Convair XF-92
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- The Convair XF-92 was one of the first aircraft built with the delta wing and inspired some of the most important aircraft in history. Still, test pilots usually hated to fly it, including legendary pilot Scott Crossfield.
Most aircraft, particularly ones that can fly faster than the speed of sound, have a delta-wing design. And it was the XF-92 that inspired it. At the time it was built, it was unlike anything that had ever flown before.
However, without being anyone's favorite, the Convair XF-92 flew over 300 times between 1948 and 1953 and became one of the most influential experimental aircraft in history.
Eventually, even Hollywood came calling, but even there it had a tough break...
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One thing that I have learned from watching Dark Skies videos is never to take for granted that the aircraft shown in the video clips is the one that the video is about and this video is no exception
I think there was definitely schematics of the f117 there at one point
Not even close with the sea dart there...
@@segriffincom ...or the X-15.
I’m just thankful he’s adding video content where there may not be video of cockpits or schematics of certain planes
@@segriffincom I noticed the Sea Dart and wondered how far down I would have to scroll to find a comment. Evidently don't far lol.
The XF-92 was a direct copy of the German DM-1 that was brought back after WW2 to the US and extensively tested in wind tunnel. Modifications were made during testing which led to the final configuration that the XF-92 was based on. The DM-1 was built by students, that is amazing.
That giant tail reminds me so much of the plane in the OG Johnny Quest.
I read Yager about 6 months ago and he seemed to love flying the XF92 but then again that guy could fly a well oiled safe.
Probably just wanted to mess with Scott Crossfield, who said, “Nobody wanted to fly the XF-92, There was no lineup of pilots for that airplane. It was a miserable flying beast.”
Lol sounds about right. Sorry Scotty.
He was my boyhood hero! I believe he flew the Bell X1A with a broken arm, from a horse riding accident the previous day.
@@kitemanmusic You should have known it was cracked ribs. And the exertion of pulling the canopy locking handle was too much. He had his midsection tightly wrapped AND ah engineer cup off a piece of broom handle for Chuck to use as a pry bar when securing the canopy. He kept the injury secret from the Air Force because he knew it would have kept him from making that historic flight.
PS
It's been said that earlier and unofficially, another test pilot exceeded the speed of sound in a prototype F-86. Probably in a shallow dive.
@@scootergeorge9576 The X-1 didn’t have an entry via the canopy - like most Bell aircraft, it had a hinged entry door.
The later X-1’s (X-1A to X-1D) did get a separate canopies and ejection seats when they were redesigned for Mach 2 operation).
My Father was 36 years as an aircraft engine fitter and in that time he worked on the French made Mirage for many years. It served Australia until we (Australia) bought FA18's over the new version of the Mirage. Now we are using F35's in different variants. Dad used to love his job in the RAAF.
He also taught me huge amounts from his time there. John, Australia.
My grandad worked on this plane, He told me how they bought thousands of white doves from Ringling Brothers to test the engine turbines and referred to them as "Paste"
Testing for FOD?
Why white doves?
Oh shit.
@@Muziify Kamala Harris says that proves Inherent White Supremacy and Racism!
That's super cool
While in the Navy my dad flew the F4D “Skyray” back in the 50’s.
One of my favorite early jet planes.
The ford was one sexy airplane.
@@massmike11 : I have a picture of my dad seating on the edge of the jet’s cockpit wearing his flight gear.
@@massmike11 - The F5D Skylancer was even better looking. The Navy said no.
Its vertical stabilizer alone has as many square inches as two F-104 wings.
While listing notable aircraft using delta wing tech u left out the Viggen. One of my favorites. No doubt one of the coolest looking jets to ever get a production run👍🏽
And the Vulcan !
While it was undeniably unique, the Viggen wasn't really iconic. There were also only about 300 made, over a 20 year production run. Its remarkably unimpressive service life is the biggest factor in this plane being so often overlooked.
