Why I’ve switched… // Obsidian vs Notion

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    In this video we will compare two popular note taking and project management tools, Obsidian and Notion. We'll explore the pros and cons of each program, and discuss their limitations. If you're interested in finding the best tool for your note taking and project management needs, this video is for you. #Confluence #Kolekti #ContentFormattingMacros
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    Timestamps:
    00:00 Introduction
    03:13 Privacy and file storage
    06:05 Which tool has the better features?
    11:39 Pricing and Collaboration
    15:19 Conclusion
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Komentáře • 109

  • @StaffyDoo
    @StaffyDoo Před 27 dny +139

    It’s funny, I’m in the process of moving to Obsidian after using Notion for about two years. Notion is great and all, but once you upload anything to it, it’s not more yours. Obsidian + Syncthing will give me back that control Data Sovereignty above stupid comfort! ✊

    • @Nulley0
      @Nulley0 Před 27 dny +10

      Yup, Obsidian with Synthing here, using it for a long time
      plugins take some time to load in Obsidian, otherwise a solid option.

    • @vargonian
      @vargonian Před 26 dny +1

      I get frustrated every time I try to name an Obsidian note with characters like slashes in the name.

    • @dastiffmeister1
      @dastiffmeister1 Před 26 dny +3

      Any of you ever had issues syncing between different device types? I moved away from Obsidian & Syncthing to Joplin because it keeped on having more and more issues syncing certain files. Maybe due to the filename not being allowed on certain platforms.
      Really enjoying using a combination of code-server (for code & scripts) and joplin for general notes and tables (luv me some tables that aren't in markdown). All my data is mine and can be accessed and seamlessly synced across all devices.

    • @Nulley0
      @Nulley0 Před 26 dny +2

      @@dastiffmeister1 I have three devices synced with folder vault, I do sometimes use them simultaneously, no issues for me.
      I do keep daily backups, just in case.

    • @BastiDevil80
      @BastiDevil80 Před 26 dny +5

      I use the same combination of Obsidian + Syncthing and it works like a charm on all devices I use (Windows, Linux and Android)

  • @murtadha96
    @murtadha96 Před 27 dny +11

    I use both of them together. Obsidian is perfect for my own private notes and my own personal projects, planning, and Zettlkasten connected permanent notes. Notion is perfect for project management, transient notes, its databases, things to “explore” as opposed to concrete stuff like book notes for example.

  • @ikubeberlin
    @ikubeberlin Před 27 dny +68

    ai, online, own format, no plugins I'm out

  • @markloughtonUK
    @markloughtonUK Před 26 dny +13

    Obsidian + obsidian-livesync (self hosted sync server run in docker) is the way to go 😊

  • @tyler785
    @tyler785 Před 26 dny +7

    I've switched to AnyType and I'm pretty happy with it for how I use a second brain.

    • @xKipura
      @xKipura Před 21 dnem

      My brain literally explodes because i dont know what to use. Obsidian, Appflowy, Anytype or Notion. I watched Obsidian linking your thinking and it was really complicated. Appflowy seems Like being in a pretty early stage (someone told me that), so i guess not that many Features as Notion. And Notion has no local files and people say its slow, which would bother me...
      Now you said Anytype, may ask what you cant do that Notion has and what it can do that Notion doesnt have?

    • @tyler785
      @tyler785 Před 21 dnem

      @@xKipura I haven't used Notion in awhile so I'm probably not the best source of info. Honestly Notion probably has more features and I'm a victim of "the new shiny". The main reason that Anytype hooked me was the ability for local syncing. Not needing an external service to make it work. The idea that only I controlled my data was cool. Unlimited notes, because as long as you have HD space, you can store it. Their FAQ covers all this pretty well. Oh, and it's open source!

