there is an accidental title insert in the video that i did not notice until just now and i will be blurring it as soon as i can because how embarrassing a house full of condiments and no food
I honestly thought you did it on purpose as an artistic choice to say, âThis topic is so exhausting and ridiculous I canât even be bothered to fully edit the video.â đ
I didn't even question it. What you were talking about aligned like, perfectly with what the title says, so I just thought it meant "Read the title; that's what this segment is about, I don't need to say it twice" and it just made sense.
I always get so upset about the criticism towards Cinderella. Because it's not true, Cinderella didn't even know what the prince looked like when she went to the ball. It was a chance to get out of the prison her home had become and experience something new. When the opportunity to permanently leave by becoming the princess, she took it. She used her animal friends to free herself and meet the Grand Duke and try on the glass slipper. The prince is just a reward but not the goal she worked towards.
Idk why people judge so hard Cinderella. Like she was abused and still kept her kind nature in her. That day she was excited to leave her oppressive household, not excited to meet the prince. Like why would you judge her taking the opportunity to marry someone she loves + getting the benefit of having a rich royal husband. Cmon I would have fight too
I also find this super ironic because Adriana Caselotti who voiced Snow White in the original film only got paid $970 for the movie, wasnât credited on the film, and then allegedly was blacklisted from Hollywood because Walt Disney didnât want her voice on any non Disney works which pretty much kept her from getting any work in the industry. Now they are putting out a remake of this movie in the middle of SAG-AFTRA strike for not paying and mistreating writers and actors. The only difference is instead of completely silencing an actress theyâre letting Rachel Zegler be the scapegoat for their entire company allowing them to make a bunch of money for a calculated woke rage scandal
I'm starting to resent the "Stick to the feminine Heroines Whose Power was their Gentleness" vs "Girl Boss Princess Whose Not Like The Other Girls" dichtomony discourse. Part of the reason I find Disney's "Hey we remade it to be Progressive" marketing is that a lot of these films are decades old. Like yeah, I would freaking hope so, not a high bar. These are historical films. They where often ground breaking in their time and you'd hope today's film making would push on forwards. And to be fair films like Encanto and Turning Red do, but those aren't the ones that feel the need to market themselves like this. At the same time those films where reflective of their time, even circumstances as Snow White's screen time was affected by the fact that realistic human animation was new ground. If we have to revisit them (I've always suspected as brand maintenance) then there's always room to be inspired by and explore. Give me that Cinderella that looks at her from the lense of an abuse survivor, give me Sleeping Beauty that recognises the old lady Fairies driving role. Hell there's been criticism from the dwarfism community over the choice to do this remake at all, maybe take the opportunity to build a story on that acknowledgement of its history in forming people's ideas of dwarfism and let a little person with lived experience tell it in the way they choose. Part of the reason this discourse is so frustrating is that it feels like a conversation that belongs decades ago and comes at the cost of actual progress and creation. Some of how Zegler talked about the film is a little tired but this so repetitive Disney Marketing speak that anyone treating it like its new feels like part of the problem. If anything her words felt pretty mild.
I really hate how people crap on Snow White. She was the Great Depression heroine. Her story of helplessness, but also resilience, in the face of trauma echoes a time when families were mass starving to death. The prince is just a symbol: her reward for being a good and kind person despite the horror she endures.
@@youtubesupportsfascismItâs even creepier in the fairy tale when you realize that Snow White was seven years old. đŹ Her body may have aged in the Disney film but not her mind. đ
I never considered looking up when Snow White came out nor made the connection to the Great Depression. Thank you for writing this comment... I'm definitely going to jump down a rabbit hole now đ
There's another thing that I think is often overlooked: actors don't really have that much agency over the projects they take part in. They don't get to pick and choose the parts they audition for (their agent does that) and they don't have a say in the parts they get (the casting directors do). Plus, very few of them can afford to turn a role down, so they often take part in projects that they don't really care about. Zegler is just doing her job.
i appreciate her honesty about getting roles like she literally said she took the shazam 2 role because she "needed a job." she was too real for that lol
@@Yharazaydand her acting is great too, i didnât even finish Shazam 2 cos it was so bad but from what i saw she was good in it (thought she was amazing in West side story). happy she got that paycheck!!
That is my thing too. As these audiences should be aware of by now (given the strike) is that these actors more than likely NEED the job. Why boycott someone getting the bag -especially when they NEED it!
Yeah every other live action princess was asked to downplay the boyfriend in the press tour, and they all very much had boyfriend prince characters. Yet you don't see as much extreme reaction to Emma Watson's very silly interviews where she had to say that beauty and the beast was not about her beauty or about, well, the beast.
what upsets me so much is that people...........don't have to watch these movies. idk i just can't go into watching something i don't really have interest in. i never watched the live action aladdin because it never caught my interest.
up until the little mermaid, which i only watched to support halle, i hadn't seen a single live action remake because i haven't been interested. it's that easy.
hilarous that everyone was calling her "the boring" disney princess and now all of the sudden, out of thin air, *everyone* cares about snow white. đ
Like I don't doubt she has fans (on a video discussing it I have seen people say they like her because of how kind and compassionate she is) but I also wouldn't be skeptical that people will use this to jump on a hate bandwagon
This is how all this outrage and cancel culture works. No one actually gives a shit about all the stuff they propose to be angry about. They just want to a reason to be angry and use others as their emotional punching bag to get over their shittt life...as if it is that one person's fault rather than the powers that be. Sad really. We need to do better as humans if we are going to get anywhere and continue to advance.
Also is Disney planning on EVER stepping up and doing anything to protect their actresses from this racism and misogyny or.... Don't tell me there's nothing they can do they are LITERALLY DISNEY.
What, And stop the flow of free publicity at the expense of the mental well-being of people they are fighting tooth and nail to not even compensate properly for their work???
Disney is losing money, as we speak. Y'all are not Disney's bread and butter. The people who are complaining are. And they can break Disney financially
Rachel Zegler getting womanâd was expected but Iâm still shocked. I thought we were all aware of Disneyâs weird habit of girlboss-ifying their princesses as a way to dodge former criticisms the older counterparts faced⊠why is it only a problem now?
Because racism! Halle Bailey got slammed for criticizing the animated film, yet her feminist criticisms against Ariel are nothing new, since theyâve existed long before she was even born. Yep, even in 1989, people were complaining about Ariel setting the feminist movement back 50 years.
Your point about how actors not needing to be fans of a role reminded me of how in Doctor Who, there were several actors to play The Doctor who weren't previously fans of the show and nobody cared... until a woman (Jodie Whittaker) got cast as them, then an actor 'needing to be a fan' suddenly became a huge talking point
This is such a good point I actually remember how cool everyone thought it was when David Tennant said he was a huge Doctor Who fan before taking on the role. It wasn't something people necessarily expected so it was a nice thing to hear.
â@@rampion1228Then Matt Smith said he didn't start watching Doctor Who extensively until he was researching for what his role needed of him... like any other actor lol.
Yes, even the actor that played Stannis Baratheon didn't understand why anyone would like Game of Thrones and people were ok with that. Even joking, "wow, he is just playing himself".
@@DagmarRokita667 that's not about jodie though, hell in the other bbc show she was in she's apparently one of the highlights, iirc its because they had steven moffat as one of the lead directors and hes. really not good at running a show, especially when it has to deal with female leads (as evidenced by sherlock and it's mishandling of female characters/simultaneous queerbaiting)
Also, I donât buy into the âmake original moviesâ argument because original films with original Black leads or queer stories will still get attacked and called âforced diversityâ by the anti-woke brigade. I havenât forgotten the hateful backlash to Black Panther, Finn in Star Wars, Woman King, Strange World, and so many others.
people had a massive hate boner for turning red because a) it included periods as an important part of the narrative and b) the lead was asian and they didn't like that
THANK YOU, Iâm so annoyed when ppl just simply say make your own og stories when those stories barley get any attraction or like you said they called âforced diversityâ, an example i can think of is âWishâ. That movie is featuring a new original black princess (more specifically afro-latina) and yet i barley hear it being talked about or promoted, this all feels like a lose-lose situation
@@jennah5990 itâs such a shame itâs not getting promoted more bc ariana debose is such a talent and the trailer actually looks interesting! the animation looks different from what weâre used to from disney and i like what weâve heard of the music so far. hopefully promo will kick in a month or so away from release
I've noticed recently a lot of accusations of "pick me's" and NLOGs against young women who aren't fans of nostalgic girly media. I get the sentiment, like "oh you didn't like Snow White growing up? You didn't like the Barbie cinematic universe so you didn't connect with the Barbie movie? You must've been an NLOG back then and you're still one now." And I'm sure that's true for some women, but it's also completely ignoring that even if girly media like Barbie and Twilight have been historically panned in comparison to boyish nostalgic media, they're still the hegemonic feminine media. Growing up a tomboy who didn't connect to Barbie or Snow White doesn't mean you hate other women. Frankly I think the montage scene at the end of Barbie was powerful because it didn't solely center on the childhood experience of Barbie, but on the joy of girlhood more generally. The assumption that every girl that didn't fit the mold hated or hates other girls or women, and is thus open for criticism is so antithetical to feminism and frankly reeks of radfem rhetoric. Any rejection of hegemonic femininity is somehow an appeal to masculinity and thus inherently evil, somehow. It's the way these people automatically assume the worst in other women for the most innocuous personal statements (not to mention how much they show how their sense of self is formed by media consumption).
Addendum: not to mention the fact that the focus on media consumption as self-actualization means that women have to like the exact same girly media as the critic in order to pass the sniff test. Like, what if we found out Rachel loved Mulan growing up? Would she get treated any better by the tik tok talking heads? I doubt it, even though there's no material difference in someone's connection to femininity based on which Disney movies they watched as kids
THIS. You belong to the 10% of smart wonen who actually understand this. I don't hate "them" for being girly girls. I hate them for being dumb and toxic
so much so that katniss, triss, hermoine and bella often get hate cos they werent traditionally feminine and ppl r like: ''they were such pick me's, NLOG, '' but they were js themselves, js cos one woman is nerdy, tomboy, or simply doesnt wear mk up or dont like feminine things doesnt mk them a pick me and doesnt mk them a tomboy either, but many times if u say u dont like pink ppl will think ur hating on women and these r often takes by so called feminists, whats so feminist abt attacking a woman simply for hvg different tastes? so now we hv to like only female heroes, look up to women only and only like pink to prove we support women? i also remember buzzfeed getting attacked cos women made a vid abt super heroes andt hey chose male heroes and ppl gave them shit for not choosing female ones, like cant a girl like spiderman w/out being called misogynist? and also can we stop calling misogynist anyone who calls out a toxic woman? for example on twitter u get attacked if u pt out that a female celeb is toxic. y is that misogyny? we dont hv to like every woman to be supportive of women rights, and we shouldnt like all feminine things or look feminine to be feminists. modern feminism contradicts itself all the time, ''we support u asl ong as ur on our side, if ur different we abandon u''
@@DalmaSafra that last part gets to me. Feminism is very, very broad. The feminism that was taught to me at least tells me how complicated and diverse women's lives are. When I went on to see discourse on this, unfortunately mostly online, I am saddened that many who claim to be feminists are very hateful and are putting people into "boxes", black & white perspectives, etc. In short there's this "standard" of being labeled a feminist, there is a "standard" of a true feminist heroine, etc. that people should abide by and it's very monolithic, too narrow. And unfortunately for them, it also stands to scrutiny and some things changes with the times, as we learn and criticize the past, to come out of it better.
There was also Twitter outrage about Rachel Zeigler about her being "white" when she was cast as Lucy Gray Baird in the Snakes and Songbirds movie. The reason is that people felt convinced that Lucy Gray was going to be a Woman of Color given a tweet that Nina Jacobson about how they wanted to cast the movie, and by their standards, Rachel did not count as a person of color. So yeah, this woman really does just get it from all sides. I think Rachel's talented and I hope she stucks around, just like Brie Larson did, and doesn't let herself get run out of Hollywood. And in regards to Lucy Gray Baird, there are ZERO references in the book as to what she looks like. I don't think even a hair color was mentioned. The only thing we ever know about her is that she wore a rainbow colored dress to her reaping and the subsequent games.
Ah. The Rue thing all over again. "It's not how I pictured her in the books therefore it's wrong." Even though Rue is described as a WOC, and even if she wasn't who cares?! Amandla Stenberg was great in the role.
what gets me is that rachel zegler is phenotypically a BROWN woman. her ethnicity consists of european ancestry but she presents as a WOC in everyday society. just like how mixed race people who are passing present as white therefore are white in society. somehow people just created a double standard for her because sheâs hated.
Brie Larson was pretty popular before, so I'm guessing it was easier for her to "stick around because she had longevity on her side. Rachel, on the other hand, is very new. I do hope this doesn't set her back.
When I heard that ppl were mad about Rue being a POC, I was baffled. She was described this way in the books and I loved her so much. She's one of my favorites. Cinna isn't really much described, but ever since Lenny Kravitz portrayed him I always imagined Cinna like this. I partially imagined Lucy as a mix of looking slightly like Katniss, mostly based off of fanart. Before that, I weirdly invisioned her as a dark blond. I didn't have a problem with the idea of making her a person of color, it just needs to work with Katniss since it's speculated that they are related.
Honestly, it kind of reminds me of the way people hate Brie Larson and used to hate Anne Hathaway. It's just so overblown and unwarranted. Brie is called too outspoken and Anne was blamed for having "theatre kid" energy (something I've heard about Rachel as well). It's as if the public at large has decided that they don't like her and anything she says or does can and will be used as justification of the vitriol against her.
The Hate towards Brie Larson was real at first and very small but the scale it reached was 100% manufactured for clicks and money and I am sure as HELL that it's the same scenario here. People make money of attention on the internet. Every time you see a large amount of people suddendly loosing their shit over a new iteration of a very common idea online, just assume it's bullshit spear headed by grifters.
Anne Hathaway, Brie Larson, and Kristen Stewart were in the music video "One of the Guys". I remember people going crazy because they were all beloved actresses and the public turned on them...to "humble" them? Idk. I think it was around the time Jennifer Lawrence was started to get hate. Weird cycle the public has with female celebrities.
she was picked aprat and hated for years by people due to her weird sense of humor and seeming unlikeability similar to the actress discussed here@@remytherat2929
@@remytherat2929megan fox was kind of a media punching-bag for a long time, but frankly, thatâs gonna happen to most young women in show business unfortunately
@@remytherat2929 Megan Fox rose to stardom when she appeared in the awful 2000s Transformers films and she was portrayed in a very oversexualized way because the director Michael Bay was a huge creep. Anyway, people hated on her instead of Michael Bay and basically slutshamed her instead of the gross men pulling the strings behind the scenes. She had a hard time getting roles outside of "sex symbol" because of this stigma. Now, we're seeing something similar with Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot, people hating on them instead of disney, you know the ones pulling the strings. At the end of the day, its the executives' fault for sponsoring these trash films but because you don't see the executive, you don't hate them: you cant hate something you dont see. People out here defending fictional snow white and proclaiming themselves as feminists but at the same time hating on real life women. Hypocrisy is crazzzyyy.
"why would you play a role you hate" acting is a job. You have to make money, even if it means doing a role you hate. Rachel is not the first person to hate a role she plays but there was no backlash for other actors sharing the same sentiments
i didnât finish the video yet but i just wanna say that i truly have no issue with poc playing characters that were previously white but i feel like itâs throwing these actors under the bus, and it makes me wonder if itâs even worth it lmao
same! as a black woman, whenever i see a black woman recast in a role that used to be white, i almost roll my eyes a bit because all i can think about is how these actors are set up to be tormented
@@therealgowonWhich absolutely crazy because barely anyone is complaining about blond Percy and Indian Grover. Itâs definitely more than wanting âaccurate casting.â
â@@Yharazayd I guess this is a broader discussion but what exactly is a good course of action for a company to do when supporting POC actors in instances like these? I've been following the live action Little Mermaid religiously and it didn't escape my notice how the entire cast, director, and even Iger himself came out multiple times to praise and support Halle. It was unlike any other instance where we had this situation before, from my experience. So I'm left wondering when even the president himself comes out to play, what other solutions can be done to help with this? While I understand this particular sentiment of not wanting to see POC in previously white roles out of protection, I also can't really agree the solution should be to not do it at all because original film or not, POC actors will get shit either way
â@@sillyladtanthis is exactly my thought. The hate poc get, they'll receive it either way of being casted for a role that was originally white on not. Honestly I just want people to have fun with the roles they get. And I'm still on the fact that the ones who don't really care who plays it are most if not all of the people in these comments and children who will be watching. And there will be children who get to see people who look like them, which makes me happy đ€đ€đ€đ€đ€
This whole situation happens every decade or so to up and coming young stars. This whole situation is giving Britney spears, Anne Hathaway and Brie Larson. Basically itâs misogyny and itâs so stupid
every time something rachel says starts a hate train, i think of anne hathaway because it's almost always the most innocuous thing. like anne hathaway, at the height of so-called "Hathahate," one of the things she was called annoying for was.....***reads on wrinkled sheet of paper*** campaigning for an oscar
@@Yharazayd Yes, and every time I think that weâve moved on as a society and learned, a new girl becomes the publicâs favorite to hate. Itâs getting really sad and frustrating
@@YharazaydIâm so glad someoneâs defending her. I didnât watch the full video. But I find it so ironic that ppl are fighting her supposed misogyny withâŠyou guessed it..misogyny. đđ
@@Yharazayd I remember the mountain of hate for her when she won. It was literally because she said, "it came true," when she won, meaning her dream came true, and she kinda hugged the statue close to her face. That's it. Actress who'd been in the industry for a minute won the most prestigious acting award you can achieve, is rightfully giddy about it, because of course that's gonna be a dream come true for an actor. People acted like she committed a war crime. I'm happy that's not the narrative now, of course, but I've been a fan of Anne's since the Princess Diaries so I had to be part of the Anne Hathaway Defense Squad a *lot* those days. I hope this isn't the same for Rachel. Leave that poor girl alone.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Lance, people are dying and you're in the comments dickriding so hard. Either make a difference by being a good person, or make a difference by kicking the stool.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 people are allowed to criticize. "girlboss feminism" is outdated, and should be called out. disney swapping out their white princesses for actresses of color only to let them take the brunt of the hate that should really be directed at the company is bad and not the "big win for representation" they want us to think it is. people *shouldn't* be calling rachel "snow brown/dirt brown". people *shouldn't* be making fun of her face, calling her ugly compared to gal gadot, making r*pe and d*ath threats. people *shouldn't* be drawing cartoons of halle bailey's ariel as a monkey-fish hybrid, calling for her l*nching, editing screenshots of her to be whiter. there's nuanced discussion that criticizes the root of the issue--which is disney, not the new actresses who jumped on the career opportunity of a lifetime and who were sorely unprepared by their employer for the barrage of personal attacks--and then there's the dozens of hit pieces that overanalyze every little thing rachel says or does and calling it the death of feminism or society or film or whatever ailment they want to blame on her this time.
