The Answer To Weight Cutting.
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Was a pleasure to be part of this video gents, an incredibly important topic with so much to cover. Great work putting it together 🙌
If anyone in the comments has any questions, just give me a shout and I’d be more than happy to answer 🤝
Why don't they just weight the fighters right before stepping in the cage?
@@icarooliveira3856 this
@@johnmurphy5283 because the UFC doesn't want fights canceled 30 seconds before they're supposed to start. Also fighters would fight dehydrated.
@@icarooliveira3856 cause fighters would still cut and enter dehydrated, taking a severely higher risk of injury and CTE
Hi Tom! Thank you so much for your input on this subject. I was wondering if there is any sort of group trying to produce research for better protocols to weight cutting?
This video right here is the exact moment MMA on Point went from a novelty channel to using actual journalism to provide essential information to shift a change in a fundimental way. Congratulations Jason.
Been quite a few before this one.
They’ve been doing this for a while but this one is a hell of a video.
@@GrownUpKid94 Yes I know they've done long format indepth videos, i've watched them and Tommy does an absolute killer job. But this one Jason goes in depth on a current issue that can benifit fighters now rather than things that already occured. This one involves current medical science that is just now being reserched and the resercher behind it and people involved with the sport regulatory side of things on promotinal levels.
You haven't watched long enough .... we'll give u time ⏲
They have definitely done some before iirc
Really felt for Franklin there. Looked like learning that information was devastating
I felt like he should know this information tho. He's an executive
@@gardenboydon not a doctor
Honestly One and UFC screw themselves by trying to do more than what's done by the commission. People criticize hydration tests and usada all the time with how you can beat it. But no one blames bellator because they can say we follow what the government commission mandates.
Yep. Rich seems like an awesome guy, solid dude. It's clear he's doing his best and has had an impact already imo. Wish him the best
Rich is caught in a tough spot. Admit fighters r cheating the system. Or act dumb and surprised as if he has no idea fighters r cheating the system.
Have u watched Mighty Mouse fight a guy a whole weight class above him who both passed their tests and both supposed to be hydrated in same weight class?
29:20 Was concerned that Rich was just going to be a ONE mouthpiece, but when informed about the distilled water trick, he was genuinely concerned
Man was out of words for real
Yeah, it sounds like he genuinely tried to implement this for the safety of the athletes. I hope we can solve weight cutting one day.
wow very insightful. the moment Rich realized how things were being cheated and how that affects the body was heart breaking. he really is trying to keep the fighters safe as best he can.
Facts
Love how transparent he was there too. Imagine if it was the ufc ? The amount of bs would be amazing
You 're an " Asian " aren't you ?
Well said completely agree. Rich a real one. And is obviously doing his best. It feels like as long as there is an incentive, people will try to find a way. And scientists aren't always the most scrupulous sometimes, and can help lend knowledge to aid them in their attempt(s). It's rough
I think he's legit. I get the impression he may have realized he's being lied to.
I absolutely love what you are doing with the channel now. Hard hitting MMA journalism is hard to find. Thanks for making this video boys, keep it up 👍
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Incredible work Jason, truly happy too see this level of journalistic integrity. This is easily some of the highest quality MMA content out there, you should be very proud of the work you guys do.
And they kept it incredibly entertaining as well. Very solid work
As a former high school wrestler with the hydration test system mentioned in the video (Hydration test and body fat test), I can say for certain that drinking a lot the morning of hydration tests is more than common and unbelievably effective. I’ve never been the most hydrated person, but I’d down about 4 water bottles the morning of testing and passed all 4 years without fail because of it. That being said, the body fat check did prevent me from cutting weight on a few instances, so you could consider it effective. This was on occasion frustrating though, since there was more than one instance in which I made weight to fill a spot vacant in the weight class below me and was told I could not compete there because I had done it too quickly.
