The Asus B650E-I gives me hope for the future of ITX motherboards...
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- It's just so darn speedy...
Otherwise the Asus B650E-I is a breath of fresh air, and it nails the key features for an ITX motherboard. One quick note on something I forgot to mention during the review- the board doesn't have a DisplayPort output but the 3.2 Gen 2 USB-C port supports DisplayPort over USB-C.
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0:00 Intro
1:38 This Layout Rocks!
5:30 Build Quality and IO
8:18 The VRM isn't really "jacked"
9:36 Performance
10:42 Summary - Věda a technologie
There is a Display Port alt-mode in one of the usb-c ports. One of only a handful of am5 itx boards to implement that
Cool!
Thanks for covering these AM5 boards. Would love to see a summary video on each at some point. Also hope to see the A620 itx coverage soon!
Those prices are from another planet. Also, I really like the back plates on Gigabyte boards
Love this video, as it shows many shots and angles of the motherboard itself.
I find it incredibly easy to listen to you, keep it up
appreciate your work M&M!
Thank you, I did find this helpful and the music kept me engaged.
Glad i went with this good to see it has positive feedback
Such a clutch channel. For the prices I haven't been overly impressed with AM5 ITX but Im itching to upgrade to a 7800x3d and your reviews have been great!
Same here. Want the 7800X3D, but the mobo choices.
I bought this mobo for my 7800X3D build, along with a 4060 LP and a tiny custom 4.4L ITX case from Gemcases. Can’t wait to build it.
If you don't mind me asking how did your build go? I'm looking into also build a mini itx AM5 pc and I'd love to hear what you experience was with it. @@little_fluffy_clouds
@@NeoVester it went great, and I have since built another tiny PC using a SGPC K39 case. I prefer that one because it’s white and has a carrying handle. Sizewise, they are the same.
Fantastic review! Very informative, great photography, no fluff.
I've been looking at ITX boards for an upcoming AM5 build, and I agree that the Asus X670E is a weird sell: spending more money to have worse cooler compatibility, no rear m.2, and having to deal with a weird dongle just to get audio?
This is a a great review, thank you!
Just found this channel and damn i love your content. Quality stuff, i'm betting this channel will grow and grow if you keep delivering solid content like this. I have this board, as it was one of the few available when i did ny nr200p max build spring last year. Been very happy with it. Bought this one because of PCIE 5.0 as i hope to have this board for 8 years time (gonna drop the last gen amd r7 in there when the time comes).
Great vid! I just used this board with the 7800X3D & a 4080 FE in the NR200P Max this week, was worried about compatibility & boot but had no issues other than LAN drivers.
What issues with the drivers were you facing? Planning on buying this Board
@@RedcubeX24 Depending on when your particular board was manufactured, you may need to have the most updated LAN drivers from ASUS’ board support page on the USB drive you have the most recent BIOS update on as well. Just a precaution because when I got to the windows Home Screen I couldn’t access internet via WiFi/Ethernet.
@@unite9504 thanks for the heads Up!
No issue on Aio cooler on nr200p with this board?
I'm amazed by your intros. That stylish
Thanks for pointing out that this board has a external temp sensor connector, this then makes this board my only choice for a itx build as it will allow me to control pump and radiator fan speed based off the actual coolant temp in my loop.
Just watched the X670E-I video, this B650E-I definitely seems to be the right move for my FormD T1 build.
i just love the way he explain things, rly nice
Awesome work! Interested to hear the round-up with the upcoming Gigabyte A620I.
Own this Asus B650E-I for a half-year. It is a pretty good MB but with one major con - chipset (~60C) radiator underneath M2_1 slot is heating it up so I got 63-65C on my WD SN770 drive in idle !!! I have a custom watercooling loop in SFF case so everything else stays cool. Also, I do not want to put an additional fan blowing on nvme - that will ruin the aesthetics of a build. Now my headache is to find nvme waterblock that fits my case :))
BTW: T-sensor was the major selling point for me. Also Optical audio output. Unfortunately, B650E-I was the only choice on the B650 chipset.
