March 13, 1992 - LSU vs. Tennessee Carlus Groves grabs and pulls away Shaquille O'Neal, that sparks a huge brawl. Shaq had 16 points, 16 rebounds, 2 blocks.
@@Drumpro31lol wtf are you talking about? That wasn’t a dangerous foul at all. Shaq tried to gather and go into a dunk but he pulled him back as he barely got 2 feet off the ground
LOL!.....yeah, and I think Shaq overreacted to how this guy fouled him........glad to see Shaq get ejected......as far as Groves, well, I really don't think he deserved to get ejected......his foul on Shaq, although not a traditional foul, was not done in ill attempt.....he was just realizing an easy dunk was coming so he decided to simply grab Shaq at the waist.....sure, its annoying, but not fist throwing worthy.......
I was at this game. A day or two before, when the LSU team arrived at my university (Samford) to practice for the tourney, I was the first one to shake Shaq's hand when he got off the bus. He was wearing a J.J. from Good Times hat. At the end of the practice, he did a Dominque type windmill dunk, which amazed everybody.
I played against him and scored 18, but he got the buckets when it counted, and his team beat us and sent us home by such a close margin that i could feel every mile😢
And should’ve have been kicked out for pushing an opposing team player who simply grab Shaq to prevent in from scoring and immediately got elbow in the face
@@redtidepeoms2987nah nah. Fuck all that soft shit. Let the players talk their shit and play with some passion. Not a lot of players nowadays both pro and college really play with that raw passion. You can’t “control” how you react whenever you get hyped. Imagine really dunking on somebody in front of your peers and having the discipline to not look or even say anything to the guy you just t-bagged. That’s the most unathletic, 60’s type of playstyle. Imagine Shaq not have his personality but that level of ability. It’s taking special, spontaneous and iconic moments from the game. Trash talking has been an INTEGRAL part of any player’s DNA.
@@ThisIzMonstahP I’m 44 and grew up playing aggressive ball both ends of the floor, hard fouls and the offensive player driving his shoulder into your sternum that was part of the game. Hell I’m even down for grabbing a rebound then cocking elbows letting the opponent know to back up 🤣 That spinning back elbow could break facial bones, damage eye socket or even potentially blind someone for life from simply getting grabbed at the waist from behind. Little homie even tried holding shaq up so he didn’t fall cause he was just about to take flight and got elbowed. When you over an opponent to where he is flat out grabbing you already winning. College ball you only get 5 fouls an before you know it he founded out the game. In my eyes again freeing up in that era that sucker elbow was straight up disrespectful. Back in the day we use to have massive fights after the game if the opponent pull some disrespectful chyt like Shaq did. That was some Ron Artest James Harden elbow 😂just wrong
This game was absolutely the last straw when LSU coach told Shaq to leave LSU early and declare for NBA draft because he was receiving too many hard fouls and cheap shots. Also, the referees were not making the calls when players were constantly hacking him. Shaq got sick and tired of the cheap shots and lashed out
Prior to that last foul, I don't see the hard fouls and cheap shots that you're referencing. Refs were calling fouls and even some that were borderline. At 0:47 both are pushing a bit and Shaq's doing most of the pushing. Having your hand on a guy was part of the defensive landscape during that time. For example, look at the LSU defender at 2:29 and how he has his foreman on the guy's back. That was normal back then. As to the last foul that started the brawl, the defender was just trying to prevent Shaq from making the shot. He wasn't trying to hurt him.
The overall the game changed for the worse. It’s such a soft league now almost no physicality. I believe we probably seen the best brand of players and basketball going from the 90’s into the early 2000’s
He didn’t. He grabbed him by the waist and held him down. He didn’t undercut nor did shove in the back or take a shot at his head. Shaq overreacted and Dale Brown was a whiny biotch.
@@puterbacyep and groves stood his ground against the entire LSU team while shaq faded to the back and tried not to get involved, even though his overreaction is what started the melee
@@puterbacpulling someone down by the waist when their mid air is dangerous and flagrant it’s not a defensive move in basketball Shaq had every right to respond like that.
@@CLS_7301 A pull like that is relatively safe. The feet will land underneath his balance point, the hips will be back, and the torso forward. The defender was also steadying Shaq with the hold.