I also feel like even if Rachel Zegler was genuine in her criticisms of Snow White and it wasnât just pitched that way to her by Disney, sheâs still not doing anything wrong. Sheâs allowed to be critical about a story and narrative that naturally includes her as a woman, even if other women donât agree for their own valid reasoning. Like how verilybitchie and other women criticized Barbie and were shut down because it was perceived as anti-feminist to do so, I feel like expecting women to have the same thought process on what they find empowering is small-minded, even if itâs also important to share a different perspective to help expand their understanding of feminism (but we also have to be willing to do the same for them).
Itâs so transparent how people *suddenly* feel that soulless remakes of old fairytales they never think about are an attack on a cultural touchstone when POC get involved. Or anything âwokeâ.
right! no one complained half this much when the cinderella remake came out. they tried to make that movie more "progressive" and such but no one was upset that it was a sign that disney was becoming "woke"
@@standarddreamerNah it was just because it was the first (not going to count Alice because that was a sequel) Disney live action remake and it was actually a good (the only one Disney made) remake. And people were used to good live action movies about Cinderella, like the Drew Barrymore one. And it wasnât a movie that pushed some sort of âminorityâ or âfeministâ rhetoric for publicity. It was just a Disney movie. They began to become problematic when they understood that people went to go see anything with their brain turned off just because of nostalgia, like in the Lion King, or for âpoliticalâ things, like beauty and the beast. Disney got this bad just because people let them by financing bad written and bad directed movies and now they are âwaking upâ for the worst reasons, like âpushing wokenessâ, and not because the majority of Disney movies are objectively bad written. Going back, I think this problem with Disney began with Frozen and progressively got worse until it covered every branch this maxi-company is made of.
@@standarddreamer because it was the only good live action remake that stuck to the original story. Same with aladdin and beauty and the beast (although on a lesser scale)
Yeah when I heard about the Snow White drama my first thought was "Gee I didn't realize that there were so many die-hard Snow White purists out there, all these fans be coming out of the woodwork."
I've been so frustrated with the hate Rachel's been receiving. The only reason she's getting this reaction is because she's a woman. Robert Pattison not liking playing Edward in Twilight (arguably one of his biggest roles) is a meme and other male actors disliking their movies is completely fine as well. Rachel says she found a movie with scary scenes scary when she was a kid is awful??? I truly don't get it. And the whole internet calling her entitled for saying she should get paid for every hour that a movie is streaming online? So should every actor, streaming has ruined the residuals systems and allows big corporations to earn money while they pay their actors pennies and she gets called entitled? Make it make sense
the thing that gets to me about her saying she deserves to be paid for every hour is not only that she does which is what the whole strike is about but she makes a point of using herself as an example in an effort to not pretend to know the tribulations of writers or other actors in the industry. she speaks specifically to her experience and to her career but people call it entitled? yet if she said nothing, she would be blamed for not supporting the strike. this girl can't win
Interesting comparison. You could even argue that Pattinson didn't understand the material but since Twilight is socially hated on its okay but oh when Rachel Zegler does it about Snow White then people take issue when there really isn't much of a difference
I donât deny at all that the hate sheâs getting is in part because of her being a woman (or even mostly). But I think the fact that Snow White is considered one of the âDisney Classicsâ also plays a big part. Some people get all up in arms when something they cherish from their childhood gets âtaintedâ or âruinedâ somehow (not my opinion at all btw). Twilight while popular wasnât much of a cultural literary icon before the theatrical release of the franchise so naturally the hate for Robert Pattinson wonât be as intense. That being said, itâs still unfair and agree that if she were a guy this whole controversy would likely be a fraction of the size.
ââ@@devonmunn5728 to me it seems more about the fact that Patterson wasn't hating the source material, he was hating on the movie HE was a part of AFTER it was made. I dont think theres anything wrong with an actor disliking a role they had in hindsight, but to play the lead role of a character you don't like, or clearly understand is just wild to me đ Edit: but I agree with everyone else, the hate on this movie already is insane. People are uploading videos every few hours just restating the same stuff in a new way so they can keep trying to make her look worse and worse and that's not okay. At the end of the day Rachel is a human being. I may not agree with her opinions but no person should be demonized like she is rn, when she's done nothing "bad"
since this comment section has been so intense, i want to preface this by saying i appreciate your input and just wanted to kindly point out that one of the things robert pattinson said about twilight was actually directly about the books and about stephanie meyer. here's a quote from an old interview with E! Magazine: "It was like it was a book that wasnât supposed to be published, like reading her - her sort of sexual fantasy. Especially when she says that it was based on a dream, and itâs like, âOh, then I had a dream about this really sexy guyâ, and she just writes this book about it. I was just convinced that this woman is mad, sheâs completely mad, and sheâs in love with her own fictional creation.â i think this is a bit harsher than zegler's words especially since it's directed at a single person more so than an idea. BUT i also acknowledge that a) this was years ago so i'm not advocating for holding it against robert and b) he ended his statement wherein he called stephanie meyer "mad" and twilight "voyeuristic" by also calling it honest and why he wanted to take part in the film. plus, time has made it seem like robert's words weren't that bad and i think because twilight was made fun of so much, people just accept him being harsh on the source material even though what he said could be easily interpreted on him trashing the franchise that made him famous (which is exactly what rachel is being dragged and called ungrateful for).
Disney gets so much ire because they are the biggest perpetrators of trying to be all things to everyone. They try to appeal to as many people as possible instead of making a good movie that may not be for as much of the movie going audience as possible. The only reason why they are tapping POC women for these leading roles is because they know it will get them talked about, but also, these women are so ready for leading roles in massive blockbusters that they will bear the brunt of the criticisms these movies get. It allows them to have their cake and eat it, too.
This really made me reflect on how I see this remake, and Zegler's attitude in interviews. I found myself rolling my eyes before at the idea that Snow White needed to be empowering, mostly because it goes so far from the original story you'd be better off writing a new one inspired by it instead. But you're absolutely right, this has been Disney's approach for the last decade or more, and it's silly to look at Snow White of all things as the step too far. And I really appreciate you pointing out just how young Zelger is and how a lot of her understanding of feminism has no doubt been coloured by those Disney remakes and similar media. Obviously it doesn't make what she says immune from criticism but it makes me take a step back in feeling like the way she's thinking (or at least expressing herself) falls on her alone. Which I guess could be said of almost anyone about anything. This was a great video to make, you killed it.
This comment needs more likes! We can be critical of what an actress says without absolutely dogpiling piling her. And even then, most of the blame should fall on Disney for pushing this rhetoric in their live actions (and likely feeding actors lines to parrot in interviews).
It's funny that we are not allowing her to have her âyoung person cringe momentsâ. I believe Disney is also not giving her proper support and guidance. Does she say kind of awkward stuff? Yeah, but who hasn't? She is not even the first POC actress playing Snow White, way back in 2001 Kristen Kreuk played Snow White and nobody cared, probably because the internet wasn't that strong and bigots didn't have the platform they have now. But image if this movie came out now, they would FLIP so hard, dude, we should be focusing on AI taking people's jobs away, not what a young woman is saying, if the movie is going to be terrible or not, it's not even her fault, she didn't direct it and she didn't write it.
Because Kristin looks like Snow white,she is not cringe and doesn't hates the story, and is white passing at first,she is half white and has very white skin,something that zegler doesn't has,also people love the movie and don't have any problem with the actress,and poc is not used for asian people.
I'm honestly scared at how quickly people are jumping to hate actors and artists these days. A lot of the issues that people are screaming about online are honestly not that deep....save the hate and criticism for people (and the massive corporations) who deserve it for exploiting and abusing people.
Most of the problems can also be contributed to executives demanding that every movie be the exact same bland remakes, reboots and sequels. Artists want to make their own new ideas but the current structure of âno new, no risks, just recyclingâ doesnât allow for it.
I swear there has been a âNot like other girlsâ to ânot like the NLOGâsâ pipeline that people havenât been talking about enough. And the discourse around the Snow White movie is a perfect example. NLOG feminism was a reaction to traditional gender roles and now people are overreacting to the NLOG mentality. Itâs so disheartening đą
I think NLOG have valid reasons to be critical of traditional gender roles, but the issue is that it came at the expense of throwing other women under the bus. However, I think too many people missed the point of the NLOG perspective, sure some of them may have suffered from some internalized misogyny but their main point is that they wanted to be liberated as opposed to assimilate into what a woman should be. If someone wants to defend femininity and traditional feminine roles that is fine as long as you don't use that as the only measure of what it means to be a woman. Trying to gender police women (or men) into these rigid gender boxes is becoming more and more outdated.
do you know how to read? is that really all you took from this comment? people seriously need to start going back to school this is scary @@DagmarRokita667
Nah I kinda gotta agree with her. At least Aurora and her prince had an endearing vibe (after he startled her lmao) I mean. They sang! They shared a dance! But even as a kid I was put off by the fact that Snow White was really... startled by her prince to the point of running away from him. I'd often forget he was even a part of the movie. Like... I was supposed to root for him? It's a lovely film but I wouldn't necessarily call the new actress 's take on it flawed.
True, I think instead of scrapping the prince entirely in Snow White maybe instead they couldâve given them an actual, well, relationship? And not make the prince kiss her unconscious face for no reason, because that was always weird. What if instead, Snow and Charming could fall in love *before* she gets killed by a poisonous apple, and the dwarfs seek him out so he can revive her via True Loveâs Kiss like in the original? I think it works.
ââââââââ@@PastelDoesGacha A very enlightening suggestion on your part đ. To add a bit of clarity regarding the unfortunate minimal screen-time Prince Florian had in Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs, Disney artists at the time were not well versed yet at drawing and animating male characters. More specifically, near-realistic looking male characters when compared to their female equivalents. The developers actually had lots of story drafts and sketches pertaining to Florian being more involved in the film's story, but were scrapped due to this technical inadequacy đ . This was even the case for Prince Charming's minimal screen-time in Disney's Cinderella. Funnily enough, some of the scrapped ideas that they had for Prince Florian were later re-purposed for Prince Phillip in Sleeping Beauty đ. Like with him being kidnapped, escaping a dungeon, and him and Princess Aurora dancing on top of clouds at the end, lol.
I feel so bad for young actors that are getting so much backlash on social media. All of them need immediate media training just to survive the internet (or a thicker skin than I will ever have). Bad enough dealing with a few bullies and jerks in your real life let alone a million trolls online. They definitely target people. Rachel didn't say anything that wasn't already said.
This reminds me of the hate Millie Bobby Brown ALWAYS gets for doing... anything. Seriously, there is just nothing that poor girl can do that won't result in social media trying to tear her down. Despite the fact her performance at what? 11? 12? Made Stranger Things the phenomenon that it is. These young girls constantly get targeted. And honestly? I have come to the conclusion that it is a mixture of jealousy (I mean... girls and women both, lets be honest), misogyny (I can't believe this "little girl" is trying to tell me what a,b,c is"), or the spine-chilling "I shouldn't be attracted to this young girl omg omg I am attracted to her I have to come for her in anything she does just to PROVE I am not into her for any reason." It could be a lot of young girls experience this to some extent in the real world (I experienced a few) but when you're famous and social media exists... these terrible societal traits are amplified. Society are really showing their asses.
I find the "I'm not racist, but I think the actors should look 100% like the original" criticism pretty ironic, considering those people only apply it to the WOC who play traditionally white characters. Like, where was the outrage when golden blonde, brown eyed Lilly James was cast to play a character with blue eyes and strawberry blonde hair? Also, I think the criticism aimed torwards Rachel is a little unfair. Like, I too rolled my eyes when she did the tired "She doesn't need a man to save her, she's a strong powerful woman now" thing to promote the movie, but guess what? people have BEEN doing that since the original little mermaid, when people were like "Oh, ariel isn't like Cinderella or Snow White. she's an ACTIVE player in her own story, unlike those whimpy damsels who always needs a prince to save them" I'm pretty sure that's how Ebert and Siskel even described Ariel in their review back in the 80s.
Ariel has always been divisive since 1989. On the one hand, you have film critic Roger Ebert praising Ariel for being more proactive than previous Disney princesses because she saves her prince and pursues him on land rather than waiting for the prince to come to her. On the other hand, you have feminists who hated Ariel because she sacrificed her voice, her tail, and her family for a generic male human she just met; and because she relied on Eric to save her from Ursula. In fact, it was because of the feminist backlash against Ariel that Disney studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg hired Linda Woolverton to write the screenplay for âBeauty and the Beastâ in the hopes that Belle would be less problematic than Ariel. This would also explain why Linda Woolverton modeled Belle on the tomboyish bookworm Jo March from the novel âLittle Womenâ to give Belle a more feminist edge.
Even on the video extras on my Cinderella VHS tape I remember there being a comment from one of the creators about how much more progressive Cinderella was than Snow White because Snow White waited for a man to come to her while Cinderella "went out and got him" (quote potentially distorted by approx 2 decades since I last saw the tape). That was from the creators of Cinderella. The _second_ ever Disney princess movie! All that to say, the take is hardly new đ
I mean where is the outrage when countless POC characters are played by white actors actress since the start of Hollywood. Whereâs the outrage about Mummy and Dune? I only see people praising them instead of commenting how there is virtually no MENA actor playing in stories heavily inspired by them. Whereâs the outrage about all the Phantom of the Opera retellings obliterating one of the main characters into thin air and giving phantom whole new backstory(which involves enslaved by Romani people and rescued by a white woman in the film version) just because they donât like heâs Persian?
@@ophelie2620exactly. Whereâs the outrage when Jesus is played by a white man with blue eyes? We all know Jesus did not have blue eyes or blonde hair. The outrage is extremely selective. It makes me not take them seriously at all.
I'm going to say this: a progressive Snow White movie would be one where Snow is adopted by the dwarves. They're all her dads. That said, they all need to leave Rachel Zegler alone. She didn't do anything wrong. Update: I came upon some information about this situation. I don't know if it can be confirmed but knowing it, I will say RACHEL ZEGLER DID NOTHING WRONG.
Honestly, this. Especially if you start with kid Snow White and spend a decent amount of time with her growing up with her dwarf dads, developing their culture and individual personalities. And then you could make the goofy 7-dwarfs names the result of a small child trying to pronounce complicated Dwarven names.
For me, these recent criticisms of Disney Princess movies feel like weâve swapped one form of pop feminism for another. Initially, we criticized Snow White and Ariel for being motivated primarily by men (which wasnât fully true, yes). But now weâre criticizing the remakes for wanting to flesh out those motivations so they have a little less to do with the princes and more to do with their desires for freedom, independence, and understanding. And suddenly itâs a bad thing because weâre stripping away the âfemininityâ of these characters when, last time I checked, weâre still dressing up these pretty women in pretty dresses, weâre still giving them soft pretty voices, and weâre still having them end up with equally pretty men at the end. SoâŠwhat about these dainty, delicate women is masculine? I get so tired of seeing so-called âfeministsâ whose only metric of whether a female character is feminist or well-written is how feminine she is, as if that isnât as rigid of an expectation as previous ones for female characters (or as rigid as Disneyâs version of âfeminismâ). As if actual masculine women arenât underrepresented or misrepresented in media and in real life, because, as with many of these criticisms, they stop making any sense when you go outside. Also, side note, what happened to waiting for a movie to come out before you criticize it? Since when did that stop being the sign of a bad critic?
It's such a weird, frustrating pattern. I've seen people complain about Barbie for these reasons too: having her not end up with Ken isn't feminist because it's saying women can't have romance or something. Like we've gone the opposite direction but we certainly haven't made enough of these so called hyper-masculine, single-and-it's-cool female characters to justify that backlash imo
The reason to all of this is because these are not united groups. They are two (or more) separate groups going under the same name and or cause. What one of them sees as bad the other sees as good and vice versa.
Wait bc I was getting so annoyed at the way people tear Rachael apart as of Disney isnât a capitalist monster. How do you have more anger against an actress than a huge corporation.
Itâs definitely a deliberate attack for most people. Theyâll look for any excuse they can to bully whatever actress they dislike. Iâve already seen too many comments calling her âthe next Brie Larsonâ. Itâs clear that these ppl WANT to hate her.
â @@vivir339and? If people donât like her then what? She brought that on herself yk. Check out the way people are praising Jenna Ortega for the way she takes lead and changes her character. The interviews and comments she makes are also against industry norms and yet sheâs still praised. People donât like Rachel for a reason. Itâs not because of racism or sexism, itâs cause she does things that make her unlikeable
@@latenightthinker4737 Ok but like⊠who cares? Why does that warrant ppl harassing her and telling her to off herself? All she did was say some hot takes that ppl didnât like. I really donât understand this celebrity obsession that ppl have; psycho-analyzing everyone and judging their character over the stupidest things. Itâs not a crime for her to be honest with herself and the public.
