Separate Battle Ratings for Ground/Air Modes ARE FINALLY HERE! Roadmap News [War Thunder]
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- We FINALLY have different BRs for aircraft in air battles and ground battles. It may only be top tier for now, but it's a HUGE improvement.
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Babe wake up, you have to redo all your vehicle setups again.
Did you say Ussr not OP anymore? Dont wake me up til then
Yeppp 😩
Lineup*
No i don't, my lineups are Full ground
@@pedrocesarsakihara1853 I notice you use word "lineup" also my friend
damn, they really did lowered the br of every su and then raised the be of 9.x br fighters so su players can have fun
not the 25
Never clicked faster
Yea literally
Me too
Man this sucks, what we needed was for them to lower the overtiered ground attackers on air RB and they not only changed top tier vehicles they also focus almost all the changes on ground RB, whats wrong with gaijin?
Yoo, fr
It makes sense if Ground RB is the most popular game mode, which I have a suspicion it is.
@@u3210 Its confirmed, gaijin said it in the past, their objective was to make combined arms ground rb the main game and the rest of modes just an add on, thats why they invest so much on ground battles and why it has so many players.
It also moves crazy money, the TURMS made them around one and a half million dollars just in pre orders, its insane.
RIP the A4E Early.
Meh, it's still not bad at 10.3.
@@harryshuman9637 Meh, would just take the Harrier at 9.7 instead.
@@chocolat-kun8689 Harrier doesn't have AGM-62s
Great news
Good riddance I say
Gaijin has this incredible talent for f***ing literally everything up. This is what the game needed and they took what should've been decompression and did a full 180. Attackers moving DOWN in air is wild while stuff like the flareless Q-5L goes to 10.7 in GRB but pushed DOWN in air so it fights even more subsonics. (It has 2 GBUs and no thermal pod). This is actually funny. Holy Gaijin are bricked.
It wouldnt be Gaijin if every "improvement" would not come with a monkey paw that somehow fucks shit up. One of the many reasons i only play some low BRs that i enjoy and dont spend any money on the game.
simple fix. Remove all air to ground guided ammunitions from ground RB ann all will be happy
Totally agree I would be happy if the q5l had what it had IN REAL LIFE (pl7s flares) but no and the one thing it is good at is now gone.
@@kittyrusher242 It didn't have either of those. I thought it did as well but a friend of mine has an actual manual for it and it does not include AAMs or CMs of any kind.
that's what happen when you have balanace dev with 0 experience in playing or just the typical 0 skill noobs who probably got clubbed by said vehicles. Same with AMX, now it's going to fight top SPAAs and 100% useless.
Clueless noobs think it's good then I'm just gonna switch to spike-spamming heli.
They haven't moved Su-25 at all, except for Su-25SM3.
TBH thats the one i fear the most and that by a long shot, even my Ito90 can't first strike it, they just send u a KH38 while being more than 2km out of range.
Meh, a10, A6 and Su25 need to go up on Air RB, Gaijin keeps selling op vehicles
That’s what I was most looking forward to in this. And they didn’t even do it.
Aircraft with all aspect air to air missiles should never face aircraft with no countermeasures imo.
both a10 and A6 went up in BR, Su-39/25T didn't for whatever reason....
(joking, we all know what the reason is)
the su-25 dooesnt need to go up in air
Gaijen adds su25 with 73 and thinks it perfectly balenced at 11.3 and adds an a10 with aim9l That can be flair and says not happening in going up
This explains the sudden quick change lowering VEAK 40 down to 7.7 and removing its proxy round, a month ago. It would have shredded all these cas bois.
Amazing that SAAB-105G is still at 8.3
Dude, the Q-5L cannot get enough L's.
Fucking 10.7 with no flares and 2 LGBs
it got moved down in air rb
@@BufferThunder Who gives a shit? The only reason to play it was to have 2 LGBs in GRB.
You really think anybody is going to want to play that thing when the Q-5A has flares at the same br?
i hate gaijin so much, they are putting the tech tree A10 at a br which doesnt have a SINGLE ground vehicle of its own. it fitted perfectly in the us 10.3 lineup and now its just all ruined. and the early su25s are still at 10.0.