When I wrestled, we weren't allowed to cut weight, and we weighed in the day we wrestled. So you could cut 5 lbs, maybe a little more without feeling like shit but that was it, and there weren't hydration tests.
@@adamvigil274 We did weigh in an hour or so before our matches, so there was no rehydrating period before a match. The hydration test itself provided no more than a morning of drinking a ton of water once at the beginning of a season, so the actual matches and weights were likely similar between our experiences.
@sovietshady8659 then there is no problem you weren't killing yourself to make weight like they are. That's why I say make them fight the same day they weigh in only way to do it you have to force them to be safe because they are willing to die for an advantage.
@@adamvigil274 I don’t think you’re incorrect about that. It would likely even the playing field more than the current system and significantly affect fights like islam vs volk by preventing the bigger man to bulk back up over a day. Hydration tests aren’t necessarily a bad thing, but they aren’t particularly effective in most instances.
Maybe it's different because I'm not the one competing, but I think if that eliminates weight cuts, inconveniencing the athletes sometimes is worth it. After all, if it's actually effective it'll potentialy save lives.
I have such an immense amount of respect for everyone involved in this video, Rich Franklin and One putting themselves out there included. This is tremendous work.
Rich looks so different. I saw him when not listening and thought it was him, and had to rewind to see if he was named.
OneFC's action in 12 days is commendable, they wanted to react quickly to prevent another fighter death, but you've made it clear it's time to revisit. Yet another phenomenal video guys!
Exactly. We now know the solution they had isn't the right answer, but they at least moved to put something in place. Hopefully they can review and improve
water weight cutting 100% ruins the sport. Whats the point of weighing in at 145 if you step into the ring at 170?? I understand the need to cut weight but why not stay that weight? When Mcgregor fought in featherweight he would scale in at 145-6, then immediately gain 10 pounds so really he's a lightweight at featherweight
@@McSquirtsbro he would tower over everyone he fought. Milked it to the point of anorexia even before cutting weight. Cowards like him and Costa and others that use steroids and cut so much weight. They stand no chance without advantages. Besides when he cheap-shot cowboy and the Nate Diaz rematch, Connor never beat anybody his own size.
@@7ItalianStallion Knocked out all the little guys but got suffocated by the bear. A bear that was easily the biggest guy in the division. They're all opportunist's.
These mini-documentary style vids y'all are doing are fantastic and I am here for it. This was so well done, please give us more of these.
Just another reminder that these are not nameless faceless entities, but real people who put their lives at risk yes for money fame and championships but also our entertainment and deserve our utmost respect. As sports fans we can become desensitized to what we see however we should always remember that fighters are people just like us with families and friends who care about them regardless of wins and losses. Wonderful job Jason and the entire MMA On Point team.
Bit of a dildo statement isn't this ? Exactly why proper independent state sanctioned testing should be used and not some bogus idea thought up by some frustrated Illegally subsidised CEO.
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The only way to solve this is 3 fold. After thinking about this during this episode! So the General idea is.
#1 First we need weight classes at every 10 pounds which is reasonable. This would actually only be adding 2 extra weight class compared to the weight classes we have now. 170 is split up and would be divided into 165 and 175 and a 195 class would need to be added.
#2 when you sign a fighter to your organization you weigh them, then an unannounced weight check soon thereafter to determine their actual walking around weight, which then is logged and that fighter can not move down by more than 10 pounds in weight from that weight to fight. So if you weigh a fighter and his/her walking around weight is 163 then they can either fight at 155 or 165 but not lower than 155. In effect you stop weight cutting but encourage steady dieting like in camp boxers use. Boxers tend to work their way down in weight over a longer period of time because cutting weight MMA style for a 12 round boxing fight is just asinine and will lead to major fatigue by round 6 or 7, and in a 36 minute fight where you are taking constant blows to the head. When you compare that to MMA fights that are 15 or 25 minutes. 1 main event 12 round boxing match is longer than 2 regular 3 round MMA fights back to back and 11 minutes longer than an MMA 5 round title fight. Boxing isn't perfect but they aren't cutting weight the same way as MMA.