UPD: I hear a coil-whine a little from MB in idle but while gaming RX 6800XT produces a much louder coil-whine.
Love your Bianchi Shirt! :)
Another good review, well-done. The MediaTek WiiFi module is a standard NGFF M.2 so it can be easily removed and replaced with a different module. I replaced mine with an Intel AX210 before I did anything else with the motherboard. The price on this motherboard is, like most AM5 boards, a bit insane and smells like greed to me, but it is what it is. I am happy with mine so far. Just be sure to update the BIOS to 1616 or newer to keep the SOC voltage under control when using EXPO settings.
Did you have any rattling or whining from the board on idle? There's been a lot of issued with that.
@@SerxRox No coil wine at all with mine. Coil wine can be a byproduct of component selection as well. An X-class Zen4 with higher TDP may be more likely to reveal coil wine, perhaps, than a non-X Zen4 like my 7700. Just grasping there, no factual basis behind that thought beyond higher TDP processors pulling more voltage, current, and wattage than lower TDP processors, and thereby stressing the VRM more. Coil wine does not in itself mean a problem, but it can be annoying and concerning.
Please tell me what to do to replace this wifi card. What screws and where is it located
ITX and mATX are honestly the authentic consumer boards that most people _should_ be using but aren't using. Cause most people aren't using the second or third PCIe slots on ATX or E-ATX boards. And most of those people are also only using 2 RAM slots or all 4 but with smaller sticks, that the owner would have benefitted from 2 bigger sticks; it's less stress on the memory controller.
I agree and also technology is SUPPOSED to get smaller, why are PCs the same size today as the ones I grew up with in the 90s? They were smaller in the 80s! We no longer need optical drives, floppy drives, hell even 3.5" HDDs! All that space saved but cases and boards are the same size as 25 years ago!
Haha, very true. In fact most Mid towers today are bigger than the cases I grew up with. 🤔
ITX and mATX boards may be the authentic consumer boards that some people may prefer, but I do not think that most people should use them. Most people presumably avoid those types of boards and prefer ATX boards for reasons that you did not mention.
1. It's easier for most people to build a PC using an ATX board and a large case than to build one with an ITX or mATX board and a small case.
2. Many people want to have two or more m.2 slots for SSDs.
3. Cooling efficiency is often better with an ATX board and a large case because they enable you to use a large air-cooler that you can't use with an ITX board and a small case and because a large has a room for a greater amount of air to be taken from outside.
4. ATX boards generally have higher specs than mATX and ITX boards.
5. Boards manufacturers offer a greater variety of ATX boards to choose from.
I think that people who use ATX boards do so for any or all of these and other good reasons just like those who use an ITX or mATX board have a different set of good reasons to do so.
@@osardegozar2581
1. Its easier to build with mATX inside a large case than an ATX in a large case. Because more room.
2. Most of the mATX and ITX boards have two or three m.2 slots.
3. 140mm CPU coolers and 140mm case fans fit just fine in small cases, such as the Lian Li 011 Mini Air.
4. You're gonna have to define what you mean by higher specs, because they literally have the same exact chipset. As I already stated in my initional comment, more GPU slots isn't higher specs. More RAM slots isn't higher specs. More USB ports isnt higher specs.
5. Yeah, there unfortunately is a greater variety of ATX boards.
Are the points you listed *reasons* that people *should* use ATX? No, I don't think so, and feel I nullified your points.
If a person has practical reason for a second or third PCIe x16 slot. Like using a video capture card because they already live stream and want to lighten the GPU load. You can stick an PCIe x4 item in the x16 slot like an m.2.
Consumer and entry level animation, software development, gaming, or video editing is _NOT_ gonna need anything over the 64gb of RAM that two slots will give you. And if a person is already at or beyond the consumer/entry level, _which is what my initinial comment addresses,_ then sure. Gladly get yourself an E-ATX board.
