@@NorroTaku oh look at mister fancy pants “I can afford an ice cube forge” over here. Most of us just have to throw ice cubes in the wife’s oven and hope she doesn’t notice.
Dear Tony. I will let you know, this channel has the honor of being watched at 1x speed, unlike most which get the 2x treatment. Best wishes from the Baltics
Same, there's so much more to pick up on in the video than most, there is layers of nuance just oozing from the screen which would be sadly missed at higher playback speeds.
Thank you Tony. The Mrs. has been at me for a while about dull kitchen knives .... I can now show her this video to completely justify the need for a cnc controlled milling machine!!! And just in time for Xmas!!! Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
You can use whichever has a suitable angle. The angle of the spot or center drill should be equal to or greater than the tip angle of the drill to avoid wearing the margins. If you don't have a spot drill with a suitable angle, use a center drill that does, and vice versa. When I was in trade school, our shop only had 90-degree spot drills, but all of our center drills had 118-degree tips, which worked perfectly for the HSS bit set we got in our tool chests. Of course, this tended to cause some confusion with the first-years, who would center drill past the pilot, rendering the operation "pointless," so to speak.
@@theofficialczex1708 Some good points there. But a proper carbide CNC spot drill with be more rigid than a center drill, and should have a greatly thinned web at the point for better accuracy. It's a more optimized tool, center drills are best left at the lathe if possible. And while not the best tool for spotting, a 90 degree spot has the advantage of being able to create your chamfer at the same time, so they are popular choices for production.
This Thanksgiving, I'm grateful for ToT dropping the occasional masterpiece. I do miss the days of constant ToT updates. Scarcity makes the heart grow fonder, though, making these beauties even more special. We love you, ToT, and always wish your best! Thank you for sharing yourself with us all these years!
He made me get an old cleveland mill. Then he went cnc. Then he stopped uploading. I already figured out how to sharpen a knife. I'm just here bc I'm on the hopper.
I think you missed a golden opportunity to make that whole thing a jig for the Tormek. You have a low rpm motor, so you could have powered the linear rail with a replacement wheel on the Tormek with a rod/angle attached. Maybe that's Part 2 of this video? You know, for those of us that don't have a milling machine to run it with! 😁
Well since the T-8 runs at 90 rpm, given a conjectural pivot point of 8” on the 10” factory wheel (or counter- balanced standin) that would mean an effective linear distance of 32” x 90 per 60 seconds. That’s 240’ a minute. Slightly faster than the CNC. Might need to step it down via an escapement (such as the Long Now clock in Bezo’s bug-out cave) to prevent TOT from getting his stropping block embedded in his other wet stones.
My wife *just* fell back asleep until that scene came up and she was not too thrilled when I woke her up again by laughing my ass off. It was worth it...
Technically, he tormak is going to produce a small amount of hollow grind because it's a wheel stone. A flat stone is technically superior in that way. Not enough to matter mind, but, better is better and I think old tony has earned himself a little excess once in awhile.
If you use dry ice to cut your hollow sections, you don't need to lubricate the burning string with cutting fluid. It's great for parts that need to be ISO cleanroom certified.
I loved your line about the Tormek being for people who love really sharp tools and not having much money. A few years ago I found a like-new Tormek at a garage sale with *all* the jigs for $50. I had to think long and hard about that purchase- must have been 20 or 30 microseconds.
I've been following a lot of creators on CZcams, but very few have consistently captured my attention and admiration, like This Old Tony. Your channel stands out not just for its entertainment value, which is phenomenal, but also for the depth of knowledge and the unique humor you bring to each project. What sets you apart, especially when compared to other favorites of mine like Team CoCo, Hand Tool Rescue, and Tested, is your ability to blend complex technical details with an approachable and often hilarious narrative. This blend puts you quickly among my top 4 most anticipated content creators. Keep up the incredible work! I eagerly look forward to your future projects, knowing they'll be packed with the same quality, humor, and insight that make your channel standout in the vast sea of CZcams content.
As a Tormek owner, I found this very interesting. Who else, but TOT would come up with an idea like this. Hope to see you build some jigs for the Tormek.
9:18 I don't see it anywhere else in the top comments, so I just wanna bring some attention to it.. The editing and splice of that square-tube cut gimmick was PRISTINE. Like I deadass couldn't see a cut/break/line (in the tube) before- and watching the flames, there's no obvious cut/splice in the video. Bravo ToT, that was a BEAUTIFUL edit you pulled off there. Your cutting shenanigans, somehow, keep getting better and better, as does your video editing abilities. It's certainly a gift you've mastered, and I look forward to what new trickery you come up with.
before the cut in video (when cubes are being pulled out) there were no cuts in tube. then you see already sliced tube and table kicked to make tube come apart. not much editing here, just clever "directing"
@@gianki83 In all seriousness, he probably pre-cut the metal before that shot. He set them all up neatly up against each other, then hit the table REALLY hard. No cuts, no editing required.
I LOVE this video. I'm a sharpening nerd and I have at least a couple grand invested in various sharpening systems, and I have sharpened other peoples knives for money. I have some comments: 1. I would love to see your take on a precision sharpening jig for a 2x72 belt grinder setup, since I also own one and I haven't cracked that particular nut yet. 2. With a precise setup like you have now, raising the angle for your finishing steps (i.e. highest grit stone and strop) by about 5 degrees will give you a significant improvement in cutting performance and longevity. 3. Looking at my edges with a handheld microscope at 60x to 100x magnification changed my entire understanding of sharpening and how various alloys react to different sharpening angles and sharpening stones. Before that I thought I knew what sharp was but now when my pocket knife is only shaving sharp (as opposed to hair popping) I retouch the edge.
