Setting The Record Straight About Michael Jordan’s Wizards Years
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- A response video to claim that Michael Jordan was a failure on the Washington Wizards.
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Underrated? Failure? What do you think?
definitely underrated. But that injury really ruined his wizards years
Underrated. But tbh, he should have retired with the bulls.
Underrated for sure!
I didn't want him to come back, because I didn't want those Bulls years get eclipsed by an old MJ, but it was as you said a cherry on top of his greatness.
I think it proved one thing, the whole "he wouldn't be as good today because the leagues more athletic" narrative aint it. He dropped 50 bombs on super athletic players like Baron Davis, Richard Jefferson, Kenyon Martin and many more while being a shell of himself athletically due to old age and injury.
Will not comment on the other guy as I don't want to be too harsh. So yeah I'm with ya Jonny(agreed with your MJ wizards vid), it's kinda annoying when people are so narrow-minded and context ignoring. But then again who cares it's their loss.
The craziest thing for me is that MJ didn't play for three years and had to do an even harder training to come back in shape. He had very bad knees, a miniscus surgery at the age of 39 and still played all 82 games in his last season with 37 minutes a game. At the end of the season he was 40 years old. Who can do things like that at this level?
He's the one and only. He was doing this in essentially the NBA's version of the deadball era too when the pace was much slower, spacing wasn't great, and scoring was much lower.
Add in the fact he had to cut back on that training due to getting his ribs broken.
Mj > lebron forever
@@purplemonkeydishwasher4241Exactly! Kids today don’t realize how inflated the stats are right now 😂
lebron james
I feel like Jordan’s Wizards years defined his career. He wasn’t afraid to try. He wasn’t afraid to fail. He wasn’t afraid to do what everyone who thought his career was so perfect didn’t want him to do. And he probably wanted to solidify his brand and sell a few more shoes.
Dont forget. He donated his salary to 911 victims.
I’d say it was definitely his bulls years. Without those people would not talk about micheal Jordan they way they do.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643 he taught them. What? Defending is only about rebounding?
@almarjyou The season before Jordan joined the Wizards they were one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in league. I'm asking how Jordan was able to turn the Wizards into a top 3 defending and rebounding team despite him being old and playing through injuries
A true class act, you didn't retaliate emotionally at all, you kept it in the realm of logic and facts, that's how you do it, shouldn't have to sub or slander anyone to make your point
And the other donkey definitely deserved to be mocked for having such stupid logic and arguments. Good on Jonny for showing restraint and keeping it professional, bc i for sure wouldn’t have.
Sorry Jonny, but that shout out at the beginning was garbage. Ain’t not way I’m subbing to that braindead mf!
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
In my opinion he kinda did get emotional about it in the beginning seeing how there's no reference to Jonny's original video at all. I could be wrong though.
@@JohnSmith32643 Idk about you but 1 generational guy can have a huge impact on any team. Be it a positive impact like Kawhi to Raptors or negative one like Westbrook to Lakers.
@@ignaciorivera2488Clayton didn’t reference Jonny’s original video either, besides this was a reaction and response to Clayton’s video
Jordan during his Wizards stint before the injury was putting up equal numbers with young all star level Kobe, MVP level Iverson, young Vince Carter and soon to win a scoring title TMac for example. I call that extremely impressive for an almost 39 year old.
My man look at his Field Goal Percentage and his Efficiency rating. All empty stats. He was the boss of that team of course everyone just gave him the ball
@@tonyjamini Not empty stats. It lead to wins. He also motivated the players a lot. The wizards defense and performance was just in general better with him.
@@tonyjamini AI wss empty stats then lol
@@tonyjaminiHow the hell were they empty stats when it was LEADING THE TEAM TO WINS. I swear when it comes to Jordan, for these illiterate 17yr olds with Iphones all common sense and objectivity is thrown out the window
@@tonyjamini He was 17th in player efficiency rating on 2001-02. The wizards went 30-30 in the game he played vs. 7-15 when he was injured and didn’t play .
Thank you Jonny for dispelling the narratives of Michael Jordan’s time with the Wizards!
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 we can please stop doing these goat debates. It’s a waste of time and not everyone can agree Jordan or LeBron is the goat.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 That's great and all but 2011 choke job with a superteam.
