EP 143: The Battle Over the Word Woman with Sarah Holmes
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With Sasha on break this week, Stella plays host to fellow Irish woman, Sarah Holmes, an ordinary working mother turned unexpected activist. The story shared in this conversation is one that resonates with the widespread societal shift in interest toward sex and gender.
As the summer of 2020 unfolded, Sarah's life took an unexpected turn when a casual conversation brought to light a seemingly innocuous change in health literature - the disappearance of the word 'woman' from cervical screening materials. Little did Sarah know that this discovery would propel her into the heart of a battle against discrimination, forcing her to confront a societal transformation she never saw coming.
When health literature began replacing 'woman' with 'person with a cervix’, Sarah's investigative journey led her to a realization that went beyond the seemingly innocent linguistic alteration. The issue extended to broader concerns about women's rights, safety, and fairness in various facets of life.
Sarah shares about her awakening to the contradictions embedded in gender ideology. The discussion goes into the Gender Recognition Act, the implications it held for women. They also discuss Sarah’s evolving concerns about the notion of fluid gender identities and the legal implications of obtaining a female birth certificate for a self-identified woman, as well as the alarming impact on children - with gender clinics on the rise and young girls undergoing irreversible medical interventions based on rejecting societal stereotypes.
Sarah also shares about her experience of being denied entry to the National Women's Council of Ireland (NWC) Annual General Meeting, the aftermath, and the surprising revelations that followed. From courtroom battles to exposing inconsistencies, discover the truth behind the push for unquestioned acceptance. Unmasking lies and manipulation, Sarah exposes the creation of falsified documents, challenges biased interpretations, and sheds light on a broader struggle for women's rights in a climate of growing gender controversies.
Irish Woman who was Refused Entry to NWC’s Annual Meeting has Lost her Discrimination Case
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RTE’s Liveline Episode - Denied access to National Women's Council of Ireland AGM
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NWC Statement to RTE’s Liveline programme - Thursday 9th June 2022
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The Irish Times News Articles About the Use of the Word ‘Woman’
HSE Defends Removing References To ‘Women’ In Online Cervical Cancer Information
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What’s Wrong With The Word ‘Woman’?
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HSE: Who Should Have Cervical Screening
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Finally progress!!! Going after AAP and others. Campbell Miller Payne, PLLC DALLAS, TX is a law firm that is now singularly committed to seeking justice nationwide for those detransitioners and others who have suffered harm due to medical malpractice, fraud, and other healthcare-related wrongs in the USA
My young adult daughter came home from her job today shaking with shock because a fully grown man was in the women's public toilet when she went in there during her break. She was frightened to see a male in an environment where there should only be females, but she was unable through her fear to say anything, and no other woman in there said anything either. Female only spaces should be just that. No excuses. Women's privacy needs to be protected and enforced.
Thanks for having me on Stella x
Well done Sarah!! You spotted this early, what a mess. At least a growing push back is happening now.
Thank YOU for all you have done.
For your clarity, your time, your determination, your logic, for your persistence.
I work in a university in Ireland and this stuff is rife.
I am trying to box clever and ask questions clearly, respectfully, and at the right times. People are so, so afraid of even discussion. This alone should ring alarm bells for people but it seems to be all-pervasive. People I have known and respected for years are too scared to discuss women's rights and basic safety.
I am sick of the "be kind" mantra for women.
Tell me to "be kind" and do not assault transwomen using men's spaces.
Sorry rant over 😇 I really really wanted to thank you.
Thank god for these women who are standing up for the rest of us!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 👏🏻
We all need to take what we learn from them and spread it as fast as we can in our own communities, without fear or an ounce of hesitation.
However the idea that the word womanwas removed from cervical screening is bizarre and unacceptable
Only women have acervix
Even women’s rectoms and sphincter muscles are different in size, shape and muscle strength. Google it.@@user-jy8bt9uz7f
@@user-jy8bt9uz7f not every woman has a cervix.