@@naturalimmunity7007 Your memory is just flawed. Rewatch videos from then and you will see there's no beating. Watch this video and you will see there is no beating.
@@nicksavov5027 I don't have to when I know what happened. Your TV must have been blurry or them rabbit ears was flawed. If you think he wasn't getting hacked from head to toe then there's nothing to talk about
@@Xx-po1funo...because those old folks played against kids/women....older players played like wnba and people simply call them tougher just to make an argument😂😂😂
Shaq was the most dominating player I’ve ever seen in college hoops. I honestly can’t think of anyone else who has ever been close. Im 47 so let me know if I’m forgetting someone but I don’t think so.
This oddly contributed to the Kentucky Duke Elite 8 classic in 1992. UK lost at LSU in the regular season. UK beat a Shaqless LSU in the semis of the SEC tournament and then won the title. The #2 seed in the East likely goes to some other team if LSU beats Kentucky in the SEC tournament semifinal round.
Very raw doesn’t have the best touch around the basket - but holy shit he kinda stands out doesn’t he 😂😂 the physicality and movement at that size is incredible. Obviously he got bigger and his touch got Much better. A true freak athlete
If the other team wanted to, they could score 100+ points every game. Everyone can make claims of "if he wanted to, he could..." Shaq averaged under 22 points per game in college. "If he wanted to", he was far away from 40 points per game.
If the Diesel didn't miss free throws and stayed in shape and been light on his feet without that weight he would easily be #1 in scoring and start respecting his defense too. Imagine Shaq with a Dwight Howard body 😮😮😮
Shaq is so raw here... Missing a lot of bunnies right at the rim that he would be making at a high percentage in the NBA Even on that fast break play... Very raw, in the NBA he learned how to do no looks, crossovers etc 😂 Folks think of shaq as this big brute who dunked it every time but he was very skilled
That year, it was called hack-a-shaq. Shaq was getting cheap fouls called on him, while the opponents beat him up. This went on all season and the $EC and the referees allowed it to happen. Things finally came to a head.
Dale Brown is the best L.S.U. Mens Basketball Coach of all time! He was a Great Motivator! X's and O's was not his Forte! However, he could get his Team to Run through a Brickwall for him. And the Team Loved how he had their Backs!!!
I remember watching this game live. I lost all respect for Dale Brown after this. I used to like him as a coach and enjoyed watching his over achieving teams in the final four. But after this I always wanted him to lose.
These days, what Groves did is considered a flagrant foul 1 and technical foul. He wasn't trying to hurt Shaq, he just wanted to keep him from scoring, but it's a non-basketball play because Groves didn't make a play on the ball, and he could've injured Shaquille. I'm glad this rule was implemented. The Bad Boy Pistons were the worst at it, or best, depending on how you look at it. Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, would all elbow ya mid flight.
I don't know to me it looked like Shaq almost lost his balance due to the low hold. He turns around while his arms are flailing trying to regain balance and escape/ break the hold. He then pushes the defender off. I don't think he should've been ejected imho
Thats crazy. You dont punish those two equally for that. If you do that, you remove all incentive for the other team not to do that to the best guy on the court.
Yes I watched Shaq when he played for LSU (with Chris Jackson was still named Chris Jackson). He was a monster; no one could stop him. Shaq would get fouled intentially like this most nights. Coach Dale Brown told him to enter the NBA draft to avoid this crap.
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Probably the only footage of Shaq nailing 2 freethrows in a row
3:03 😮 have to see to believe!😲
Haha!
Was that just luck or did he used to be good at free throws?
His form was so much better here. It got worse and worse throughout his career
I noticed that too hahaha
Watching this shaq really lets you know he polished his game immensely when he went to the nba.
Even so, you can tell from this footage he was just about as ready as one could be, going into the NBA.
Now he’s retired and has worked on sports boardcast news
It's weird to see him take the ball up the court on the fast break, shoot 10-footers, and make free throws
Right I was shocked at so many of those misses, improved so much.... damn shame about those FT's....
He fouled out with 6 pts against Iowa when Iowa handed LSU their behind
Real teammates. LSU Coach is badass too. Loved it all
Nah coaches shouldn't be confronting opposing players. They know damn well the player can't touch them.
I'm knocking out any coach that's dumb enough to swing on me during a scuffle lmao that's clown shit
@@Gboi8they also know how dangerous it is to pull a guy backwards going up in the air it goes both ways
@@Drumpro31lol wtf are you talking about? That wasn’t a dangerous foul at all. Shaq tried to gather and go into a dunk but he pulled him back as he barely got 2 feet off the ground
@@Drumpro31 huh? no seriously wtf are you talking about
Interesting to see the mild-mannered Allan Houston being on the front line during the brawl lol
Allan was and is as nice a guy as you’ll ever meet
The man Groves was ahead of his time. Already figured out the Hack-A-Shaq method before the NBA got around to it😂
LOL!.....yeah, and I think Shaq overreacted to how this guy fouled him........glad to see Shaq get ejected......as far as Groves, well, I really don't think he deserved to get ejected......his foul on Shaq, although not a traditional foul, was not done in ill attempt.....he was just realizing an easy dunk was coming so he decided to simply grab Shaq at the waist.....sure, its annoying, but not fist throwing worthy.......
@@trevorregay9283 If Grove falls while holding the heavier Shaq it could be a nasty injury for both of them
@@trevorregay9283they were hacking the shit out of him the whole gave🤷🏼♂️
@@trevorregay9283 Shaq could of been hurt ....& in today's game that would be a flagrant foul
They changed the rules. No more Hack A Shaq. They'll call a flagrant. 2 shots and possession
I was at this game. A day or two before, when the LSU team arrived at my university (Samford) to practice for the tourney, I was the first one to shake Shaq's hand when he got off the bus. He was wearing a J.J. from Good Times hat. At the end of the practice, he did a Dominque type windmill dunk, which amazed everybody.
I played against him and scored 18, but he got the buckets when it counted, and his team beat us and sent us home by such a close margin that i could feel every mile😢
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😂
Suuuuurrrreeeeeee you were there buddy
He drove me to the cricket store.
that’s a real coach right there😂😂 ran out and got in the mix lmao
LSU Coach was first one to have Shaqs back!!!
He got out there quick af
And should’ve have been kicked out for pushing an opposing team player who simply grab Shaq to prevent in from scoring and immediately got elbow in the face
@@redtidepeoms2987nah nah. Fuck all that soft shit. Let the players talk their shit and play with some passion. Not a lot of players nowadays both pro and college really play with that raw passion. You can’t “control” how you react whenever you get hyped. Imagine really dunking on somebody in front of your peers and having the discipline to not look or even say anything to the guy you just t-bagged. That’s the most unathletic, 60’s type of playstyle. Imagine Shaq not have his personality but that level of ability. It’s taking special, spontaneous and iconic moments from the game. Trash talking has been an INTEGRAL part of any player’s DNA.
@@ThisIzMonstahP I’m 44 and grew up playing aggressive ball both ends of the floor, hard fouls and the offensive player driving his shoulder into your sternum that was part of the game.
Hell I’m even down for grabbing a rebound then cocking elbows letting the opponent know to back up 🤣
That spinning back elbow could break facial bones, damage eye socket or even potentially blind someone for life from simply getting grabbed at the waist from behind.
Little homie even tried holding shaq up so he didn’t fall cause he was just about to take flight and got elbowed. When you over an opponent to where he is flat out grabbing you already winning. College ball you only get 5 fouls an before you know it he founded out the game. In my eyes again freeing up in that era that sucker elbow was straight up disrespectful.
Back in the day we use to have massive fights after the game if the opponent pull some disrespectful chyt like Shaq did. That was some Ron Artest James Harden elbow 😂just wrong
@@ThisIzMonstahP Bro if a coach runs up on me and swings during a scuffle you best believe I'm knocking that senior citizen out 😂
This game was absolutely the last straw when LSU coach told Shaq to leave LSU early and declare for NBA draft because he was receiving too many hard fouls and cheap shots. Also, the referees were not making the calls when players were constantly hacking him. Shaq got sick and tired of the cheap shots and lashed out
Prior to that last foul, I don't see the hard fouls and cheap shots that you're referencing.
Refs were calling fouls and even some that were borderline.
At 0:47 both are pushing a bit and Shaq's doing most of the pushing.
Having your hand on a guy was part of the defensive landscape during that time. For example, look at the LSU defender at 2:29 and how he has his foreman on the guy's back. That was normal back then.