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 bruh you don't even kno bro. Stop d-riding on a post that has LITERALLY nothing to do with him
@@vicepresidentmikepence889Yo chill I’m not reading an essay on why you’re riding LBJ
In context: he was putting stats like Jimmy Butler or Paul George ( Clippers version) at 40 years old, with handcheck defense allowed and less ball possessions.
And less spacing
Yup. Pre injury wizards MJ especially as the season went on was basically a better version of derozan.
less ball posessions?
@@cfl4286 wizards jordan is my favorite tbh. Because jordan played very smart and kept it simple.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Holy shit, MJ averaged 25 6 and 5 before the injury and actually getting better in last 10 games averaging 30 6 and 6, that's MVP lvl production right there.
At freaking 40
Was his efficiency in those games good?
@@fortynights1513in the last couple weeks before the injury when he was averaging 30 he was at 47 or 48% I believe which is phenomenal for a shooting guard in the early 2000s
@@AstonishingRedd-zw2drAgreed, he was working himself into basketball shape after Artest broke his ribs in the off- season and into his feel for the game.
@@fortynights1513 if u watched the video or did some of your own homework, you would have known how efficient it was..
During the 2-9 start, Jordan was recovering from a knee injury and cracked ribs he got in a pickup game against Ron Artest (with a 15 year-old Lebron in attendance). After breaking his ribs, he hit a clutch shot to end the game. I lived in Washington and saw him score 40 a couple times with his knees iced whenever he sat on the bench. Dude is a freak. Best small forward in the league, even at that age.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Na. He was just in their asses every practice
I love how Jonny shows FULL CONTEXT on everything. People like to nit pick certain scenarios to justify their take and its been one of the biggest issues in the community.
Facts bro
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643 I honestly think its just the combination of veteran presence , continued improvement and better coaching
@@JohnSmith32643
It just sucks, that he took that break again, then went to Washington, as I think he could’ve went to another team, had he wanted a challenge, instead of staying on the Bulls.
JERRY STACKHOUSE WAS BEST SCORER IN NBA, 30 PPG ALLSTAR PRIOR TRADE. JERRY SAYS MJ RUINED HIS CONTRACT YEAER HE BECOME FTROM BEST SCORER , TO BENCH IN DALLAS.
Those averages before the injury compared to other players across the board at the time is INSANE especially considering age gap. I'm so glad that you split it before injury vs. post injury because that tells the whole story clearly. 🐐MJ
29 6 and 6 at that age in THAT era b4 they officially abolished hand checking..i wonder what that translates to in 2004 post hand check when everyone's scoring numbers blew up or even 2023. Maybe 36 10 and 8 in 2023 numbers lol
@@HailKingCeezer most superstars actually scored less when hand checking went away at first
@@smooothzy was it 05 then when they sky rocketed and everyone had career high ppg?
@@HailKingCeezernah 04-05 everyone had pretty mid stats, the boom only came in a year later
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
They were on pace to easily be the #1 defensive team when MJ and Rip were healthy together in their last 16 games which was of course the 15-1 record b4 mikes injury. He was steadily improving his own play from the 2-9 start and not so coincidentally the team started winning and getting better and better defensively.
I will say this.
It doesn’t really add anything to his GOAT argument (Clayton Crowley did a decent video arguing MJ as a Wizard was a failure, and others have pointed to his inefficiency and argued his per game stats were empty), but I would argue that Jordan could have been an important player for a lower playoff team if injuries didn’t occur.
He wasn’t anything of note as a Wizard, but he had his moments.
His player personnel decisions in those years though were pretty poor if I’m remembering correctly.
One other good thing that comes out of his Wizard years:
He became a playable player in more early 2000’s NBA video games.
@@fortynights1513 I feel like you didn't even watch the video... He literally goes over this and Clayton's video and debunks them.
@@strmshadow8411 he sounds like a hater to me. Not even objectively fair.
He also had Kwame Brown on his team.
The fact that MJ still was an all star at 40 years old is insane, tho it could’ve been he was an all star cuz of his name
He’d be an all star right now just on his name.
An all star at 40 years old AND taking three years off of playing pro basketball after his second retirement. That's a disadvantage of both age and fitness!
Tbh there was less stars back then. In 2023 there was 6 guys averaging over 30ppg
I always figured it was because it was his last year and fans wanted to see him in the all star game one last time. But the stats in this video showed he definitely played at an all-star level.
He really wasn’t that good. He was still washed.
Folks fail to mention that when he was avg. 22 a game there were only 6 players avg. 25 plus a game in the league compared to 20 plus today
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@TheJuggernaut-qt9cs Erroneously? All I'm doing is asking a question. Maybe you can answer it for me? Jordan was the only major addition to the team yet they became a top rebounding and defensive team despite him being old and playing through injuries. If the "coaches changed scheme" was so impactful how come the Wizards didn't make the playoffs when Jordan got injured? They were nearly a playoff team without him but they couldn't make it.
I love watching Jordan Wizards clips. The way he scored at will using Basketball IQ and footwork is beautiful to watch.
💯🔥🏀💪 facts Jordan was still cooking cats
@@t99155 cooking cats, at 38, smoking cigars, and dropping 50 with no 3s
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Jordan's wizards years only proved that even as an old man he was still head and shoulders above just about everyone in the league. If not for that injury who knows what happens
They get swept by Kobe n Shaq prolly.... East was wide open that year... Woulda been great for the finals ratings in 2002
Head and shoulders above just about everyone? Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I know ppl still love Jordan but this worshipping is getting a bit too much.
@@masterchief5833Winning a championship is a hot take.
Jonny your legit a dope human being keep being you !!
@@dayostical He was top 20
Thing is - if he had wanted to win at all costs, he could have gone anywhere. He wanted to be a part owner and make a bad team great... so its a failure only if you consider trying a game you excelled at again on hard mode, while approaching 40 and then falling short while still doing some great things.
It's more to it than that. He thought he was going to get his ownership position back when he retired. If he had known they weren't going to let him back as an owner he PROBABLY would have went to play with Kobe. And that would have been amazing.
But he didn’t make a bad team even ok, so how is that not failure?
@@kirkmaxwellofficial he did tho? he was keeping the wizards in the top 4 in the east before he got injuerd, and he was one of the frontrunners for the mvp race in that 02 season before the injury
@@Someone-hi1nt I’m confused do we decide things in the NBA based on actual results or pre injury results? Because if that’s the case then Lebron should get credit for the 2015 championship then right? DRose is the greatest player of all time right? CP3 has 4 rings right? Oh wait that’s not how anything has ever worked unless you’re talking about MJ
@@kirkmaxwellofficial watch the goddamn video.
Love how Jonny plugs Clayton's channel before making his argument..... Another example of why this is one of my favorite 🏀 channels #ClassAct
Wizards era Jordan is fun to chat about because it both shows how amazing a player he was and foreshadows what a horrific executive he would be (With how weak the East was, 40 year Jordan was probably a Pau Gasol or Elton Brand away from a conference finals contender).
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Kobe confirmed he wanted to and almost went to go play with Mike in Washington-could you imagine that?
Washed Jordan was still like a top 15 player in the nba at the wizards. He sometimes did show glimpses of his former dominance, but his knees were just gone.
Idk I don’t think washed Jordan was better than Kobe, Shaq, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Tracey McGrady, Allen Iverson, Dirk, Jermain O’Neal, Gary Payton, Chris Webber, Karl Malone, Steve Nash, or Alonzo Mourning imo
@@machoboys8884 then why was he top 4 in mvp voting averaging 26 7 and 6 in a slow paced league before he injured his knee while leading the wizards to being top 4 in the east doing that and then having them drop off out of the playoffs after his injury
-- Jordan was Top 20-25 at age 39/40 but if he's within a bucket in the closing seconds, I'm taking MJ over 99% over those Top 20.
The only one stopping MJ is...Father Time.
@@Someone-hi1nt im sorry I didn’t know performing one third of the a season well makes you a top 15 player. His team played in a weak east. Their record as the 4 seed at the time was 26-20. Unless leading your team to 26-21 is super impressive I stand by what I said. He’s but top 20. He was only putting up those stats playing weak east teams and because no one else on his team was that good.