*_Get away from the king stones and step into chosera stones. You wet them but don't soak them. The issue though with your method is your pushing the blade into the stone and you really should be dragging it. You want to create the burr. Pushing the blade into the stone is actually keeping it from getting a burr and keeping from its maximum sharpness. Once you have the burr, the knife is as sharp as it will get. Its just a matter of removing the burr without removing the sharp. So on your set up, apply pressure to the blade on the drag stroke, and let up on the pressure on the push stroke. Check out the channel burrfection. You won't be sorry. Happy thanksgiving._*
Hey Tony, marvelous video AGAIN as usual. You made mention of not wanting this to become a “stones” video…. BUT quite frankly I would love to see a comprehensive video on sharpening stones: the different types, what they are used for, the alternatives available and from who/where, how to use, what to use on (and not, like AL), etc. diamond, silicon carbide, other materials and what and when to use…. I suspect you could also cover sharpening tools, jigs and appliances at least as apply to the stones covered. Heck, just going over the stones you showed in your draw, proper names, and sources, etc.. a deep dive into stones ;-). Might include on grinders too. Different grit sizes and when to use each. Maybe it’s a grinding stones and flat stones video. You get the idea. I know I’m ignorant in this area and other might enjoy too. Thanks for all you do and Happy Turkey Day!
I love your 'cut' methods far more than can be explained. Each time you do it, it brings me back to the first video of yours I watched, I was a TOT virgin and it was showing a bar being cut using an ice method much like this one. I was amazed, thinking it was a miraculous means of getting such a clean cut, really I did. The mystery is gone, but the love endures.
fond memories of Ronald Finger doing something similar, wrapping an old, scratched-up motorbike headlight with cling-film and using a heatgun to restore to as-new. I wasn't really paying attention and told my uncle about this technique months later. then rewatched the video… he'd just replaced the component :D
Wait till you try to watch it and figure out how he got those cuts to work so well. That's not easy. It sounds easy, but it's a tedious pain in the ass to make those shots work, and he manages some pretty smooth ones for "some guy on youtube with a garage machine shop"
@@TheActionBastard oh, I hope I didn't give the impression I thought it was easy - and the fact that I went so long the first time thinking it really happened speaks to the quality of the 'post' work. The guy is scary - good mechanic, metal worker, video producer, story teller, comedian. If I met him it would be a "NOT WORTHY" scene right out of Wayne's World. We are fortunate he didn't turn to the dark side.
You know what the interesting thing was Tony? I was considering building something very similar myself. A reciprocating platen to hold diamond/oil stones with a jig system also to sharpen knives. What I had in mind was very very similar to what you made, just that I would have a small motor do the reciprocating action and it would be faster obviously, though I understand you were just testing this with your mill table. Those edges you got prove this is a really effective way to sharpen, the interchangeability of stones is the best part in the design. If you can find a way to power it and increase the speed by maybe 5x, you would have a quick and really effective way to sharpen almost any knife, at least any fixed blade that's not really small.
Another reason to get a 3D Printer. -Tape the stone to the print bed. -Mount the kniveholder at the printhead -Set z height for angle -Move x to move the knife -Move y to move the stone
From making your first knife for Xyla Foxlin, to making a filling vise for blade sharpening, and now a full project for sharpening knives (plus two (k)new knives). The channel is getting edgy. Good job as always!
Good timing. I spent several frustrating tens of minutes sharpening my kitchen knives today. They're better, but still leave a lot to be desired. You've inspired me to give it another go tomorrow
Man I have to tell you, that is such a unique design for sharpening. I have the cheap Wen water stone sharpener that’s a tormek knock off and it works great but like you said it takes forever. I may have to make myself something like this! Great idea Sir!!!
iv been using the string and ice trick for years, and it works great. Just make sure you use cotton string. sometimes you do have to tap it with a hammer to get it to pop.
Seconded. In addition, I've found it important to use reef knots in the cotton string. Regular knots can cause localized heating, possibly causing stress risers and an imperfect cut.
@@HangarQueen If your getting localized heating it's not the knot. I've gotten good results w/ kerosene over alcohol. Also helps to put the work piece outside in the sun for 30-35min.
@@josephcitizen4195 Alcohol cam make wonders if you keep consistent evaporation rate. I have made a DYI heat chamber to regulate air temperature around the fluid.
@@baumkuchen6543 mind blown! You're obviously years beyond me with this technique. I've prob only done it 4-5 times. I am/was happy with my results but I will deff keep the evap rate in mind come x-mas time. thank you!
Awesome build. I also vote for a windshield wiper motor. PWM speed controller to get it juuust right. You could also swipe a windshield reservoir and pump for your irrigation system. Happy Thanksgiving Tony. I'm thankful for all of he knowledge and entertainment that you provide.
I love this. I was thinking about how great it would be to have something like this just last week when I was working in my garage. It's so simple and consistent
Great video, as always, and I LOVE the humor. 6 months or a year from now, someone will have a linear sharpener like this on the market. It's a simple and ingenious idea, so much better than conventional sharpeners! And since you have published it, no one can patent it (but they will try, with certain specific differences .....) Thanks for sharing!
I feel absolutely betrayed. This Old Tony patented tangents is EXCLUSIVELY the reason I tune in! This video was remarkably in topic and coherent... The betrayal deepens. Et tu Tony?!
That was awesome as always, what a cool set up. Only thing to make it better would be a treadle to power it like an old sewing machine, I could enjoy sitting and sharpening knives all afternoon on that set up.
That's exactly what I thought, a foot pedal and some springs to pull it back would be such a responsive motion control system. A super simple and space efficient solution could involve a clamp to fix the main apparatus to the front of a table, an adjustable cord or webbing to the foot pedal, and a roller that guides the cord to the pedal
Great to see a new video! Shurap, a blacksmith from Ukraine, had a similar jig. But he attaches the knife to the jug and holds the sand paper. But you could check out the machine, it's pretty neat.
I feel like the inevitable final escalation of this would be to make a knife holder jig you can stick in the spindle in the mill, then clamp your stone into the vise, and run a program to move the stone back and forth and up and down the edge in the X and Y axes. This would be fully automatic. You could walk away and have a beer while your knife sharpens itself... ...After spending more time setting up the machine and tailoring the program to the size and shape of your knife than you'd have spent just hand sharpening the thing in the first place. But it's the principle of the thing, at the end of the day.