I listened to this over on Spotify, but came here to send my earnest support for this woman and her work. I hope in years to come her bravery and sacrifice will be recognised
I started laughing at "Just need to tell other people and then it will be fixed" 😅 thank you for that and thank you for the interview! Enjoyed it. You are wonderful women!
I admire Sarah's amazing courage for standing up for women! It must've been super stressful without any legal assistance but she's such a brilliant detective and defended herself well. Kudos to her!
So great to hear your story, Sarah. Love your work.
This is an insane story and Sarah is an absolute HERO for enduring all this nonsense 👏👏👏👏💜🤍💚💜🤍💚💜🤍💚💜🤍💚
Well done for letting us know this case. Even though the case was lost - the word is getting out to the general public more and more. Thank you. 🇬🇧
Great podcast!
Such an important point she made…that men who are okay(or feel entitled) with going into the women’s spaces *even though * they know we aren’t comfortable with it….are showing that they are NOT SAFE MEN. Imo a man who isn’t willing to take up for his own cause without taking anything from women is not a man who respects women. He’s okay violating our boundaries, how far will he go? We don’t know and we shouldn’t have to calculate that in our private spaces.
Sarah is not the only one who noticed the contradiction of the gender industry.
A pediatrician in Australia, Dylan Wilson, made an interesting observation that many adults identify as gender fluid (activists always claim that there are hundreds of gender identities) but when a child claims to identify as the opposite sex, then their identity is an objective, unambiguous, irrevocable law that applies until the end of their life .
We need to repeal self id...always thought there should be grounds for this repeal as it came in without national awareness in 2015...now I know why no one in the law field bar the countess has the balls to stand with the women of ireland and our concerns!!😢
It’s horrible here too, in the US. Many of us didn’t know about the self ID law until we made a complaint about a man violating our spaces…only to find out we’d lost the right to our privacy without ever knowing
If people used the past understood word "transexual" rather than "transgender" it would not be so slippery and confusing. It would also be difficult to sell people on the idea of the exsistence of a "transexual or transvestite child"
Not as much as you think. Just "sex" and "gender" alone got mulled, and the understand of those having meanings and use as a polite referential synonym was lost long ago in history. Any recent attempts of recent to distinguish a sex/gender split was stamped out by what would appear to people as "both sides." That market traditional literal perfect synonym that was once used mostly in mockery and harassment was subverted as affirmation. And they still "both" continue to agree on that pretense.
Therefore, it wouldn't matter as those who understood are too niche or exiled by either. There's more terms with proper definitions which were "understood," but they too have been claimed, co-opted, and their abuses used to deem them inherent slurs -- again, both oppositional authorities agree with this.
Could also get into the issue with gynocentrism and not understanding that English is and was already vastly gender neutral; however, the lack of recognition of the former engenders the affirmation that it is now, and atop of that the many fraudulent feminist fantasies -- accepting shared terminology, or the trap of being baited into defending a false pretense as is so common which again affirms and is taken as admission.
I'd also disagree it'd be all that much more difficult, most aren't sold directly the idea but though some corrupted form of acceptance so just because you think it'd be more obvious for why you disagree doesn't mean that would serve as any form of difficulty. That's a good way to radicalize people, one way or another (very "hot seat"); however, it's not as core point as it would seem, nor as implied as predictable as you'd hope. (And I'm surprised I see you're comment, YT/G usually really hates that second to last word.)
Perhaps we should bring back the term trans sexual to differentiate between those who have had surgery and those who have not ? Who is in charge of the language rules ? Hmmmm
I have Canadian bilingual official documents that have my gender in one language and my sexe in the other. The understanding that gender and sex mean the same thing now is too deeply entrenched to split the two back apart.
@@jonnash5196many ppl have reclaimed it for themselves bc they don't believe in the ideology
A guy I know explained to me that if a certain word is used with a different meaning for long enough , that new meaning becomes a part of the language and will eventually show up as one of the definitions in the dictionary .