@@machoboys8884 I mean 15-17 is not that far off, but I would still take Jordan over malone at that time, they both were like hella old lol.
I love Clayton and his content, he's perhaps my favorite basketball CZcamsr, and I'm glad you gave him a shout-out despite you both being on different sides of a debate like this. You guys should collaborate on a video sometime, it would be something really special.
I would love that, but it all depends on how he takes this. He might say “fair game”, but he also might not like me after this one. Don’t know, but I do love his stuff, and I certainly like his CZcams voice WAY more than mine 😂
@@jonnyarnett a video on Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team)
i personally like the wizard years since we see a vintage mj in the sunset of his career and also proving that he can still play in the top level. also love the content man keep up!
@@yallTweakin you are right …sorry for my bad English
@@captaingamer7640 np, deleted my original reply.
@@captaingamer7640 i sometimes forget english is rarely the standard 😂
Have a great day!
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643 I agree bro
Never call out Jonny, it’s always a bad idea. Great video as always 💪🏼🏀
I called him out
@@RetroNBA42nobody knows u lil boy
@@RetroNBA42 shut up nobody
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Trolling can make you funny but not correct.
if adding context to show a full image of a situation is seen as glazing then sports debates are headed for a bad place. great video as always
Headed? Were already there. GenZ is a f*cking headache across ALL matters and platforms
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
A lot of fans really think they know everything about the eras they watched simply because they watched it and it’s sad. This analysis shows someone that’s watched AND knows how to apply context which is why even times I disagree with Jonny’s takes, my respect for him never wavers. You really cooked with this video man
I’m glad someone has finally said this. Wizards MJ was criminally underrated. People act like he was just a washed up dude playing for fun and collecting a check. This man was getting buckets, post game was silky smooth, defense was still decent.
Watching MJ wizards play till 2002 confirms that Mike would still dominate the era. He was old and had been retired for a while and lost a lot of athleticism but you could still see how efficient he was with his moves and how he could create a shot at will in 2-3 dribbles. Post game was silky smooth. So glad you did this video
I love these types of videos because it shows that jordan was still a great player during that time especially because of his age
You and Uncut Hoops provide CONTEXT in your videos, very appreciated.
Johnny and Clayton are so good with that they do I kind of expected the two to either collab or collide.
what really stings is that clayton's work is usually near irreprehensible. but that one was lazy and misinformed.
thanks for setting the record straight with facts and context!
He doesn't like MJ
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t He doesnt glaze MJ*
Yea it severely lazy
The 1st year MJ came back he was in the MVP conversation before he got hurt..he was a top 8 ish player at worst, before he got hurt..which is nuts when you look at the roster, MJ getting hurt that Summer in pick up etc. But eh..he is the best player I've seen and its not close..I've yet to see a player even move like MJ moves, forget the accomplishments
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643 many variables. I don't think MJ alone changed that. Maybe focus, they had a lot of size also on that roster. Slower pace also helped
Thank you, Jonny! Don't worry, we support you in this. I believe you constantly give one of the best, if not the best analyses of the NBA, both it's past and present. Your channel is a treasure trove of in depth insight.
I fucking love how brutal this diss was. "I'm going to call out this channel and show you exactly why his take is so stupid. But you should totally still sub to him, though." 😂 You have the diss skills of a long time politician
You guys are my two favorite NBA channels for historical content. Love to see you guys debate on a subject of disagreement.
Ooh...Jonny took it personally.
Thank you so much for all your content. These last 2 videos are GOLD and keep pushing up the content!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for making this video Johnny, I've seen other videos saying that his wizard years were under-rated or overlooked, but to know the context in which they happened makes me appreciate MJ that much more. As usual, the man was crazy as hell 😂
That first year in 2001-02 was underrated. Lets not forget that the Wizards were a 19 win team and they got Jordan when he missed the last 3 full seasons. And by the all star break they were in real contention to make the playoffs before he and Rip Hamilton got hurt. He was playing at a high level until the All-Star break. But sadly after that knee injury, that kind of stopped the last gasp of burst MJ had.