And the Viggen was the only aircraft confirmed to intercept the SR-71
@@SkunkApe407 Well, the F-22 only had 186 airframes built, and of that, only 130 are fully operational. And it’s production run was not too long either. I think the Viggen is iconic, just in its own way.
@@aerospacematt9147 your point? The F-22 is largely considered a bust, so your comparison hardly does you any favors. The F-14 accomplished far more than both the Viggen and Raptor combined. The only thing iconic about the Viggen was the massive flop it became. It is little more than the Yugo of aviation.
How did footage of the Sea Dart make it into several parts of this video?
Hmmm, send the creator a message. Most readers have no idea.
@@kennethcurtis1856 The creator has no idea.
@@kennethcurtis1856 he does this crap in most of his videos. you'd think he'd learn by now.
Hmmm...my thoughts also. Was expecting the narrator to say these two were related in some way!
Common mistake for this channel.
When talking about aircraft with delta wings, you left out two very notable examples: the Avero Vulcan and the Concorde.
Particularly as he included footage of the Avro Vulcan… (pictures of the wind tunnel model air intakes)…
It’s that plane you drew in kindergarten
You missed the best plane out.
the VULCAN!
BEAUTIFULL!
No argument there!!
Everyone agrees 👍
Great to hear Scott Crossfields name. One of the greatest test pilots. Respect
Anyone who helps design the X-15. Then flies it for the first time for North American one of the best.
Love your great Videos thanks!
The Air Force was not renamed in 1946; it was 1947.
Of all things to get wrong, it's not like you can't do a search on the USAF. But I think they do stuff like this on purpose, just to get the comment.
Ya, Dark Skies means well, and I like him and subscribe, but his data and video footage is often spurious and a bit dodgy….
And perhaps the most iconic of delta wings - The Avro Vulcan
The Avro Vulcan and the B-58 Hustler. The Vulcan was huge and gorgeous to look at.
f-117a - not a perfect delta wing, but still...
@ Euclidus Chaumeau, So was the B-58, which looked like it was going mach 2 while parked. Also. The F-106 Delta Dart, which flew mach 2+ at 40K feet altitude.
Many would say the Mirage 3/5 series. The F-106 is perhaps the most handsome pure delta fighter, though.
It's wrong that the Vulcan isn't aloud to fly these days the on at Doncaster is perfect I would go up in it in a heartbeat
Great job on this one Mr. Dark Skies. You packed a lot of material into this video. The slightly slower narration sounds good.
Another great video. Thanks
The shooting star was the P-80 not P-89, please get a fact checker / proof reader
and he used a bunch of Sea Dart footage. I was better at airplane identification as a child.
Me 163 wasn't a Delta. It was just a tail less swept wing. Something nobody ever mentions about xf-92 is that it was the first plane with hydraulic flight controls. Yeager said it would fly great with a 6 foot stick,it was so touchy.
why are you using random image from random airplanes like the sea dart. or comet wing on the midle of the video
I was at Patuxent River Naval air station in 1992 and I saw the sea dart was sitting on the side of a hanger course they don’t fly it anymore but it’s still sitting there at Patuxent River Maryland
"One day you're a hero the next you're a bum." Scott Crossfield
Great show thanks
Enjoyed your video so I gave it a Thumbs Up
You didn't mention the Fairy Delta !, that was the progenitor/inspiration for the Mirage.
Mirage first flew in 1956 and the fairy delta first flew in 1954, I doubt it was an inspiration
@@yoamal1187 I think you are wrong there, the Fairey company were doing test flights over England and managed to break some windows with a Sonic Boom. Insurance which had been £50 up till then rocketed in price. The French Government were asked by Fairey if they could do test flights over France, to which they agreed. While it was parked in a French Hanger overnight it was comprehensively inspected by Engineers from Dassault. They built things quickly in those days.
@@grandadpop1470 Correct.
Random mix of Convair F2Y Sea Dart and X15 crash at the end???
Great work Sir thank you
Excellent post, DS. Merry Christmas.
why do you keep showing footage of the Sea Dart?