@@andrewvirtue5048 1. It's unlikely that people opting for an mATX case is also going to use a large case. In most cases, in fact, those people prefer a small case. Your assertion is true but is not relevant to most of use cases in practice.
2. Many of them may have two but not three.
3. I don't think a 140 mm CPU cooler counts as a large CPU cooler. I meant something much taller, like NH-D15.
4. By higher specs, I had primarily in mind the number of VRM phases and the number of PCB layers.
My point is not a categorial assertion that people should use ATX boards. It all depends on their need and preferences. You can't simply say either that people should use mATX/ITX boards or that they should use ATX boards without considering their particular needs and preferences. It is enough that people have certain reasonable grounds for using the board they chose.
You seem to construe "consumer" rather narrowly. According to your construal of "consumer," it may be reasonable to say there are certain circumstances where consumers or entry-level PC builders should pay more attention to mATX/ITX boards than they do now but not that such people should generally use them.
Nice overview. Thanks for keeping the relevent points for builders clear.
Thinking about upgardes how would you stack these ITX mobos for a future Ryzen x7000 with DDR5-8000, or whatever the high spec of the cpu is?
For any concerned about there only being one usb 2.0 header the board includes a splitter which allows for 2 connections
There is a DisplayPort for integrated graphics. It even shows the symbol. It's one of the USB-C ports.
Yes, DisplayPort over USB-C is supported.
looking for this reviews for am5 itx boards.. well they are expensive here in our region.. but nice review..
love the vid ...Is there BT on this board? seems to be conflicting info on line. website says coming soon at time when it was published. thanks
From what I've read a majority of the boards with coil-whine were from the 11/22 production, though I've seen a few people say their 02/23 production boards have it as well. I think this board is way better than the ASUS 670E-I board just because it doesn't rely on that desktop hive thing. Personally, I'm going to splurge and squeeze the mATX ASUS Gene board into the upcoming M1EVO case.
Okay let us know how the build goes
been seeing 08/23 without the coil whine, i'll make one as well in the near future probably with the Asus, will take a look at the production date to be sure and see if it's related
I wonder if you can trust the I225 nic and mediatek wifi/BT module or if this board is another AM5 trap? Aware of a rev2 of this board?
Thanks for covering this, could you add a specific test to the board look, will it fit coolers like the Scythe Big Shuriken 3? The larger VRM heatsinks appear to be creating compatibility issues would be great find what boards fit which low profile coolers.
Thank you for a great overview on this board. Just bought it for my first ITX build.
What I am wondering though is if the second M.2 slot on the bottom (the gen4 one) is actually cooled or not. I would actually like to put my gen 4 SSD in there and keep the top M.2 slot reserved so I can use then when/if I want to put another gen 5 SSD in there in the future.
On the spec sheet it says the bottom M.2 slot is cooled, but not quite sure. If so, I would need to get a seperate M.2 cooler.
Snagged mine for $298 off Newegg a few weeks ago. Very happy with it so far using a 7800X3D and Alpenfohn Black Ridge.
no coil whine ? how long your boot time ? Thanks
@@Saimeigaming Only a tiny amount of coil whine at idle but not distracting. Less than 15 seconds from a cold boot using EXPO II so no issues there.
Hi, really good video, what graphics card would you suggest pairing with this?
Will you also be doing reviews of the B760i and Z790i motherboards? I would love to get your take on those
Somebody who knows his stuff. Thx man.
Great video,got this board a few days ago in a nr200p max build and very happy with it. Only pain was the m.2 insall om the top, you need to use a rubber screw in the middle to prevent sagging. I think for such a fancy board its not clearly explained in the manual for m.2 noobs like me.
Hahaha m.2 sag I’ve heard everything now
@@jaxonhall9873 i guess bending would be a better word, the m.2 are stacked on this board. When installing a full sized one in the top slot you have to use the included rubber pin in the middle as support. If you dont, the thickness of thermal pad in the middle will "push out" and bend the drive as there is nothing to support it. For such an expensive board the instructions in the manual are worse than a 20$ Ikea cubby.
ITX MB makers need to stop including 12V RGB connectors. 12V RGB is dead, and that connector is taking up valuable real estate better used for something else like another fan header. It’s like still including PS2 or VGA ports, just stop it. It’s fine for MATX or ATX, but not for ITX.
agree..
I agree that’s also how I feel about Sata connectors. Since M.2 has been a thing I can’t remember the last time I used a Sata drive. Give us 2 Sata & 3 M.2 as standard.
@@YoloVib3sabsolutely wrong , sata connectors take up way less space than m.2 and the majority uses it.
I would gladly give up the cluster of SATA ports for even a single slim sas connecter. The last board to have one was the impact viii (z170).
@@najeebshah. speak for yourself! Most people I know have switched to exclusively using M.2! Which by the way can be stacked so … yeah! Also take a breather my boi it was an opinion bro
I bought this MB on yesterday before watched your video, so happy my choose seems good, would you recommend best CPU fan on this MB? My RAM is Corsair Vengeance 5200, my case is Geeek G1 SE2 Thanks!
The optical audio out is great. There's not many itx am5 that support it.
im interested in this board and asrock 650e pg itx board but the prices for asrock board keeps going up on german amazon for some reason
I just bought this board and its on my way to me. Before i build it may i ask if there are any downside if i install only 1 nvme on the gen 4 slot behind and leave the gen 5 slot empty? Since my nvme is only gen 4. Guessing its easier maybe in 2-3 years time buying a gen 5 ssd when its cheaper and i can slot it in the faster slot. My gen 4 ssd has a heat sink so no worries about temp.
that's my board(bought a 2nd hand one with 270 GB pounds, almost like new), got a 7900x in it with a thermalright pa 120 se cooler and 3090, all in the fractal ridge itx case(yes, that's right)😁
Thank you! Recently got this board and I the onboard wifi/bluetooth from Mediatek has been awful. Do you think you can do a tutorial on how to switch that wifi m.2 module out for a better wifi card in the market? Any wifi cards for recommendation and also if Wifi 7 is compatible with Am 5 boards?
Hopefully this one will support future generation GPUs (unlike the Asus B550i that wont support 4000 series cards properly and Asus wont fix).
True, no youtuber have mentioned this incompatibility issue between Asus B550-i and Nvidia 4xxx yet.
Its sad that Asus is doing nothing about it when it seems to be only a bios issue.
@@micheldevillers069my understanding is it’s hardware problem, I guess that’s why the discontinued it..
Thank you. Compared to Gigabyte B650I Aorus Ultra? Which do you recommend for 7800 /rtx 4090
is it possible to connect a fan to the aio pump connector on this board and control its speed? does it only spin at 100%?
so youre gonna review b650e-i asrock next ?
Wait it says line out and has an amplifier built in ? Can you choose between line out and amplified ?
Purchased this last May and the only issue I had was the plastics used on it. The nvme latch was not aligned correctly and one of my Ram latch broke easily for some reason. Other than that, the board runs fine. Was able to run 2033 infinity w/ Buildzoid's ram timings.
was going to say that the materials used looks cheap in comparison with my old MSI B450I GAMING PLUS AC
Can this be used with a ID Cooling IS55 BLACK ,and some GsKIll z5 ddr5 ? I knoq rgw ripjaws can and Flare,but Asus websute is woefully absent of anything but fluff,do you know > Thanks alot for any help.
For the m.2 at the rear would you recommend using a heat sink?
I ended up getting this in December for my FormD T1 build, but for some reason I couldn't get a Samsung 990 Evo to work on it. I had to return it and use a 980 Evo which worked with no issues. I tested the 990 Evo with my old PC and it worked fine. Does anyone know why this is?
Does the stock AMD Wraith Prism coolers fit on this board?
Any coil whine issue?
Hi ive got a Noctua NH U12 A cooler on this mobo and it slightly covers the gen 5 nvme heat sink so im limited to using the stock mobo heat sink, will it be enough to cool most gen 5 nvme drives and secondly the Noctua completely covers my RAM, will that also be a cooling issue?
what are the dimensions of the fan vrm ?