She's not a fan of the original, big freakin deal. The movie is almost a hundred years old. The fact that she saw it when she was young is already more than I would expect from anybody. I bet most people complaining about that haven't seen it either.
exactly. tbh, that movie isn't even particularly memorable or interesting, and there are scenes that would be scary to watch as a kid. people just like to complain when someone they don't like doesn't like something
loved snow white as a kid and i'm not just saying this to prove a point bc i actually did love her but compared to other disney princesses she's pretty mid. at least cinderella had a personality
@@sillyladtan itâs the first animated feature, even if you didnât like the movie as a child; as an adult, especially someone who cares about the craft of film, itâs still worthy of respect for its role in film history.
@@maggiemurphy4092 i wouldn't doubt it. Though usually a white actor of one ethnicity playing another ethnicity (say a ethnically Irish person plays a Russian character for example) usually doesn't get this much debate and vitriol
fr, her portrayal of belle was so off putting because of her british accent. at least try to sound french or like the voice of the original she was just playing herself
People will see a young woman coming into her own understanding of feminism and it might be slightly faulty and instead of offering their perspective to help inform her more theyll just be misogynistic. Its so backwards
I think both are true. She doesn't have media training, and Disney was counting on her honesty for press. Disney knew what was going to happen, especially after Halle as Ariel. Halle and Rachel don't deserve the hate.
The hate Rachel has been getting has been bugging my soullll. It frustrates me so much I can't even imagine how she's coping. I hope one day people wake up with decency.
I've just realized that the prince from Snow White the fairytale version is basically Chad from Scream Queens who's a rich freak obsessed with corpses. đïžđđïž
Completely agree with everything you've said. I feel like people on social media are either waiting for certain celebs to fall from grace or if they don't fall they'll jump on them, and try to take them down for the tinest things. They have the audacity to say folks are too sensitive or snowflakes, but when this girl says the film scared her as a kid and she didn't watch it for 16-17 years until she got the role, they're making hateful CZcams videos and comments, demanding that her role be recast, bullying her etc.
Anyone noticed how Disney exploits POC by letting them take the hate for their mistakes? like they know cos they are POC they will get the hate rather than Disney themselves for making sub par films. LIKE Halle Bailey was in yet another Disney remake and they let her get the hate as she was the star even though she didnt write it (like niether did Rachel). Also they let Taika Waititi get the hate for Thor Love and Thunder when he might not have had 100% creative control and Disney/Marvel would have had some input. And now its happening to Rachel.
So a couple of things... - Woke has in this day and age lost ALL meaning thanks to all the hate-mongers that overuse it for everything. It used to mean something to a whole community; to stay aware of the ills of the world and be ready to fight discrimination and injustice. Now even using the term "woke" like Lindsay Ellis did in that video is just cringe worthy due to how vile the people that use it are. - I would add "Maleficent" to the list of over-written feminism; Maleficent went from the mistress of all evil to just a fairy that was misunderstood, made the huge mistake of 'FALLING IN LOVE WITH A MAN', A MAN cut her wings and now SHE IS DARK BECAUSE A MAN BETRAYED HER! And the worst change of all; they turned the Three Good Fairies, who in the original gave up their powers to live as peasants to protect and raise Aurora, into bumbling idiots would let Aurora die because of their incompetence, so it is Maleficent's turn to raise Aurora, and when she falls into the deep sleep...MALEFICENT WAKES HER UP WITH THE POWER OF LOVE...FEMINIST LOVE. It read like a major self-insert fanfic that it genuinely annoyed me. The 2017 "Beauty and the Beast" remake I liked, but I got annoyed how the script seemed to have been based on many "Cinemasins" videos and parody videos and the takeaway was "BELLE DID HAVE STOCKHOLD SYNDROME, AND SHE WAS SO DEPRESSED SHE DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO SAVE HERSELF ALL SHE DID WAS CRY SO LET'S FIX THAT!" and made Belle almost unlikable because she HAS to act like a beacon of feminism, heaven forbid she cries when she is imprisoned. - I feel this is one of the few sane takes on the whole Snow White "controversy" as everyone deep down knows what the issue is, but it is easier to pin the blame on Rachel than on Disney for pumping out these soulless remakes that don't really add to the mythos of the original animated classics, because even the biggest of haters still have a boner for corporations and even with all the criticism Disney has received (which many of it is justified), they rather protect the company than the actual human being who is just doing what the studio wants her to do.
I wish Disney would commit even more. Like the same basic story outline of Snow White but set in Brazil. Or Rapunzel set in Old Korea! I just wish they would go farther than just aesthetics and really remake the whole fairy-tale. Almost every culture has the same basic story tropes so I really wish they would go even farther. I feel like that's Disney's problem. They don't want to commit too much but also want the aesthetics and credit for representation. Is it just me or are these remake plots boring to begin with! Let's shake it up! Set beauty and the beast in the Cuban revolution and sleeping beauty in Kenya. Like I can't be the only one who would be really into that! I would be much more interested in seeing any of those movies then the same movie just slightly different aesthetics
Every live-action remake I've seen has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't see any magic in them; just shoddy craftsmanship, from the ground up, from a corporation whose greed is becoming more blatant with every passing day. But when the "backlash" against the remakes is taking the form of hate and harassment against the actors, especially actors of color? That's utterly despicable.
The removal of Li Shang in the live action Mulan also had a lot to do with homophobia, which comes as no surprise given that the film was made mainly for the chinese market; a market which didn't even like the original animated one to begin with.
â@@andream794 It's both. Disney didn't want to admit that they got rid of him for having bisexual "vibes" because they marketed themselves as lgbt friendly globally (which is far from the truth btw)
This was such a beautiful video. Thank you so much. It's been absolutely tearing me apart this past week to see a talented, earnest young woman be treated WORSE than her male co-stars who have ACTUALLY COMMITTED CRIMES
Itâs aggrieved entitlement. White people are mad that theyâre no longer the center of attention, so they feel like theyâre being replaced by people of color, even though white people still have plenty of media representation.
â@@jskywalker58wait am i missing something? why would this be sarcastic, the hatred of some random starlet in this way would strike any reasonable person as extremely racist and hellish. the poor girl is basically having her soul scooped out and served to a screaming jeering mob by a megacorporation for a quick buck. it is deeply disturbing and a horrible timeline
she's just one slightly overpaid entertainer, but the hatred is reflective of a broader strain of racism in the imperial core which concatenates its power every day and is becoming increasingly hazardous
Thank you!! The hate directed at Rachel has been over the top since her statements were just opinions and pretty tame. The fact that people choose to hate on her and demonize her over virtually nothing is ridiculous. Especially when Ezra Miller is still not in jail for grooming a child and commiting assault and battery against multiple people, and there are texts that exposed Jonah Hill for being controlling and manipulative toward his ex girlfriend. Yet somehow neither of them are public enemy number one, instead its a teenage girl who has a flawed take on a Disney movie. đ€Šđ€Š Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of Disney remakes except for Cinderella and The Jungle Book, and I doubt the film is going to be good because Disney as a studio has been very lazy with remakes, but the actress does not deserve all the hate being directed toward her.
Tame? Did you even watch her interview? And whats with the whataboutism? Last time I checked nobody liked Erza Miller, believe it of not, people can dislike mire than one person and Erza is not the topic at hand. If I were to call you an ahole or insult you and when you get mad at me for saying that, I would say: "why are you mad at me? There's worse people out there" would that fly with you? If not then bringing Erza here makes no sense.
@@Rex13013 It's VERY tame compared to stuff other actors have said about their movies. Also, that's not their point. They're saying that there are incredibly terrible things that are far worse happening in the industry than Rachel disliking Snow White, but we're still focusing on that for some reason? It's not that deep, honestly.
I know this isn't what the video is about but, I gotta say I find it so funny when people act like race/ethnicity bending is some sort of new thing. Kristin Kreuk, a Chinese-Canadian woman, played Snow White all the way back in 2001. The same series (The Wonderful World of Disney) also casted Brandy as Cinderella in the 90s. And let's not forget the 60s Batman series casting Eartha Kitt as Catwoman, 80s Batman casting Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, The Wiz, Blacula, John Leguizamo and Harold Perrineau as Tybalt and Mercutio in Romeo + Juliet, or The Muppets' Wizard of Oz casting Ashanti as Dorothy. The point is...this isn't a new concept by any means. People just want to be angry for the sake of being angry.
Social media didnât exist when those movies came out. That being said, Iâm sure there were people who complained about those casting choices but they were not a vocal minority.
@@beethovensfidelio Oh for sure! I was specifically talking about the people who pretend race bending is some new "woke Hollywood" invention that just started happening within the last 10 years
i donât know how much rachel goes through youtube or social media in general anymore, but i hope she sees this and sees that people still have her back. i miss how open she used to be on youtube when it was just a bunch of theater-loving teenagers who interacted with her, but i do understand itâs for the best that she stays offline as much as possible nowadays.
Wtf is so wrong with princesses becoming the MAIN girl, boss ass girls, and just doing shit themselves??? Who tf said that disney wasn't go ahead in time and do a Disney Prince's franchise? Why can't girls just be powerful???
the backlash rachel zegler is getting for describing a script she didn't write and for being a successful up and coming actress who apparently comes across as annoying is reminding me a lot of when tabloids and people on social media arbitrarily decided to hate anne hathaway 10 years ago
The whole "she's not even a fan of Snow White" thing... I know it's minor, but it really stuck out to me. It's really weird, but then I thought about how if films are seen as branded content rather than pieces of art, I guess brand loyalty becomes really important to some people. Still weird to use that to criticise an actor, though.
as always, Yhara, I appreciate your nuanced and fair-minded yet empathetic approach to such divisive topics in the media. so much of the hatred towards Rachel is so overblown (she's only 22 and before West Side Story was literally just a random HS student) and it's insane to me how a multi-billion media conglomerate like disney continues to put young WOC very new to the film industry in the frontlines of their movies to face all the hate whilst they themselves say and do nothing to protect them. particularly when it is THE COMPANY that is underpaying its workers, re-cycling tired and gatekept IP, and trying to force repackaged media under "progressive ideals" (whilst not aligning with those values at all in their actual d2d business) to hide their problems.
Poor Halle and Rachel. I can't imagine getting so much hate just for taking a role in a movie. It's their job! It's what they do. Honestly the only thing that matters to me is if they can sing. And man, can Halle ever sing. (I haven't heard Rachel yet.) I really don't want a repeat of Emma Watson...
Ppl giving her shit for not liking the original cartoon bc it scared her as a child is wild. Ask ANY group of ppl what movies scared them when they were little and the old Snow White will come up! It's almost universal!
I saw a news post on instagram from buzzfeed or a similar site about this whole quote-unquote "outrage", and when i looked at the comments it was truly staggering how quickly it went from "people who genuinely disagreed with what she said" to "people blatantly using this as an excuse to say the most racist shit imaginable". like random people on twitter and such complaining about her interview is one thing, but it feels genuinely kind of irresponsible for an actual news site to be promoting this whole petty drama further. it feels like it's just giving some of the worst people on the internet more of an outlet to say awful things
I think latinas deserve better than a Snow White remake, and that black people deserve better than a the little mermaid. But I also have to recognize disgust with myself due to the fact that I was made to realize I was invested in the whiteness of Disney princesses, which is fucked. I wanted so desperately for the little mermaid to take place in Africa or the Caribbean and to be about a prosperous black kingdom because not only do Americans not know anything about global history especially lot about Africa, Latin America or Asia, Americans by and large donât understand Latin Americans are mixed or that North Africa isnât black. I think in Snow White would have worked with an Asian actress, hair as black as night, skin as white as snow and lips red as blood. But I have to ask myself if Iâm attempting to justify my discontent with Rachel Ziegler being cast as Snow White because sheâs part Latina even though ethnically sheâs more white than not, even though Iâm half Mexican. I have to ask myself, even though itâs more âjustifiedâ in this case is it really enough? I donât think it helps films like this that for people on the far right that it plays into fears of the great replacement theory, that non-white actors are replacing white actors is only to them a microcosm of what they fear is going to happen that really isnât while simultaneously being evidence of it. I am afraid of the fact I had a subconscious bias about this though and I havenât really examined what it means beyond that, I guess Iâm curious if anybody had any realizations similar to that though.
"Americans"... it's important to distinguish WHICH Americans. So many voices and experiences are being undermined and erased when it this is falsely implied to be an issue of nationality when we're right here aware and trying to educate despite also being on the receiving end of this ignorance from fellow citizens.
Just to say some ppl of north africa can be considered black or have sub saharan ancestry but your right that the majority of ppl in north african countries are still different
@@jennah5990 I probably should have specified that, since people of different races are perfectly capable of having been born and lived in or moved to and naturalized to a North African country or any country and still be just as much a citizen of that country as people of an ethnic background which makes up the majority of citizens in that country. Iâm putting a lot of effort into trying to learn more about the world since I feel like Iâve been shut off from so much by living in the states.
I had this realization too not when it came to little mermaid but when it came to snow white. Ashamed of myself to say the least but i was leaning in with the crowd of people saying she wasnt fit to be playing snow white because she is a poc. Then halfway i was seeing that the hate had become too ridiculous and the actress' words were being scrutinized to the point of people forgetting her opinions can change and develop. At the end of the day disney made their choice, the original film and story isnt going anywhere, and people will continue to forget that they can just simply not watch the movie just to continue their whines and moans about how disney went "woke". Regardless of their hate im probs still gonna watch the movie anyway lol
@@gh0stpc360 Are people allowed to not agree with the casting? All I'm seeing is people getting offended by others who say no to these Remakes. Why recreate something that worked the first time?
If I were any of these actresses, I would never work with Disney again. They are literally doing nothing to protect the actresses. And I will stand by the FACT that Halle was a GREAT casting choice and even the girlie chosen for snow white kinda looks like Snow White which is cool to me. So, Disney is making pretty good casting choices but they are also using them to create outrage, while not doing anything to protect their actors like dang it sucks. Because these aren't bad casting choices, but Disney isn't sticking up for them at all. Y'all need to boycott Disney as a company, instead of hating on "creative choices" that just ends up being hating on the lead actresses.
I agree with the take here completely, and a big thing for me that proves how skin motivated these things are is the tone and feeling of the outrage. When fans of Mulan were outraged about the new movie, people were hesitant at first, but most I saw were ready to give it a shot. When the complaints came, they had righteous indignation and some teeth. Filming practices, disrespect and lack of understanding of the original movie and poem, etc.- and fans really rallied around about how terrible that movie was when it came out. There were dozens of essays tearing it apart. The Little Mermaid started receiving outrage from the moment these people first saw that first promotional image. The complaints came before we even knew about the bad CG or the crappy new songs. The outrage wasn't based on an interest in human rights, it wasn't based on feeling like a culture of peoples was being disrespected, and you could tell from the start that the outrage wasn't really coming from the "fans". Now, those same people who got upset the moment they saw a black woman in "their" Disney films, these people who clearly aren't dedicated "fans"- (and like, find me a dedicated snow white superfan in 2023) -saw the press images for Snow White and are having the same meltdown as before. Only this time, they can't openly say they're mad about the lead actresses' race, because that would mean confronting the idea that they don't feel comfortable accepting her as a white woman. She's not white enough for them, or the "right kind" of white for them. I hate that Disney just keeps feeding these young actors to these wolves.
And getting so hateful about it. Or saying that her closing her Insta comments because "she can't handle being called out" or maybe because she doesn't deserve getting harassed for an opinion people didn't like
I'm a dedicated fan of Snow White and the Disney Princesses and all of this is pretty irritating for me to say the least. From the tired "girl boss" trope to Zegler's smug and irreverent attitude with the original film. It doesn't help people to warm up to her. And at the risk of being called racist, she is also not "as white as snow" nor as beautiful as Gal Gadot who played the Evil Queen. It's just wrong in so many ways and Disney should just cancel this whole thing. It's a flop waiting to happen đ
Iâm so glad Iâm not the only person to think this hate again Rachel Ziegler has been mostly just outrage. Iâve heard so many bad things about this woman and I barely remembered her until all of this hate came about. Itâs scary how easily people become hostile towards these actors for the smallest of opinions. I couldnât imagine how people would make her feel for the way she eats something or for making one mistake like saying someoneâs name wrong. They make it seem like just because she was scared of the film as a child doesnât mean she can overcome that fear and pretend to be a fictional person. đ And why make up lies about her? Because she said one thing they disagree with? Now we all have to doghouse on her? Sometimes, I think people need a bit of a break from the internet.
She shat on the movie in a single interview and that had NOTHING to do with her being a woman. If you sell a project your a CRUCIAL part of short, then itâll be taken as such. Itâs marketing. Honesty is welcome, and so is criticism. But Rachel did neither, she came across as spiteful and seemed as if she didnât want to be a part of the project. So why should we want to see it? In the end this is a product, take the chance to sell it and appreciate its origins. I do agree that the internet was harsh on her as well as how eerily easy it is to act this way online, but man..she pulled out some serious bs.
â@@Evute02You think in the interview Disney didn't approve of what ever she said. It's snow white, it isn't that deep. You are overexaggrating. Alot of male actors do that same shit.
Jfc I searched Rachel Zegler on here as I was watching this video and the top results arenât even her interviews or something, itâs just a bunch of channels calling her âwokeâ cos she was candid with her opinion
I hate how as soon as the âpublicâ doesnât like a young talented woman sheâs pinned with being a âpick-meâ. (Honestly I think a bit of the annoyance comes from people who think social media isnât real life and that they themselves shouldâve been cast instead but boohoo you didnât get picked, she did suck it up) Inevitably the same people who are shitting on these young women are the same ones who in 5-10-20 years time will be asking why we were so mean to her and how they always loved her and that we shouldnât tear down women etc. Itâs a vicious cycle that society cannot seem to escape. We let the reigns go on a public enemy like anne hathaway just to tighten the reigns on the next girl until sheâs âpaid her duesâ of being put through hell and back.