Yh that pissed me off too
@@General_kenobi12 fde===e86''
🤡 gaijin thinking the A4E is the same BR as Su25 as there isn’t a single US ground vehicle (except XM8 which was bad event vehicle) at 9.7 so it’s basically been shadow uptiered to 10.0. Su25 can carry more AGMs, and they’re AGMs that are laser guided btw + all aspect missiles + insane countermeasures and damage model. Also noticing tech tree A10 is at a made up BR of 10.7, there isn’t a single US ground vehicle at 10.7 so basically it’s been shadow uptiered to 11.0 meaning it now can’t counter 10.0 Russia as if Russia needed any more buffs and America any more nerfs at these tiers this is also after every Russian plane has went down. Also still looking at certain helis MI24D with ATGMs rocket CCIP, LWR, RWR, IRCM, flares and chaff, automatic engine fire suppression etc oh cool what a good 10.0 heli *_no wait it’s still 8.7_* but again no Russian bias here
As a german main who always gets put against usa and ussr together 99% of the time, I'll take usa getting screwed wish it was the su25k but one outta 2 I'm ok with that.
man fuck this thing it will be bad at 9.7 i think 9.0 / 9.3 would be better but still facing this thing in 7.7 was pure pain
@@Tigerman7warfighter 💀USA has been sitting at 30% winrates for years check WT Data Project. Russia still sitting at 60%+ despite vast majority of players prefering BVM over T90M, also thats with USA averaging more kills per game than Russia yet somehow half the winrate. USA also sits around 2nd lowest winrates at 10.0-11.0. The way gaijin continues to nerf America and buff Russia is appalling, as a german main you really can't complain either you're winrates at top tier are also 60% plus
@@RADIOaktywnyythe issue is that the TV bombs have no counter below 9.7... only missile SPAA can counter a plane armed with those weapons... hence why it went to 9.7 to always have a possible counter.
I mean we could simply remove all air to ground guided munitions from the game and have a much better experience in general, then it could also stay at a lower BR
Walleyes are good, if it doesnt lock the ground plus you only have 2. If you use other munitions youre dead to aa. If theres a fighter youre also dead. Compare it to the su
We need the community to come together to call for air rb EC to return. We need new game modes for this game to prosper.
Air EC was amazing every veteran player wants it and gaijin knows it but they wont bring it back.
They want Air RB to be as close as their "eSport" as posible, just a quick and mindless death match becuase thats what makes money for them. If people die fast it means that they loose SL faster and there are more chances that they will buy premium of SL directly.
@@StrayGuard trust me, you can still lose a shit load of SL in sim EC in a very short time span. They just need to adjust the spawn cost for the game mode.
@@PvtPartzz I know thats why i only fly premiums on sim but still gaijin wont invest on EC or Sim unless they can make more money than on Air RB
While I’m glad the BR changes are going through, am going to hate the changes to the TRAM are going to ensure they’re within the Pantsir bracket…
What happend to the Shenyang F-5 vid? was in the middle of watching it when it dissapeared
Just out of curiosity, do you guys really believe the research bonuses are delayed again other than the reason they dont want to implement it and just keep postponing it till they cancel it?
Oh god my lineup are ruined 😭
A10 gets uptiered but su25 doesnt? What??
Did you really expect anything else than that ?
@@JeyKalda yes we do, we expect not to face a fckin pantsir as an A10a late
with this shit i expect my agm-88 HARM in game to fuck up pantsir
The Russian bias intensifies ☠️
There is no bias in ba sing se
just move all planes that have any kind of explosive or guns bigger than 7.62 be smth like 51.7 and itll be even better
What happened to the Shenyang F-5 video?
My original plan was to upload news today. I always try to release videos at 11:00 AM EST. Unfortunately, the news came out at pretty much exactly 11:00 EST. Because I only like to release one video per day (with rare exceptions), and because reviews take days of work whereas news videos can be done within an hour, I decided to pull the Shenyang video and release this one instead. Ultimately, I'd rather release the Shenyang video on a day without big news, as reviews take me WAY longer to do. That way, as it would be the only video I release that day, it would also jive with the CZcams algorithm much better.
if that makes any sense.