2:05 didn't LeBron have a worse record than Jordan in the 2021-22 season and he had the likes of Russell Westbrook and Anthony Davis on his team? Jordan took a 19-win Wizards and made them improve by 18 wins with no real addition to the roster other than him. And had he and Hamilton not got hurt, they probably would have made the playoffs and would have been a tough out for anyone in the Eastern Conference.
The MJ's underrated Wizard years video does a good job putting the situation into context. I don't always agree with your takes, but with that one, I think you got it spot on. It's one of the best basketball videos on the internet, and there's no reason to apologize for it.
The real problems were the broken ribs prior to 01 season and the tendinitis. The torn meniscus was just the topping. And when you add all those up and remind the minutes per game that he played, that actually makes him the Greatest in basketball. A genius!
Johnny: shoutout Clayton, I love his channel
proceeds to cook his ass the whole video 🤣😂
Eyy love the extra context and details of those seasons I wasn’t old enough to remember them so this puts it in to perspective for me great video and I like that you directed your video straight at him and mentioned his name no subliminals no hiding I love it man keep doing your thing.
What is truly impressive is that Mj managed to be competitive at 38 AFTER 3 years of complete inactivity. At that age is crazy difficult to regain good shape in a sport such as basketball (even if you're young it's going to be difficult).
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
Jonny, you are the very best. And there is a lot of great content out there. But you do due diligence in your research, especially contextualizing everything, to put out amazing and accurate content. Superb video!!
You bring the statistics, context and obsessive understanding of the game to all of your videos. This dude poked the wrong bear. You don't have to be mean to make someone look like a fool. Excellent video, man. Some may not realize how brutally you tore down the other guy's video but I think most will. Great, great work.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
This is why I watch your videos Jonny. Great information great video
You, Clayton and Andy hoops kill it with the basketball knowledge and content
It's not just the fact he was 38 joining a lottery team. It's that he didn't play for 3 years, while smoking cigars and eating terribly, and then CAME back. "Objects in motion stay in motion." It's Newton's first law. If you're around 40 you know how hard it is to get back into the gym, to be moderately active after going idle. Imagine getting back to battling in the NBA after doing nothing but lounging around? The fact he could do that is more impressive to me than anything involving a continuous streak!
Excellent video, your original jordan wizards video is one of my favorites all time!
He was in his 40’s, had retired for years not just once, but twice. And he was STILL an all-star, averaging 20+ ppg, & played all 82 games of his last season having played the most physical era in NBA history.
You have no idea how much I was hoping You would make a response! My two favorite basketball channels. Who I feel give the most unbiased opinion the, Most indepth analysis on basketball! Its doesnt matter what the Era is! I am hype for this one!
I do like Clayton’s videos, but I have to say, sometimes it feels like he pushes weird narratives just for the sake of being a contrarian. I was pretty shocked when I saw his video about Jordan’s wizards years, especially because I was watching the NBA during that time and I knew for a fact that Jordan was playing really well. Great video, Jonny! You are without a doubt one of the best and most objective basketball CZcamsrs out there!
good work bro im almost 40 i was a sophomore in high school i watched those years closely , you pointed valid points that are never spoke about
Thanks for the video, am glad u gave full context.
I simply won't argue with someone who not only probably wasn't even born when Jordan was playing with the Wizards, but someone who didn't even do their due diligence in making their video. Everyone was hyped to see Jordan playing again, and how far he could take the Wizards. When his injury happened, everyone was cringing at how he kept playing with that injury. It was great while it lasted, and people knew how important Jordan was on that team, because when he finally called it quits that season, the Wizards were horrible.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643, leadership, making your teammates accountable. If you're injured, all you can do is be present on the bench, in the huddles and in practices.
The GOAT of basketball CZcams. Cheers Jonny.
This was a dope watch. Love the perspective. Just subbed.
I love your content man thanks for making this. So very well done.
Never been here this early😊
Thx for the great content!
So you're not even going to mention his poor efficiency and low fg percentage? Not even how he wrecked kwames confidence?
There are certain criticisms that are legitimate. Nobody is claiming that MJ is perfect. Trading Hamilton for Stackhouse was just AWFUL. You could blame Wes Unseld for that (who was the fill-in GM for MJ), but I gotta believe MJ had a LOT to do with that poor decision. MJ was not the right leader for Kwame, plain and simple. Kwame needed a leader who was gonna build up his confidence and establish his sense of purpose. MJ can never be that... he's a drill sergeant, basically. It was a horrible pairing from the start.
Yes and you have to remember he was also an executive for this organization. It is NEVER a good idea to imitate what he did. How would you feel if your boss ended up having to do your job in an inefficient fashion and still berate you. There is a reason the organization decided to fire him even as a shareholder. He should have never played again.
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Jonny, you’re quickly becoming one of my favorite vloggers. Keep it up!!
Great video. Great presentation of the facts, in-depth elaboration of context, and clear, concise commentary… free of hyperbole and bias. Excellent
Wow, i didn't recall that MJ was doing that great before tearing his maniscus. Dude was killing it
And MJ was an MVP candidate before the injury.
Dude. You are killing it w- the details in stats. Love the work you put in and respect
The og video you did of his wizards years is a classic, i was like this guy knows his stuff context is very important
12:24 Not just 38yo joining lottery team. But 38 yo retired for few seasons. It's not the same when some 38yp play continuously and someone comming from retirement. Completely different things.
I watched every game available during those seasons, hell... I bought a TiVo specifically to record as many available games.
Before the injury he was legit an MVP candidate.
One thing worth noting that you didn't mention, was MJ originally came off the bench and played limited minutes when he first came back. He wasn't gonna be a starter nor get many minutes. But that changed as injuries kept piling up and they needed the leadership on the floor. Another HUGE fact worth noting was MJ essentially played preseason the first two dozen games or so. He had the off season cut short due to Artest breaking his ribs, that alone would've shut down most player's entire season.
But MJ rushed his recovery, he wasn't 100% recovered from his injuries and yet he decided to come back. He was out of shape, over weight, and playing what would've been most player's 'OFF SEASON' workout to get back in shape. That didn't just contribute to his slow start but worse of all, contributed for the wear and tear on his body which led to further injuries because he wasn't ready to come back to play. He was starting to play better just when he was getting in shape, getting his wind and legs back but it was too late by then, he was putting pressure on his unrecovered body which led to the injury.
That injury carried over to his next Wizards season along with other injuries, he was never the same again. Worth noting that these weren't simple injuries either. It wasn't just a sharp pain, these were injuries that literally affected his shooting, his mobility, his lift, his breathing, even his ability to walk normally. HE HAD TO GET BLACK OOZE DRAINED FROM HIS KNEES AFTER EVERY GAME!!! That is not an exaggeration that is literally what happened. His knees were almost double their size from the swelling after games. His practices were limited to therapy almost every day.
These injuries would force star players in their prime to sit out entire seasons today, even with modern medicine and therapy. Yet he played with broken fingers, busted knees, bad back, etc.
That's not an excuse, just some perspective for those that continually want to diminish what he did and how he did it, while making excuses for other players.
I talked to Magette and Q Rich during a Clippers family event before MJ came back with the Wiz and I asked them about MJ coming back (this was before his injury). They looked at each other and shook their heads and smiled, Q Rich simply said "MJ is MJ" and shook his head. Other players have collaborated that MJ would've been dropping 30+ if he didn't get injured int he off season. We've seen glimpses of that from time to time as a Wiz.
Every so often there's a "What if" scenario about players and their careers had they not been injured, yet people always forget MJ as a Wiz. What if Artest never broke MJ's ribs and he came back as a Wiz healthy and in shape?
The way MJ and Rip played healthy together in limited time and the fact they were on pace for #1 defense, i don't think any of the East teams would have been able to handle them unless Jordan ran out of steam in 7 games series, but the east was wide open and only got worse from that year on. BUT, even if he made it to the Finals, he'd be 6-1 and people would then use that against him, losing in the Finals and getting beat by Kobe, ignoring context etc
Absolutely correct on all counts!! 💯! Well said! Kudos
Only people that saw it during that time can attest to MJ’s greatness even as a Wizard!
I was just in shock during that time that MJ was playing that great and having that type of huge impact on that team with all the circumstances behind his return and with his then current teammates! He was amazing!