Good footage of the sea dart, another crazy Convair prototype. Surprised that there wasn't any images of the Lippisch DM 1 or the proposed powered version the P 13a!
Made me laugh when he said that the technology made it all the way to France. Marcel Dassault (Bloch) had been conducting delta winged research independently and for some time before the Convair/ Lippisch collaboration. And had access to German wartime research ( from what I can make of it most seems to have been from Messerschmitt GmbH who had plans to build several delta a/c p 1111 I think.) As did SAAB in Sweden.
Great shows these. Look forward to seeing them.
When I was a boy Hawk Models had a pretty neat kit of this plane. One of my boyhood favorites.
7:45 that's the Sea Dart, another delta prototype that is a good story in itself.
I can only imagine the corrosion issues and the corrosion control program.
@@spurgear4 The Sea Dart being a Navy project, it was weatherized to minimize corrosion. My father was an engineer on the Sea Dart (the XF-92A bring his first project for Convair), and I'm the surviving member of the restoration crew of the Dart on display in San Diego. I don't remember much corrosion -- not even in the empty engine bay -- and she'd sat outside for decades before we started the work in the 80-81,
There sure was a lot of Convair F2Y Sea Dart footage standing in for XF-92 in this episode. I also noticed that crash footage was of the X-15 (based on the shape of that vertical stabilizer). Next time, just loop the footage of the actual plane, even if you don't have a lot of it, and intersperse it with stills, declassified blueprints and cgi animations maybe.
Concur
I agree.
Said the same before I scrolled down and found your comment. They have a really bad history of talking about planes while showing footage of ones they aren't talking about.
Oh! I missed the X-15 wreckage. I only heard (way too much) about the Edmund Fitzgerald 😄
Nice video about XF-92 Aircraft's with Dulta wings it's characteristics at that time thanks for sharing
Make a video explaining how a 'navy landing ship' transported a plane to Muroc Air Force Base, now Edwards AFB, which is in the Mojave Desert.
I do not think the navy could get a ship to Muroc Air Force Base
Not to mention that kinda looked like a baby flattop (CVE)!
Sorry, that's still classified.
Philadelphia Experiment. I could tell you more but I’ve said too much already.
My uncle Bill was a wind tunnel and designer for first Volt aircraft later Chance-Volt then LST in Dallas Tex from 1946 till his retirement in the 80s - he use to give me wind tunnel models that were supposed to be scraped for my collection- I wish I still had them lol he was involved in the Delta Dart Delta Dagger planes design and tunnel testing and designed the tail section of the F8U1 crusader
CHANCE Vought
Volt, the electric fighter..... 😄
7:25 Looks like the Sea Dart as seen on an episode of Sea Hunt.
They must have shown the Sea Dart a half dozen times before bothering to identify it!
awesome video....
I’m sure the Germans had a prototype plane almost exactly like this at the end of the war.
look for alexander lipisch / lipisch p.14
@@horstguntherludolf6357 that’s the beast! Thanks for that Horst. Do you think the yanks pinched it?
Alexander Lippisch worked for Convair after the war. The resemblance is no coincidence.
@@horstguntherludolf6357 Not the 'P.13a' ?
Look up the story about the DM-1 and how it was modified by the US during wind tunnel testing after the war.
Awh look so
Dark skies are doing a great Job providing amazing entertainment
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THIS HAS BECOME THE BEST CHANNEL FOR THIS TYPE VIDEO.....I thanks you guy's & gal's make it what it is today...An less not leave the excellent VOICE...👍 👀
Love all the pictures of the water landing and mostly unrelated F2Y Sea Dart
Not sure what the X-15 is doing in there ? ..........filler clips should kept to the main subject matter .... more than one clip of the Sea Dart before finally being mentioned in the lineage ....
That were really spectacular and important Times in History. :-)
These are back in the days when the Test branch at Edwards were crashing more than 6-8 aircraft a week...heady times indeed!
For 1948 this plane was way ahead of its time.
The Sea Dart deserves its own video.