Plz do the shenyang f5 it was my fav plane until the be changes forgot about it.
This might kill air mode, because now attackers (like the wyvern) will likely go down in BR for "underperforming".
You might be right, but i would be surprised. They still do pretty well; At least some of them, like the wyvern do.
@@Westwoodshadowgaming if the wyvern goes down in BR, I will fly it almost exclusively to punish this awful playerbase until it goes back up.
😢
the Wyverns BR is based on air performance... so no it will not go down
@@firetruck988 what no honor does to a mf
imagine being 20k off of A4E early when this hits
I was 40k off of the Q5L
A4e is good with walleyes but the lock on ground bs. And its super slooww
Anytime gaijin implements something that isnt a battlepass or a 70 dollar premium i image its only because the ceo/board was forced into doing it. Like a todler kicking and screaming.
so no more uptiers?
Here's hoping the B29 won't be facing as many jets.
yes gajin is too lazy to put b29 at 6.7-7.0 and tu-4 at 7.3
Every plane that isn’t a jet should go to 3.7 in naval rb to make them have the slightest chance of survival
Great, im soon to unlock the amx and now you are telling me it can face pantsir and f16s? Nice job gaijin for destroying my 10.3 italian cas line up :)
tbf the amx was busted and should be at least 10.7
So how is the TRAM still 10.0 for air RB as slow and vulnerable as it is?
4 free kills in a down tier
What the should be doing is capping the BR in your line up. If my highest vehicle BR is 6.7 in my line up then that’s the highest BR match I should play, not continuously be put into 7.7 matches!!!!! UPTIERING SUX!
none of the planes i play regularly got changed. YAY!
Now we just need BR 1.0-15.0
So why is the tech tree A-10 at a higher ground BR than the rSo why is the tech tree A-10 at a higher ground BR than the premium one when it is literally worse and has less ordinance?
Last I checked it is better and has more ordinance. Which is why it would be higher.
@@Ghent_Halcyon ah yes the extra aim9l good ordinance getting flared by just one flare pop... oh wait we are talking about ground rb not air rb silly me
the a10a early has more ordinance which are tv guided bombs but then again its an A10 it will probably get killed before it even can find a target by the 2s6 Tunguska but now A10a late will get killed by the Pantsir yay
not to mentation the a10 early is premium
@@Ghent_Halcyon please tell us more then.
@@vollp I would surely like to, but I forgot to check again when I got on.
@@naroy3942 the a10 late gets mav ds which are miles better. It should be moving up the only issue is there os no 10.7 ground to compliment it. But, its better for one plane to be bad than op
Finally, 10.3 german cas!
True the Tornado will BE usefull for once
Yeah, that's the one good thing I see in this as a german high teir main. All the space bombers are going up, and german is actually getting cas for once at top teir.
Finally! I have a use for my ty90 when facing germany!
I for some reason though that the tornado with GPU's gonna go down in BR but im wrong its only the prem and event one, so the Techtree Tornado will still be useless because of the Pansir in GRB
Rip all the guys who bring f16s to force their br up in US tech tree to hopefully eliminate premium noobs from their teams.
what br will the su25k be
Sadly 10.0
the amx at 11.0...the one fun aircraft of italy ruined
Still waiting for the F18
All I see is all my CAS planes being up-BRed out of my lineup :(
And that sparks joy in me as a 99.9% Ground player :D
@@alucard7895132indeed brother
GOOD!!!!
considering that the most lineup ruining thing would be the A4Es I feel ZERO sympathy for you.
Essentially all those who saw an incease of more than 0.3 had literally no counter play when top tier or at times ever.
Britain’s got zero CAS jets** now at 10.3, along with no decent fighters to get air superiority. The sea harrier doesn’t count, that thing is a joke of a plane.
What happened to the other video you posted?