    • @jaf8728
      @jaf8728 Před 18 dny +1

      @@xKipura it has local mode with local sync, can link local files and has a slightly different approach than notion. but talking about cons, it lacks many features such as formulas, recurring objects, nice calendar view and grid view hierarchies

  • @ikubeberlin
    @ikubeberlin Před 26 dny +3

    One good point of obsidian is you have the files local, so you can share the files you want with your editor (not with obsidian but other methods) and not the whole vault with your private notes

  • @JohnWalsh-uw3cj
    @JohnWalsh-uw3cj Před 26 dny +9

    I always want to use Notion but it is so slow feeling…

  • @marcinkunert
    @marcinkunert Před 26 dny +15

    Notion takes ages to start, feels heavy and clumpy.

    • @hemantaphurailatpam3956
      @hemantaphurailatpam3956 Před 23 dny

      That's why I use notion only in the browser.

    • @jaf8728
      @jaf8728 Před 18 dny

      if notion takes ages, then obsidian takes centuries just to achieve +- similar experience

  • @BusDriverBob
    @BusDriverBob Před 4 dny

    I'm still using Obsidian since it's just me using it and I don't really need to share the files with anyone. I did find that the best option for doing sync is to place the vault in a file sharing location (OneDrive, ICloud etc) This gives me the ability to sync across all of my devices with no additional cost involved.

  • @SplittingField
    @SplittingField Před 26 dny +2

    Any experience with backups? For example, if you lose access to your account tomorrow, will you have your files available in a reasonable format to continue where you left off?

    • @itsamemarkus
      @itsamemarkus Před 24 dny

      it's pretty decent, you can get a markdown export where also the media is linked correctly. But obvisouly all the functionality that makes notion so good is lost at that moment

    • @usmcboyd
      @usmcboyd Před 24 dny

      If you are using Obsidian, use the Obsidian Git plugin. By default saves files every 3 minutes.

  • @GhostOpsAirsoft
    @GhostOpsAirsoft Před 26 dny +6

    I'm looking at "Anytype" that has the local first approach as a Notion replacement. But it lacks a good approach to self-hosting the sync server. Currently you have to build out everything on your own. They do have plans to make self-hosting the sync server much easier soon.

    • @EastexCruiser
      @EastexCruiser Před 26 dny +1

      As far as I know, the syncing is built into the program. I have four devices connected and never had to set up a sync server. You have the option of backing up to the cloud with Anytype's server,or you can keep the data all to yourself.

    • @GhostOpsAirsoft
      @GhostOpsAirsoft Před 25 dny

      @@EastexCruiser I might try something like "Syncthing" to sync the folder across devices. I just want to avoid using anyone else's cloud, if I can.

    • @jaf8728
      @jaf8728 Před 18 dny

      @@GhostOpsAirsoft there's a local sync functionality, i sync it for example with my phone and it works perfectly fine

  • @benzflynn
    @benzflynn Před 3 dny

    I have managed to get by without either, Christian.
    But from what you say it seems like usability and collaboration is easier with Notion while Obsidian has greater scope for linking ideas, facts and phenomena together although a slower learning curve.

  • @ExpressITTechTips
    @ExpressITTechTips Před 26 dny

    Detailed view would be useful , I’ve just done a video on Vikunja and now I’m thinking that I use that and obsidian could I not combine the two. Yeah it’s not self hosted notion but that has some benefits as well

  • @johngleeson7919
    @johngleeson7919 Před 26 dny +2

    How do you get all your data from Obsidian into Notion? Worse still, how do you get data out of Notion?

  • @sebg3924
    @sebg3924 Před 27 dny +18

    I installed Obsidian 15 minutes ago just to try and now im confused 😂

    • @nosurname9652
      @nosurname9652 Před 26 dny +3

      It's much easier to look for a quick tour into is main possibilities while trying to understand it. It's really powerful tool and asks a lot of time, but result can be quite impressive. Public plugins can take it to even next level as well.