How ironic.
Womens Council: We don't want that person in our space because of a perceived risk to the people in this space judge.
Judge: What is this dispute all about.
Womens Council: That woman doesn't want men in womens spaces.
Judge: I find in favour of the Womens Council because you are discriminating against this women by excluding her from your space because she doesn't want men in her spaces.
Well done Sarah ! 👏 👏👏👏
Wow what a clusterfuck. So sorry she went through this:(
Thank you for such comprehensive show notes! That takes work & it's very helpful & considerate of viewers' time & interest when CZcamsrs do that!
Glad it was helpful!
Well done.
I get some people dont feel like the correct sex, but we're going to actually ignore science and biology? Has anyone watched the movie "idiocracy"? That's where we're headed!
This woman is a badass. This is terrifying.
What happened to basic biology courses and reproductive sex education. 45% of women don’t know what a cervix is?! Unbelievable?🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Right?!
Do we think this is a hang over from a past era when countries like Ireland were still very conservatively catholic or because modern "sex education" seems to spend less and less time on biology and more on queer/gender theory?
Apparently it's 44% in the UK and 47% of 8 European countries combined. I have to wonder if this lack of knowledge has a knock on effect on teenage mental health, vulnerability to abuse etc.
Please be mindful to not talk over/cut the guest off Stella. Really interesting episode - thank you ♡
Yes, there was repeated stifling and always at points of high interest. But, we all make this mistake, for sure.
Thanks for listening, to be fair I’d said to Stella to keep me on the straight and narrow or we would have been there for a week with me rambling 😄
I think Stella and Sarah had previously maybe had a plan of what to cover. Stella jumped in when Sarah went off on tangents (not that they weren’t interesting). My mum will start telling me something and then she has to fill me in on the background of someone in the story and then she forgets to get back to the main story 😆 Add being under the spotlight on a podcast and rambling can easily happen.
At the risk of sounding like a 2nd wave TERF (which I am), this stream blew my mind. WOW.
@bunnybunny3536 - even though I am not an essentialist feminist (in that I don't think every difference between the sexes is intrinsic/biological but is often societal/cultural), and I am not against trans people as long as they are adults, I think I might join you in reclaiming the pejorative TERF and being proud to be one!!!
Please share on your social media to raise awareness. I only get one or two likes, which disheartened me initially, but actually privately people have told me they listened to / read the posts and agree
I loved when Sarah talked about religion. It is what I have been thinking for the past few years. Telling me that sex is transmutable is a strange new religious belief, and I won't be converted.
It isn't just a battle over the word "woman" etc, they are now appropriating the word "female". Here in Scotland the Care Inspectorate's policy on transgender children recommends that for all documentation/paperwork that trans girls are documented as female and trans boys are documented as male.
Yeah, so now person with a cervix, trans-man, and even trans-male are acceptable terminology, while woman and female are verboten. It’s insane.
Oh it’s even crazier than that. Some wingnut ‘expert’ (a woman) spoke at an American Pediatric convention recently and suggested a variety of new terms to replace ones now considered by trans-activists to be transphobic, my favorite of which was replacing the word ‘vagina’ with ‘front hole.’ This IS insanity.
@@bunnybunny3536 You think “front hole” is bad? Try “bonus hole.” Wish I could tell you I’m being facetious, but that’s real, courtesy of a British non-profit group for cervical cancer awareness.
@@bunnybunny3536 this would be funny if it wasn't so serious. I don't know if you've ever watched the Aussie comedy Kath and Kim but there's an episode where Kath is walking around talking to herself and she uses the terms 'back bottom' and 'front bottom' to refer to her 'downstairs bits' (see what I did there - lol!!)
I can think of inclusive language they could have used, which would not be so idiotic:
1. Women and Trans Men.
2. Women and anyone else born female.
3. Women and anyone born with a uterus/womb who has not had a total hysterectomy.
I do not want to be nasty to females with gender dysphoria, whether they identify as trans men or not. But I am a woman, half the population is female, and we need to protect our own word: woman.
I'm standing with you, Sarah! I'm so proud of you, and you're doing great.❤ women need to stand up and support biological women's rights! We need to quit being "quiet and nice" because we were taught to act like that!
As much as I agree with these ladies, I am getting frustrated with the stumbling of words and the hesitation in the guest’s voice when she’s trying to justify and explain why she feels uncomfortable with men in women’s spaces. Rather than worrying about upsetting men, surely, the absolute threat on every level that men, any kind of MAN poses to a woman is enough! The terror that women feel in every cell of their body when they notice a man,seemingly following them home,at night or even in the daylight in a deserted place. Or the uncomfortable embarrassment of a man brushing up against in a restaurant or a man with an erection staring at us across the room of the bar or the train carriage. What about,also,all the women who are forced to work late with the dodgy weirdo bloke in the office?!? If anything happens to threaten a woman’s safety then she can’t even run into the ladies to make emergency calls. I know,myself,just how many times the public toilet has been my saviour from some unsavoury man’s intentions! Not to mention that if they take our female only spaces then they take our dignity and privacy aswell and there are numerous examples of this….(menstruating,underwear,sanitary products,sounds,blood….) Also breastfeeding. I am a mother of 6 boys and girls and female only spaces are a necessity for women. Shocking how men want to step all over our boundaries and erase our safeguarding….
I know I was stumbling but it’s very scary speaking up on this, the trans activists in Ireland are tracking women and call for us to be beaten up 😥
5:12 iv been to uni and I didn't know what a cervix was until I was pregnant
@towpottsfam7631 - wtf? How old are you because I'm wondering if this a generational thing?
@@honeychurchgipsy6 yeah lol I'm nearly 50 !
Cis folks needs to take our rights back and tackle this
Start with not using the term cis 👍
*biological! It's important to stop them from changing/defining language just to suit their Ideology and dictate what we are called.
@@queenjasminetemaiharoa7009 - yes, I'm not going to tolerate being called cis anymore, and I'm not going to tolerate AFAB and AMAB either. I used to be happy to go along with these language changes but now understand that the language is where it starts.
What, specifically, did it say in the emails, to which they objected? Were some personalised? And had there been previous violence? (I don't believe a word of this.) And why were all but 1 of the placards identical?
Frankenstein = Womb envy?
#BeingSaneInInsanePlaces
The injustice & bullying in all this reminds me of what I've heard said by others opposing trans ideology, "The process is the punishment." This was maddening. Let me get this straight... This woman chose to represent herself & not hire an attorney? Or would no attorney take her case? The relationship between the other party & the judge should have led to the judge recusing herself. Surely, the organization broke the law by saying they deleted emails under the right to disappear while still keeping them? Can't the state bring criminal charges against them? It seems like you could bring a civil case against them for that, too. Why wasn't the accuser(s) made to take the stand? Why wasn't the guy with whom she had coffee called as a witness? Why wasn't the threatening woman made to take the stand? When she lied, my first thought was, "They should put you on the stand so you could be charged with perjury for telling that lie." 😄 So much of this is a head game. You have to make them look like the unhinged & ridiculous ones by getting under their skin. "If I was hostile, and refused to leave for a full hour, why didn't you call the police to have me removed? Were they all busy policing speech that hurts someone's feelings?" (I know that last comment applies to Scotland, but it's too good to not use.)
The US CDC (PDF) guidelines for cervical and other reproductive cancers does not contain the word woman (or women) 😇
Horrific, let’s start a campaign 😄
That's terribly sad😢
Women in Ireland were not misdiagnosed in cervical screening they tests were mismanaged which is very different
The outcome was women died, over 200 them, because of the issues
Yes it is a matter of life and death which is precisely why we need to be accurate when speaking about it. HSE screening site refers to women and people with a cervix. Surely all people with a cervix are women.
What is happening to kids education.