As to the last foul that started the brawl, the defender was just trying to prevent Shaq from making the shot. He wasn't trying to hurt him.
@nicksavov5027 Shaq was constantly getting cheap shots and fouled throughout the entire NCAA 1991-1992 season. This game was the icing on the cake
but shaq got the similar treatment in the pros also. you can't ref shaq, for regular player is a foul, but for shaq is not.
WHEN U FOUL THAT LOW
IN THE STREETS YOU MIGHT BE GONE
@@nicksavov5027 You don't see it because he's so big and you don't see the impact, but he's constantly getting hammered.
Coach with the old man rage. Good stuff.
Coach was looking for an early grave tbh
Note, no one actually tried to fight Shaq.
They aren’t insane.
Chuck did.
that was actually a clean fould, Shaq is just being petty as always
Shaq has never punched anyone
Okay then you have our permission to go seek a fight with the Shaqster tell us how it went 😩
His free throw form looked so much better here
yah he didnt seem to have that dumbass hitch...not sure where he picked that up at. but big mistake.
No. 10 in the orange is that classic "hold me back!" guy. He actually wanted no part of that brawl but didn't want anyone to know it lol
Noticed this also. He was halfway towards just dancing out there, jumping around like an excited puppy.
So accurate 😆
Number 10 both teams 😂😂
@@newhaven22definitely was #10 for both teams
Damn I miss this type of basketball the inside game. Shaq would have been awesome to watch in college.
The overall the game changed for the worse. It’s such a soft league now almost no physicality. I believe we probably seen the best brand of players and basketball going from the 90’s into the early 2000’s
he’s forcing nearly all of his shots though…not much footwork here, but he developed that later
Man I miss Shaq. He did stuff that we think every Big Man should do. 😂
Crazy how the whole team was guarding Shaq lol
Back when Shaq was making Brick layers jealous. But he was a rebounding cyborg.
JJ Reddick said the physicality today is similar to this 😂😂
& this ain't even an NBA game .
Reddick is on drugs.
JJ reddick was a plumber 😂 he don’t know ball. He just sat in a corner his whole career, shooting. 3s
Anything JJ says can go right in the trash simply because he went to duke
Ridic is a idiot
@@mustafahmed5954facts
This is gods work you are doing dunkman
head coach says "hold my beer" hahaha NEVER seen a coach do that ever. Respect
No breakaway rims made for such a unique sound and came with backboard breaking dunks. Awesome
Bruh those double and triple teams were wild.
Love that the coach came out for Shaqs back lol
Coach needs to control himself
"I've never done boxing." 😂
“I don’t think Groves had any malicious intent…” 🤦♂️
He didn’t. He grabbed him by the waist and held him down. He didn’t undercut nor did shove in the back or take a shot at his head. Shaq overreacted and Dale Brown was a whiny biotch.
@@puterbacyep and groves stood his ground against the entire LSU team while shaq faded to the back and tried not to get involved, even though his overreaction is what started the melee
@@puterbacpulling someone down by the waist when their mid air is dangerous and flagrant it’s not a defensive move in basketball Shaq had every right to respond like that.
@@CLS_7301 A pull like that is relatively safe. The feet will land underneath his balance point, the hips will be back, and the torso forward. The defender was also steadying Shaq with the hold.
@@CLS_7301 they’re
Nobody in the history of this game has taken the level of beating that Shaq did
lol, there was no beating in this video. Stop making stuff. Furthermore, Shaq dished out a lot more than was dished to him.
@@nicksavov5027 your cable provider must have been different than mine
@@naturalimmunity7007 Your memory is just flawed. Rewatch videos from then and you will see there's no beating. Watch this video and you will see there is no beating.
@@nicksavov5027 I don't have to when I know what happened. Your TV must have been blurry or them rabbit ears was flawed. If you think he wasn't getting hacked from head to toe then there's nothing to talk about
@@naturalimmunity7007 you're wrong. Either way, have a nice evening .
Uhhh *ANY* fight that Shaq is involved in is infamous. Dude is fucking YUUUGE!