#3 TESTING + "MAYBE" SAME DAY WEIGH INS! So most importantly random drug screens must be part of the system with equal distribution of testing over a calendar year for every fighter so everyone is tested randomly 10 to 12 times a year. None of this 2 tests for Fighter A and 14 tests for fighter B like USADA does currently. But during the random test properly weighing the fighter is just as important as the blood and urine sample. The fighter should be no more than 10/12 pounds in their weight differential. Also the over all additional allowance of excess weight to say 10/15 pounds for weight classes above 185 could be tweaked since bigger guys can gain weight rapidly where as smaller guys tend to put on less weight. But you would need data to find out if adding a few pounds of allowance weight is justified for bigger people.
I agree with more weight classes, but weighing fighters outside of camp and limiting their “walk around weight” differential to 10-15 lbs makes no sense and just causes more issues.
By randomly weighing fighter “walk around weight” throughout the year, you’re trading a few unhealthy weight cuts per year for incentivizing a chronic unhealthy lifestyle. You’re essentially rewarding fighters for trying to constantly maintain near-fight shape, chronically maintain low body fat %, and reduce water retention via constant strict/unhealthy dieting and overtraining. And you’re punishing fighters for resting/recovering after an intense camp/fight, temporarily gaining weight/body fat, or retaining more water via relaxing their diet, reducing training volume, taking extended vacations/time off, etc.
Fighters go through intense training and strict dieting for weeks/months during camp to reach peak condition for a fight. It’s unhealthy to try to maintain that level of conditioning for longer than a short period. Expecting them to constantly be in near-peak shape and walk around within 10-15 lbs of their peak/fight shape year round sounds like a recipe for encouraging unhealthy lifestyles. Fighters already deal with injuries and health issues caused by overtraining and dietary restriction (sometimes borderline eating disorders) without the constant fear of random weight checks.
It’s actually healthy both physically and mentally for fighters to be able to reduce training, relax their diet, and temporarily gain weight/body fat outside of camp while they rest and recover. They shouldn’t have to worry about gaining too much weight when they go on vacation for a few weeks after a fight. Gaining 10-15 lbs is nothing after weeks/months of intense training/dieting. I mean, it’s normal for body weight to naturally fluctuate 5-10 lbs throughout the day just based on changes in water retention from your diet and water intake.
@@joshmorgan5933 it was just a general idea with just thinking about it for a few minutes. Like I said at the end everything could be tweaked to work better as more research is done. But I was using the NCAA wrestling criteria as a general starting point. But having a discussion is how we make ideas better. But fighter’s should not be cutting 35 pounds to make their weight class. Anthony Rumble Johnson is the best example of this. He was a 220 pound guy trying to fight at welterweight. But no one is asking them to stay at peak condition all year around just fight as close as possible to their natural weight. But if you fight at 155 you should not be walking around out of camp at 209 pounds. If you are walking around at that weight your weight class should be 185 or 195. We could also have allowances for out of fight camp weight gains but cap how much they can gain. So the system has to be tweaked to make fighters fight at their natural weight that is the end goal. So if your natural weight is 168 then 155 or 165 would be the optimal weight class to fight in. If you are 215 pounds you should not be trying to be a welterweight. The NCAA seem to have the most data about this but like I said I was just throwing out ideas as a way to at least jump start a conversation on how to better control these ludicrous weight cuts we see today. Cheers!
Multiple weigh ins throughout fight week is such an obvious solution to me. First day, third day, and day before the fight. Throw in a post fight weigh in too. Require that none of these weights are some percentage above the requirement.