I'm a bit obsessed about the similarities between Ireland and my country of NZ as we have similar population and cultural heritage. Ireland's old fashioned highly religious nature is VERY different to NZ, we very irreligious and pride ourselves on being progressive and enlightened about most things - eg first country where women won the vote, strong feminist role models everywhere for decades - which is why, unfortunately, we have 30 x - yes you read that right THIRTY TIMES - the amount of kids between 9-17 on puberty blockers! In Ireland there are between 10-20 in NZ it's approx 450. Presumably the difference is that, despite the woke virtue signalling, Irish medical organisations retain a lot of inherently conservative institutional power. NZ is very used to being on the cutting edge of social change, think of us like California.
We should set up a go fund me to raise money for legal fees.
Very kind but I had no fees, no solicitor would touch my case, they are all too scared to touch this topic 😔
I love the work that Sarah is doing. She is defending the word woman and she is standing up for women in Ireland in the face of so much adversity. But, there is something that I must say about her position on another issue that was brought up, abortion.
Sarah talked so passionately about protecting children. But at the same time, she also made it clear that she supports murdering children in the womb. Protecting children from puberty blockers is important. But it's also just as important to protect them from poison, dismemberment, and all other forms of murder within the womb. Especially when you consider the fact that the child can feel the pain of these barbaric procedures after 20 weeks.
Women are being outright dehumanized by the trans ideology when they're referred to as "people with a cervix". But at the same time, women who oppose that term will use the exact same dehumanization tactic to describe unborn children as a "clump of cells" in order to reserve their right to kill them. It's a very high level of hypocrisy to put it bluntly. Now in fairness, perhaps this is because mother's are being deceived by the abortion industry to believe that all their unborn babies are is "a clumps of cells" . I hope that one day, radical feminists will be serious about protecting ALL children.
I am a mother, and glad of it, but I don’t believe in slave-maternity/forced birth. Remember, there is a child in Ohio who faced that very thing recently when she was only TEN YEARS OLD. I am glad someone was brave enough to do that abortion for that poor raped girl.
I have never had a colleague who performed elective abortions after 20 weeks of gestation - I have only known of this being done when the pregnant woman was desperately sick, or when the fetus was dead, or, in one sad case, had no brain (anencephaly).
@@Tina06019 All of these are exceptionally rare reasons for abortion. Over 98% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control. Less than 0.2% of the remaining 2% are done as a result of rape or incest. As I like to say, the exception is not the rule.
Abortions after 20 weeks still happen all the time. It is even legal in most liberal areas. In fact in California, they legalized infanticide ( but it is California after all so go figure). But abortion before 20 weeks is still immoral. Either a human life is a human life or it's not. And I firmly believe in every child's right to live. That is the most fundamental human right of all, the right to live.
@@Anti_Woke1996 - where is your evidence that most abortions are used as birth control? Also, a foetus is not a child is it?
"A clump of cells" is, believe it or not, the accurate way to describe "a clump of cells". I know - mindblowing
@@lannabass8582 except, a baby is not a clump of cells.
My theory about why the word MAN has not been attacked is not a tacit support of men but in order to continue undermining men.
If it becomes too clear that anyone can opt in, then the exclusivity of Patriachy is broken, thus fixing the problem of Patriarchy for all time.
@presstodelete1165 - would you like to explain what you are getting at for me? I might be a bit dim but I'm not sure you've said what you think you've said.
Maybe you need to expand your argument?
You see my theory as to why the word MAN hasn't been attacked is that transmen are less aggressive/activist than transwomen - simples!!
Transwomen (being biological males) bring their natural born sense of superiority to their activism and women who are used to doing as they are told, are less aggressive and assertive, and genuinely wish to avoid being hurtful, just go along with it. Thus, the word woman is removed and attacked (as is female) and men get to continue their misogynistic behaviour.
I enjoyed this conversation. Sarah’s story drew me in.
One criticism though: It’s ironic that 99% of the story was set in a conflict with the women’s council, yet at the end, