Tower and a hidden encounter with Bela.

  • @fishmix2439
    @fishmix2439 Před 3 měsíci

    Out of 6 7 and 8, 6 is my favorite. :D

  • @vicchopin
    @vicchopin Před 25 dny +1

    dude where are ya?!! eager for some news!!!

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 24 dny +2

      I'm working on a Let's Play of The Temple of Elemental Evil

    • @vicchopin
      @vicchopin Před 23 dny

      @@michaelsnow1 Nice. Hey have you heard about the 2002 game "Enclave"? It got an hd release on consoles a year ago. Totally up your alley imho , dear Mike!! ciao

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 22 dny +1

      @@vicchopin I do have that one. I played a few hours of it months ago and got my ass kicked in one of the levels, lol. I'm going to go back and try again when I can get around to it.

  • @Dropbearded
    @Dropbearded Před 3 měsíci +2

    Hearing how imaginative the Bradley games' races are is weird and pretty funny to me. If "human + animal" is peak imagination then that's just sad, especially since they don't seem to have any cultural quirks or anything else to distinguish them to speak of either. It's just catman or dogman or lizardman or (in Wizards & Warriors) elephantman or ratman. I guess those beat the bog-standard Tolkien ripoff elves and dwarves, but those are in the game too so..

  • @geoffchurchill5492
    @geoffchurchill5492 Před měsícem

    Dungeon Master had a cat man in the hall of heroes and a dog man and lizard man too for that matter

  • @lawfulstupid3924
    @lawfulstupid3924 Před 3 měsíci

    As for the earliest Catman race in an rpg, if tabletop counts then the earliest I know of would be either the Rakshasa, though I don't personally count them as they're not a player race, or the Rakasta from the Mystara D&D setting.
    Funny enough, the ones from the invisible moon are also samurai. Because why wouldn't those things all be happening at once?

  • @sanny87
    @sanny87 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Friggin yuussss

  • @ivansukin721
    @ivansukin721 Před 17 dny

    It would be extremely great to watch your reviews of the greatest Amiga-only RPGs: "Fate: Gates of Dawn" and "Perihelion"

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 17 dny +1

      I've been interested in Perihelion for a long time but never played it. I want to try it out one day though. Fate: Gates of Dawn I hadn't heard of but looks pretty cool.

  • @cord113
    @cord113 Před 3 měsíci

    Watching this encouraged me to play Wizardry: Labyrinth of Lost Souls again, and well, it's certainly a video game...
    Random stat loss on level up, side quests that are grind-fests for multiple rare item drops, main quests that give you no idea where to go so you have to either look up a guid or search every square on the map... Yeah, it's not that good. The music is nice at least.

  • @TikiCollection
    @TikiCollection Před 3 měsíci

    Does anyone know of a good guide? I picked the game up on Steam, but found it pretty impenetrable and I haven't been able to find a decent guide.

    • @michaelsnow1
      @michaelsnow1  Před 3 měsíci +1

      I used this one. Its pretty good and has maps too.
      www.crimsontear.com/gaming/wizardry-6/walkthrough/

  • @doublestarships646
    @doublestarships646 Před 3 měsíci

    There hasn't been a dark fantasy dungeon crawler Wizardry clone that quite matched the feeling of playing these games. There's been the Etrian Odyssey games, the other one that came out on the DS, and some indie titles from Japan like the Undernaughts game but they feel oddly not immersive that this genre should have evolved into.

    • @BriteRory
      @BriteRory Před 3 měsíci

      Grimoire is the closest I've ever found, as a successor to Wizardry 7 at least.

  • @benisrood
    @benisrood Před měsícem +1

    12:06 oh god, it's an argonian

    • @benisrood
      @benisrood Před měsícem

      Quick, hide the silver.

    • @benisrood
      @benisrood Před měsícem

      12:40 no, no, no, not a tank... you can't till the fields and shear the wheat with one of those

  • @johnisdead
    @johnisdead Před 3 měsíci +1

    Oh fuck yes

  • @hypsin0
    @hypsin0 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You talk about the text parser being neglected, but with the advent of language models, I expect we shall all be seeing a lot more 'text parser' dialogue from here on out.

  • @geoffchurchill5492
    @geoffchurchill5492 Před měsícem

    dnd basic had the Rakasta as a feline race

  • @shaftlamer
    @shaftlamer Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is basically rolemaster rpg 😂

  • @Toshiro_Mifune
    @Toshiro_Mifune Před 3 měsíci

    The Sun bleeds....

  • @MrSquareNeck
    @MrSquareNeck Před 3 měsíci +2

    Why cover 7 and 8 before 6!

  • @Luckmann
    @Luckmann Před 3 měsíci +1

    I may be touching a monkey paw here, given the AIDS-state of modern gaming, but I still wish there was a Wiz6-8 remake. I'd love to go through the entire trilogy as a single cohesive experience, likely based primarily in Wiz8.