Wow, it's been a minute - but once again, Ol' Tony doesn't disappoint. Looking for that TOTMech system to be on the shelves at my local Heinous Freight in the coming months.
Get a small gear motor or old windshield wiper motor for the linear movement. A slotted radius arm could make the stroke length adjustable. Awesome video as always. Happy Thanksgiving 😃
I had the same idea but wanted to use a chain saw crank and a small motor to move the stone. I never made it of course but it did seem like a cool idea. Thanks for sharing
I dont know why you dont upload videos as often as you used to, but i want you to know that you dont HAVE to upload videos for us if you dont want to/are not able to. We will always appreciate you for all the things you have given us in the past, no matter how many videos you will give us in the futere
I presume it's due to the fact of needing to record them With Tony's editing style, there's probably a lot of ancillary footage needed. Not to mention the actual editing of said captured footage
So you guys obviously weren't here. Whoever watched his kids passed away, IIRC. His father-in-law or something. So he was able to record all the time until that point. Then that changed because of something he had no control over. Don't like it? Stop donating and/or watching.
@@BuzzingGoobermost people know what the deal is. If you donate and aren't satisfied them stop. Nobody's forcing anyone to stay here and you have no place to be upset about what other people do with their money.
@@BuzzingGoober From his Patreon: "I want to keep all content free. Consequently, this is a rewardless Patreon. Except of course for the beaming warmth that comes from knowing you're supporting something you like. " and he only changes you IF he uploads a video that month, any additional videos in that month do not cost you additional money. I support at the $5 tier. Instead of showing how thankless you are, how about be thankful we got a new ToT video today?
It is super easy to rationalize a Tormek once you take up *_woodturning._* Also if you want to freehand-sharpen on a Tormek, you can get the SVD-110 Tool Rest and Bob's your uncle. I think it is also included in the TNT-808 Woodturner's Kit.
Thank you for sharing the amazing ice-cubes trick at 9:00 to squarely cut aluminum tubing! I'm always more than ready to accept some expert advice from a seasoned metalist like you! I got a used Tormek 2000 (predecessor of the T-8) some 5 years ago for some 100 bucks together with a a lot of jigs, among them the pricy one for planer blades, SVH-320, when I got into wood turning where very sharp skew chisels and bowl gauges etc are essential. I upgraded my Tormek 2000 to T-8 standard, except for the stainless main shaft (which I will do next), adding my own poor man's make of the Tormek XB-100 horizontal base, which is offered as a pricy upgrade for earlier Tormek models. I also built my own very massive version (including some welding) of Tormek's - let's say very filigrane - BGM 100 contraption that now allows me to grind my tools to a precise geometry on my bench grinder using exactly the same jigs and adjustments that I will then (after perhaps a very minute correction) be able to use on my Tormek to refine these tools on the Tormek's wet stone and get them really sharp on the leather honing wheel in a minute - I think this one of the greatest, yet under-advertised, advantages that the Tormek jig system offers: repeatablity of the geometry of my first grind on the bench grinder when finally sharpening on the Tormek, always using the same jigs and adjustments. When wood turning I always have my Tormek near to my lathe in order to just very quickly get my tools really sharp again. I love my Tormek.
Why are you still using tools for wood turning? Haven't you switched to using a thermionic emissions heated wire gun yet?? Sharpened steel tools, what a quaint old fashioned way to shape wood! *disdainful laugh
ToT, you're a sharp fellow! My father always used cannon fuse and cold beer for cutting stuff in the shop, but the smell and the smoke was horrible, especially when he cut old railroad ties that way.
Your fancy knife looks like a "Shun." I've had a scalloped 8" chefs knife for close to 20 years now. My only regret was not purchasing one sooner. Fantastic knives!
Have that same Shun santoku. It only leaves the box when I can be sure no serrated steak-knife philistines are around to desecrate it while I'm not looking. Wonderful knife.
Tormek has a kit for your bench grinder. With holding bracket and guide bar. I use it for my tormek too, for the heavy grinding. Tormek is the final step.
A surface grinder uses a tape or belt to move the table back and forth. If you had a shaper then you could use it to drive the mechanism and it moves faster and has an asymmetrical stroke as well. Now you just need to combine one or both of those ideas with a template that moves the knife to follow the blade curve and you'll be fully automated.
A lot of people give up just before theyre about to make it. You know you never know when that next obstacle is going to be the last one. The truest greatness lies in being
On the Tormek you can actually use that trying stone they give you to make the stone cut coarser or smoother, it really makes a big difference, I was having the same problem but it works great
That layout reminds me of Prusa-style 3D printers, you could rig up a stepper motor and run the stage back and forth with a simple belt drive. You could even replicate that idea using 3D printer bits and lengths of extrusion.
Christmas came early this year! Thanks for an amazingly entertaining video. Now for Tormek and knife sharpening...I feel a sequel coming. Quite the art sharpening knives.
Thanks once again TOT fot a great video. Both entertaining and informative as usual. My other half bought a scythe that we can't get sharp and even, you've given me some ideas....
As usual your vids are excellent and a joy. I took a different tact, a swiveling pendulum attachment for the variable 2inch belt grinder. Still in the testing stage but with low belt speeds and micron belts/leather strop belts fantastic results so far. Not to take from your fantastic engineering for I so do enjoy watching, just a different direction of thought. Thanks for the many adventures Sir.
if your knife has a folding handle you can use that as an angle guide just keep the folding mechanism at a 90° angle scraping the table with the end of the handle. you can vary the angle by using thinner or thicker piece of wood under the stone. less versatile than this but does the job. great idea on the moving stone though
Oh man, those king dual sided whetstones are the best bang for the buck hand sharpening stone you can choose if you want to get into hand sharpening with a water stone. They last forever, cut well, and the 4000 side will put a killer polish on an edge, good choices. What’s awesome is they’re only like 40-60$ depending on when you buy so it’s hard not to go this route unless you’re super down the water sharpening rabbit hole already
I'd love to see it run at the same inches per minute as the Tormek. Perhaps a reciprocating saw could drive the unit with some stroke multiplying linkage. Great project.
@ThisOldTony Some years ago I did volunteer work in a woodworking shop, I used the Tormek to sharpen chisels, it's a fantastic machine, But the centre spindle was not stainless steel, and it can rust and split the stone. The spindle runs on nylon bearings which are replaceable. So your first job, for longevity of the stone and next video, is to machine a spindle out of stainless steel. Oh, and a metal polish cream like Autosol smeared over the leather strop wheel works a absolute treat.👌
Tony, when you set your bevel angle, you're not taking into account the primary grind angle of the knife (I'm guessing between 3 and 5 degrees.) You have to subtract half that figure to get an accurate bevel measurement. Love your work 👍 🍻
If you are into very sharp knives I can recommend the book "Knife Deburring: Science behind the lasting razor edge" by Dr. Vadim Kraichuk, the best book on the topic in my opinion. There is also a dedicated chapter on Tormek sharpening for different types of steel.
This is… amazing. I’m honestly jealous! I’ve been freehand sharpening for just over 8 years. I know that you can get those fancy jigs with tiny stones. But this, this will take any standard-sized stone and not even bat an eye. Aside from using a faster drive system, a 120-grit whetstone, maybe a shapton glass or Koramaku, heck, even an Atoma 140 diamond plate would get you blazing through establishing new or fixing damaged edges. The coarsest Norton Crystolon is also a 120 grit if you want to use an oilstone
Damn it Tony, not only do you make me want a bunch of Shop machines for my non-existent shop but now, You make me want tools machines that don't even exist! Also, it's all well and good to be a Jig enjoyer, but don't go off the deep end into Hootenanny's.
Tony, thanks for making my pie baking a lot more entertaining but damn it, now I got metal shavings all over my crust!!! Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
This screams to me, that's the dream in so many levels. Obviously the part of having consistency and perfect sharp edges on all my knives, but mostly the ability to build something just because. You sir, is my goal in life.
I think that precision clear ice would get you a cleaner cut than that shop ice that's been lying around for ever.
Damn, beat me to it
Also don't put your tube socks next to the ice cubes, they will be cold once you need them, rendering them useless.
I think the slop in the system was due to his fuel sorce. Precision would require a higher quality kerosene and probably so fine cotton line.
I toss mine in the forge for a minute or so
the results speak for themselves!
@@NorroTaku oh look at mister fancy pants “I can afford an ice cube forge” over here. Most of us just have to throw ice cubes in the wife’s oven and hope she doesn’t notice.
Dear Tony. I will let you know, this channel has the honor of being watched at 1x speed, unlike most which get the 2x treatment. Best wishes from the Baltics
Same here!
Oh I wish, there would be a 4x sometimes. But certainly not here.
@@kleckerklotz9620ahh, but you can...in the console in dev tools: document.getElementsByTagName("video")[0].playbackRate = 4
Same, there's so much more to pick up on in the video than most, there is layers of nuance just oozing from the screen which would be sadly missed at higher playback speeds.
You're a 2 timer, too aye?
Thank you Tony. The Mrs. has been at me for a while about dull kitchen knives .... I can now show her this video to completely justify the need for a cnc controlled milling machine!!!
And just in time for Xmas!!!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Seeing someone finally use a spotting drill instead of a center drill to spot hole locations fills me with happy machinist feelings.
You can use whichever has a suitable angle. The angle of the spot or center drill should be equal to or greater than the tip angle of the drill to avoid wearing the margins. If you don't have a spot drill with a suitable angle, use a center drill that does, and vice versa. When I was in trade school, our shop only had 90-degree spot drills, but all of our center drills had 118-degree tips, which worked perfectly for the HSS bit set we got in our tool chests. Of course, this tended to cause some confusion with the first-years, who would center drill past the pilot, rendering the operation "pointless," so to speak.
@@theofficialczex1708 Some good points there. But a proper carbide CNC spot drill with be more rigid than a center drill, and should have a greatly thinned web at the point for better accuracy. It's a more optimized tool, center drills are best left at the lathe if possible. And while not the best tool for spotting, a 90 degree spot has the advantage of being able to create your chamfer at the same time, so they are popular choices for production.
I see Old Tony, I click. Them's the rules.
So true
Darn right
It is the only way!! I'd wake up from being dead to watch a new video!!
This will be the top comment for sure.
This is the way.
This Thanksgiving, I'm grateful for ToT dropping the occasional masterpiece. I do miss the days of constant ToT updates. Scarcity makes the heart grow fonder, though, making these beauties even more special. We love you, ToT, and always wish your best! Thank you for sharing yourself with us all these years!
He made me get an old cleveland mill. Then he went cnc. Then he stopped uploading. I already figured out how to sharpen a knife. I'm just here bc I'm on the hopper.
I think you missed a golden opportunity to make that whole thing a jig for the Tormek. You have a low rpm motor, so you could have powered the linear rail with a replacement wheel on the Tormek with a rod/angle attached. Maybe that's Part 2 of this video? You know, for those of us that don't have a milling machine to run it with! 😁
Well since the T-8 runs at 90 rpm, given a conjectural pivot point of 8” on the 10” factory wheel (or counter- balanced standin) that would mean an effective linear distance of 32” x 90 per 60 seconds. That’s 240’ a minute. Slightly faster than the CNC. Might need to step it down via an escapement (such as the Long Now clock in Bezo’s bug-out cave) to prevent TOT from getting his stropping block embedded in his other wet stones.
That cutting technique with the ice cubes is total genius! Love your cube drawer!
My wife *just* fell back asleep until that scene came up and she was not too thrilled when I woke her up again by laughing my ass off. It was worth it...