â@@liampatrick3110 Snow White is literally the most useless and boring princess all she has is being pale and corny and change to her story will instantly be a improvement
The hate she gets from every direction is so wild, like from bigots and so-called feminists? For something she said during a press tour, where actors are literally just trying to promote the movie?? I really don't understand. I also think a lot of ppl think she's like too exuberant in interviews or something, like they think she should act more shy since she's so new to the industry or something. Like I've seen comments on her "aggressive personality," it's so fucking weird!!
I think youâre being too light on her thereâs a tik tok of her talking about being a light skinned Latina and other where she says she deserves every penny from a movie in a rather pedantic tone
@@justinherrera3722ârather pedantic toneâ sure, letâs hate mob an actress because she spoke in a rather pedantic tone and spoke about being a light skinned Latina. Makes perfect sense!
â@justinherrera3722 should we start writing hardcore think pieces every time a famous person is sarcastic, which as everyone knows is a horrifically offensive crime,
â@@justinherrera3722Love how you're actively misquoting her and hoped no one would notice. What she actually said was that she deserved money for every hour a movie she stared in was streamed... as does every actor. Her words were in support of the fact that streaming actors are paid peanuts and they should be given way more, same as the writers. You're the exact kind of person the video was talking about. Piss off with your fake outrage. If you don't want to see her on Tiktok, block her.
This!!! Also the fact that people are criticizing everything about her down to the way she speaks or her tone of voice... all of a sudden now that she's saying the exact same things about snow white that emma watson was saying about belle, it's a problem? not only that, but where emma watson would be called confident and echoing feminism, rachel zegler is called aggressive, haughty, or entitled. When kristen stewart calls snow white a leader, she's being cool, but when rachel zegler says it it's a problem. I wonder why ! đ
How people talk says a lot, it's one way to catch red flags. The way she spoke in the interview came off a bit pretentious and ignores that there are so many people who grew up with the classic and love it. Certainly turned me off to the whole thing (that and I like dwarves as dwarves call me weird, don't care), but to speak the way she did made it sound like she was trashing the original and that's what stuck with people. That may not have been her intent but is how she came off, and why she really should have had an agent from Disney backing her up.
Fr tho. Tbh I don't think Emma Watson was a good choice for Belle, but people ate it up because she was in Harry Potter. To be fair, I think people are praising now Kristen because of the upcoming movie, she used to get a lot of hate back then. I don't think is genuine.
â@@moonsy-9733unless she said boatloads more than what was included in this video, she was not ignoring why anyone else would like the movie, she just said why SHE didn't like it (she was a little kid and it was scary, + of course she's going to promote this movie as better than the og because it's a fucking press tour and it's her job to make people want to see it. Every actor on every press tour for all time has been doing the same when they're in a remake). A person using a tone of voice that you don't like is not a "red flag" lmao none of us know this woman. Red flag for what exactly, that you personally won't like her as a celebrity?? Or the next time she gets publicly canceled you get to say "ohh i never liked her I could tell from the way she talked." Sincerely get over it
The mention of Shazam flopping reminded me, watch Blue Beetle if you want an actually good superhero movie with an actually diverse creative team behind it
I find it kinda fUnNy how ppl were so quick to hate on Rachel ( at first) because âhEr SkIn iSnT aS wHiTe aS SnOwâ and yet if you look at her parents, ONE OF THEM IS GERMAN, WHO KNOW WHICH DISNEY PRINCESS IS GERMAN, SNOW WHITE!!! Bruh they literally cast someone whoâs mixed (half German) and people were so so so quick to talk shit about her skin colour. I think that fuelled the hate that she got recently bc ppl were already mad that she â nOt LiKe tHe oRiGiNaLâ and then as soon as she said âyeah, I donât WANT this to be like the originalâ they got so upset. I can 100% guarantee that if she was white she would not be getting HALF the hate she is, AND THATS SCREWED UP! Also, she was completely right in regards to the Disney ride âSnow Whites Spooky Adventuresâ being TERRIFYING for a young child. I remember going on it and being super creeped out. She should not get hate for talking about a poorly marketed Disney ride she went on as a toddler.
and she still has some european descent from her Colombian (most likely) side too so she can still be considered as âwhiteâ or a âwhite latinaâ
@@jennah5990yeah thatâs what us latinos refer to her as a white latina or of latin descent like sheâs just slightly tanned and people somehow find a problem with it
I've been ignoring the live actions since they started, even with Beauty and the Beast which is my favorite Disney princess. Because they all felt cheap and an easy way to get you go to the cinema and I was broke at that time too so saved it all for marvel movies. So as someone who saw everything on the shadows, the outrage definitely started when POC got involved.
At this point, every actress thatâs been at the head of these remakes has given interviews talking about how girlboss their take on the characters are - it feels less conspiracy and more likely that Disney is giving them the talking points and letting them take the heat for the most tired âthis aint your parentâs Disney movieâ quotes ever đ Rachel is an actress building up her career with some of the most iconic musical roles - people need to let her be.
This feels very⊠Meghan Markle 2.0. But maybe worse because sheâs only 22 - less self-assured and possibly more mentally vulnerable. Itâs scary how extreme and intentional people are when attacking women and girls. Itâs an ancient practice really. Never took much to be targeted for destruction as a woman or poc. God help the woc. Praying that she survives this.
@camocamouflage people are sending her death threats. if you search her name on youtube, there are thousands of videos tearing her apart for a few comments with thousands of comments doing the same thing. that has to do a lot of damage to a singular person, especially when they're so new to the indudstry
The old Snow White ride at Walt Disney World was infamous for scaring children. It was replaced quite a long time ago, now. If that was her second exposure to Snow White, itâs an actual trip through the scary forest, yeah I wouldnât choose to rewatch it, either. Great video, thank you!
To add onto the she won't be saved by a prince. You can even watch interviews based on other disney princess's and the actors say the exact same thing.
As soon as the vitriolic movement against this young woman started, I just thought âcan we please fast forward to the backlash-to-the-backlash phase of the viscous media consumption cycle.â Iâm so tired.
As someone who really liked the Little Mermaid remake but still has mostly negative feelings about Disney live-action adaptations (the only other one I like is 2015âs Cinderella), you encapsulated a lot of my thoughts about them and the publicâs (mostly) shallow takes on the original movies in the first place. I wish the discussion around Halleâs casting wasnât so cynical; because while people acknowledged that Disney was silent about the vitriol she got, there were also a lot of leftists who implied she was cast specifically because sheâs black and virtually nothing elseâjust to get The Public âą talking and African American Butts âą in seats. It felt very insidious and ironically racist⊠But I also wonder, if these remakes *were* actually great, if old white guys didnât decide what feminism was and any attempts at feminism were better than what we usually get, what valid criticisms would people be able to hide behind to shit on these actresses? What else would they have to say besides the very obvious âThese remakes arenât super necessaryâ? (Also, Iâll never forgive the decision to not deck Halle out in more extravagant costumes on land. Rob Marshall struck gold when he cast Halle and Jonah for Ariel and Eric but Idk why he didnât make the lighthearted princess movie look like a spectacle with its cinematography or set design or even the costume design TT_TT) *Edit:* TLM cast and crew and even Bob Iger himself (who sucks) showed support for Halle but I genuinely wanna know how Disney can protect their actors from these hate trains online? Could they turn off comments on certain videos or something?
Itâs because nuance died years ago. People canât understand the influence of constant anger on their lives is cancer! You can disagree, 2 things can be true at the same time, there can be arguments that donât turn toxic⊠or at least in the past. The whole cancellation of movies people havenât seen is pure politics
@@jasminewilliams1673 It's depressing tbh because you can't give valid criticism of something online without people automatically assuming you're just a straight up hater đ
That's one of the things I disliked about the remained. Halle Bailey and Jonah are good lookong people and had chemistry. They deserved a movie with better execution, costumes and cinematography.
@@a.d.w8385 Oh yeah definitely! The script was really good (my favorite parts were when Ariel and Eric were together) but the visual aspects were lacking. It didn't look ugly but it could've been significantly better.
â@@toomanycrownsI think the reason why that is bolis down to how people take criticism nowadays. If someone for example said that they didn't like Disney Remakes, then they must be a HATER and not a REAL fan. It comes from Brand Loyalty and the idea of being fair with a company that doesn't even know our names. It's fine if we disagree on a film. But whenever we call someone a name because they didn't like the latest movie, then that is where problems start.
I wonder if Ever After would receive this much hate if it were made today, since it was praised for creating a Cinderella that didn't wait to be rescued by the prince (something that Drew Barrymore had brought up repeatedly, even as recent as when she reunited with some of her cast members on her talk show).
"i dont understand why theyre attacking her and not disney" because they know disney is invulnerable, and the power fantasy only works if one can see their power in the hurt they cause someone
I pray that Rachel stays strong through this. How utterly repulsive of these racist, sexist, people to attack a child. She's 20, she's not even old enough to drink. She's a baby, this is ridiculous. I'm so ticked off, those morons better hope their idiotic hatred isn't spewed around me bc I will crack skulls.
Rachel Zegler is 22 years old, one year above the legal drinking age. She may be young, but sheâs not a baby. Sheâs a grown woman who just needs a better PR team.
it reminds me of brie larson (big surprise) because she really never did anything wrong people just hated her so intensely. she maybe made an unfunny joke and just happened to be in a bad movie with a surface level view on girl power but she didnât actually do anything to anyone. itâs the same situation over again. I feel like we see this type of thing a lot where the internet just finds a woman to hate for no reason.
I actually would love you to cover this too because the CZcams hate factory has been working overtime and Iâm just tired of this. These videos existed for 2 years straight to the point that if you look up The Little Mermaid it just brings up hate video after hate video. Now itâs just switching targets.
Hating women is a lucrative business. A lot of the hate sheâs getting is very much inflated and fake. Its a bunch of dudes trying to make of her what they did with Brie Larson: a cash cow and quick target for clout. Thereâs men whoâve talked like her about their roles who have gotten less hate. When woman openly talk about how they think their roles are subversive or empowering, the internet has become a breeding ground for grifters to use their words to make money off of outrage and hate. It is very much not just about racism or sexism: itâs about making money off of racism and sexism. Itâs very disgusting.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 If you want a wide enough example, just look up what the Manosphere is. The likes of Andrew Tate and Fresh & Fit literally made a lot of money off of hating women and catering to incels. The entire ''Anti-SJW/Woke movement'' is all based mainly on hating women and minorities for clout. They make BANK shitting on women on a daily basis. Just look at how much hate the likes of Brie Larson, Megan Thee Stallion, Dylan Mulvaney, Anita Sarkeesian, Greta Thunberg and many others get. It's very obvious how misogyny is insanely profitable both online and in mainstream media. Look at the constant bullshit they put Britney Spears through. You can literally set up a microphone with two of your buds, talk mad shit about women, say they suck cause they have it easy or are all whores, sell it as a podcast and watch as mfs will throw money at you. It is a BIG business, and it is disgusting.
@@Bunihime How does this make me part of the problem? The person above is claiming that the hate Rachel is receiving is mainly from DUDES. I have also seen women on TikTok of all places calling her out on her behavior. To assume that it is only due to supposed "racism" or "making money of it" is nothing more than a Conspiracy Theory.
Nope, some women deserve criticism, and criticusing them is not any -ism, it's just common sense. You try to make everything about gender, while we criticuse them for their behaviour
Literally the only problem I have with it is I am so sick of Disney remaking the same movies for a cash grab thatâs whatâs truly angering, like Iâm sick of seeing new stories of poc and queer characters being passed up and tossed aside by fake inclusion and empowerment- like I genuinely donât care about her at all I hate DISNEY for passing up original stories just to make a live action remake of things weâve seen a million times- like I just want new shit at this point. Give new writers opportunities to tell their own stories
I bet the people hating on her are the same people who says "this generation is so sensitive" And The way disney did nothing to defend her and Ariel means that they are letting this happen on purpose
I want many people to see this video. There is a fake news video released 5 days ago saying Zegler got fired and kicked out of the movie set. It's so funny that I don't even have to check if it's fake or not.
tbh mulan didnât even really fall for shang, he fell for her and she accepted his affections at the end of the film. which makes it even weirder that disney removed him to try to be âfeministâ lol.
Actually, Mulan did have a crush on Shang. Go look at that scene between her and Mushu after she called Shang âa great captain.â It happens right after the lake scene. (Which is around the middle of the movie) She was into him, but pretending to be a man so she wouldnât be killed according to Chinese law for most of the movie kind of put romance on the back burner. đ
@@hellopumpkin86 i wasnât saying that she didnât like him. i was saying that he was definitely more into her than she was into him, which makes sense, because mulan was more focused on keeping her secret and adjusting to military life while shang was realizing that he was interested in her as ping (bisexual legend). obviously she also liked him as well, otherwise she wouldnât have accepted his interest in her.
there is an accidental title insert in the video that i did not notice until just now and i will be blurring it as soon as i can because how embarrassing a house full of condiments and no food
I honestly thought you did it on purpose as an artistic choice to say, âThis topic is so exhausting and ridiculous I canât even be bothered to fully edit the video.â đ
@SodaVampire ...... yes that's exactly what happened haha yes entirely planned lol
@@Yharazayd we love a queen who plans out her stuff
Don't change a thing, sis. You made interpretive artđ
I didn't even question it. What you were talking about aligned like, perfectly with what the title says, so I just thought it meant "Read the title; that's what this segment is about, I don't need to say it twice" and it just made sense.
I always get so upset about the criticism towards Cinderella. Because it's not true, Cinderella didn't even know what the prince looked like when she went to the ball. It was a chance to get out of the prison her home had become and experience something new. When the opportunity to permanently leave by becoming the princess, she took it. She used her animal friends to free herself and meet the Grand Duke and try on the glass slipper. The prince is just a reward but not the goal she worked towards.
Also Ariel wanted to be HUMAN, she was fascinated with the human world
She didn't just give it all up for a Prince, homeboy was just the cherry on top
I've always read Cinderella as a story about a girl escaping an abusive household. I'd say that's pretty empowering!
â@@spiceupyourafterlifeyeah, but people never got that. Ever. And a lot of the Cinderella adaptations will gloss this over.
THANK đ YOUđ
Idk why people judge so hard Cinderella. Like she was abused and still kept her kind nature in her. That day she was excited to leave her oppressive household, not excited to meet the prince. Like why would you judge her taking the opportunity to marry someone she loves + getting the benefit of having a rich royal husband. Cmon I would have fight too
This is why it's so important to have hobbies outside of media consumption
that part!
PREACH!
@harriyana Oh snap itâs Harriyana, hi!
YES
Well, does writing count? Because consumption, writing and stuff like discourse and fanfiction *about* media are all basically in the same category
Bro, like who wasn't afraid of the dark forest chase scene from Snow White if you watched it as kid?
I know I was lol
I remember i went on the ride when I was 9 at Disneyworld and I was absolutely terrified
I thought it was bad ass as a 6 year old lol. But I was also scared shitless of veggie tales, so⊠đ
I wasn't, but then, I was a weird kid who liked scary things.
As a kid myself I was terrified of the magic mirror because I found its face creepy
I also find this super ironic because Adriana Caselotti who voiced Snow White in the original film only got paid $970 for the movie, wasnât credited on the film, and then allegedly was blacklisted from Hollywood because Walt Disney didnât want her voice on any non Disney works which pretty much kept her from getting any work in the industry. Now they are putting out a remake of this movie in the middle of SAG-AFTRA strike for not paying and mistreating writers and actors. The only difference is instead of completely silencing an actress theyâre letting Rachel Zegler be the scapegoat for their entire company allowing them to make a bunch of money for a calculated woke rage scandal
Exactly
is there any actual evidence of that or is it hidden with walt's frozen head?
â@@LynnHermioneyes there is evidence, took me two seconds of googling to find
Christ, this is kinda what happened with Peter Pan's VA
Whoa. I did NOT know they did that to her. That's so messed up.
I'm starting to resent the "Stick to the feminine Heroines Whose Power was their Gentleness" vs "Girl Boss Princess Whose Not Like The Other Girls" dichtomony discourse.
Part of the reason I find Disney's "Hey we remade it to be Progressive" marketing is that a lot of these films are decades old. Like yeah, I would freaking hope so, not a high bar. These are historical films. They where often ground breaking in their time and you'd hope today's film making would push on forwards.
And to be fair films like Encanto and Turning Red do, but those aren't the ones that feel the need to market themselves like this.
At the same time those films where reflective of their time, even circumstances as Snow White's screen time was affected by the fact that realistic human animation was new ground. If we have to revisit them (I've always suspected as brand maintenance) then there's always room to be inspired by and explore.
Give me that Cinderella that looks at her from the lense of an abuse survivor, give me Sleeping Beauty that recognises the old lady Fairies driving role. Hell there's been criticism from the dwarfism community over the choice to do this remake at all, maybe take the opportunity to build a story on that acknowledgement of its history in forming people's ideas of dwarfism and let a little person with lived experience tell it in the way they choose.
Part of the reason this discourse is so frustrating is that it feels like a conversation that belongs decades ago and comes at the cost of actual progress and creation.
Some of how Zegler talked about the film is a little tired but this so repetitive Disney Marketing speak that anyone treating it like its new feels like part of the problem. If anything her words felt pretty mild.
Just leaving a reply to say "here here" and let you know how perfectly you expressed the sentiment!
Good points
Extremely well said!
I see no lies told!
So well-said thank you đđ
I really hate how people crap on Snow White. She was the Great Depression heroine. Her story of helplessness, but also resilience, in the face of trauma echoes a time when families were mass starving to death. The prince is just a symbol: her reward for being a good and kind person despite the horror she endures.