I removed it because reviews take me a much longer time to make than news, and often times do worse in terms in views. Because I only release one video per day (unless there are multiple news events), I decided to release the Shenyang F-5 review at another time. It just takes me too much time to have the algorithm crush it in terms of views.
@@Tankenstein ok I was watching because I got the plane during the Chinese new year event and was curious to see how it plays since I have really touched it much yet.
A7K is still gonna be unplayable. They achieved nothing for the poor A7K
Wow, next to none of the aircraft that actually needed to go down in air actually went down in air if they're a minor nation. Shocking, major nation players getting treated better, again.
They actually sent our shit that needed to go down up in ground, that's so cool.
Do u not realize they just gutted the british at 10.3. Anything at 10.7 is now in limbo. But the su-25k still sits at 10. At this point their not going to have anything to match make against Russian tanks. Look at match making and tell me what needs to be changed.
Buccaneer S.2B and Jaguar GR1A at 10.7...
It’s ridiculous man. If I want to run any sort of air support that isn’t a helicopter, I have to take the risk of fighting BVMs, Leopard 2A5/7, Strv122s, etc. in a challenger 1.
Sounds about right.
They are destroying every nation that doesn't start with R
Its good to see that jets get rather raised in br for ground battles.
However, why not implement/test ground rb without any aircraft at all? Or are they too scared that almost nobody wants to play ground + air battles?
Most people that plays ground doesn't have air researched. It would take a long time to unlock those planes by playing Grb so they buy the plane to compiment the tanks
They're scared players will no longer be forced to grind air techtrees to stay competitive, meaning less profit by selling air premiums.
It would split the already not that big player base.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Yeah, the 2 min matchmaking wait time turns to 4 mins and Gaijing goes bankrupt instantly.
yes su17m2 a flair less aircraft at 11.0
So there is no russian bias? Wow western community evolves, thanks God!
And now all of our lineups are going to be destroyed
Oh well, not a big price for better balancing
well, it's not like you need aircraft in your ground line ups anyway ;)
especially the tech tree a10, there isnt a single american 10.7 vehicle
Good fuck CAS
I think my 10.3 UK lineup that I put a lot of work into is dead now, all my CAS planes are 10.7 now, there is no 10.7 lineup for UK
i'm so glad the A-4E got brough up from 8.7 to 9.7
yeah, basically same BR as SU-25... makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Well, it have TV weapons@@harryshuman9637
@@harryshuman9637yes. because the SU 25 needs to actuaklly enter SPAA range to kill stuff. the A4E had NO counter until 9.7. It could kill almost anyone it wanted while being immune to all SPAA and planes. Great design.
@@1996Horst wtf are u even talking about? no counter? immune to all spaa and planes? i really love my tv guided bombs that drop around 2.5km at best and those atgms that i have to manually guide leaving me vulnerable to literally anything
yes it does deserve to get up tiered but not to 9.7 not facing the fckin 2s6 Tunguska
@@naroy3942 ok... currently the A4E with TV bombs can kill any target on the ground from a max range of around 4.5km. max SPAA range for normal radar spaa is 4km
both of those are facts.
manual guidance atgms also have a range of more than 4km. at least those require some skill.
BRO the su25k and the su39 were not moved at all. This is so annoying. The su25 is at 10.0 with 6agm but my q5l is now at 10.7 with only 2 bombs and no flares or missiles even though it had them in real life.
Actually it didn’t have them irl but still
Good good
Ah yes gaijen destroy the a10 by of putting it at 10.7
All the f16s going down in br
thats for ground battles only
@@ANukeWithLegs yeah i know?
Yessss A4E getting moved up is GOATED. I hate playing 7.7-8.7 and getting uptiered to 8.7 and facing them every match.
A4e is useless air vs air. One turn can make it move like a grandma
Poor Ayit without setup at 10.0
Bro ikr? I was starting to grind air so I could have a 9.3 lineup in Israel ground rb.