This was a very informative video... It does make me wonder if Convair did experiment with using a canard on their delta wing planes , like the Saab Gripen's and the Chinese (stolen blueprint , of the Saab Gripen's) , the Chengdu J-9.... The Canard would have solved many issues of longitudinal stability of the earlier delta wing designs...
There was an advance design for the F-106 fitted with canards on the intakes, but it was never built.
Considering the plane flew in 1948 it was on the bleeding edge so it would have some issues especially with such a low power engine.
and no one was killed in the testing
This was a time when many promising designs were cancelled due to failed engine designs. They had to use what they had.
Yeager's Mach 1 flight was famous, (not infamous).
I think it's crazy how this design influenced many of convairs designs, like the b58, sea dart, delta dart and delta dagger
Seems that some companies lock on to certain design features and run with it...Northrop and the flying wing is another good examole.
There were in fact a whole range of Delta winged aircraft built and flown successfully in Europe, at this time.
These include the de Havilland Swallow, the Fairy Delta 1, Boulton and Paul P111 and P120, and the French Durandal and Nord Griffin and probably the most successful of all, the Dassault Mirage.
Mig-21 ?
The only problem with this statement is that it is wrong. The Swallow was not a delta-winged plane; it had a swept wing of more conventional (if still very advanced for its time) design. All of the others you name (it's FairEy, btw) first flew after the XF-92's first flight in 1948; several didn't fly until after the XF-92's retirement in 1953. It really was ahead of its time. Unfortunately, it was not very good.
Despite the faults a very valuable research tool.
Across all of Darks channels, I'm usually saying; "Oh, wow... That's interesting."
Good video as always! I wish you guys would cover the Ryan X-13 Vertijet.
Another excellent aircraft video. Can we please have one about the Lavochkin LA-250 Anaconda.
I saw the thumbnail and exclaimed, that's one of my KSP creations!
Well, about damn time! The narrator speech delivery has a marked improvement. But he still rushes his speech at times like he's running out of breath.
It's the P-80 Shooting Star, not the P-89. P-89 was the Scorpion. Side note: You should do an episode on the Scorpion.
He already did.
F 89, not P 89.
I have read in Chuck Yeager's book, that one of the reasons pilots disliked the XF-92, was that it required a VERY high angle-of-attack to land, which left the pilot with almost no forward visibility.
Also, the Lippisch DM-1 and the Messerschmitt Me-163 rocket fighter you showed are not the same plane; the DM-1 looked like a shortened XF-92 minus the protruding nose and was tested in the wind tunnel at speeds approaching Mach 3, where it proved remarkably stable. It flew only as a glider, but was planned to be fitted with a coal-burning ramjet for powered supersonic flight, as gasoline supplies were very limited in Nazi Germany at the end of the war. Also, some of your footage towards the end is NOT the XF-92, but the Convair Sea Dart experimental fighter. I also noticed some X-15 footage, too.
Yeager's "Infamous" Mach One flight? WTF?
6:10 Great footage of the Convair Sea Dart.
Can absolutely see the influence on the F-22 and that aircraft.
You must see a lot of things in clouds too?
Well now I'm intrigued...As a graduate of the University of the South, I want to know where this plane was kept there prior to going to Dayton Ohio?
The large tail with a plane attached to it.
Man it took a long time for you to mention the Sea Dart, long after images of it were being shown on screen.
Also that last line about "can be seen in aircraft from different companies" could've been written better.
Of the examples cited and shown, all of the aircraft, except for the F-22 Lightning II which is built by Lockheed, were built by Convair.
It’s pounds of thrust not just such and such pounds when referring to jet engines cmon man how can you be taken seriously if you can’t get such simple things correct?
Besides the French the Swedes also made the delta wing their national shape, from the Draken onwards.
"Roger"
"Yes Lance"
"Shut Up"
Great vid, but I couldn't help making an old cartoon reference.
Well played, General Brassbottom....😉
Lippisch is one of my favorite designers. He later drew jet powered flying cars too. Interesting man..