@@youtubesupportsfascismItâs even creepier in the fairy tale when you realize that Snow White was seven years old. đŹ
Her body may have aged in the Disney film but not her mind. đ
â@@beethovensfidelioActually that is a myth
This fruit looks familiar
@@beethovensfidelio when the prince found her she was adult and the story is about Snow White becoming an adultes why the queen grown old
I never considered looking up when Snow White came out nor made the connection to the Great Depression. Thank you for writing this comment... I'm definitely going to jump down a rabbit hole now đ
There's another thing that I think is often overlooked: actors don't really have that much agency over the projects they take part in. They don't get to pick and choose the parts they audition for (their agent does that) and they don't have a say in the parts they get (the casting directors do). Plus, very few of them can afford to turn a role down, so they often take part in projects that they don't really care about. Zegler is just doing her job.
i appreciate her honesty about getting roles like she literally said she took the shazam 2 role because she "needed a job." she was too real for that lol
@@Yharazaydand her acting is great too, i didnât even finish Shazam 2 cos it was so bad but from what i saw she was good in it (thought she was amazing in West side story). happy she got that paycheck!!
That is my thing too. As these audiences should be aware of by now (given the strike) is that these actors more than likely NEED the job. Why boycott someone getting the bag -especially when they NEED it!
Yeah every other live action princess was asked to downplay the boyfriend in the press tour, and they all very much had boyfriend prince characters. Yet you don't see as much extreme reaction to Emma Watson's very silly interviews where she had to say that beauty and the beast was not about her beauty or about, well, the beast.
â@@YharazaydDo you think it will Bomb at the box office?
what upsets me so much is that people...........don't have to watch these movies. idk i just can't go into watching something i don't really have interest in. i never watched the live action aladdin because it never caught my interest.
up until the little mermaid, which i only watched to support halle, i hadn't seen a single live action remake because i haven't been interested. it's that easy.
It's something that is part of our culture and dear to our hearts.
@@dhsf5937 you can still watch the original......
I don't go to see them, but gosh people and media don't shut up about them! It was impossible to escape the little mermaid content.
They're saying they're not gonna watch it. Have you been on twitter. This film is gonna flop
hilarous that everyone was calling her "the boring" disney princess and now all of the sudden, out of thin air, *everyone* cares about snow white. đ
Like I don't doubt she has fans (on a video discussing it I have seen people say they like her because of how kind and compassionate she is) but I also wouldn't be skeptical that people will use this to jump on a hate bandwagon
I know people who adore her.
This is how all this outrage and cancel culture works. No one actually gives a shit about all the stuff they propose to be angry about. They just want to a reason to be angry and use others as their emotional punching bag to get over their shittt life...as if it is that one person's fault rather than the powers that be. Sad really. We need to do better as humans if we are going to get anywhere and continue to advance.
She is one of the most boring princesses. Her and Aurora barely had personalities.
fr i never in my life met people who gaf about snow white.
Thank you for pointing out how Disney is the source of the problem, not the actresses.
Yep
Also is Disney planning on EVER stepping up and doing anything to protect their actresses from this racism and misogyny or.... Don't tell me there's nothing they can do they are LITERALLY DISNEY.
Disney can't stop People from talking about somebody on social media. đđđđđ
What, And stop the flow of free publicity at the expense of the mental well-being of people they are fighting tooth and nail to not even compensate properly for their work???
@@KookiesNolly Fair, I was giving them the completely undeserved benefit of the doubt.
Disney is losing money, as we speak. Y'all are not Disney's bread and butter. The people who are complaining are. And they can break Disney financially
They wonât. They donât care. They only care about profit.
Rachel Zegler getting womanâd was expected but Iâm still shocked.
I thought we were all aware of Disneyâs weird habit of girlboss-ifying their princesses as a way to dodge former criticisms the older counterparts faced⊠why is it only a problem now?
Because racism!
Halle Bailey got slammed for criticizing the animated film, yet her feminist criticisms against Ariel are nothing new, since theyâve existed long before she was even born.
Yep, even in 1989, people were complaining about Ariel setting the feminist movement back 50 years.
Your point about how actors not needing to be fans of a role reminded me of how in Doctor Who, there were several actors to play The Doctor who weren't previously fans of the show and nobody cared... until a woman (Jodie Whittaker) got cast as them, then an actor 'needing to be a fan' suddenly became a huge talking point
This is such a good point I actually remember how cool everyone thought it was when David Tennant said he was a huge Doctor Who fan before taking on the role. It wasn't something people necessarily expected so it was a nice thing to hear.
â@@rampion1228Then Matt Smith said he didn't start watching Doctor Who extensively until he was researching for what his role needed of him... like any other actor lol.
Yes, even the actor that played Stannis Baratheon didn't understand why anyone would like Game of Thrones and people were ok with that. Even joking, "wow, he is just playing himself".
The real problem was that the quality of episodes lowered sooo much when they chose Joddie
@@DagmarRokita667 that's not about jodie though, hell in the other bbc show she was in she's apparently one of the highlights, iirc its because they had steven moffat as one of the lead directors and hes. really not good at running a show, especially when it has to deal with female leads (as evidenced by sherlock and it's mishandling of female characters/simultaneous queerbaiting)
Also, I donât buy into the âmake original moviesâ argument because original films with original Black leads or queer stories will still get attacked and called âforced diversityâ by the anti-woke brigade. I havenât forgotten the hateful backlash to Black Panther, Finn in Star Wars, Woman King, Strange World, and so many others.
people had a massive hate boner for turning red because a) it included periods as an important part of the narrative and b) the lead was asian and they didn't like that
THANK YOU, Iâm so annoyed when ppl just simply say make your own og stories when those stories barley get any attraction or like you said they called âforced diversityâ, an example i can think of is âWishâ. That movie is featuring a new original black princess (more specifically afro-latina) and yet i barley hear it being talked about or promoted, this all feels like a lose-lose situation
Yes yes yes, this whole as comment. And I LOVE Strang world đ€đ€đ€đ€đ€
@@jennah5990 and that, in itself, is concerning, given that Wish is literally the cornerstone film of the 100th anniversary celebration.
@@jennah5990 itâs such a shame itâs not getting promoted more bc ariana debose is such a talent and the trailer actually looks interesting! the animation looks different from what weâre used to from disney and i like what weâve heard of the music so far. hopefully promo will kick in a month or so away from release
I've noticed recently a lot of accusations of "pick me's" and NLOGs against young women who aren't fans of nostalgic girly media. I get the sentiment, like "oh you didn't like Snow White growing up? You didn't like the Barbie cinematic universe so you didn't connect with the Barbie movie? You must've been an NLOG back then and you're still one now." And I'm sure that's true for some women, but it's also completely ignoring that even if girly media like Barbie and Twilight have been historically panned in comparison to boyish nostalgic media, they're still the hegemonic feminine media. Growing up a tomboy who didn't connect to Barbie or Snow White doesn't mean you hate other women. Frankly I think the montage scene at the end of Barbie was powerful because it didn't solely center on the childhood experience of Barbie, but on the joy of girlhood more generally. The assumption that every girl that didn't fit the mold hated or hates other girls or women, and is thus open for criticism is so antithetical to feminism and frankly reeks of radfem rhetoric. Any rejection of hegemonic femininity is somehow an appeal to masculinity and thus inherently evil, somehow. It's the way these people automatically assume the worst in other women for the most innocuous personal statements (not to mention how much they show how their sense of self is formed by media consumption).
Addendum: not to mention the fact that the focus on media consumption as self-actualization means that women have to like the exact same girly media as the critic in order to pass the sniff test. Like, what if we found out Rachel loved Mulan growing up? Would she get treated any better by the tik tok talking heads? I doubt it, even though there's no material difference in someone's connection to femininity based on which Disney movies they watched as kids
THIS. You belong to the 10% of smart wonen who actually understand this.
I don't hate "them" for being girly girls. I hate them for being dumb and toxic
so much so that katniss, triss, hermoine and bella often get hate cos they werent traditionally feminine and ppl r like: ''they were such pick me's, NLOG, '' but they were js themselves, js cos one woman is nerdy, tomboy, or simply doesnt wear mk up or dont like feminine things doesnt mk them a pick me and doesnt mk them a tomboy either, but many times if u say u dont like pink ppl will think ur hating on women and these r often takes by so called feminists, whats so feminist abt attacking a woman simply for hvg different tastes? so now we hv to like only female heroes, look up to women only and only like pink to prove we support women? i also remember buzzfeed getting attacked cos women made a vid abt super heroes andt hey chose male heroes and ppl gave them shit for not choosing female ones, like cant a girl like spiderman w/out being called misogynist? and also can we stop calling misogynist anyone who calls out a toxic woman? for example on twitter u get attacked if u pt out that a female celeb is toxic. y is that misogyny? we dont hv to like every woman to be supportive of women rights, and we shouldnt like all feminine things or look feminine to be feminists. modern feminism contradicts itself all the time, ''we support u asl ong as ur on our side, if ur different we abandon u''
@@DalmaSafra this but in English
@@DalmaSafra that last part gets to me. Feminism is very, very broad. The feminism that was taught to me at least tells me how complicated and diverse women's lives are. When I went on to see discourse on this, unfortunately mostly online, I am saddened that many who claim to be feminists are very hateful and are putting people into "boxes", black & white perspectives, etc.
In short there's this "standard" of being labeled a feminist, there is a "standard" of a true feminist heroine, etc. that people should abide by and it's very monolithic, too narrow. And unfortunately for them, it also stands to scrutiny and some things changes with the times, as we learn and criticize the past, to come out of it better.
There was also Twitter outrage about Rachel Zeigler about her being "white" when she was cast as Lucy Gray Baird in the Snakes and Songbirds movie. The reason is that people felt convinced that Lucy Gray was going to be a Woman of Color given a tweet that Nina Jacobson about how they wanted to cast the movie, and by their standards, Rachel did not count as a person of color. So yeah, this woman really does just get it from all sides. I think Rachel's talented and I hope she stucks around, just like Brie Larson did, and doesn't let herself get run out of Hollywood. And in regards to Lucy Gray Baird, there are ZERO references in the book as to what she looks like. I don't think even a hair color was mentioned. The only thing we ever know about her is that she wore a rainbow colored dress to her reaping and the subsequent games.
Ah. The Rue thing all over again. "It's not how I pictured her in the books therefore it's wrong." Even though Rue is described as a WOC, and even if she wasn't who cares?! Amandla Stenberg was great in the role.
â@@racheltalley4364Yeah, it was the Rue thing but in reverse.
what gets me is that rachel zegler is phenotypically a BROWN woman. her ethnicity consists of european ancestry but she presents as a WOC in everyday society. just like how mixed race people who are passing present as white therefore are white in society. somehow people just created a double standard for her because sheâs hated.
Brie Larson was pretty popular before, so I'm guessing it was easier for her to "stick around because she had longevity on her side. Rachel, on the other hand, is very new. I do hope this doesn't set her back.
When I heard that ppl were mad about Rue being a POC, I was baffled. She was described this way in the books and I loved her so much. She's one of my favorites.
Cinna isn't really much described, but ever since Lenny Kravitz portrayed him I always imagined Cinna like this.
I partially imagined Lucy as a mix of looking slightly like Katniss, mostly based off of fanart. Before that, I weirdly invisioned her as a dark blond. I didn't have a problem with the idea of making her a person of color, it just needs to work with Katniss since it's speculated that they are related.
Honestly, it kind of reminds me of the way people hate Brie Larson and used to hate Anne Hathaway. It's just so overblown and unwarranted. Brie is called too outspoken and Anne was blamed for having "theatre kid" energy (something I've heard about Rachel as well). It's as if the public at large has decided that they don't like her and anything she says or does can and will be used as justification of the vitriol against her.
Brie, Anne, and Rachel should get together and do a heist movie or something.
The Hate towards Brie Larson was real at first and very small but the scale it reached was 100% manufactured for clicks and money and I am sure as HELL that it's the same scenario here. People make money of attention on the internet. Every time you see a large amount of people suddendly loosing their shit over a new iteration of a very common idea online, just assume it's bullshit spear headed by grifters.
Iâve never seen a male actor receive this much vitriol for anything that isnât an actual crime, and even then itâs rare.
Anne Hathaway, Brie Larson, and Kristen Stewart were in the music video "One of the Guys". I remember people going crazy because they were all beloved actresses and the public turned on them...to "humble" them? Idk. I think it was around the time Jennifer Lawrence was started to get hate. Weird cycle the public has with female celebrities.
Because Brie is a toxic girlboss...
The Megan Fox effect people pick apart a new woman to hate for the same reasons.
Wait what does Megan fox have to do with this Iâm curious (genuine question)
she was picked aprat and hated for years by people due to her weird sense of humor and seeming unlikeability similar to the actress discussed here@@remytherat2929
@@remytherat2929megan fox was kind of a media punching-bag for a long time, but frankly, thatâs gonna happen to most young women in show business unfortunately
@@lustforlimerence ah ok thanks for clarifying
@@remytherat2929 Megan Fox rose to stardom when she appeared in the awful 2000s Transformers films and she was portrayed in a very oversexualized way because the director Michael Bay was a huge creep. Anyway, people hated on her instead of Michael Bay and basically slutshamed her instead of the gross men pulling the strings behind the scenes. She had a hard time getting roles outside of "sex symbol" because of this stigma.
Now, we're seeing something similar with Rachel Zegler and Gal Gadot, people hating on them instead of disney, you know the ones pulling the strings. At the end of the day, its the executives' fault for sponsoring these trash films but because you don't see the executive, you don't hate them: you cant hate something you dont see.
People out here defending fictional snow white and proclaiming themselves as feminists but at the same time hating on real life women. Hypocrisy is crazzzyyy.
"why would you play a role you hate"
acting is a job. You have to make money, even if it means doing a role you hate. Rachel is not the first person to hate a role she plays but there was no backlash for other actors sharing the same sentiments
Han polo for xample
@@ContendCreatorsis Han âPoloâ in the room with us?
i didnât finish the video yet but i just wanna say that i truly have no issue with poc playing characters that were previously white but i feel like itâs throwing these actors under the bus, and it makes me wonder if itâs even worth it lmao
same! as a black woman, whenever i see a black woman recast in a role that used to be white, i almost roll my eyes a bit because all i can think about is how these actors are set up to be tormented
@@Yharazaydyes that was me with the annabeth casting like now i have to see this young girl get dragged for the next year đ
@@therealgowonWhich absolutely crazy because barely anyone is complaining about blond Percy and Indian Grover. Itâs definitely more than wanting âaccurate casting.â
â@@Yharazayd I guess this is a broader discussion but what exactly is a good course of action for a company to do when supporting POC actors in instances like these?
I've been following the live action Little Mermaid religiously and it didn't escape my notice how the entire cast, director, and even Iger himself came out multiple times to praise and support Halle. It was unlike any other instance where we had this situation before, from my experience. So I'm left wondering when even the president himself comes out to play, what other solutions can be done to help with this?
While I understand this particular sentiment of not wanting to see POC in previously white roles out of protection, I also can't really agree the solution should be to not do it at all because original film or not, POC actors will get shit either way
â@@sillyladtanthis is exactly my thought. The hate poc get, they'll receive it either way of being casted for a role that was originally white on not. Honestly I just want people to have fun with the roles they get. And I'm still on the fact that the ones who don't really care who plays it are most if not all of the people in these comments and children who will be watching. And there will be children who get to see people who look like them, which makes me happy đ€đ€đ€đ€đ€
This whole situation happens every decade or so to up and coming young stars. This whole situation is giving Britney spears, Anne Hathaway and Brie Larson. Basically itâs misogyny and itâs so stupid
every time something rachel says starts a hate train, i think of anne hathaway because it's almost always the most innocuous thing. like anne hathaway, at the height of so-called "Hathahate," one of the things she was called annoying for was.....***reads on wrinkled sheet of paper*** campaigning for an oscar
@@Yharazayd Yes, and every time I think that weâve moved on as a society and learned, a new girl becomes the publicâs favorite to hate. Itâs getting really sad and frustrating
@@YharazaydIâm so glad someoneâs defending her. I didnât watch the full video. But I find it so ironic that ppl are fighting her supposed misogyny withâŠyou guessed it..misogyny. đđ
@@Yharazayd I remember the mountain of hate for her when she won. It was literally because she said, "it came true," when she won, meaning her dream came true, and she kinda hugged the statue close to her face. That's it. Actress who'd been in the industry for a minute won the most prestigious acting award you can achieve, is rightfully giddy about it, because of course that's gonna be a dream come true for an actor. People acted like she committed a war crime. I'm happy that's not the narrative now, of course, but I've been a fan of Anne's since the Princess Diaries so I had to be part of the Anne Hathaway Defense Squad a *lot* those days. I hope this isn't the same for Rachel. Leave that poor girl alone.
â@@Hellu259yes I'm fucking tired of it
See, that's why having hobbies and a job is so important. Get actual problems, care about real things, don't give up on your neuroplasticity, ppl.
What makes you think they don't have those?
â@@lancethefilmguy9392Because they would have understand that all of this is pointless
@@wrestlinganime4life288 Are they allowed to criticize?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 Lance, people are dying and you're in the comments dickriding so hard. Either make a difference by being a good person, or make a difference by kicking the stool.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 people are allowed to criticize. "girlboss feminism" is outdated, and should be called out. disney swapping out their white princesses for actresses of color only to let them take the brunt of the hate that should really be directed at the company is bad and not the "big win for representation" they want us to think it is. people *shouldn't* be calling rachel "snow brown/dirt brown". people *shouldn't* be making fun of her face, calling her ugly compared to gal gadot, making r*pe and d*ath threats. people *shouldn't* be drawing cartoons of halle bailey's ariel as a monkey-fish hybrid, calling for her l*nching, editing screenshots of her to be whiter.
there's nuanced discussion that criticizes the root of the issue--which is disney, not the new actresses who jumped on the career opportunity of a lifetime and who were sorely unprepared by their employer for the barrage of personal attacks--and then there's the dozens of hit pieces that overanalyze every little thing rachel says or does and calling it the death of feminism or society or film or whatever ailment they want to blame on her this time.
I also feel like even if Rachel Zegler was genuine in her criticisms of Snow White and it wasnât just pitched that way to her by Disney, sheâs still not doing anything wrong. Sheâs allowed to be critical about a story and narrative that naturally includes her as a woman, even if other women donât agree for their own valid reasoning. Like how verilybitchie and other women criticized Barbie and were shut down because it was perceived as anti-feminist to do so, I feel like expecting women to have the same thought process on what they find empowering is small-minded, even if itâs also important to share a different perspective to help expand their understanding of feminism (but we also have to be willing to do the same for them).