Now I have to uptier my 9.3 merkavas to 10.0 just to use good air
@@jasonjobst I bought merkava 2D, and was using premium time to grind Ayit, and now it’s useless
And even A4-E (M) does not have a setup at 9.7 if you don’t have a 2D
@@Delirek7 I also bought the MK2D and used it to get the gal batash, Merk 2B, and machbet, leaving only the jets for me to get. It's so stupid. The merks need a downtier, but instead the aircraft meant for them are getting uptiered, meaning the merks have to be further uptiered to compensate or just use worse aircraft :/
@@jasonjobst Ayo, if you haven’t seen Ayit is gonna be 9,7 now, and A4-E(M) with GBU8 and 2x walleyes gonna be 9,3
Can care less I dont play planes. Most are cancer to ground battles anyway.
But you should care because now the OP ones are getting screwed making playing ground more enjoyable 😊
There goes israeli air at 9.3
Now you gotta uptier your merkavas to 10.0 just to use a single good aircraft!
womp womp, play ground battles on the ground
@cdills3454 Yeah I wish that were the case. Sadly it's better to use air in ground than use ground in ground. Why would I limit myself?
@@jasonjobst ethics and morality? common sense?
9.7 would have been fine. 10.0 is overkill
@cdills3454 common sense would lead me to use CAS bozo. Also why are you trying to bring ethics and morality about using a plane against tanks into a game about war? That makes zero sense
Yea…ofc the Bucc 2B is going to 10.7 in ground to ruin the 10.3 lineup…
a4 are sad planes to start of .. at 8.7... .where are now.. if they put them on the 9.7.. i guess may get some MAVERICS.. .. to balance that.. or else is faill..
to push up higher.. airplanes especially the us that have .. in that range F-105 A7.. and the F111.. the A4s has no use on 9.7 cause there is no american line up there.. sad gaijin idea again
amx at 11.0 they on some shit
They should just let vehicles at a b.r play against the same b.r. all I get is uptiers and pay to win premium vehicles kicking my arse. So.stupid.
A4E early at 9.7 is crazy
Ikr
BR is a flawed concept in and of itself. It doesn't matter what setup you have, you'll get uptiered 9/10 times. They need to make it so there is only a 0.3 or 0.7 difference imo, 1.0 is just to big of a jump (at least in lower tiers) And they need to set all the modern stuff in their own BR entirely, there is no reason a tiger should be facing modern tanks with all their advanced tech.
Pantsir should not be going up against Bucaneer, Jaguar, Super Etendard, A 10 and AMX.
Pantsir needs to go up. Russia doesn't need MORE help against those jets. Tunguska is more than sufficient.
agree, ive played both the ITO 90 and the tunguska and i literally like the tunguska more
A4 E are screwed.
You cant drop TV bombs less than 3km away meaning you are free food for enemy AA and Light tanks.
My already uptiered american 8.3 lineup is ruined.
Thanks Gaijin you did everything wrong as always.
HAHAHAHA nah screw you, you get what you deserved.
the A4E had no counter between the 7.7 and 9.3 matches it could be in. Only starting at 9.7 counters appeared.
There is a reason why it was spammed like hell and back at that range.
TV bombs can be launched at more than 3km range btw... just from straight above, where radar can not even see you....
You can drop it 5km if the thing doesnt lock to the ground
ass changes bro Q5L TO 10.7????????? TF and A4s GOING TO 9.7????????? F5E 11.0? A10L 10.7?
Ayit from 9.3 to fucking 10.0???
Wtf gaijin, there ain't even a good proper load out at 10.0 for isreal. That's just fucking stupid
aphe rework?
Yes and APHE has need a rework for ages, hopefully this change reels in APHE because it's been way too overpowered for years now.
So close to first
I love all the people crying about the A4E going up.
serves you right for abusing an Aircrat which had ZERO counters below 9.7 for all this time.
And if you believe it had a counter then you just played it wrong. simple as that
Commie.
happy to know the same people that used bullpups against my WW2 heavies are now sobbing about "unfair gameplay"
booooom
E
11.7 frogfoot to 12.7 is crazyyy
but needed cause nothing at 10.7 could touch it if u got uptiered to 11.7.
@@alucard7895132 still at 11.7 nothing can touch it except the pantsir... russian bias..