Never seen anything like it before nor since! A 38 year old player coming off of a 3 year retirement while not being 100% healthy to begin with taking a lottery team to new heights while also schooling the next generation of younger superstars in the process was truly amazing! Like I said never seen anything like it before nor since.
Thank you for your post it’s always refreshing to see someone who has seen these things live and knows the context behind it!
This is the best video on this subject I have ever seen. I didn't even realize most of this.
Why do people keep trying to diminish great players like jesus christ they dont even try to accurately have good criticism of them…they literally just leave context out to make them look bad and hate and i dont know why they did that
didnt know jesus christ played basketball!
@@manticore8520 Jesus Christ was one hell of a baller, willing to sacrifice himself for the team too.
Also consider the average points per game back then was like 95... not 115 like it is today.
The wizards years are the SECOND time he walked onto a terrible roster, with no upgrades anywhere except him and raised their W/L records singlehandedly.
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I always say exactly what ur saying. Jordan went to teams that wasn't good the season b4 he arrived, meanwhile his teammate went to other teams that were already playoffs contenders so it's easy to cakewalk to the playoffs when they're already Contenders without him
MJ's second three peat he had the best roster in the league from 96-98. When he "retired" in 1994 his team won 55 games, Pippen was 3rd in MVP voting while BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant were all stars. In 1995, MJ Pippen and Rodman were all defensive 1st team. Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc are all currently in the HOF, Ron Harper was a starter on any other team, Steve Kerr retired as the NBA's best 3 point career percentage and season percentage.
John Paxson hit a finals winning 3 in 1993. Steve Kerr hit a finals winning 3 in 1997.
Please stop the myth that MJ had no help- when he had no help he couldnt even win a playoff series. When he did have help, it was in the form of the best roster in the league during his 2nd three-peat.
@phillyphan1346 the Bulls was a good team with a great player fella. Each player on the Bulls played their rolez very well including Jordan lil fella lol.
2ndly we're talking about when Jordan and Pippen 1st joined the teams , meaning Jordan rookie season and his 1st season in Washington and with Pippen when he joined the Rockets and the Blazers and clearly when Jordan became a Bulls they only won 27 games the season b4 Jordan arrived and in Washington they only won 19 games b4 Jordan arrived. When Pippen went to Houston and Portland they were already playoffs contenders b4 Pippen arrived.
U know if u actually READ instead of skimming through what someone wrote then you'd probably understand lil fella.
Nice try though fella lol
@phillyphan1346 Jordan were retired for almost two seasons so why didn't u address the 94-95 season when Pippen was imploding all season long and the Bulls was a 500 to sub 500 team barely in the playoffs hunt and Pippen begged Jordan to come back in 95? Paxson, Kerr and Kukoc were there when Pippen was the lead guy and the Bulls took two steps back when Jordan retired.
Nobody said Jordan didn't have help lil fella I think ur confusing that talking points with lebron because u BronSexuals always make the claims that lebron had to take a bunch of bums to the Finals lol.
Nice try though fella lol
Your consistent use of statistics is impressive keep it up man
I discovered you with the previous video on the subject, subscribed ever since.
Thank you for this. I see so many bad takes about these seasons, especially from people who are my age and younger. They just look at the final stats and the team's final record, with no context.
The fact that Clayton didnt include Kobe in his goat series shows his biased hate towards Kobe and MJ
kobe isn't in the conversation lmfao
@@bedsheets1867 5 rings, 2 FMVP, 7 finals appearances in the thoughest era to score in ever, low pace no spacing and zone defense, top scorer and defender, using only surface level stats shows the hate towards Kobe cuz people who actually know the game know he is top 5 no question
One of the best NBA CZcamsrs! Very well argued. Thanks Jonny!
Jonny coming with facts and receipts not emotions. Love to see it.
I was in school at the time, and we were all following mj in his return. We saw every single broadcasted game. He was insane before the injury, we though the wizards had a chance at a deep playoff run, and thats with a mid squad. My fav was Jahidi White (We called him Budget Shaq)
You fuckin brought it for this video. Great insight
Context matters. Its why i love your channel. So few people provide context and use numbers to make their arguments
Awesome video and great clarification of your previous stance on MJ's Washington years.