Exactly.
Exactly. It feels like she is exactly saying what they instructed het to say
Itâs so transparent how people *suddenly* feel that soulless remakes of old fairytales they never think about are an attack on a cultural touchstone when POC get involved. Or anything âwokeâ.
Yup. Look at Star Wars.
right! no one complained half this much when the cinderella remake came out. they tried to make that movie more "progressive" and such but no one was upset that it was a sign that disney was becoming "woke"
@@standarddreamer I remember that! It's so obvious what is happening with the Snow White remake. And I don't even like the Disney remakes.
@@standarddreamerNah it was just because it was the first (not going to count Alice because that was a sequel) Disney live action remake and it was actually a good (the only one Disney made) remake. And people were used to good live action movies about Cinderella, like the Drew Barrymore one. And it wasnât a movie that pushed some sort of âminorityâ or âfeministâ rhetoric for publicity. It was just a Disney movie. They began to become problematic when they understood that people went to go see anything with their brain turned off just because of nostalgia, like in the Lion King, or for âpoliticalâ things, like beauty and the beast. Disney got this bad just because people let them by financing bad written and bad directed movies and now they are âwaking upâ for the worst reasons, like âpushing wokenessâ, and not because the majority of Disney movies are objectively bad written. Going back, I think this problem with Disney began with Frozen and progressively got worse until it covered every branch this maxi-company is made of.
@@standarddreamer because it was the only good live action remake that stuck to the original story. Same with aladdin and beauty and the beast (although on a lesser scale)
Yeah when I heard about the Snow White drama my first thought was "Gee I didn't realize that there were so many die-hard Snow White purists out there, all these fans be coming out of the woodwork."
I've been so frustrated with the hate Rachel's been receiving. The only reason she's getting this reaction is because she's a woman. Robert Pattison not liking playing Edward in Twilight (arguably one of his biggest roles) is a meme and other male actors disliking their movies is completely fine as well. Rachel says she found a movie with scary scenes scary when she was a kid is awful??? I truly don't get it.
And the whole internet calling her entitled for saying she should get paid for every hour that a movie is streaming online? So should every actor, streaming has ruined the residuals systems and allows big corporations to earn money while they pay their actors pennies and she gets called entitled? Make it make sense
the thing that gets to me about her saying she deserves to be paid for every hour is not only that she does which is what the whole strike is about but she makes a point of using herself as an example in an effort to not pretend to know the tribulations of writers or other actors in the industry. she speaks specifically to her experience and to her career but people call it entitled? yet if she said nothing, she would be blamed for not supporting the strike. this girl can't win
Interesting comparison. You could even argue that Pattinson didn't understand the material but since Twilight is socially hated on its okay but oh when Rachel Zegler does it about Snow White then people take issue when there really isn't much of a difference
I donât deny at all that the hate sheâs getting is in part because of her being a woman (or even mostly). But I think the fact that Snow White is considered one of the âDisney Classicsâ also plays a big part. Some people get all up in arms when something they cherish from their childhood gets âtaintedâ or âruinedâ somehow (not my opinion at all btw). Twilight while popular wasnât much of a cultural literary icon before the theatrical release of the franchise so naturally the hate for Robert Pattinson wonât be as intense.
That being said, itâs still unfair and agree that if she were a guy this whole controversy would likely be a fraction of the size.
ââ@@devonmunn5728 to me it seems more about the fact that Patterson wasn't hating the source material, he was hating on the movie HE was a part of AFTER it was made. I dont think theres anything wrong with an actor disliking a role they had in hindsight, but to play the lead role of a character you don't like, or clearly understand is just wild to me đ
Edit: but I agree with everyone else, the hate on this movie already is insane. People are uploading videos every few hours just restating the same stuff in a new way so they can keep trying to make her look worse and worse and that's not okay. At the end of the day Rachel is a human being. I may not agree with her opinions but no person should be demonized like she is rn, when she's done nothing "bad"
since this comment section has been so intense, i want to preface this by saying i appreciate your input and just wanted to kindly point out that one of the things robert pattinson said about twilight was actually directly about the books and about stephanie meyer. here's a quote from an old interview with E! Magazine:
"It was like it was a book that wasnât supposed to be published, like reading her - her sort of sexual fantasy. Especially when she says that it was based on a dream, and itâs like, âOh, then I had a dream about this really sexy guyâ, and she just writes this book about it. I was just convinced that this woman is mad, sheâs completely mad, and sheâs in love with her own fictional creation.â
i think this is a bit harsher than zegler's words especially since it's directed at a single person more so than an idea. BUT i also acknowledge that a) this was years ago so i'm not advocating for holding it against robert and b) he ended his statement wherein he called stephanie meyer "mad" and twilight "voyeuristic" by also calling it honest and why he wanted to take part in the film.
plus, time has made it seem like robert's words weren't that bad and i think because twilight was made fun of so much, people just accept him being harsh on the source material even though what he said could be easily interpreted on him trashing the franchise that made him famous (which is exactly what rachel is being dragged and called ungrateful for).
Disney gets so much ire because they are the biggest perpetrators of trying to be all things to everyone. They try to appeal to as many people as possible instead of making a good movie that may not be for as much of the movie going audience as possible.
The only reason why they are tapping POC women for these leading roles is because they know it will get them talked about, but also, these women are so ready for leading roles in massive blockbusters that they will bear the brunt of the criticisms these movies get. It allows them to have their cake and eat it, too.
Disney knows what theyâre doing smh
â@@grendels_motherexactly. The outrage gives them promotion
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This really made me reflect on how I see this remake, and Zegler's attitude in interviews. I found myself rolling my eyes before at the idea that Snow White needed to be empowering, mostly because it goes so far from the original story you'd be better off writing a new one inspired by it instead. But you're absolutely right, this has been Disney's approach for the last decade or more, and it's silly to look at Snow White of all things as the step too far. And I really appreciate you pointing out just how young Zelger is and how a lot of her understanding of feminism has no doubt been coloured by those Disney remakes and similar media. Obviously it doesn't make what she says immune from criticism but it makes me take a step back in feeling like the way she's thinking (or at least expressing herself) falls on her alone. Which I guess could be said of almost anyone about anything.
This was a great video to make, you killed it.
This comment needs more likes! We can be critical of what an actress says without absolutely dogpiling piling her. And even then, most of the blame should fall on Disney for pushing this rhetoric in their live actions (and likely feeding actors lines to parrot in interviews).
It's funny that we are not allowing her to have her âyoung person cringe momentsâ.
I believe Disney is also not giving her proper support and guidance.
Does she say kind of awkward stuff? Yeah, but who hasn't?
She is not even the first POC actress playing Snow White, way back in 2001 Kristen Kreuk played Snow White and nobody cared, probably because the internet wasn't that strong and bigots didn't have the platform they have now.
But image if this movie came out now, they would FLIP so hard, dude, we should be focusing on AI taking people's jobs away, not what a young woman is saying, if the movie is going to be terrible or not, it's not even her fault, she didn't direct it and she didn't write it.
Because Kristin looks like Snow white,she is not cringe and doesn't hates the story, and is white passing at first,she is half white and has very white skin,something that zegler doesn't has,also people love the movie and don't have any problem with the actress,and poc is not used for asian people.
â@@dhsf5937yeah, Kristin is definitely very white passing, I agree.
I'm honestly scared at how quickly people are jumping to hate actors and artists these days. A lot of the issues that people are screaming about online are honestly not that deep....save the hate and criticism for people (and the massive corporations) who deserve it for exploiting and abusing people.
Most of the problems can also be contributed to executives demanding that every movie be the exact same bland remakes, reboots and sequels. Artists want to make their own new ideas but the current structure of âno new, no risks, just recyclingâ doesnât allow for it.
Cause they can. People are sick of Marvel & Disney Live Action remakes.
@@Unsweetened8618 yell at Disney, not the actor.
@@mhawang8204 I'm not the one yelling, cause I don't have too.
â@@Unsweetened8618Agreed. It is terribly sad how folks will go out of their way to defend the crappy Remakes from Disney
I swear there has been a âNot like other girlsâ to ânot like the NLOGâsâ pipeline that people havenât been talking about enough. And the discourse around the Snow White movie is a perfect example. NLOG feminism was a reaction to traditional gender roles and now people are overreacting to the NLOG mentality. Itâs so disheartening đą
I think NLOG have valid reasons to be critical of traditional gender roles, but the issue is that it came at the expense of throwing other women under the bus. However, I think too many people missed the point of the NLOG perspective, sure some of them may have suffered from some internalized misogyny but their main point is that they wanted to be liberated as opposed to assimilate into what a woman should be.
If someone wants to defend femininity and traditional feminine roles that is fine as long as you don't use that as the only measure of what it means to be a woman. Trying to gender police women (or men) into these rigid gender boxes is becoming more and more outdated.
Lol so now hating pink is a bad sexist thing? Pathetic
do you know how to read? is that really all you took from this comment?
people seriously need to start going back to school this is scary @@DagmarRokita667
Nah I kinda gotta agree with her. At least Aurora and her prince had an endearing vibe (after he startled her lmao) I mean. They sang! They shared a dance! But even as a kid I was put off by the fact that Snow White was really... startled by her prince to the point of running away from him. I'd often forget he was even a part of the movie. Like... I was supposed to root for him? It's a lovely film but I wouldn't necessarily call the new actress 's take on it flawed.
True, I think instead of scrapping the prince entirely in Snow White maybe instead they couldâve given them an actual, well, relationship? And not make the prince kiss her unconscious face for no reason, because that was always weird. What if instead, Snow and Charming could fall in love *before* she gets killed by a poisonous apple, and the dwarfs seek him out so he can revive her via True Loveâs Kiss like in the original? I think it works.
@@PastelDoesGacha That would work!
@@LunamFlore Thanks! :D
ââââââââ@@PastelDoesGacha A very enlightening suggestion on your part đ.
To add a bit of clarity regarding the unfortunate minimal screen-time Prince Florian had in Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs, Disney artists at the time were not well versed yet at drawing and animating male characters. More specifically, near-realistic looking male characters when compared to their female equivalents. The developers actually had lots of story drafts and sketches pertaining to Florian being more involved in the film's story, but were scrapped due to this technical inadequacy đ . This was even the case for Prince Charming's minimal screen-time in Disney's Cinderella.
Funnily enough, some of the scrapped ideas that they had for Prince Florian were later re-purposed for Prince Phillip in Sleeping Beauty đ. Like with him being kidnapped, escaping a dungeon, and him and Princess Aurora dancing on top of clouds at the end, lol.
I feel so bad for young actors that are getting so much backlash on social media. All of them need immediate media training just to survive the internet (or a thicker skin than I will ever have). Bad enough dealing with a few bullies and jerks in your real life let alone a million trolls online. They definitely target people. Rachel didn't say anything that wasn't already said.
This reminds me of the hate Millie Bobby Brown ALWAYS gets for doing... anything. Seriously, there is just nothing that poor girl can do that won't result in social media trying to tear her down. Despite the fact her performance at what? 11? 12? Made Stranger Things the phenomenon that it is. These young girls constantly get targeted. And honestly? I have come to the conclusion that it is a mixture of jealousy (I mean... girls and women both, lets be honest), misogyny (I can't believe this "little girl" is trying to tell me what a,b,c is"), or the spine-chilling "I shouldn't be attracted to this young girl omg omg I am attracted to her I have to come for her in anything she does just to PROVE I am not into her for any reason." It could be a lot of young girls experience this to some extent in the real world (I experienced a few) but when you're famous and social media exists... these terrible societal traits are amplified. Society are really showing their asses.
I love the Once Upon a Time version of Snow White. Sheâs a badass, a mother, a wife, and flawed. Truly a great character.
same here
I find the "I'm not racist, but I think the actors should look 100% like the original" criticism pretty ironic, considering those people only apply it to the WOC who play traditionally white characters. Like, where was the outrage when golden blonde, brown eyed Lilly James was cast to play a character with blue eyes and strawberry blonde hair? Also, I think the criticism aimed torwards Rachel is a little unfair. Like, I too rolled my eyes when she did the tired "She doesn't need a man to save her, she's a strong powerful woman now" thing to promote the movie, but guess what? people have BEEN doing that since the original little mermaid, when people were like "Oh, ariel isn't like Cinderella or Snow White. she's an ACTIVE player in her own story, unlike those whimpy damsels who always needs a prince to save them" I'm pretty sure that's how Ebert and Siskel even described Ariel in their review back in the 80s.
Ariel has always been divisive since 1989.
On the one hand, you have film critic Roger Ebert praising Ariel for being more proactive than previous Disney princesses because she saves her prince and pursues him on land rather than waiting for the prince to come to her.
On the other hand, you have feminists who hated Ariel because she sacrificed her voice, her tail, and her family for a generic male human she just met; and because she relied on Eric to save her from Ursula.
In fact, it was because of the feminist backlash against Ariel that Disney studio chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg hired Linda Woolverton to write the screenplay for âBeauty and the Beastâ in the hopes that Belle would be less problematic than Ariel.
This would also explain why Linda Woolverton modeled Belle on the tomboyish bookworm Jo March from the novel âLittle Womenâ to give Belle a more feminist edge.
@@beethovensfidelio Having been a tomboyish bookworm brunette kid I'm pretty glad for this result though no comment on their reasoning :P
Even on the video extras on my Cinderella VHS tape I remember there being a comment from one of the creators about how much more progressive Cinderella was than Snow White because Snow White waited for a man to come to her while Cinderella "went out and got him" (quote potentially distorted by approx 2 decades since I last saw the tape). That was from the creators of Cinderella. The _second_ ever Disney princess movie!
All that to say, the take is hardly new đ
I mean where is the outrage when countless POC characters are played by white actors actress since the start of Hollywood. Whereâs the outrage about Mummy and Dune? I only see people praising them instead of commenting how there is virtually no MENA actor playing in stories heavily inspired by them. Whereâs the outrage about all the Phantom of the Opera retellings obliterating one of the main characters into thin air and giving phantom whole new backstory(which involves enslaved by Romani people and rescued by a white woman in the film version) just because they donât like heâs Persian?
@@ophelie2620exactly. Whereâs the outrage when Jesus is played by a white man with blue eyes? We all know Jesus did not have blue eyes or blonde hair. The outrage is extremely selective. It makes me not take them seriously at all.
I'm going to say this: a progressive Snow White movie would be one where Snow is adopted by the dwarves. They're all her dads.
That said, they all need to leave Rachel Zegler alone. She didn't do anything wrong.
Update: I came upon some information about this situation. I don't know if it can be confirmed but knowing it, I will say RACHEL ZEGLER DID NOTHING WRONG.
Honestly, this. Especially if you start with kid Snow White and spend a decent amount of time with her growing up with her dwarf dads, developing their culture and individual personalities. And then you could make the goofy 7-dwarfs names the result of a small child trying to pronounce complicated Dwarven names.
@@Eloraurora Grumperhurherg: Why am I Grumpy!?
Doperamherg using Dwarven SL: Hey, I'm Dopey. Wanna switch?
Give me found-family-cottage-core Snow White !
Omg your pitch reminds me of Hollyhock and her 8 gay poly dads from Bojack Horseman
Anything wrong? Look up what she said about this role
For me, these recent criticisms of Disney Princess movies feel like weâve swapped one form of pop feminism for another. Initially, we criticized Snow White and Ariel for being motivated primarily by men (which wasnât fully true, yes). But now weâre criticizing the remakes for wanting to flesh out those motivations so they have a little less to do with the princes and more to do with their desires for freedom, independence, and understanding.
And suddenly itâs a bad thing because weâre stripping away the âfemininityâ of these characters when, last time I checked, weâre still dressing up these pretty women in pretty dresses, weâre still giving them soft pretty voices, and weâre still having them end up with equally pretty men at the end. SoâŠwhat about these dainty, delicate women is masculine?
I get so tired of seeing so-called âfeministsâ whose only metric of whether a female character is feminist or well-written is how feminine she is, as if that isnât as rigid of an expectation as previous ones for female characters (or as rigid as Disneyâs version of âfeminismâ). As if actual masculine women arenât underrepresented or misrepresented in media and in real life, because, as with many of these criticisms, they stop making any sense when you go outside.
Also, side note, what happened to waiting for a movie to come out before you criticize it? Since when did that stop being the sign of a bad critic?
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
It's such a weird, frustrating pattern. I've seen people complain about Barbie for these reasons too: having her not end up with Ken isn't feminist because it's saying women can't have romance or something. Like we've gone the opposite direction but we certainly haven't made enough of these so called hyper-masculine, single-and-it's-cool female characters to justify that backlash imo
@@maevem316 It's to be miserable and malicious. The same people never actually have a solution, but they complain about everything.
The reason to all of this is because these are not united groups. They are two (or more) separate groups going under the same name and or cause.
What one of them sees as bad the other sees as good and vice versa.
Exactly what I was thinking, this is worded perfectly
Wait bc I was getting so annoyed at the way people tear Rachael apart as of Disney isnât a capitalist monster. How do you have more anger against an actress than a huge corporation.
srsly
Itâs definitely a deliberate attack for most people. Theyâll look for any excuse they can to bully whatever actress they dislike. Iâve already seen too many comments calling her âthe next Brie Larsonâ. Itâs clear that these ppl WANT to hate her.
â@@vivir339So far I'm seeing the opposite
â @@vivir339and? If people donât like her then what? She brought that on herself yk. Check out the way people are praising Jenna Ortega for the way she takes lead and changes her character. The interviews and comments she makes are also against industry norms and yet sheâs still praised. People donât like Rachel for a reason. Itâs not because of racism or sexism, itâs cause she does things that make her unlikeable
@@latenightthinker4737 Ok but like⊠who cares? Why does that warrant ppl harassing her and telling her to off herself? All she did was say some hot takes that ppl didnât like.