*YEP*
"fight"
The only way to stop the most dominant ever 💪🏽
LOL, Shaq wasn't even that dominant in college like Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Hakeem Olajuwon were
@@Xx-po1funo...because those old folks played against kids/women....older players played like wnba and people simply call them tougher just to make an argument😂😂😂
Chamberlain. Nobody was close.
What, exactly, did Shaq dominate? Rebounds? Blocks? Points? He never even averaged 30ppg his entire career.
Shaq was the most dominating player I’ve ever seen in college hoops. I honestly can’t think of anyone else who has ever been close. Im 47 so let me know if I’m forgetting someone but I don’t think so.
there has never been an athlete like shaq, before or since, in any sport
some bozo probably incoming with some wilt fairytale 😄
Bro, I'm 49 and Shaq was a monster in college. No one compared to him since.
There was that star player from Western University named Neon Boudeaux!
God Shamgod.
Took every rebound damn
🤣🤣Facts!
It's a highlight video, so it shows the rebounds that he got, not ones that he missed.
In highlight videos, they usually make every shot too.
@@nicksavov5027😂
This man had zero touch in college 😂😂
Watching this reminds me of the movie Blue Chips. It's still a good movie and held up well.
Best coach ever, fighting for his player
Shaq catches a basketball like it's a baseball
Watching that video, I had totally forgotten how athletic Shaq was. My goodness he was a stud on the court.
It's the high five for me. Definitely a FTN moment.
I'm not hip wut is FTN?...is it Fuck them ninjas?
Carlus Groves most memorable sports moment...
This made me so happy watching.
I can not believe I just watched Shaq make 2 free throws I really had to rewind and make sure I wasn’t seeing stuff.
This oddly contributed to the Kentucky Duke Elite 8 classic in 1992. UK lost at LSU in the regular season. UK beat a Shaqless LSU in the semis of the SEC tournament and then won the title. The #2 seed in the East likely goes to some other team if LSU beats Kentucky in the SEC tournament semifinal round.
Can't fight fate. That Duke team should never let Kentucky get that close.
man, shaq was so fast. very exciting to watch him play at this weight
I am a UT fan but I loved Dale Brown’s reaction!
An in shape shaq is a scary sight
3:53 that tap back to shaq was beautiful!
That pass stood out to me too
Why did he slow down his free throw shot in the NBA?
probably because he got injured after he got drafted into the nba
hand injury he’s not able to flick his wrist normally or sum like that
He had a wrist injury that gave him a hitch in his free throw
He probably punched a locker after this game and injured himself.
I like how #10 from Tennessee was leading with his face. Great tactics.
To be beat up like this throughout your career is just amazing........They had three players on him most of the game....Amazing player...
The announcers wishing so much for oneal not to get suspended 🤣
#10 on Tennessee got me deaddd lmaoooooo
not everybody can play like shaq, he's all about strength and stamina
A beast!
Fight starts at 4:08...
AND DALE BROWN GETS IN THERE TOO! WHAT!?
Very raw doesn’t have the best touch around the basket - but holy shit he kinda stands out doesn’t he 😂😂 the physicality and movement at that size is incredible. Obviously he got bigger and his touch got Much better. A true freak athlete
Dale Brown 🔥🔥
Dale Brown's fault. Then the team followed the coach's "lead"
His free throw shot back then looks so much better
Shaq wanted he could score 40 every game he new they were
Alway Gona foul him asualt him
and he let the game come to him.
Shaq was a 🚊 Mack 🛻
If the other team wanted to, they could score 100+ points every game. Everyone can make claims of "if he wanted to, he could..."
Shaq averaged under 22 points per game in college. "If he wanted to", he was far away from 40 points per game.
@@nicksavov5027😂😂😂 did Shaq breed your woman or something?
I’ve watched a lot of Shaq interviews and never heard him speak about this
he doesn't talk about his college days a lot because they didn't win anything lol
I love the commentators desperately trying to turn Shaq into the victim here🤣
you sound stupid was that not a blatant flagrant foul???
omg...I forgot Jamie Brandon played with Shaq @LSU
by the end i thought he was just goin to say " both teams have been ejected from the game" lol
Notice how there was no brawl with Shaq, they made a business decision 😂
Shaq making two free throws in a row is quite impressive
If the Diesel didn't miss free throws and stayed in shape and been light on his feet without that weight he would easily be #1 in scoring and start respecting his defense too. Imagine Shaq with a Dwight Howard body 😮😮😮
50 rebounds later
“Oneal’s first shot of the game”
Gotta love a coach thats got your back like that
Coach: ♫Let me go, let me shoop, to the big man in two piece suit♫
Shaq was accurate in saying he was clear precursor and style to Greek Freak. Also, Ralph Sampson was clear precursor and style to Wemby first
4:57 no punches were thrown right here? what about shaqs elbow?