The 500 win rate comment is painfully ignorant and honestly sounds like he flat out lied. Like you said, the Wizards were better than that, but they were also 6 games below when they shut Jordan down…. So where does his 500 comment even come from??
Appreciate your work man. You always help my arguments about MJ being the GOAT. Thank you for this video because my LeBron loving brother always brings up this talking point lol.
He can keep bringing it up because LeBron at that age is still better than Jordan was. If u make the comparison Jordan looks absolutely trash
@@sportstalkonly1442how?
@@thespacecowboy4124 tf u mean how.
@@sportstalkonly1442 exactly what I mean. How does lebron at that age make Jordan look bad? It's a simple question
@@thespacecowboy4124 bruh are u slow or something mf?
Dang man. Nobody couldn't have broke it down any better than u did. I used to think Jordan Wizards days weren't that good until I actually saw ur Underrated video. Great breakdown man
Im so glad you brought up the 15-1 winning streak, watching those games was so exciting
During his wizards years, he was injured for example lower back and the drain fluid in the knee stuff every game. Gotta give credit to mj with those injuries he still managed to play and with 82 games in one of those seasons. He was in the mvp candidate talks and was putting stats that is similar in the modern era minimum stats with 20+ppg and to add up most of his teammates are literally newbies. We all know old mj avg like 30+ppg his entire career in the bulls.
How does a injured 38 year old 6'6 shooting guard turn one of the worst defending and rebounding teams in the league into a top 3 rebounding and defending team in the league with himself being the only addition to the team. Did he have Rodman in practice teaching the other players?
@@JohnSmith32643 everybody knows mj is capable of all those shit even at old age or being injured. Mj can be a coach a trainer and a player and even can be an owner. Nothing is impossible with him around. His prescence alone is impactful to other teams.
Michael Jordan was never a failure in Wizards. The Wizards was never a great team, but Jordan in his 1st comeback season 2000-2001 he did play great until that knee hit he took that ruined his comeback. Also, Jordan even at 40 was still tougher then many star players out there now who cry evrery time someone touches them or fake being hurt or cry they want to be traded because they feel they deserve more.
Anyway, Jordan still looked GOOOD in those Wizard colors and jerseys, that is for sure true - ANd I'm a long-time Bulls fan who wanted him back, but still respected his choise.
Didn’t know missing the playoffs wasn’t a failure. I guess Jordan was taking steps to success
@@machoboys8884 Jordan as a player did fine results. Just that the team did not catch the same spirit.
Another great video. Thanks bro!
I just subscribed to buddy’s channel Monday , I’ve been subscribed to you for a couple years Johnny , buddy is wild for that
As an avid Jordan hater that was very much an adult during those Wizards years, the fact that he had me frustrated and worried that the Wizards were going to make a deep playoff run before his MCL tear is all you need to know about how badass he was those seasons - especially the first season he was there.
I was actually relieved to hear he was shutting it down and that's when I realized I was a true Jordan hater, I was happy for an injury.
It is impressive with the context. It’s obvious it’s not as impressive as his time as a Bull but it’s impressive given all the points you made. Thanks for sharing!
Clayton and Jonny releasing callout videos has real mommy and daddy are fighting vibes 😭
Jonny, this vid is an example of why you're probably the best basketball content provider I've found. It's objective, intelligent, and reasonable, which shouldn't stand out so much, but most people and content providers don't do a great job in those areas. Clayton's good, but you really thoroughly dismantled his argument. We all have opinions, but the more we put our biases aside and just focus on the discernible evidence, the more accurate our takes will be. GREAT JOB!
Taking into account the lower-body injury and his stats prior to it is responsible analysis. Also, he'd injured his finger as well. Add that to his age and the overall strength of the team without him (not good)...he did very well. Too bad it hurt his overall PPG for his career, but he played solid, all factors considered.
If MJ doesn't get hurt, and the gm trades Brown for Elton Brand like MJ wanted, they would have legit been a contender in the eastern conference
I remember being young and asking my uncle to beat the lakers in live 03 on the hardest mode with the wizards. He beat them and me and my siblings were cheering like it was the best thing ever.
This is why context is needed before criticizing someone.
Jonny murked this man 😭