I really donât understand this celebrity obsession that ppl have; psycho-analyzing everyone and judging their character over the stupidest things. Itâs not a crime for her to be honest with herself and the public.
Hearing a nuanced and balanced take on a subject after weeks of hearing nothing but mindless vitriol is always so damn satisfying.
It's so good, but unfortunately I keep getting recommended those types of takes under this video right here.
She's not a fan of the original, big freakin deal. The movie is almost a hundred years old. The fact that she saw it when she was young is already more than I would expect from anybody. I bet most people complaining about that haven't seen it either.
exactly. tbh, that movie isn't even particularly memorable or interesting, and there are scenes that would be scary to watch as a kid. people just like to complain when someone they don't like doesn't like something
She IS a fan, though! It's crazyyyy
fr like how many times have i heard ppl say snow white is boring and whatever. nobody gaf about snow white lets bffr.
loved snow white as a kid and i'm not just saying this to prove a point bc i actually did love her but compared to other disney princesses she's pretty mid. at least cinderella had a personality
@@sillyladtan itâs the first animated feature, even if you didnât like the movie as a child; as an adult, especially someone who cares about the craft of film, itâs still worthy of respect for its role in film history.
the fact that i saw most of the harassment coming from other women was so disheartening
Let women hate terrible movies, that's their right
@@DagmarRokita667 Harassment to the ACTRESS.
Emma Watson is British, not French, but where are the people complaining about her casting?
Because obviously they wouldn't care if a non disabled actor playing a disabled character or anything and saying "oh well that's just how acting goes"
There were people complaining about it lol its been like 5 years
@@maggiemurphy4092 i wouldn't doubt it. Though usually a white actor of one ethnicity playing another ethnicity (say a ethnically Irish person plays a Russian character for example) usually doesn't get this much debate and vitriol
fr, her portrayal of belle was so off putting because of her british accent. at least try to sound french or like the voice of the original she was just playing herself
And if anything, I remember her being twice as annoying as Rachel during the press tour for the BatB remake.
Them calling her snow brown when she' has a olive skin tone is just ughh
â@@ynlizard5297Is it though?
@@lancethefilmguy9392they say it because sheâs Latina cause in Latin America sheâs considered white
despite having a lot of european ancestry she still presents as a brown latina woman in society!
Is she not snow brown?đ are we all rlly gonna look at her and say yup, thatâs snow white
@@latenightthinker4737 đ đ
People will see a young woman coming into her own understanding of feminism and it might be slightly faulty and instead of offering their perspective to help inform her more theyll just be misogynistic. Its so backwards
Really?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 are you going to say anything substantive
@@ven5646 2 months later? I forgot about this lol
@@lancethefilmguy9392 that parts fair, but CZcams is weird with notifications. Only got your response now
The way people try to parse every single gesture Rachel Zegler does to prove how âhaughtyâ and âdisprespectfulâ she is, creeps me out.
@@GalaRed-DeliciousAmbrosia Rachel Zegler just needs media training.
@@beethovensfidelio I don't even think she needs media training, I think people just need to stop being so damn misogynistic.
@@sp.2778 nah she does need media training
@@sp.2778thatâs cute, people arenât shitting on her because sheâs a woman. Itâs because she so heavily disrespected the original story, bff
I think both are true. She doesn't have media training, and Disney was counting on her honesty for press. Disney knew what was going to happen, especially after Halle as Ariel. Halle and Rachel don't deserve the hate.
The hate Rachel has been getting has been bugging my soullll. It frustrates me so much I can't even imagine how she's coping. I hope one day people wake up with decency.
I've just realized that the prince from Snow White the fairytale version is basically Chad from Scream Queens who's a rich freak obsessed with corpses. đïžđđïž
LMFAO
Completely agree with everything you've said. I feel like people on social media are either waiting for certain celebs to fall from grace or if they don't fall they'll jump on them, and try to take them down for the tinest things. They have the audacity to say folks are too sensitive or snowflakes, but when this girl says the film scared her as a kid and she didn't watch it for 16-17 years until she got the role, they're making hateful CZcams videos and comments, demanding that her role be recast, bullying her etc.
Anyone noticed how Disney exploits POC by letting them take the hate for their mistakes? like they know cos they are POC they will get the hate rather than Disney themselves for making sub par films.
LIKE Halle Bailey was in yet another Disney remake and they let her get the hate as she was the star even though she didnt write it (like niether did Rachel).
Also they let Taika Waititi get the hate for Thor Love and Thunder when he might not have had 100% creative control and Disney/Marvel would have had some input.
And now its happening to Rachel.
Taika waititi isn't white?
@@dhsf5937 Taika Waititi is of Russian Jewish and MÄori descent.
@@beethovensfidelio Ok,but what jewish has to do with this?
@@dhsf5937 Because I didnât want to erase his Jewish ancestry when talking about his MÄori ancestry.
Also, Jews can be non-white.
@@beethovensfidelio yes,but jewish is a ethnicity,you spoke about jewish as if was a race.
So a couple of things...
- Woke has in this day and age lost ALL meaning thanks to all the hate-mongers that overuse it for everything. It used to mean something to a whole community; to stay aware of the ills of the world and be ready to fight discrimination and injustice. Now even using the term "woke" like Lindsay Ellis did in that video is just cringe worthy due to how vile the people that use it are.
- I would add "Maleficent" to the list of over-written feminism; Maleficent went from the mistress of all evil to just a fairy that was misunderstood, made the huge mistake of 'FALLING IN LOVE WITH A MAN', A MAN cut her wings and now SHE IS DARK BECAUSE A MAN BETRAYED HER! And the worst change of all; they turned the Three Good Fairies, who in the original gave up their powers to live as peasants to protect and raise Aurora, into bumbling idiots would let Aurora die because of their incompetence, so it is Maleficent's turn to raise Aurora, and when she falls into the deep sleep...MALEFICENT WAKES HER UP WITH THE POWER OF LOVE...FEMINIST LOVE. It read like a major self-insert fanfic that it genuinely annoyed me. The 2017 "Beauty and the Beast" remake I liked, but I got annoyed how the script seemed to have been based on many "Cinemasins" videos and parody videos and the takeaway was "BELLE DID HAVE STOCKHOLD SYNDROME, AND SHE WAS SO DEPRESSED SHE DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO SAVE HERSELF ALL SHE DID WAS CRY SO LET'S FIX THAT!" and made Belle almost unlikable because she HAS to act like a beacon of feminism, heaven forbid she cries when she is imprisoned.
- I feel this is one of the few sane takes on the whole Snow White "controversy" as everyone deep down knows what the issue is, but it is easier to pin the blame on Rachel than on Disney for pumping out these soulless remakes that don't really add to the mythos of the original animated classics, because even the biggest of haters still have a boner for corporations and even with all the criticism Disney has received (which many of it is justified), they rather protect the company than the actual human being who is just doing what the studio wants her to do.
seeing ppl complain about her is honestly the most embarrassing and jobless thing ive seen all year
I wish Disney would commit even more. Like the same basic story outline of Snow White but set in Brazil. Or Rapunzel set in Old Korea! I just wish they would go farther than just aesthetics and really remake the whole fairy-tale. Almost every culture has the same basic story tropes so I really wish they would go even farther. I feel like that's Disney's problem. They don't want to commit too much but also want the aesthetics and credit for representation. Is it just me or are these remake plots boring to begin with! Let's shake it up! Set beauty and the beast in the Cuban revolution and sleeping beauty in Kenya. Like I can't be the only one who would be really into that! I would be much more interested in seeing any of those movies then the same movie just slightly different aesthetics
My exact thoughts when all this hate started were: âGET. A. JOBâ
Truly some people need to go outside, touch some grass, and learn not to put all of their energy into pointless online drama!!
It's understandable, since she's made a mess when promoting the film.
People like you are so frustrating.
@@Î-Î-Î-Î thereâs people that are dyingâŠ
Every live-action remake I've seen has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't see any magic in them; just shoddy craftsmanship, from the ground up, from a corporation whose greed is becoming more blatant with every passing day.
But when the "backlash" against the remakes is taking the form of hate and harassment against the actors, especially actors of color? That's utterly despicable.
The removal of Li Shang in the live action Mulan also had a lot to do with homophobia, which comes as no surprise given that the film was made mainly for the chinese market; a market which didn't even like the original animated one to begin with.
I thought it was because Shang was her âsuperiorâ and would have created a unbalanced power dynamic?
â@@andream794Could be a bit of both.
â@@andream794 It's both. Disney didn't want to admit that they got rid of him for having bisexual "vibes" because they marketed themselves as lgbt friendly globally (which is far from the truth btw)
This was such a beautiful video. Thank you so much. It's been absolutely tearing me apart this past week to see a talented, earnest young woman be treated WORSE than her male co-stars who have ACTUALLY COMMITTED CRIMES
Why are we like this? Humanity is so freaking disappointing, man. The racists are loud, and persistent. This truly is hell.
please tell me your being sarcastic
@@jskywalker58 i donât think so
Itâs aggrieved entitlement.
White people are mad that theyâre no longer the center of attention, so they feel like theyâre being replaced by people of color, even though white people still have plenty of media representation.
â@@jskywalker58wait am i missing something? why would this be sarcastic, the hatred of some random starlet in this way would strike any reasonable person as extremely racist and hellish. the poor girl is basically having her soul scooped out and served to a screaming jeering mob by a megacorporation for a quick buck. it is deeply disturbing and a horrible timeline
she's just one slightly overpaid entertainer, but the hatred is reflective of a broader strain of racism in the imperial core which concatenates its power every day and is becoming increasingly hazardous
Thank you!! The hate directed at Rachel has been over the top since her statements were just opinions and pretty tame. The fact that people choose to hate on her and demonize her over virtually nothing is ridiculous. Especially when Ezra Miller is still not in jail for grooming a child and commiting assault and battery against multiple people, and there are texts that exposed Jonah Hill for being controlling and manipulative toward his ex girlfriend. Yet somehow neither of them are public enemy number one, instead its a teenage girl who has a flawed take on a Disney movie. đ€Šđ€Š
Don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of Disney remakes except for Cinderella and The Jungle Book, and I doubt the film is going to be good because Disney as a studio has been very lazy with remakes, but the actress does not deserve all the hate being directed toward her.
Tame? Did you even watch her interview? And whats with the whataboutism? Last time I checked nobody liked Erza Miller, believe it of not, people can dislike mire than one person and Erza is not the topic at hand. If I were to call you an ahole or insult you and when you get mad at me for saying that, I would say: "why are you mad at me? There's worse people out there" would that fly with you? If not then bringing Erza here makes no sense.
@@Rex13013 Agreed
@@Rex13013 It's VERY tame compared to stuff other actors have said about their movies. Also, that's not their point. They're saying that there are incredibly terrible things that are far worse happening in the industry than Rachel disliking Snow White, but we're still focusing on that for some reason? It's not that deep, honestly.
I know this isn't what the video is about but, I gotta say I find it so funny when people act like race/ethnicity bending is some sort of new thing. Kristin Kreuk, a Chinese-Canadian woman, played Snow White all the way back in 2001. The same series (The Wonderful World of Disney) also casted Brandy as Cinderella in the 90s. And let's not forget the 60s Batman series casting Eartha Kitt as Catwoman, 80s Batman casting Billy Dee Williams as Harvey Dent, The Wiz, Blacula, John Leguizamo and Harold Perrineau as Tybalt and Mercutio in Romeo + Juliet, or The Muppets' Wizard of Oz casting Ashanti as Dorothy. The point is...this isn't a new concept by any means. People just want to be angry for the sake of being angry.
Social media didnât exist when those movies came out.
That being said, Iâm sure there were people who complained about those casting choices but they were not a vocal minority.
@@beethovensfidelio Oh for sure! I was specifically talking about the people who pretend race bending is some new "woke Hollywood" invention that just started happening within the last 10 years
Did they look like the characters?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 What?
â@@lancethefilmguy9392does brandy look like cinderella to you?
i donât know how much rachel goes through youtube or social media in general anymore, but i hope she sees this and sees that people still have her back. i miss how open she used to be on youtube when it was just a bunch of theater-loving teenagers who interacted with her, but i do understand itâs for the best that she stays offline as much as possible nowadays.
Wtf is so wrong with princesses becoming the MAIN girl, boss ass girls, and just doing shit themselves??? Who tf said that disney wasn't go ahead in time and do a Disney Prince's franchise? Why can't girls just be powerful???
Gal Gadot is MUCH more problematic than Rachel I think people are also forgetting that in their criticisms of Disneyâs casting choices đł
the backlash rachel zegler is getting for describing a script she didn't write and for being a successful up and coming actress who apparently comes across as annoying is reminding me a lot of when tabloids and people on social media arbitrarily decided to hate anne hathaway 10 years ago
The whole "she's not even a fan of Snow White" thing... I know it's minor, but it really stuck out to me. It's really weird, but then I thought about how if films are seen as branded content rather than pieces of art, I guess brand loyalty becomes really important to some people. Still weird to use that to criticise an actor, though.
as always, Yhara, I appreciate your nuanced and fair-minded yet empathetic approach to such divisive topics in the media. so much of the hatred towards Rachel is so overblown (she's only 22 and before West Side Story was literally just a random HS student) and it's insane to me how a multi-billion media conglomerate like disney continues to put young WOC very new to the film industry in the frontlines of their movies to face all the hate whilst they themselves say and do nothing to protect them. particularly when it is THE COMPANY that is underpaying its workers, re-cycling tired and gatekept IP, and trying to force repackaged media under "progressive ideals" (whilst not aligning with those values at all in their actual d2d business) to hide their problems.
Poor Halle and Rachel. I can't imagine getting so much hate just for taking a role in a movie. It's their job! It's what they do. Honestly the only thing that matters to me is if they can sing. And man, can Halle ever sing. (I haven't heard Rachel yet.) I really don't want a repeat of Emma Watson...
Ppl giving her shit for not liking the original cartoon bc it scared her as a child is wild. Ask ANY group of ppl what movies scared them when they were little and the old Snow White will come up! It's almost universal!
I saw a news post on instagram from buzzfeed or a similar site about this whole quote-unquote "outrage", and when i looked at the comments it was truly staggering how quickly it went from "people who genuinely disagreed with what she said" to "people blatantly using this as an excuse to say the most racist shit imaginable". like random people on twitter and such complaining about her interview is one thing, but it feels genuinely kind of irresponsible for an actual news site to be promoting this whole petty drama further. it feels like it's just giving some of the worst people on the internet more of an outlet to say awful things
It's buzzfeed so I can't say I'm shocked
I think latinas deserve better than a Snow White remake, and that black people deserve better than a the little mermaid. But I also have to recognize disgust with myself due to the fact that I was made to realize I was invested in the whiteness of Disney princesses, which is fucked. I wanted so desperately for the little mermaid to take place in Africa or the Caribbean and to be about a prosperous black kingdom because not only do Americans not know anything about global history especially lot about Africa, Latin America or Asia, Americans by and large donât understand Latin Americans are mixed or that North Africa isnât black. I think in Snow White would have worked with an Asian actress, hair as black as night, skin as white as snow and lips red as blood. But I have to ask myself if Iâm attempting to justify my discontent with Rachel Ziegler being cast as Snow White because sheâs part Latina even though ethnically sheâs more white than not, even though Iâm half Mexican. I have to ask myself, even though itâs more âjustifiedâ in this case is it really enough? I donât think it helps films like this that for people on the far right that it plays into fears of the great replacement theory, that non-white actors are replacing white actors is only to them a microcosm of what they fear is going to happen that really isnât while simultaneously being evidence of it. I am afraid of the fact I had a subconscious bias about this though and I havenât really examined what it means beyond that, I guess Iâm curious if anybody had any realizations similar to that though.
"Americans"... it's important to distinguish WHICH Americans. So many voices and experiences are being undermined and erased when it this is falsely implied to be an issue of nationality when we're right here aware and trying to educate despite also being on the receiving end of this ignorance from fellow citizens.
Just to say some ppl of north africa can be considered black or have sub saharan ancestry but your right that the majority of ppl in north african countries are still different
@@jennah5990 I probably should have specified that, since people of different races are perfectly capable of having been born and lived in or moved to and naturalized to a North African country or any country and still be just as much a citizen of that country as people of an ethnic background which makes up the majority of citizens in that country. Iâm putting a lot of effort into trying to learn more about the world since I feel like Iâve been shut off from so much by living in the states.
I had this realization too not when it came to little mermaid but when it came to snow white. Ashamed of myself to say the least but i was leaning in with the crowd of people saying she wasnt fit to be playing snow white because she is a poc. Then halfway i was seeing that the hate had become too ridiculous and the actress' words were being scrutinized to the point of people forgetting her opinions can change and develop. At the end of the day disney made their choice, the original film and story isnt going anywhere, and people will continue to forget that they can just simply not watch the movie just to continue their whines and moans about how disney went "woke".
Regardless of their hate im probs still gonna watch the movie anyway lol
@@gh0stpc360 Are people allowed to not agree with the casting? All I'm seeing is people getting offended by others who say no to these Remakes. Why recreate something that worked the first time?
If I were any of these actresses, I would never work with Disney again. They are literally doing nothing to protect the actresses. And I will stand by the FACT that Halle was a GREAT casting choice and even the girlie chosen for snow white kinda looks like Snow White which is cool to me. So, Disney is making pretty good casting choices but they are also using them to create outrage, while not doing anything to protect their actors like dang it sucks. Because these aren't bad casting choices, but Disney isn't sticking up for them at all.
Y'all need to boycott Disney as a company, instead of hating on "creative choices" that just ends up being hating on the lead actresses.
I agree with the take here completely, and a big thing for me that proves how skin motivated these things are is the tone and feeling of the outrage. When fans of Mulan were outraged about the new movie, people were hesitant at first, but most I saw were ready to give it a shot. When the complaints came, they had righteous indignation and some teeth. Filming practices, disrespect and lack of understanding of the original movie and poem, etc.- and fans really rallied around about how terrible that movie was when it came out. There were dozens of essays tearing it apart.