Nobody can maintain a cut an entire week and also through the whole fight
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I wrestled from the time I was a little kid, all the way through high school. Weight cutting was always just part of the drill, especially once I hit high school. I can recall dressing in multiple layers of clothing, and running for hours the night before a weigh in, just to make weight the next morning. There were times I’d be spitting in a cup on the way to matches, just trying to get rid of any excess moisture in my body. Many hours spent in the sauna also. By the time I’d weigh in, I was so physically exhausted and dehydrated. After weigh in, I’d jam my body full of as many calories as possible. Sometimes I’d regain my strength, while others I didn’t. My parents weren’t aware of the extent or nature of how I cut weight. Cutting weight was never discouraged by the coaches either. Finally, it took me going to a doctor’s appointment, and the doctor informed me of the very real possibility of stunting my growth, and doing permanent damage to my organs if I continued the drastic weight cutting. From that point on I quit cutting as much weight, and wrestled closer to my natural weight. I had to train myself how to eat right again, as I developed a bit of an eating disorder. It was a challenge, but I definitely stayed healthier.
This is why my school district banned cuts until high school
Glad you got the help and changed your habits before messing your body up. You only get one.
When I was reading the first few sentences I was like "uh oh, that's a good way to get an eating disorder.." and then I got the the end.
Many of us were there bud cutting is part of the sport there's just smarter ways to go about it. If a coach doesn't know the ins and outs of a cut he should not be coaching. I know I'm gonna catch flack hard Cutts make you hurt make you uncomfortable, and breed the will power to push on. It's much more than something you do for a sport it builds mental toughness and drive more then anything else I've done before or since.
Fantastic, strong work Jason. Exposing this information to advance the science is very respectable: for combatting the inaccurate testing format, and for informing the health risks. Seeing Rich's response inspires hope that the organizations will also advance the situation. Your and Tommy's journalism on this channel is excellent and we benefit from your pursuits. Thank you 🙏
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This video was very well put together. Worth the entire watch, and the reveal from the PhD is massive. Glad it went the opposite of what I initially thought. Great job, Jason.
Weight cutting
Gloves
Two of the biggest problems in the ufc and i dont know why they aren't fixing it
Because getting rid of weight cutting would require re-shuffling the divisions which would be a major pain in the ass. Still worth doing but I can understand why they don't.
I know they're under a multi-year contract with their glove manufacturer. The manufacturer tried to buy Trevor Wittman's design and he said he'd only lease it to them, so negotiations stalled.
@@NotKimiRaikkonen yeah that's right... I saw a good CZcams video on Trevors design and it would be perfect but the ufc just screwed up the negotiations. Crazy
Thoe 2, and 3rd is the actual rules of MMA. The Unified rules cater to the grappling style more than the striker, and also doesn't punish fighters for inactivity like getting a point taken away or stood up more often, even from "dominant positions", in my opinion. I think the US should adopt a true hybrid of the Global MMA rules and Unified ones in order to even things out a bit. I also don't like that he fights aren't scored as a whole and I think that is a much more fair way to score a fight. Of course, there's gonna be tricky situations with that as well but overall I think judging a fight as a whole is better than round by round like Boxing does it. This is just my opinion of course
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I wrestled in middle school and my friend had a problem making weight so on occasion he'd put a sweat suit on get covered in towels and sit on the floor of the bus by the heater then he'd go from that to running laps when we got to the match and his dad was the coach I just look back at it now and I'm grateful no one ever got hurt doing that
Man I remember I was three pounds overweight and I only had an hour to cut it Jesus Christ was the one of the hardest things I’ve ever done tbh 🤣just out trash bags on me hoodie and I ran and ran got the weight off but holy fuck I didn’t hydrate and got absolutely mauled learned my lesson after that
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Same man I had friends in high school wrestling who who carry a spit bottle all day, sweat like crazy and not eat for days. It’s crazy that kids go through that to cut weight. It’s also surprising that more kids don’t get seriously hurt.
@@kristasimpson3139 I'd imagine it hurts growth at times somewhere within the body... All that energy needed for our teens to grow and develope physically & mentally being used for healing the body fast to compete.