I've never seen someone go through so much work building a sharpener after buying a Tormek, but I like it! Double 👍
🤣😅
Technically, he tormak is going to produce a small amount of hollow grind because it's a wheel stone. A flat stone is technically superior in that way.
Not enough to matter mind, but, better is better and I think old tony has earned himself a little excess once in awhile.
If you use dry ice to cut your hollow sections, you don't need to lubricate the burning string with cutting fluid. It's great for parts that need to be ISO cleanroom certified.
I don't think it was cutting fluid, I think it was lighter fluid, for the burny burny thing.
The lighter fluid is the cutting fluid.
@@roygrafton6322whoosh
Are you saying that with dry ice, just the friction of having tied the string is enough heat to focus the thermal shock? Neat. :)
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I don’t understand how you’re able to make the most basic projects so fun to watch. The aluminum strap driven by your table had me crying
I loved your line about the Tormek being for people who love really sharp tools and not having much money. A few years ago I found a like-new Tormek at a garage sale with *all* the jigs for $50. I had to think long and hard about that purchase- must have been 20 or 30 microseconds.
holy smokes, $50?! that's a much better deal that I got. color me jealous!
Really impressed with how neatly you tied that string.
not my first time cutting aluminum!
I've been following a lot of creators on CZcams, but very few have consistently captured my attention and admiration, like This Old Tony. Your channel stands out not just for its entertainment value, which is phenomenal, but also for the depth of knowledge and the unique humor you bring to each project.
What sets you apart, especially when compared to other favorites of mine like Team CoCo, Hand Tool Rescue, and Tested, is your ability to blend complex technical details with an approachable and often hilarious narrative. This blend puts you quickly among my top 4 most anticipated content creators. Keep up the incredible work! I eagerly look forward to your future projects, knowing they'll be packed with the same quality, humor, and insight that make your channel standout in the vast sea of CZcams content.
Sidenote: Happy Thanksgiving ToT!
You've put that into words eloquently.
Well said my friend
As a Tormek owner, I found this very interesting. Who else, but TOT would come up with an idea like this. Hope to see you build some jigs for the Tormek.
9:18 I don't see it anywhere else in the top comments, so I just wanna bring some attention to it.. The editing and splice of that square-tube cut gimmick was PRISTINE. Like I deadass couldn't see a cut/break/line (in the tube) before- and watching the flames, there's no obvious cut/splice in the video. Bravo ToT, that was a BEAUTIFUL edit you pulled off there.
Your cutting shenanigans, somehow, keep getting better and better, as does your video editing abilities. It's certainly a gift you've mastered, and I look forward to what new trickery you come up with.
before the cut in video (when cubes are being pulled out) there were no cuts in tube. then you see already sliced tube and table kicked to make tube come apart. not much editing here, just clever "directing"
Out of all the machinist channels i saw on CZcams you're the only one i keep re-watching your videos again and again
That ice cutting effect was AMAZINGLY well done! I loved it. (And I'm slightly proud of myself for understanding it.)
But how did he made the bar jump?
@@gianki83 My best guess would be a hammer.
@@gianki83 the internal stresses in the material cause the work piece to jump when they are released. pretty basic material science.
bro.@@josephcitizen4195
@@gianki83 In all seriousness, he probably pre-cut the metal before that shot. He set them all up neatly up against each other, then hit the table REALLY hard. No cuts, no editing required.
I LOVE this video. I'm a sharpening nerd and I have at least a couple grand invested in various sharpening systems, and I have sharpened other peoples knives for money.
I have some comments:
1. I would love to see your take on a precision sharpening jig for a 2x72 belt grinder setup, since I also own one and I haven't cracked that particular nut yet.
2. With a precise setup like you have now, raising the angle for your finishing steps (i.e. highest grit stone and strop) by about 5 degrees will give you a significant improvement in cutting performance and longevity.
3. Looking at my edges with a handheld microscope at 60x to 100x magnification changed my entire understanding of sharpening and how various alloys react to different sharpening angles and sharpening stones. Before that I thought I knew what sharp was but now when my pocket knife is only shaving sharp (as opposed to hair popping) I retouch the edge.
What do you mean by "hair popping"? Cutting a hair by pushing down on it perpendicularly?
@@somethingelse4424 when the edge apex is so fine that it can dig into the hair from the weight of the hair strand alone, that's hair popping sharp.
*_Get away from the king stones and step into chosera stones. You wet them but don't soak them. The issue though with your method is your pushing the blade into the stone and you really should be dragging it. You want to create the burr. Pushing the blade into the stone is actually keeping it from getting a burr and keeping from its maximum sharpness. Once you have the burr, the knife is as sharp as it will get. Its just a matter of removing the burr without removing the sharp. So on your set up, apply pressure to the blade on the drag stroke, and let up on the pressure on the push stroke. Check out the channel burrfection. You won't be sorry. Happy thanksgiving._*
Hey Tony, marvelous video AGAIN as usual. You made mention of not wanting this to become a “stones” video…. BUT quite frankly I would love to see a comprehensive video on sharpening stones: the different types, what they are used for, the alternatives available and from who/where, how to use, what to use on (and not, like AL), etc. diamond, silicon carbide, other materials and what and when to use…. I suspect you could also cover sharpening tools, jigs and appliances at least as apply to the stones covered. Heck, just going over the stones you showed in your draw, proper names, and sources, etc.. a deep dive into stones ;-). Might include on grinders too. Different grit sizes and when to use each. Maybe it’s a grinding stones and flat stones video. You get the idea. I know I’m ignorant in this area and other might enjoy too. Thanks for all you do and Happy Turkey Day!
I second this!
@@chasetuttle2121 I second any idea for videos from ToT
I second it too!!
yup i want it ba-yad
I love your 'cut' methods far more than can be explained. Each time you do it, it brings me back to the first video of yours I watched, I was a TOT virgin and it was showing a bar being cut using an ice method much like this one. I was amazed, thinking it was a miraculous means of getting such a clean cut, really I did. The mystery is gone, but the love endures.
fond memories of Ronald Finger doing something similar, wrapping an old, scratched-up motorbike headlight with cling-film and using a heatgun to restore to as-new. I wasn't really paying attention and told my uncle about this technique months later. then rewatched the video… he'd just replaced the component :D
I also started keeping my ice cubes in the fastener tray for speed and convenience.