The Little Mermaid started receiving outrage from the moment these people first saw that first promotional image. The complaints came before we even knew about the bad CG or the crappy new songs. The outrage wasn't based on an interest in human rights, it wasn't based on feeling like a culture of peoples was being disrespected, and you could tell from the start that the outrage wasn't really coming from the "fans".
Now, those same people who got upset the moment they saw a black woman in "their" Disney films, these people who clearly aren't dedicated "fans"- (and like, find me a dedicated snow white superfan in 2023) -saw the press images for Snow White and are having the same meltdown as before. Only this time, they can't openly say they're mad about the lead actresses' race, because that would mean confronting the idea that they don't feel comfortable accepting her as a white woman. She's not white enough for them, or the "right kind" of white for them.
I hate that Disney just keeps feeding these young actors to these wolves.
And getting so hateful about it. Or saying that her closing her Insta comments because "she can't handle being called out" or maybe because she doesn't deserve getting harassed for an opinion people didn't like
You are aware that it wasn't just white people who hated the Remake right?
â@@lancethefilmguy9392They didn't say that.
@@BratzRockAngels Their?
I'm a dedicated fan of Snow White and the Disney Princesses and all of this is pretty irritating for me to say the least. From the tired "girl boss" trope to Zegler's smug and irreverent attitude with the original film. It doesn't help people to warm up to her. And at the risk of being called racist, she is also not "as white as snow" nor as beautiful as Gal Gadot who played the Evil Queen. It's just wrong in so many ways and Disney should just cancel this whole thing. It's a flop waiting to happen đ
Iâm so glad Iâm not the only person to think this hate again Rachel Ziegler has been mostly just outrage. Iâve heard so many bad things about this woman and I barely remembered her until all of this hate came about. Itâs scary how easily people become hostile towards these actors for the smallest of opinions. I couldnât imagine how people would make her feel for the way she eats something or for making one mistake like saying someoneâs name wrong. They make it seem like just because she was scared of the film as a child doesnât mean she can overcome that fear and pretend to be a fictional person. đ And why make up lies about her? Because she said one thing they disagree with? Now we all have to doghouse on her? Sometimes, I think people need a bit of a break from the internet.
Yeah or calling her a "narcissist" (an already overused term) and saying she "represents how entitled Gen Z is" like what a way to generalize
She shat on the movie in a single interview and that had NOTHING to do with her being a woman. If you sell a project your a CRUCIAL part of short, then itâll be taken as such. Itâs marketing. Honesty is welcome, and so is criticism. But Rachel did neither, she came across as spiteful and seemed as if she didnât want to be a part of the project. So why should we want to see it? In the end this is a product, take the chance to sell it and appreciate its origins. I do agree that the internet was harsh on her as well as how eerily easy it is to act this way online, but man..she pulled out some serious bs.
@@devonmunn5728 Agreed. What do words even mean any more.
And its crazy when you contrast it with the way a lot of male public figures are treated when they mess up, usually in more severe ways.
â@@Evute02You think in the interview Disney didn't approve of what ever she said. It's snow white, it isn't that deep. You are overexaggrating. Alot of male actors do that same shit.
If people want to bash anyone involved in this movie maybe they should bash Gadot for being s z*onist. Just saying
THIS! I just left this comment as well
Jfc I searched Rachel Zegler on here as I was watching this video and the top results arenât even her interviews or something, itâs just a bunch of channels calling her âwokeâ cos she was candid with her opinion
I hate how as soon as the âpublicâ doesnât like a young talented woman sheâs pinned with being a âpick-meâ. (Honestly I think a bit of the annoyance comes from people who think social media isnât real life and that they themselves shouldâve been cast instead but boohoo you didnât get picked, she did suck it up)
Inevitably the same people who are shitting on these young women are the same ones who in 5-10-20 years time will be asking why we were so mean to her and how they always loved her and that we shouldnât tear down women etc. Itâs a vicious cycle that society cannot seem to escape. We let the reigns go on a public enemy like anne hathaway just to tighten the reigns on the next girl until sheâs âpaid her duesâ of being put through hell and back.
To be honest, out of all the princesses, I do think Snow White could do with a little more agency and revamping.
You can't fix what's not broken!
â@@liampatrick3110 Snow White is literally the most useless and boring princess all she has is being pale and corny and change to her story will instantly be a improvement
@@liampatrick3110but you can decorate whatâs bland? are you really going to be paying money to see a sad beige movie?
The hate she gets from every direction is so wild, like from bigots and so-called feminists? For something she said during a press tour, where actors are literally just trying to promote the movie?? I really don't understand. I also think a lot of ppl think she's like too exuberant in interviews or something, like they think she should act more shy since she's so new to the industry or something. Like I've seen comments on her "aggressive personality," it's so fucking weird!!
I think youâre being too light on her thereâs a tik tok of her talking about being a light skinned Latina and other where she says she deserves every penny from a movie in a rather pedantic tone
@@justinherrera3722ârather pedantic toneâ sure, letâs hate mob an actress because she spoke in a rather pedantic tone and spoke about being a light skinned Latina. Makes perfect sense!
â@@justinherrera3722go outside.
â@justinherrera3722 should we start writing hardcore think pieces every time a famous person is sarcastic, which as everyone knows is a horrifically offensive crime,
â@@justinherrera3722Love how you're actively misquoting her and hoped no one would notice. What she actually said was that she deserved money for every hour a movie she stared in was streamed... as does every actor. Her words were in support of the fact that streaming actors are paid peanuts and they should be given way more, same as the writers.
You're the exact kind of person the video was talking about. Piss off with your fake outrage. If you don't want to see her on Tiktok, block her.
This!!! Also the fact that people are criticizing everything about her down to the way she speaks or her tone of voice... all of a sudden now that she's saying the exact same things about snow white that emma watson was saying about belle, it's a problem? not only that, but where emma watson would be called confident and echoing feminism, rachel zegler is called aggressive, haughty, or entitled. When kristen stewart calls snow white a leader, she's being cool, but when rachel zegler says it it's a problem. I wonder why ! đ
How people talk says a lot, it's one way to catch red flags. The way she spoke in the interview came off a bit pretentious and ignores that there are so many people who grew up with the classic and love it. Certainly turned me off to the whole thing (that and I like dwarves as dwarves call me weird, don't care), but to speak the way she did made it sound like she was trashing the original and that's what stuck with people. That may not have been her intent but is how she came off, and why she really should have had an agent from Disney backing her up.
Fr tho. Tbh I don't think Emma Watson was a good choice for Belle, but people ate it up because she was in Harry Potter.
To be fair, I think people are praising now Kristen because of the upcoming movie, she used to get a lot of hate back then. I don't think is genuine.
Both are annoying. Not everything is about race.
â@@moonsy-9733unless she said boatloads more than what was included in this video, she was not ignoring why anyone else would like the movie, she just said why SHE didn't like it (she was a little kid and it was scary, + of course she's going to promote this movie as better than the og because it's a fucking press tour and it's her job to make people want to see it. Every actor on every press tour for all time has been doing the same when they're in a remake). A person using a tone of voice that you don't like is not a "red flag" lmao none of us know this woman. Red flag for what exactly, that you personally won't like her as a celebrity?? Or the next time she gets publicly canceled you get to say "ohh i never liked her I could tell from the way she talked." Sincerely get over it
â@@greenonionbabeyWhy are you defending a celebrity?
The mention of Shazam flopping reminded me, watch Blue Beetle if you want an actually good superhero movie with an actually diverse creative team behind it
I find it kinda fUnNy how ppl were so quick to hate on Rachel ( at first) because âhEr SkIn iSnT aS wHiTe aS SnOwâ and yet if you look at her parents, ONE OF THEM IS GERMAN, WHO KNOW WHICH DISNEY PRINCESS IS GERMAN, SNOW WHITE!!! Bruh they literally cast someone whoâs mixed (half German) and people were so so so quick to talk shit about her skin colour. I think that fuelled the hate that she got recently bc ppl were already mad that she â nOt LiKe tHe oRiGiNaLâ and then as soon as she said âyeah, I donât WANT this to be like the originalâ they got so upset. I can 100% guarantee that if she was white she would not be getting HALF the hate she is, AND THATS SCREWED UP! Also, she was completely right in regards to the Disney ride âSnow Whites Spooky Adventuresâ being TERRIFYING for a young child. I remember going on it and being super creeped out. She should not get hate for talking about a poorly marketed Disney ride she went on as a toddler.
and she still has some european descent from her Colombian (most likely) side too so she can still be considered as âwhiteâ or a âwhite latinaâ
@@jennah5990yeah thatâs what us latinos refer to her as a white latina or of latin descent like sheâs just slightly tanned and people somehow find a problem with it
She is not pale enough,white people come in different shades,white people are not all the same.
none of her parents is German, tf are you talking about
Her father is polish
They canât get mad at Disney because they love the theme park, Mickey Mouse and his gang so instead they side step it by coming for Rachel.
I've been ignoring the live actions since they started, even with Beauty and the Beast which is my favorite Disney princess. Because they all felt cheap and an easy way to get you go to the cinema and I was broke at that time too so saved it all for marvel movies. So as someone who saw everything on the shadows, the outrage definitely started when POC got involved.
Suddenly Snow White 1937 is everyone's favorite movie đ€
At this point, every actress thatâs been at the head of these remakes has given interviews talking about how girlboss their take on the characters are - it feels less conspiracy and more likely that Disney is giving them the talking points and letting them take the heat for the most tired âthis aint your parentâs Disney movieâ quotes ever đ Rachel is an actress building up her career with some of the most iconic musical roles - people need to let her be.
Gotta point there my friend
This feels very⊠Meghan Markle 2.0. But maybe worse because sheâs only 22 - less self-assured and possibly more mentally vulnerable. Itâs scary how extreme and intentional people are when attacking women and girls. Itâs an ancient practice really. Never took much to be targeted for destruction as a woman or poc. God help the woc. Praying that she survives this.
@camocamouflage people are sending her death threats. if you search her name on youtube, there are thousands of videos tearing her apart for a few comments with thousands of comments doing the same thing. that has to do a lot of damage to a singular person, especially when they're so new to the indudstry
The old Snow White ride at Walt Disney World was infamous for scaring children. It was replaced quite a long time ago, now. If that was her second exposure to Snow White, itâs an actual trip through the scary forest, yeah I wouldnât choose to rewatch it, either. Great video, thank you!
To add onto the she won't be saved by a prince. You can even watch interviews based on other disney princess's and the actors say the exact same thing.
As soon as the vitriolic movement against this young woman started, I just thought âcan we please fast forward to the backlash-to-the-backlash phase of the viscous media consumption cycle.â Iâm so tired.
As someone who really liked the Little Mermaid remake but still has mostly negative feelings about Disney live-action adaptations (the only other one I like is 2015âs Cinderella), you encapsulated a lot of my thoughts about them and the publicâs (mostly) shallow takes on the original movies in the first place.
I wish the discussion around Halleâs casting wasnât so cynical; because while people acknowledged that Disney was silent about the vitriol she got, there were also a lot of leftists who implied she was cast specifically because sheâs black and virtually nothing elseâjust to get The Public âą talking and African American Butts âą in seats. It felt very insidious and ironically racistâŠ
But I also wonder, if these remakes *were* actually great, if old white guys didnât decide what feminism was and any attempts at feminism were better than what we usually get, what valid criticisms would people be able to hide behind to shit on these actresses? What else would they have to say besides the very obvious âThese remakes arenât super necessaryâ?
(Also, Iâll never forgive the decision to not deck Halle out in more extravagant costumes on land. Rob Marshall struck gold when he cast Halle and Jonah for Ariel and Eric but Idk why he didnât make the lighthearted princess movie look like a spectacle with its cinematography or set design or even the costume design TT_TT)
*Edit:* TLM cast and crew and even Bob Iger himself (who sucks) showed support for Halle but I genuinely wanna know how Disney can protect their actors from these hate trains online? Could they turn off comments on certain videos or something?
Itâs because nuance died years ago. People canât understand the influence of constant anger on their lives is cancer! You can disagree, 2 things can be true at the same time, there can be arguments that donât turn toxic⊠or at least in the past. The whole cancellation of movies people havenât seen is pure politics
@@jasminewilliams1673 It's depressing tbh because you can't give valid criticism of something online without people automatically assuming you're just a straight up hater đ
That's one of the things I disliked about the remained. Halle Bailey and Jonah are good lookong people and had chemistry. They deserved a movie with better execution, costumes and cinematography.
@@a.d.w8385 Oh yeah definitely! The script was really good (my favorite parts were when Ariel and Eric were together) but the visual aspects were lacking. It didn't look ugly but it could've been significantly better.
â@@toomanycrownsI think the reason why that is bolis down to how people take criticism nowadays. If someone for example said that they didn't like Disney Remakes, then they must be a HATER and not a REAL fan. It comes from Brand Loyalty and the idea of being fair with a company that doesn't even know our names.
It's fine if we disagree on a film. But whenever we call someone a name because they didn't like the latest movie, then that is where problems start.
I wonder if Ever After would receive this much hate if it were made today, since it was praised for creating a Cinderella that didn't wait to be rescued by the prince (something that Drew Barrymore had brought up repeatedly, even as recent as when she reunited with some of her cast members on her talk show).
There are a lot of things which have they been made today would have received a lot of hate. EG The Craft, Mean Girls, Jennifer's Body, etc.
"i dont understand why theyre attacking her and not disney" because they know disney is invulnerable, and the power fantasy only works if one can see their power in the hurt they cause someone
I pray that Rachel stays strong through this. How utterly repulsive of these racist, sexist, people to attack a child. She's 20, she's not even old enough to drink. She's a baby, this is ridiculous. I'm so ticked off, those morons better hope their idiotic hatred isn't spewed around me bc I will crack skulls.
Rachel Zegler is 22 years old, one year above the legal drinking age.
She may be young, but sheâs not a baby.
Sheâs a grown woman who just needs a better PR team.
Really great breakdown.
it reminds me of brie larson (big surprise) because she really never did anything wrong people just hated her so intensely. she maybe made an unfunny joke and just happened to be in a bad movie with a surface level view on girl power but she didnât actually do anything to anyone. itâs the same situation over again. I feel like we see this type of thing a lot where the internet just finds a woman to hate for no reason.
Me distracted by the renegades of funk...
I actually would love you to cover this too because the CZcams hate factory has been working overtime and Iâm just tired of this. These videos existed for 2 years straight to the point that if you look up The Little Mermaid it just brings up hate video after hate video. Now itâs just switching targets.
I was looking for exactly this comment
Hating women is a lucrative business. A lot of the hate sheâs getting is very much inflated and fake. Its a bunch of dudes trying to make of her what they did with Brie Larson: a cash cow and quick target for clout. Thereâs men whoâve talked like her about their roles who have gotten less hate. When woman openly talk about how they think their roles are subversive or empowering, the internet has become a breeding ground for grifters to use their words to make money off of outrage and hate. It is very much not just about racism or sexism: itâs about making money off of racism and sexism. Itâs very disgusting.
Is it though?
@@lancethefilmguy9392 If you want a wide enough example, just look up what the Manosphere is. The likes of Andrew Tate and Fresh & Fit literally made a lot of money off of hating women and catering to incels. The entire ''Anti-SJW/Woke movement'' is all based mainly on hating women and minorities for clout. They make BANK shitting on women on a daily basis. Just look at how much hate the likes of Brie Larson, Megan Thee Stallion, Dylan Mulvaney, Anita Sarkeesian, Greta Thunberg and many others get. It's very obvious how misogyny is insanely profitable both online and in mainstream media. Look at the constant bullshit they put Britney Spears through. You can literally set up a microphone with two of your buds, talk mad shit about women, say they suck cause they have it easy or are all whores, sell it as a podcast and watch as mfs will throw money at you. It is a BIG business, and it is disgusting.
@@lancethefilmguy9392it is and if you fail to see that youâre part of the problem
@@Bunihime How does this make me part of the problem? The person above is claiming that the hate Rachel is receiving is mainly from DUDES. I have also seen women on TikTok of all places calling her out on her behavior. To assume that it is only due to supposed "racism" or "making money of it" is nothing more than a Conspiracy Theory.
Nope, some women deserve criticism, and criticusing them is not any -ism, it's just common sense. You try to make everything about gender, while we criticuse them for their behaviour
Literally the only problem I have with it is I am so sick of Disney remaking the same movies for a cash grab thatâs whatâs truly angering, like Iâm sick of seeing new stories of poc and queer characters being passed up and tossed aside by fake inclusion and empowerment- like I genuinely donât care about her at all I hate DISNEY for passing up original stories just to make a live action remake of things weâve seen a million times- like I just want new shit at this point. Give new writers opportunities to tell their own stories
I bet the people hating on her are the same people who says "this generation is so sensitive"
And The way disney did nothing to defend her and Ariel means that they are letting this happen on purpose
I want many people to see this video. There is a fake news video released 5 days ago saying Zegler got fired and kicked out of the movie set. It's so funny that I don't even have to check if it's fake or not.
tbh mulan didnât even really fall for shang, he fell for her and she accepted his affections at the end of the film. which makes it even weirder that disney removed him to try to be âfeministâ lol.
Actually, Mulan did have a crush on Shang. Go look at that scene between her and Mushu after she called Shang âa great captain.â It happens right after the lake scene. (Which is around the middle of the movie)
She was into him, but pretending to be a man so she wouldnât be killed according to Chinese law for most of the movie kind of put romance on the back burner. đ
@@hellopumpkin86 i wasnât saying that she didnât like him. i was saying that he was definitely more into her than she was into him, which makes sense, because mulan was more focused on keeping her secret and adjusting to military life while shang was realizing that he was interested in her as ping (bisexual legend). obviously she also liked him as well, otherwise she wouldnât have accepted his interest in her.
@@gayliljaehyun Ah, okay.