Maybe more kids don't complain of pains because our bodies can be so resilient and springy during middle school & high school.
Wish I wrestled, but weight cutting seems really gross in practice.
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Hands down my favorite MMA on Point video to date. So much information and journalism about the topic that can really open a ton of eyes. Seeing Ace's face when being told about the steps to trick their test was both hilarious but heartbreaking because you can see the heartbreak and him just trying to process everything.
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this is incredibly insightful. And the fact you got to talk with Rich in and of itself is amazing. I miss that guy.
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Wish you could've asked Dr. Barley what he would have suggested to reduce extreme weight cutting.
I was surprised he didn't go into that, maybe he has an idea and is not willing to share for free/ waiting for the right moment ?
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I wrestled from elementary school until I graduated. The hydration and fat % test system was implemented my senior year. I cut about 8-10lbs to get down to 171 the year before that. During my senior year I was no longer deemed healthy to cut down to 171. (I was 6'2 at the time) and was forced to bump up to the 189lb weight class. It was frustrating, I wasn't a state level wrestler or anything like that but I also didn't want to get whooped all year by beefed up 189 pounders lol. But what I realized is a lot of the same kids I had wrestled the year before at 171 were forced to move up as well. It really wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm sure some of the more competitive 171 lb guys were upset because at the top level there would have been still big guys able to just get by still cutting to 189 instead of guys like me who were just barely past the mark to cut to 171 but in the end I do think it was all around better for the health of the sport. I was much healthier and happier not having run on a treadmill at night with garbage bags on and also it was nice not having to be miserable at school the day of weigh ins completely dehydrated.
Yeah, your ability to lose weight rapidly will decrease as you age. I'm sure if MMA were better regulated, a lot of fighters would be forced to move up weight classes as they get older as you were.
I've been a wrestling coach in the US and overseas for a number of years. When coaching at international schools, our opposing teams would have to fly in from another country, and even another continent. Having wrestlers stick to a particular weight class (e.g. "you're in the 171lbs weight class, you're in the 189lbs weight class) seemed unfair. After all, traveling multiple hours on an airplane will cause water retention.
So, we simply got rid of weight classes.
Instead, we would simply weigh in all of the wrestlers and create brackets of 8 athletes. So, one bracket could be "108 - 116", "117 - 123", 124 - 132" etc. (all hypothetical BTW) Since the wrestlers and coaches had no idea what bracket they would be in until after weighins, they had no reason to cut weight. (i.e. why cut 8 pounds in you are still going to wrestle in the same bracket).
As we got closer to the end of the season tournament, the athletes could focus on technique, not weight.
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Edit: That moment where you reveal your findings and evidence of cheating the system to Rick Franklin was wild
Great video. I think the problem is that we are trying to use a complex solution for a very simple problem. The solution is same day weight in, right before the fight. It instantly removes the competitive advantage of severe weight cuts and actually results in a severe disadvantage for the fighter doing it.
They worry its dangerous and guys will still cut so you honestly need to double up and do a weigh in 24 hours before and another cage side. That way a true cut is so impossibly stupid no one will try. It is that or abolish weight classes which won't happen.
@@nategalvan3907 Agree.
@@nategalvan3907 Fighters and coaches aren't going to try to fight while still under the effects of a significant weight cut.
@@milesmccall2301 wrestlers have done it and still do it all the time.
Then you should expect a huge amount of fights to be cancelled after you've already bought the PPV. Weigh-ins are on a different day so if they need to cancel a fight, they have time to let people know or possibly change the fighters, that way people won't waste like $80 on a PPV when the fight they wanna see gets cancelled.
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this is great. i wrestled in high school and we used the same hydration test and allowed weight cutting plan+ body fat % check but we still had a guy have a heart attack from weight cutting
What an absolutely brilliant piece. Thank you for all the painstaking hours or hard work and research that went into this. I know it's not as flashy and "best kos" or "biggest flops" but every fan of any weight cutting sport should take 37:46 and watch this video... like really absorb it and get something out of it. Bravo 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏!