I like to keep my ice in the oven, ‘cos I like it soft.
Wait till you try to watch it and figure out how he got those cuts to work so well. That's not easy. It sounds easy, but it's a tedious pain in the ass to make those shots work, and he manages some pretty smooth ones for "some guy on youtube with a garage machine shop"
@@TheActionBastard oh, I hope I didn't give the impression I thought it was easy - and the fact that I went so long the first time thinking it really happened speaks to the quality of the 'post' work. The guy is scary - good mechanic, metal worker, video producer, story teller, comedian. If I met him it would be a "NOT WORTHY" scene right out of Wayne's World. We are fortunate he didn't turn to the dark side.
You know what the interesting thing was Tony? I was considering building something very similar myself. A reciprocating platen to hold diamond/oil stones with a jig system also to sharpen knives. What I had in mind was very very similar to what you made, just that I would have a small motor do the reciprocating action and it would be faster obviously, though I understand you were just testing this with your mill table.
Those edges you got prove this is a really effective way to sharpen, the interchangeability of stones is the best part in the design. If you can find a way to power it and increase the speed by maybe 5x, you would have a quick and really effective way to sharpen almost any knife, at least any fixed blade that's not really small.
I love your creativity. Thank you Tony.
Another reason to get a 3D Printer.
-Tape the stone to the print bed.
-Mount the kniveholder at the printhead
-Set z height for angle
-Move x to move the knife
-Move y to move the stone
You could strop with a z-hop. :)
@@stazeIIand you don't even care about the thickness using a Z probe
-Hit the "GO" button
-Run for your life! 😜
He already has a milling machine, should have just put the stone in the vice and made a spindle mounted knife holder.
Pure genius
From making your first knife for Xyla Foxlin, to making a filling vise for blade sharpening, and now a full project for sharpening knives (plus two (k)new knives). The channel is getting edgy.
Good job as always!
> making your first knife
Meanwhile at 16:04: "this knife I made probably 10 years ago"
Uh oh, the jig is up ☺️
@@Koushakurremember he occasionally time travels, so nothing is for certain.. 😉
@@KoushakurI think the Xyla knife was his first folding knife
Good timing. I spent several frustrating tens of minutes sharpening my kitchen knives today. They're better, but still leave a lot to be desired. You've inspired me to give it another go tomorrow
Man I have to tell you, that is such a unique design for sharpening. I have the cheap Wen water stone sharpener that’s a tormek knock off and it works great but like you said it takes forever. I may have to make myself something like this! Great idea Sir!!!
iv been using the string and ice trick for years, and it works great. Just make sure you use cotton string. sometimes you do have to tap it with a hammer to get it to pop.
Seconded. In addition, I've found it important to use reef knots in the cotton string. Regular knots can cause localized heating, possibly causing stress risers and an imperfect cut.
FYI dental floss also works in a pinch
@@HangarQueen If your getting localized heating it's not the knot. I've gotten good results w/ kerosene over alcohol. Also helps to put the work piece outside in the sun for 30-35min.
@@josephcitizen4195 Alcohol cam make wonders if you keep consistent evaporation rate. I have made a DYI heat chamber to regulate air temperature around the fluid.
@@baumkuchen6543 mind blown! You're obviously years beyond me with this technique. I've prob only done it 4-5 times. I am/was happy with my results but I will deff keep the evap rate in mind come x-mas time. thank you!
Awesome build. I also vote for a windshield wiper motor. PWM speed controller to get it juuust right.
You could also swipe a windshield reservoir and pump for your irrigation system.
Happy Thanksgiving Tony. I'm thankful for all of he knowledge and entertainment that you provide.
Or just strap the knife sharpener to the hood, and open a roadside sharpening service.
I love this. I was thinking about how great it would be to have something like this just last week when I was working in my garage. It's so simple and consistent
Great video, as always, and I LOVE the humor. 6 months or a year from now, someone will have a linear sharpener like this on the market. It's a simple and ingenious idea, so much better than conventional sharpeners! And since you have published it, no one can patent it (but they will try, with certain specific differences .....) Thanks for sharing!
I feel absolutely betrayed. This Old Tony patented tangents is EXCLUSIVELY the reason I tune in!
This video was remarkably in topic and coherent... The betrayal deepens. Et tu Tony?!
I would love to see how you can make the Tormek more complicated and expensive by making homemade jigs.
challenge accepted!
This is exactly why I love CZcams! You learn new tricks…what you did with the string and ice….can’t wait to try this out.
Everytime one i see one of Tony's videos has droppeed, I have a moment of pure joy. Much love from down under
That was awesome as always, what a cool set up.
Only thing to make it better would be a treadle to power it like an old sewing machine, I could enjoy sitting and sharpening knives all afternoon on that set up.
More or less that was what I was thinking
I envisioned powering it with a small bench mounted steam engine. You could run it using compressed air if you didn't want to set up a boiler...
That's exactly what I thought, a foot pedal and some springs to pull it back would be such a responsive motion control system.
A super simple and space efficient solution could involve a clamp to fix the main apparatus to the front of a table, an adjustable cord or webbing to the foot pedal, and a roller that guides the cord to the pedal
I was thinking along the lines of using a shaper machine.
I'm thinking that using a rocking chair wold give a good relaxing time while sharpening. .
I legitimately look forward to all of your videos TOT. I got hooked on cutting edge engineering's channel while I wait. Happy Thanksgiving
Great to see a new video!
Shurap, a blacksmith from Ukraine, had a similar jig. But he attaches the knife to the jug and holds the sand paper. But you could check out the machine, it's pretty neat.