Well technically not a punch.. lol..
No punches were thrown, but Shaq clocked him with one hell of an elbow! Good on him
So many missed shots 5ft from the basket is the only thing I can't seem to understand since everybody says this era was peak college basketball
The one announcer is so pro lsu it’s sickening
Christian Laettner still took Shaq to the woodshed
90s basketball was the best , the sport just took over
Was the LSU coach ejected, as well?
With Shaquille dribbling, he looked like the first Bol Bol.
Two NBA legends were featured here. Big Shaq and Steph Curry.
#22 from Tennessee was like, " i aint got nothing to do with this"..
He was pulled around the waste...and the coach flies onto the court? You gotta be kidding me.
Shaq is so raw here... Missing a lot of bunnies right at the rim that he would be making at a high percentage in the NBA
Even on that fast break play... Very raw, in the NBA he learned how to do no looks, crossovers etc 😂
Folks think of shaq as this big brute who dunked it every time but he was very skilled
People say anything.Exactly what skill did you see in this clip?
2:40 how good is that?!
Shaq missed like 6 times before that.
Carlos Groves was an underrated baller!
Them Tennessee Cheerleader O's are probably 55 plus today!!
That first so called foul on Shaq was the beginning of the flop😂
Shaq and Houston we're ballers
That year, it was called hack-a-shaq. Shaq was getting cheap fouls called on him, while the opponents beat him up. This went on all season and the $EC and the referees allowed it to happen. Things finally came to a head.
Now that’s a badass coach.
Number 10 on Tennessee is the classic, pretend to wanna fight, not swing at all and have people hold him back kind of guy in this clip lol
That was the first thing I noticed as well. If nobody had held him back he would have flexed as he walked backwards away from any opponents. 🐔💩
Nah you trippin he was wit the shyts
Never seen so many clunkers from O'Neil in one game!
Dale Brown is the best L.S.U. Mens Basketball Coach of all time! He was a Great Motivator! X's and O's was not his Forte! However, he could get his Team to Run through a Brickwall for him. And the Team Loved how he had their Backs!!!
I remember watching this game live. I lost all respect for Dale Brown after this. I used to like him as a coach and enjoyed watching his over achieving teams in the final four. But after this I always wanted him to lose.
These days, what Groves did is considered a flagrant foul 1 and technical foul. He wasn't trying to hurt Shaq, he just wanted to keep him from scoring, but it's a non-basketball play because Groves didn't make a play on the ball, and he could've injured Shaquille. I'm glad this rule was implemented. The Bad Boy Pistons were the worst at it, or best, depending on how you look at it. Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, would all elbow ya mid flight.
I don't know to me it looked like Shaq almost lost his balance due to the low hold. He turns around while his arms are flailing trying to regain balance and escape/ break the hold. He then pushes the defender off. I don't think he should've been ejected imho
Thats crazy. You dont punish those two equally for that. If you do that, you remove all incentive for the other team not to do that to the best guy on the court.
show the game where arkansas played lsu and the big o/oliver miller held o neil to like 3 pts-show it dunkman827-prove me wrong
To be fair, any of us who had to listen to "(I Know I Got) Skillz" in the 1990s wanted to put a flagrant two on Shaq, as well.
Both #33 is crazy 😮
Lol Shaq with the roundhouse elbow..
Announcer: See no punches were thrown!!!!
Yes I watched Shaq when he played for LSU (with Chris Jackson was still named Chris Jackson). He was a monster; no one could stop him. Shaq would get fouled intentially like this most nights. Coach Dale Brown told him to enter the NBA draft to avoid this crap.
Rht on Abdul Raof aka Chris Jackson
3:04 I never knew you could have all 5 defenders around the bucket for free-throws, must've been something that was only allowed in college?
It was ok to do this back then. Then they changed it later.