I'd like to hear more about the Sea Dart, if you would.
I don’t understand how footage of the X-15 is justified in this video. Apart from that, great video!
He’s been using a lot of the same b roll in his vids.
@@suspicionofdeceit There's only so much B roll he can use.
Please do more research before posting a video...... and please note that the documentary video clips that you are using are not matching the content.
If you were an engineer in the 40s you could have blown everyone's minds so easily.
"Hey - maybe planes will go faster if we make them pointier"
"Now make them EVEN pointier"
So this was the “No one likes it but it’s the beginning of something incredible” of aircraft design
I would like you to do a film on the Cutless carrier aircraft. I find that one interesting.
They are making a modern stealth plane that looks like the Cutlass. I hope it won't be another widow maker like the F-7 was.
What is the background music you used for this video?? I need to know
Sweden and France - "All our planes look like this."🔺
Go Team Venture!
Hey, there's footage of the Convair XF2Y Sea Dart, the supersonic USNavy seaplane.
One of the shots was a of a sea dart...found in willow grove pa navy base
Although the A4D Skyhawk had a separate tail plane it did use a delta wing. This allowed the "Scooter"[ to dispense with the weight an d complication of folding wings, commonly used on carrier aircraft.
the "severe pitch problems" most likely were due to a dip between the back of the canopy and the tailfin.......................had such a dip been filled in with a smooth transition bridge of material between the canopy and the tailfin........................like some of the migs had in years later..........................the pitch problem most likely would have been either resolved or less extreme. neat looking plane and great video!
More likely due to tip stall.
It is good to remember that most of the early jet airplanes suffered from pitch problems more or less severe and also aerodynamic instability. Already the Me 262A suffered at high speed but apparently the Me 163 designed by Lippisch didn't had any problems.
Vertical tail masking would result in yaw problems not pitch problems.
It would be nice to show all the video of the aircraft that is the subject and not other aircraft.
Another delta wing aircraft was the Avro 707s and the subsequent Avro Vulcan bomber. The first 707 flew in 1949. The Vulcan was the only delta wing bomber, but handled like a fighter.
How could a Navy landing ship possibly transport the aircraft to Muroc?
Full speed ahead and hope for the best 🤣
@@paulboger7377 Yep, big surf in the Mojave desert. 🤦🏽♂️🏄♂️
@@WALTERBROADDUS, should hold surfings championship out there 🤪
The delta wing was patented in 1867 by Butler and Edwards just ~20 years after the first powered flight by Stringfellow which itself got a nod in film in "The Flight of the Phoenix".
You foregott to mention the tailor of ulm from 1680 with the first confirmed sailplane of the world, that was a ovaoid design.😂
I would really like a deep dive into Operation Paperclip.
It is mentioned often but I want full info.
3:32 - picture is correct, P-80, and audio says it is a Shooting Star, also correct, but audio says it is a P-89, which is wrong. Always excellent documentaries- there are enormous amounts of facts to get straight.
No mention of the Concorde as far as related Delta wing jets(?)
Hello there
General kenobi!
One of the most successful strategic bombers was the Avro Vulcan -- a delta wing and one fantastic aircraft.
I think the title says XF-92
The Air Force did not become a separate branch of the military until 1947 before that it was the US Army Air Force
I too noticed this. So I double checked on Wikipedia for the XF-92. Per Wikipedia the XF-92 did make it's first flight until 1948 which would then make it the USAF. However even Wikipedia stated the contract was "presented" in 1946 to the U.S. Air Force. Go figure! ;-)
@6:10 check out a F2Y Sea Dart . . .
Worked the fire control system F 102A Mg 3, 10 also F 89 E-9 MG 12 system "J" models later the F 101 B ( 1957 -1960 )
I remember this plane
3:35 - "P-89 Shooting Star". That should be P-80 Shooting Star.
Once again I am seeing footage that is not of the XF-92. This is a common issue of this channel - using footage that is not of the aircraft being discussed. That does impact the credibility of the channel.