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The irony of the Islam having been accused just days before this, is fitting.
Is it irony or inspiration lol
@Joseph Sedqy how fast do think he made this video lol
Way off. I guarantee he started his research weeks if not months ago. Islam had blood drawn, there was no issue besides Hooker talking ish
@@bobbywhite1152 Islam and khabib are literally known cheaters, I’m a fan of both and actually think Islam won the fight. But everything seems to forget how much they cheated pre UFC and even UFC. Islam was on roids when competing in combat sambo
That's the point. Emmet was so dehydrated and Jack Della was having muscle spasm and chills cause of it during there interviews on the weigh-in show
I have friends who cheat hydration tests by cutting till they're 3 pounds under then 3 pounds of water
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Amazing documentary! I was just as surprised when I learned how easy the tests are to cheat. And I learned this from a first-hand participant. One of my coaches is a One Championship veteran (I won't mention names obviously) who used to fight at flyweight. He would go into fight camp at around 68-69 kg. Diet down to 63 kg and then still cut down to 57 kg, which is 6kg of water cutting. Not the most significant cut, but still a substantial amount. It is an improvement, but still, a lot more work needs to be implemented.
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The post fight weigh in is a good option. You need to make the weight cut not worth it to fighters. If you have it 5% (or even less) that essentially means they have to cut weight for the fight day. Which most fighters will say is not worth it due to performance issues.
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@ 29:41 Shit....Rich was speechless...I guess he never knew that was possible...
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Great video, it pulls in as many people who could slightly care anout the tobic. It also teaches and gives information on every level of the problem (meaning every level of education on the weight cut topic) and gives facts helping solve the problem rather than vague opinions everyone can agree on for views and money. Well put together and pushes the problems as a priorty rather than opinon! To the weight cut topic and my opinion; at the end of the day its a business, people who make it to the level these fighters are at now know the risk of weight cutting, but they will agree to take the risk. When things like pride, moeny, and being the BEST of the best, people will do anything.
Great job to all you guys for you doing a dive into this issue
I think when looking at weight cutting, you have to remember that there is 3 factors involved.
- Safety: how safe is it for the fighters?
- Fairness: how fair is it for the fighters? Essentially, how easy is it to trick?
- Practacality: how practical is it for the organisation to actually implement?
Looking at traditional weight cutting, it favours fairness and practacality. It is extremely fair and cant be manipulated (apart from the DC towel trick lol), and it is very practical and cheap to implement. Just have fighters show up a day before the fight, and all you need is a scale. It is very unsafe for the fighters however.
Another proposed solution is weighing the fighter every day for a week prior to the fight. This has questions about how fair it is, how safe it is and how practical it is. Organisations can not afford to (imagine a card with 5 fights) fly 10 fighters out to the event location, pay for hotels for a week for the fighter and their teams, and pay medical staff to weight them in every day. Even if they could afford it, we all know that money would just be taken from the fighters salaries when fighters are already being paid so low. It could also be very unsafe for fighters as fighters would be willing to cut weight every single day. Imagine the organisation said, "were going to weight you in every day at 11am, and you have to be within 5lbs of your weight class". The athelete could just wake up at 7am every day, cut weight, weight in at 11am, and after the test, have some food and water to bring them back to their natural weight. This way, it actually becomes more unsafe because instead of having one massive weight cut the day before the fight, theyre having 7 mediocre weight cuts accross a week before theyre fight.
Now, onto hydration testing which ONE uses. Its realtively safe for fighters, its practical for organisations (all you need is a scale, some hydration gizmos and some doctors the day before the fight), however it seems extremely unfair. Fighters seem to be tricking the system all the time.
In summary, till this day I dont think there is an effective solution for weight cutting. And please dont say same day weight ins. Those have already been proven to be extremely dangerous for fighters
I don't think there is a good solution for all organizations
But thinking about the UFC
Would it work to weigh the fighters with the usada tests?
And monitor their weights during years
Excellent points. I think weigh-ins: Approx 48 hrs from fight (everyone already arrived to fight location anyway) again @ 24hrs out then immediately after fight (allowing 5-10% increase). The Good Doctor did touch on post-fight weigh ins possibly being detrimental, but in longer term fighters will have to realise that these severe weight cuts are dangerous & counterproductive & detract from their performance. They will smooth their weight management & be better capable to fight at their “natural” weight (whatever the hell that means).
The weight cutting, the gloves, UFC needs to step up and set the standard for safety. There are no problems, only solutions.
Great vid, love the deep dives.
Best video you guys have ever put out. I hope this video gets seen by everyone
17:48 as a nurse, we actually do learn that at least most of the USA is chronically dehydrated without even realizing it, so yes it is a very real possibility that most people would test as being slightly dehydrated based on urine specific gravity.
I would like to discuss your point at 35:40. While I appreciate your perspective, I feel it's important to consider the larger picture. It's commendable that ONE took steps to improve the situation, even if it's not a perfect solution as they had fights scheduled already. What alternative did they have? Do NOTHING? Rather than being cynical, we should appreciate any effort to make a positive change.
I understand that the issue of fighter safety is complicated and cannot be solved with a simple answer. However, it's crucial to acknowledge that ONE is at least attempting to address the problem, whereas other organizations may not be taking any action.
I would have appreciated more balance in your video. It would have been helpful to hear from heads of other organizations to see how they're addressing the issue or why they may not be doing anything at all. I felt that the video had a somewhat skewed perspective, portraying ONE as the "bad guy."
I completely agree. It’s very easy to criticise but what’s the point if it’s not done in a productive way. You can cheat anabolic steroid tests so should we skip those? Obviously not. One FC are addressing a huge issue and people should be looking at other orgs asking why they aren’t.
My thoughts before the video, the size difference between might mouse and adrianno when they fought was so massive that there is no way ONE's system is the correct fix for this. The size difference between the two is the largest one I can remember in recent times.
Thankyou for educating us on this topic better and more indepth than anyone else
Fantastic video. I love these deep dive pieces you folks are doing.
I feel like they definitely need to regulate it, and only allow a certain amount of cutting
yea at least weigh the fighters right before the card starts and have them be within 10 pounds of the weigh in from the day before. Just something or anything that makes sense.
@@jjjjunya6977 how about just have the official weigh in as you walk into the cage? Wouldn't everyone then be forced to fight in a comfortable and healthy weight class.
Can’t wait to watch this
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Much needed video especially with champions like Islam and Pereira really struggling to make weight
To be fair Pereira can easily fight at LHW since he bigger than some of the fighters in the division.
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Great video. Well researched. I like that you made it clear that, like most things, it is far more complicated than it appears
As a scientist, the idea of ‘everyone wants a simple answer to a complex issue’ really resonated with me and is painfully true in my experience. The more you learn the more true it becomes.
6:20 "Of course in high school and college, noone teaches us"
I'm somewhat of a scientist myself.
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This is without a doubt the best piece of content covering weight cutting period! Awesome
An excellent article, Jason. Thanks for sharing it.
am I the one missing something here? If the trick to cheating the hydration test is to hydrate, wouldn't that essentially be the test working? I know that people are still going to cut water before a fight, but hydrating to "cheat" a hydration test doesn't sound like a bad thing... Also, the whole point about arbitrary numbers for what is a passing hydration test seems like a missed point, we almost always start with a guess in the scientific process. Then based on evidence you either raise or lower the limit. Maybe they are arguing that the specific way it's setup doesn't work but like if you did a hydration test the day before and then did same day weigh ins, I'm not sure there would be that much issue.