@@Apex_warthunder sm3 with the kh38 has around Double the range than even the pantsir...so much for russian bias...the typical excuse for Bad Players..
@@alucard7895132 u need about to be at like 15km to get a good lock though, pantsir is 18, most nato spaa is 10. ur pretty fucking stupid
big nothingburger
I honestly don’t understand the point or see the benefit for this. As it is achieving nothing but breaking lineups for no apparent reason or benefit. Seems like another terrible idea with a worse implementation
The point? To make it so people couldn't play overpowered cas at their br in GRB. Good riddance I say, and time to go hunt those space bombers that are now going to lose that "space" invulnerability. So now you make the choice of air and have a chance of getting shot out or play ground in GRB.
@@Tigerman7warfighter But the issue with ground RB isn’t OP CAS. It’s just not. The issue is the lack of viable SPAA and a playerbase that wants to use the existing options available as more than fast firing tank destroyers. A better solution to this would have been to nerf SPAA penetration, but increase velocity. Even to made up numbers if it makes them more of a threat to planes. The only purpose of these BR changes is to break lines up and that’s it. Which yeah, I’m not a fan of and it’s bonkers how anyone else is.
@@mokaso explain how to use a non radar SPAA against the alphajet with a computer going near mach in a dive because ive been in that situation many times. CAS sucks and im glad theyre doing this to the parasites that farm free bomb kills
I want to save some money so f*** this s*** I'm out no way
air RB is the only game mode, who cares about tanks and ships, just a mode full of cheaters
too little too late
bye gaijin.
Bye
NO NOT MY ALPHA JET! MY GERMAN 8.7 IS GOOD PLEASE DON'T GAIJIN PLEASE DON'T
I am so damn happy ill never see an alphajet in my non-radar SPAAs again
Wtf is 12.7 for the su25? There is no 12.7. That said, it should be 15.7
Last straw for me. This is horrible.
Ima finish BP and uninstall.
Good bye game, without CAS being parts of rock paper scissors mechanics, this game is boring to me.
"woe is me i cannot use the most broken free kill mechanic i guess i shall quit :("
@@cdills3454 thing is, strela, 2s38, 2s6 and pantsir have no other counter at their BR except for GBUs.
The smart solution would have been to allow non-CAS aircraft to spawn for 100 or 150sp, so you can counter helis and drones...
This is better than adding Patriot systems to top tier.
At least the soviet SPAA should be moved up 1 BR for now. All aspect missile planes should not be at 10.7+, this includes su25.
@@exosin4394 or you could kill the SPAAs with a tank because you're playing GROUND battles?
This is the worst change of all time. So many ground lineups ruined because tank redditors can't stop being dumb
Not the worst but yes it's bad
they can't comprehend getting in an spaa and killing said jets so they go ahead and complain on reddit besides the 2s6 Tunguska cleans all these jets out of the sky easily
I think you meant to say you like playing PLANES in ground so now you cant get 2 free bomb kills per match. Good riddance!
Uhh russian win again with all su22... For me all planes with guided rockets and bombs should be on 11.0...
Cas try hards are PISSED.
Maybe one day they will also remove the bullshit pay to win crap bushes from the game. One can dream. Always nice to have a nice killstreak with 0 deaths going on and then you get killed by that one bozo completely covered in bushes sitting in his little rat spot for 5 minutes.
I disagree. With or without bush you can get killed because of 3rd person sniping.
The a4e is the only non premium jet that’s decent at cas under 11.0 for the US. I won’t be mad if the a4e goes no more than 10.0 in grb but they better increase the br for some of the helis bcuz I already suffer in my f4c against helis so imagine how slow the a4e is compared to the f4c 🥲
US has very high wr so it need nerf. Wait it doesnt
@@darugdawg2453 🥲(I’m a US main)
ive been bullpuped in my ww2 heavies many times. I have no sympathy.
@@cdills3454 well I will have no sympathy when you go against those helis
@Vince_070 my stance on helis is that they're one of the worst additions to war thunder and I'd love to see them nerfed. Or you know, maybe just having ground only battles
VERY NICE VERY NICE.