I had to explain "The Reader's Digest Version" to someone the other day. This made me chuckle. Love a good ToT episode!
I feel like the inevitable final escalation of this would be to make a knife holder jig you can stick in the spindle in the mill, then clamp your stone into the vise, and run a program to move the stone back and forth and up and down the edge in the X and Y axes. This would be fully automatic. You could walk away and have a beer while your knife sharpens itself...
...After spending more time setting up the machine and tailoring the program to the size and shape of your knife than you'd have spent just hand sharpening the thing in the first place.
But it's the principle of the thing, at the end of the day.
Top quality as always TOT! Thanks for a truly ingenious build and entertaining video!
Your content never fails to provide laughs and learning. Your wit is unmatched!
Yay! ToT on Turkey Day? Hell yeah, I'm thankful AF! The editing at 9:21 is perfectly executed, by the way! Well done!
Wow, it's been a minute - but once again, Ol' Tony doesn't disappoint. Looking for that TOTMech system to be on the shelves at my local Heinous Freight in the coming months.
Thank you for another awesome video, Mr. This!
Truly a nice piece of kit (the home-brew sharpening station). Definitely building me one.
It’s always a great day when ToT uploads, hope your having a great thanksgiving man
Get a small gear motor or old windshield wiper motor for the linear movement. A slotted radius arm could make the stroke length adjustable.
Awesome video as always. Happy Thanksgiving 😃
My thouts exactly
beautifully done on the ice thing Tony!
I had the same idea but wanted to use a chain saw crank and a small motor to move the stone. I never made it of course but it did seem like a cool idea. Thanks for sharing
I dont know why you dont upload videos as often as you used to, but i want you to know that you dont HAVE to upload videos for us if you dont want to/are not able to. We will always appreciate you for all the things you have given us in the past, no matter how many videos you will give us in the futere
I presume it's due to the fact of needing to record them
With Tony's editing style, there's probably a lot of ancillary footage needed. Not to mention the actual editing of said captured footage
@Spiker985Studios he shouldnt accept patreon if he isnt willing to produce content.
So you guys obviously weren't here. Whoever watched his kids passed away, IIRC. His father-in-law or something. So he was able to record all the time until that point. Then that changed because of something he had no control over. Don't like it? Stop donating and/or watching.
@@BuzzingGoobermost people know what the deal is. If you donate and aren't satisfied them stop. Nobody's forcing anyone to stay here and you have no place to be upset about what other people do with their money.
@@BuzzingGoober From his Patreon: "I want to keep all content free. Consequently, this is a rewardless Patreon. Except of course for the beaming warmth that comes from knowing you're supporting something you like. " and he only changes you IF he uploads a video that month, any additional videos in that month do not cost you additional money. I support at the $5 tier. Instead of showing how thankless you are, how about be thankful we got a new ToT video today?
It is super easy to rationalize a Tormek once you take up *_woodturning._*
Also if you want to freehand-sharpen on a Tormek, you can get the SVD-110 Tool Rest and Bob's your uncle. I think it is also included in the TNT-808 Woodturner's Kit.
As always, like piece of art!
Thank you for sharing the amazing ice-cubes trick at 9:00 to squarely cut aluminum tubing! I'm always more than ready to accept some expert advice from a seasoned metalist like you!
I got a used Tormek 2000 (predecessor of the T-8) some 5 years ago for some 100 bucks together with a a lot of jigs, among them the pricy one for planer blades, SVH-320, when I got into wood turning where very sharp skew chisels and bowl gauges etc are essential. I upgraded my Tormek 2000 to T-8 standard, except for the stainless main shaft (which I will do next), adding my own poor man's make of the Tormek XB-100 horizontal base, which is offered as a pricy upgrade for earlier Tormek models.
I also built my own very massive version (including some welding) of Tormek's - let's say very filigrane - BGM 100 contraption that now allows me to grind my tools to a precise geometry on my bench grinder using exactly the same jigs and adjustments that I will then (after perhaps a very minute correction) be able to use on my Tormek to refine these tools on the Tormek's wet stone and get them really sharp on the leather honing wheel in a minute - I think this one of the greatest, yet under-advertised, advantages that the Tormek jig system offers: repeatablity of the geometry of my first grind on the bench grinder when finally sharpening on the Tormek, always using the same jigs and adjustments.
When wood turning I always have my Tormek near to my lathe in order to just very quickly get my tools really sharp again. I love my Tormek.
Why are you still using tools for wood turning?
Haven't you switched to using a thermionic emissions heated wire gun yet??
Sharpened steel tools, what a quaint old fashioned way to shape wood! *disdainful laugh
Today I was going to be thankful for my family but then this upload dropped and now they're taking a back seat
Dude, never stop making videos!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
Thank you Mr. Old Tony. Another great presentation. You still got the stuff.
ToT, you're a sharp fellow!
My father always used cannon fuse and cold beer for cutting stuff in the shop, but the smell and the smoke was horrible, especially when he cut old railroad ties that way.
Your fancy knife looks like a "Shun." I've had a scalloped 8" chefs knife for close to 20 years now. My only regret was not purchasing one sooner. Fantastic knives!
Have that same Shun santoku. It only leaves the box when I can be sure no serrated steak-knife philistines are around to desecrate it while I'm not looking. Wonderful knife.
Has Shun fixed their heat treating yet? Their older VG-10 knives were overhardened and chipped with even light use.
Tormek has a kit for your bench grinder. With holding bracket and guide bar. I use it for my tormek too, for the heavy grinding. Tormek is the final step.
I'll stick with ToTmek.
@@matthewellisor5835that sounds like a mecha Tony sent from the future where CNC machines have taken control
A surface grinder uses a tape or belt to move the table back and forth. If you had a shaper then you could use it to drive the mechanism and it moves faster and has an asymmetrical stroke as well. Now you just need to combine one or both of those ideas with a template that moves the knife to follow the blade curve and you'll be fully automated.
A lot of people give up just before theyre about to make it. You know you never know when that next obstacle is going to be the last one.
The truest greatness lies in being
On the Tormek you can actually use that trying stone they give you to make the stone cut coarser or smoother, it really makes a big difference, I was having the same problem but it works great
Hands down the best looking edge I've seen on a homemade knife, ever. This video definitely deserves a follow up.
Love the linear grinder. And would really like to see a tormek jig for clipper blades.
Dear TOT, hope your Thanksgiving was great. It's always great to see a video from you. Also, Merry Christmas.
That layout reminds me of Prusa-style 3D printers, you could rig up a stepper motor and run the stage back and forth with a simple belt drive. You could even replicate that idea using 3D printer bits and lengths of extrusion.
or get a wiper motor from the wreckers
Having This Old Tony notifications on isn’t fast enough. I need it beamed into my brain.
I hear Neuralink are doing human trials now, so you're in luck!
Christmas came early this year! Thanks for an amazingly entertaining video.
Now for Tormek and knife sharpening...I feel a sequel coming. Quite the art sharpening knives.
Love the CNC powered stone shaker
i'd love to see this contraption powered by one of these old sowing machine food pedals, would kinda fit it better than a cnc mill.
professional knife maker here, they are pretty good for first attempts - sure my lathe work would be worse
Thanks once again TOT fot a great video. Both entertaining and informative as usual. My other half bought a scythe that we can't get sharp and even, you've given me some ideas....
I'm really happy someone finally did this because it's been on my mind too for many many years
As usual your vids are excellent and a joy. I took a different tact, a swiveling pendulum attachment for the variable 2inch belt grinder. Still in the testing stage but with low belt speeds and micron belts/leather strop belts fantastic results so far. Not to take from your fantastic engineering for I so do enjoy watching, just a different direction of thought. Thanks for the many adventures Sir.
Finally a new video! Love your Videos and they realy got me started on wanting to machine at home.
I've been running a Tormek for about 25-30 years now, and honestly wouldn't want to live without one. One of my most important tools.
Those ice cutting special effects are just flawless!
damn TOT your metal cutting techniques are a pleasure to watch keep it up and thanks for the vid.
if your knife has a folding handle you can use that as an angle guide just keep the folding mechanism at a 90° angle scraping the table with the end of the handle. you can vary the angle by using thinner or thicker piece of wood under the stone. less versatile than this but does the job. great idea on the moving stone though
I'm thankful for a new TOT video!
Oh man, those king dual sided whetstones are the best bang for the buck hand sharpening stone you can choose if you want to get into hand sharpening with a water stone. They last forever, cut well, and the 4000 side will put a killer polish on an edge, good choices. What’s awesome is they’re only like 40-60$ depending on when you buy so it’s hard not to go this route unless you’re super down the water sharpening rabbit hole already
I love the magic of the first cut you do and dont want it ruined, but as someone learning video and image editing i really want a behind the scenes
I'd love to see it run at the same inches per minute as the Tormek. Perhaps a reciprocating saw could drive the unit with some stroke multiplying linkage. Great project.
the stone would have to move, full stroke, about 10 times per second!
Variable speed of course! Zip tie the trigger at juuust the right amount.
What's 600rpm among friends?@@ThisOldTony
@ThisOldTony Some years ago I did volunteer work in a woodworking shop, I used the Tormek to sharpen chisels, it's a fantastic machine, But the centre spindle was not stainless steel, and it can rust and split the stone. The spindle runs on nylon bearings which are replaceable. So your first job, for longevity of the stone and next video, is to machine a spindle out of stainless steel.
Oh, and a metal polish cream like Autosol smeared over the leather strop wheel works a absolute treat.👌
I have used many methods to cut aluminum and your way is the cleanest I have ever seen
Tony, when you set your bevel angle, you're not taking into account the primary grind angle of the knife (I'm guessing between 3 and 5 degrees.)
You have to subtract half that figure to get an accurate bevel measurement.
Love your work 👍 🍻
FYI, the best Japanese knife making houses use large, spinning, flat discs of abrasive in a water bath to do final sharpening.
If you are into very sharp knives I can recommend the book "Knife Deburring: Science behind the lasting razor edge" by Dr. Vadim Kraichuk, the best book on the topic in my opinion. There is also a dedicated chapter on Tormek sharpening for different types of steel.
This is… amazing. I’m honestly jealous! I’ve been freehand sharpening for just over 8 years. I know that you can get those fancy jigs with tiny stones. But this, this will take any standard-sized stone and not even bat an eye. Aside from using a faster drive system, a 120-grit whetstone, maybe a shapton glass or Koramaku, heck, even an Atoma 140 diamond plate would get you blazing through establishing new or fixing damaged edges. The coarsest Norton Crystolon is also a 120 grit if you want to use an oilstone
Interesting. I've also been sharpening for just over 8 years.
With the consistency of that jig, the atoma 140 would set the bevel in just a few passes. That would be super handy.
Flawless as always Tony.
You're the best, Tony. We loves ya.
Damn it Tony, not only do you make me want a bunch of Shop machines for my non-existent shop but now, You make me want tools machines that don't even exist!
Also, it's all well and good to be a Jig enjoyer, but don't go off the deep end into Hootenanny's.
Tony, thanks for making my pie baking a lot more entertaining but damn it, now I got metal shavings all over my crust!!!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
Thanks! I always look forward to your videos!
this looks great. my kitchen knives were getting a bit dull so I've decided to build one for myself. just waiting on the CNC mill getting delivered.
Just want to say I really appreciate the time you put into these videos, it shows
Thanks LAR!
This screams to me, that's the dream in so many levels. Obviously the part of having consistency and perfect sharp edges on all my knives, but mostly the ability to build something just because. You sir, is my goal in life.
thanks M'2127!
You know it’s gonna be a good day when this ol Tony drops another vid. Thanks man. I was feening for it lol.
I hear ya. My Coral Frontex is always jumpy around sharp knives, drill swarf, and those ominous wood splinters.