    • @cossack4930
      @cossack4930 Před 26 dny +3

      you'll still say that in a year

    • @stefaniejudex6303
      @stefaniejudex6303 Před 16 dny

      😂 me too, I love notion but I needed some offline app

  • @linkarzu
    @linkarzu Před 26 dny +6

    And I'm switching from Obsidian to Neovim 😂
    If anyone's interested I'll soon upload a video on how to view and paste images in neovim

  • @usmcboyd
    @usmcboyd Před 24 dny +1

    Two things. 1) Your discord link is expired. 2) How did you go about moving your obsidian notes to Notion while maintaining properties?

  • @patthe14th
    @patthe14th Před 18 dny

    Hi Christian, just found your channel and it's awesome. 2 suggestion requests, rancher and hashicorp vault with eso🙂

  • @shakibhossain4334
    @shakibhossain4334 Před 12 dny

    Brother i'd love to know your suggestion about building a small data center for a cloud computing service company running with Proxmox as a core system.
    Is it a good idea to run with proxmox as the core system?
    Thank you!

  • @Panzerboy006
    @Panzerboy006 Před 27 dny

    Nice video, I'm also in the process of evaluating Notion for my personal notes. At the moment it's a mess with notes in Apple Notes, OneNote, Notion, Obsidian and Bear. I would like to consolidate them all in Notion.
    What is a bit worrisome for me is the fact that the content is somewhere "in the cloud" and in a proprietary format (remember Evernote?). However, for the features it has, it might be worth the risk.
    I am definitely interested in a deep-dive on how exactly you're using Notion. I'm always looking for tips and tricks ;-).

    • @juhis-dev
      @juhis-dev Před 8 dny

      For me, the lack of offline functionality was the reason I switched away from Notion. I really liked the tool (and still use it as my headless CMS for my website) but the fact that I can't access my notes nor write new ones if I don't have access to internet or the service is down was just too much.

  • @julienSibille
    @julienSibille Před 26 dny +4

    Interested in deeper Notion discovery !

  • @Theborg72
    @Theborg72 Před 24 dny

    Hi thanks.
    Yes thanks, I'm like you I look and run obsidian and have many times glanced at notion.
    please make a video where you show how you do it in Notion.

  • @user-gh4lv2ub2j
    @user-gh4lv2ub2j Před 26 dny

    Sweet! Was looking for a new not taking ap

  • @strangetoucane
    @strangetoucane Před 26 dny

    I use both for technical notes and CZcams Notes as well for syncing.

  • @ivantomica
    @ivantomica Před 26 dny

    Since I invested in learning Emacs and using org-mode for all my notes, tasks, and much more, I stopped having this need for hopping between apps. 🙂 As long as you stick with one product, you can be productive in any. Worst thing for productivity is being on the constant productivity hunt. Spending more time managing tasks than doing them. 🙂

  • @MrDapar
    @MrDapar Před 13 dny

    Yes I’d love to see how it’s used in your projects.

  • @ronm6585
    @ronm6585 Před 26 dny

    Thanks Christian.

  • @dkryptonut
    @dkryptonut Před 14 dny

    I can understand your thinking. In my 20's, I would have been all over Obsidian....but now in my 40's - I just want it to get out of the way and let me do what I need to do, and Notion is better at that. My free time is limited and I'd rather spend it on things that interest me, instead of fighting with a writing / note taking tool, making it work the way I need it to. And....I'm rarely without internet these days so it's nice that my stuff is just there.
    Same thing goes with Linux distros. There's quite a few people who don't like Ubuntu because it's a bit heavier and pre-put together - to me, that's great - and cheaper than a Mac. Also loving WSL2 on Windows for desktop use where I'm not running Linux as the primary desktop.

  • @nosurname9652
    @nosurname9652 Před 26 dny

    Would like to see your way of notion usage.
    To be honest commercial license for obsidian is not a "must have" at all since all information is stored in place you decide 🤫 and only problem for group of ppl using it is to make proper synchronisation if they don't want to use payed version.

  • @Redlabel0
    @Redlabel0 Před 26 dny

    just use filesystem, sync thing and if you really want to visualize your notes process them files with awk and grep and visualize them with R. by the way the command find exists and also fuzzy finders

  • @markloughtonUK
    @markloughtonUK Před 26 dny +4

    but Obsidian suits your colour scheme 😂

  • @Fatman305
    @Fatman305 Před 26 dny

    So as far as I'm concerned:
    Obsidian should bake-in the functionality of the top 10 or so extensions to make it a safer bet that there'll always be support and a ton of effort to fix bugs there.
    Notion should allow users to use their own cloud. I trust my Google Drive way more than any other cloud...
    Bottom line: will continue on my (so far very short) journey with Obsidian and hopefully in the future will give support/assistance in boosting stability of extensions I really care about...

  • @MuchBacon
    @MuchBacon Před dnem

    Completely understand this move. There is no true alternative to Notion. Notion has its downsides, but it blows all the competition out of the water. And this is coming from big opensource and security enthusiast.

  • @silentcraftsman
    @silentcraftsman Před 25 dny

    Could you make a video describing how Notion can replace the “back link” feature of Obsidian? I am gravitating to Obsidian because of the visual relationship between files. Especially with the Canvas feature. I love mindmaps. Unless Notion has a similar feature.

    • @xKipura
      @xKipura Před 21 dnem +1

      Well at the end of the day the visualisation is only a Gimmick and has no real value you can profit from.

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen Před 15 dny +2

      Notion has backlinks in children pages, it can be toggled on or off. But the only way to get a relationship is if you manually create it linking the pages inside a list or similar.

  • @recursivecube44
    @recursivecube44 Před 27 dny

    I'm currently half way between the two. I started switching back to Obsidian recently because I hate scattering my data across different platforms. I want my NAS to be a single source of truth where everything is, but I just can't get Obsidian to be convenient on my Android Phone and iPad due to needing to use Icloud or Obsidian sync. Notion's app is far more convenient and I love the features, but I just wish I could store it locally and the lack of Linux app is so frustrating.

  • @petrifiedDuck-wv3wf
    @petrifiedDuck-wv3wf Před 18 dny

    I really like Notion, but it felt like moving to Obsidian was a better decision for me to keep my IT-related notes in a Zettlkasten-like repo. I also like owning my notes, so sharing them with Notion didn't feel right.

  • @Andy-jz1zw
    @Andy-jz1zw Před 21 dnem

    I've tried everything, spent more time looking up apps rather than do the things I want to do.
    I'm the end I've settled on OneNote. I feel like I'm trying to be a person I'm not with obsidian.

  • @itsamemarkus
    @itsamemarkus Před 24 dny

    Thanks for the video. I really like Notion, but I stopped using it a long time ago because I'm too afraid Microsoft will buy it one day

  • @ArthurWiebe
    @ArthurWiebe Před 26 dny +5

    No thanks, I don't need another lock in platform

  • @demorez5
    @demorez5 Před 26 dny +6

    i was always interested how much companies pay for sponsored videos. now i know :D

  • @hpsfresh
    @hpsfresh Před 26 dny +1

    Soooo you telling that you never heard about Appflowy?

    • @xKipura
      @xKipura Před 21 dnem

      Arent there many thinks you cant do with Appflowy that you can with Notion?

  • @Coffeelosopher
    @Coffeelosopher Před 26 dny +1

    Inb4 hes getting into emacs + org mode + org-roam

  • @Vision06
    @Vision06 Před 21 dnem +1

    You did it the wrong way around mate 🙂
    Went from proprietary to open source, from cloud to local …
    My data!

  • @gfcgabriel
    @gfcgabriel Před 26 dny +3

    I use self hosted trrillium

  • @avluis86
    @avluis86 Před 27 dny +1

    I see, I click

  • @DigitalSpaceport
    @DigitalSpaceport Před 26 dny

    Oh man Notion is just not great for a solo homelab user experience. I think for sure if you have a company of younger users, sure notion makes great sense. I care not about the beauty of what I make myself, its all about getting accurate notes down and done.

  • @ubersponge
    @ubersponge Před 26 dny +1

    Emacs org-roam is the place to be.

  • @jaygan3176
    @jaygan3176 Před 21 dnem

    How about 'anytype'? More Notion like, perhaps?

    • @jaf8728
      @jaf8728 Před 18 dny +1

      it still lacks a lot of crucial features, although progressing very rapidly

  • @adrienb.5385
    @adrienb.5385 Před 22 dny +2

    Good video but honestly Joplin is much much better... and it's opensource !

  • @stephane-lopez
    @stephane-lopez Před 24 dny +5

    I bet you change back in less than 12 months. :D

  • @slavasslava3039
    @slavasslava3039 Před 21 dnem +1

    The lack of Notion native app (there are some 3rd party tools) for Linux is the reason I don't like it! Shame on them.

  • @overmastermisterio
    @overmastermisterio Před 26 dny +2

    Give your privacy away , i use Obsidian to keep alot of personal notes and info as well , but it all doesnt matter if i have to be online for that, i am out

  • @LordDemonos
    @LordDemonos Před 26 dny

    Great video. It may have further solidified my new journey into Obsidian but that's ok. Its great to know about the alternatives and why they may or may not fit your needs.

  • @erfianugrah
    @erfianugrah Před 27 dny +3

    Self-host Joplin

    • @runningman4504
      @runningman4504 Před 26 dny

      Using Joplin privately and at work, self-hosted and local data, works great. But good to hear there are other solutions..

    • @perfectdarkmode
      @perfectdarkmode Před 4 dny

      I hated everything about Joplin. Bleh

    • @erfianugrah
      @erfianugrah Před 4 dny

      @@perfectdarkmode It's clunky, but I think the only option that's truly self-hosted I think

    • @perfectdarkmode
      @perfectdarkmode Před 3 dny

      @@erfianugrahThere are tons of self hosted option. Loseq, vimwiki, trillium, etc.

  • @user-lj2xy3lo6d
    @user-lj2xy3lo6d Před 26 dny

    Hi Cristian! I believe that making separate videos for Notion would be great, and even twice as great if you describe there if there are any tools for data migration from Obsidian to Notion.

  • @soymadip.
    @soymadip. Před 4 dny

    8:23 notion doesn't take time?? Trust me, it takes more once you start to try making "the perfect setup"

  • @kettusnuhveli341
    @kettusnuhveli341 Před 21 dnem

    That Kolekti ad was quite a worrying one, it seems to me like they're in a way just trying to buy reviews... 💀

  • @knightwolf8877
    @knightwolf8877 Před 26 dny

    logseq and git

  • @theangelofspace155
    @theangelofspace155 Před 26 dny

    6:00 idk if I should finish the video. This is a no no for me

    • @christianlempa
      @christianlempa  Před 26 dny

      That’s fine, but you should still finish the video 😄☝️

  • @davidwendorff1051
    @davidwendorff1051 Před 25 dny

    Moin Christian, beides tolle Tools aber zwischen deiner sehr suggestiven Rhetorik in diesem Video und den diversen jump-cuts, hast du mich gänzlich verloren.

  • @faiI2ben
    @faiI2ben Před 25 dny

    Org-mode. Simple text files.
    Don’t use Notion, at all
    Obsidian is also not open-source…

  • @VoklavTube
    @VoklavTube Před 13 dny

    logseq anyone 😢 ?

  • @simonl8284
    @simonl8284 Před 8 dny

    Notion doesn't know what it wants to be. For a note taking app, its average.

    • @christianlempa
      @christianlempa  Před 6 dny

      It's not really a note-taking app, although the name "notion" comes from it, it's more a collaboration and project management tool in my opinion

  • @Trat1100
    @Trat1100 Před 26 dny

    Hmm...Christian never Pins a comment... Also love your videos

  • @Danielo515
    @Danielo515 Před 24 dny +1

    Just came to twll you that you are absolutely wrong. But you have to make your own mistskes to learn.

  • @peterkrau4486
    @peterkrau4486 Před 20 dny

    Notion is slow as fuck. Cant stand it.