Hello Machines & More
You mentioned you have HiFiMan headphones? Or maybe Sundar
Is the better than the x670e-i in terms of quality or is this enough for gaming?
FYI: Zotac’s 4090 Amp Airo backplate and the Strix B650E-I VRM heat sink collide tiny mobo/giant gpu 😅
How is this board running for you? Any issues?
Asus should allow the use of Flexkey as a ClearCMOS
I can almost hear Buildzoid talking "MASSIVE overkill for anything that you can put in this socket", "barely needs a heatsink", "just slap a fan over it"
My issues with the first gen AM5 platform are 1. It seems like Zen4 memory controllers haven't been figured out properly yet so the DDR5 clocks can't go up very high 2. board price...
Yes… EXPO can be hit or miss at those higher clocks unfortunately. Board prices are definitely an issue this cycle.
So is it better than MSI Edge B650-I?
I plan to pair it with Ryzen 7 8700G (no dedicated GPU), and I need to use two monitors. Main one is LG DualUp with USB built in. I plan to connect it to the board via usb-c to have display output and data (keyboard, mouse, camers hooked to monitor's USB) over a single cable. Second monitor would connect via HDMI. Will this configutarion work? Anybody connected two screens to this board while using iGPU only?
So does this board ditch that awful usb hub that was required on the other boards for bios flashback and Q codes? If I'm being honset that's why I decided to skip this gen,(also dodged a bullet with the bios issues) I like asus boards they alwasy have the features I want for the most part except for the first few AM5 boards they did.
The hub is only on the Asus X670E-I and the Z790-I. No add on cards or risers either. That is a big reason why I think this board is more worthwhile than the X670E-I.
Man, that little fan on the VRM section is a big NO for me, I have a x570-i motherboard and the damn thing have two of that noisy fans 😢
F
The coil whine on mine was louder then the fans in the case. Had to return it and pick a different brand
which one did you pick?
my ssd seem to not be touching with top heatsink..
So we can basically fan swap that little VRM fan? Noctua offers fans in those sizes.
You could, just be aware the header isn’t a standard 4 pin.
@@MachinesMore Isn't it just PWM? The manual is showing GND, +12V, SENSE, PWM on the pins.
Do you climb? :) your forearms are huge!
Temperture probe sensor is beside on cmos reset?
Just above.
@@MachinesMore Thanks perfect for 7800x3d
I purchased 5 of the Asus B650E-I in total across Amazon and Newegg. Every single board had loud, unbearable coil whine emitting from the back of the CPU socket. Looking at reviews and Reddit posts, this seems to be an extremely common issue for boards with manufacture date "11-22". Did you experience any coil whine? I personally can't recommend this board unless you want to play the lottery on sound.
Just set mine up yesterday and have not experienced any coil whine from the board or its components.
Little buzzing for me from around VRM area, after yesterdays build. Not hearable unless you are really close, I still don’t know if I should RMA it. 😢
lmao I saw your amazon review
I have a 7700X on this board and when it is idling on Windows, this motherboard makes a very annoying coil whine.
I spent tons of money on Noctua fans, EK AIO, and Corsair Platinum PSU for the most silent m-ITX system possible just to have the experience destroyed by this piece of sh(*%.
And yes, It comes from the motherboard, close to the AM5 socket. I tested without my RTX3090 and other components.
Besides that, there was the Asus BIOS fiasco that I couldn't update my BIOS for a long time without voiding my warranty.
Avoid it if you can.
Same issue with coil whine.
I have 7600X, 6800Xt and SF750 Platinum. Everything in custom waterloop and very silent in idle... except MB :)
Still has a chipset fan though and there are countless examples of these fans failing? I keep my motherboard for 7 years minimum as I pass my old system to my family. There should be no need to actively cool a B650 motherboard.
i ordered this 2 weeks ago for 7950x
R u sure it supports 48gb x2 sticks of ram?
I thought then max supported is 64
BIOS Version 1616 update notes say:
2. Support 48/24GB high-density DDR5 memory module.
From what I can tell that means you can have a 48GB DIMM in each slot- although I don't have a kit to test that.
@MachinesMore or you can use them but the max will still be 64. Anyways would be nice to test that in the future
@@HowDareYouu do you have throttling when full cpu usage on long period like rendering or 1 hour benchmark test
@@ywsyildiz not really, using a 240 aio
hopefully this one wont burn out am5 chips, and the price must be insane
Any of these boards will burnout the chips if they don't have the proper bios update to not overvolt.
I got this Asus board simply because the MSI and Gigabyte ITX AM5 options are way more expensive than this in my area.
That's usually the other way around
You mention that there's no DisplayPort, but one of those USB-C ports is DP Alt mode compatible.
It says so, but i tried it and could not for the life of me figure out how to make it work. Looked in BIOS as well but could not find any option to turn on or off.
I’ve been reading this too, but i dont see any ”DP in” port.. Is the portforwarding happening inside the board itself then? Been trying to get this confirmed all over the internet.
@@Rallemulle1987 the usb c port in question is marked on the output with a displayport symbol, it is also clearly stated in the user manual. This is the same way my earlier lenovo Legion gaming laptop had it where it worked first try with a usbc-DP adapter. However, on the asus rog strix i could not make it work with the adapter I have.
To get 5.1 on this motherboard, you have to connect one of the channels to the front audio header. Terrible... Seems to be case for most boards
Most if not all Amd AM5 boards are using mediatek Wifi rebranded as Amd wifi, i dont see an issue.
You’re right, the rebranded ones are basically a joint venture.
so it doesnt give me less fps or perform lesser than Asus ROG STRIX X670E-I GAMING WIFI
I think the B650E is the way to go especially given the price.
yes the dollar per fps probably isint that great but im just curious is there any reason to even X670E-I in that department. Its newer gen but arent the the specs pretty much the same both suport am5 and so worth @@MachinesMore
By now we shouldn't have to spend tons extra and get a bigger board just for the sake of a clear CMOS button on the back.
I keep seeing people talk about the clear CMOS function of these MBs...I've never once had to clear my CMOS in my builds - is this an issue with builds people frequently experience?
They need to swap the chips with the X670E variant
Oh no, not the vrm tiny fan....F
This mobo was a bitch to me regarding audio. That alc 4080 chip nis so crap! I was using it with a toslink cable.
Curious- what were you connecting to?
@@MachinesMore Kef LSX. I have read multiple posts about ALC4080 and digital audio issues. Thanks for reply
Imagine having a paywall for PCIe 5.0. Good job, AMD...
Just had to return mine because of a faulty aio pump header. 12v pin wasn't soldered to the board from the factory. Asus quality has gone to shit the last few years.
Where is rgb
Motherboard I/O rule: if you have an USB-C with DisplayPort alternate mode you need to add a DisplayPort input to route the main GPU to it.
Externally with a cable? From what I heard you can set it up to output the display signal from the dGPU ;)
So you mean not to use the dp on the gpu but instead the usbc on the board? Due to bandwidth? How about high end cards of late, 7900xtx has a dp 2.1. Isnt that "better" than the usbc if bandwidth is the concern?
So disappointed This ITX MB is even without DisplayPort. not gaming user, usually just use on board DP connect to big monitor. not like hdmi too.
the usb c has DP alt mode. that means use a usb c/DP adapter and it should work. I tried it thou and could not make it work..
bro didn't talk about the alt mode usb-c displayport functionality. Slippin lol
Hope is expensive these days...
Unacceptable 40 second boot times from 2 decades ago , at least when hub tested the b650 boards , onlu gigabyte had sub 30 second cold boots
The safe boot doesn’t bloody work. Of course it doesn’t cuz it’s AMD.
Nice board, but 320+ worth? 🤢
Asus tax
Mine doesn't work. Countless BSOD and memory issues. Avoid this crap
manufacturing batch?
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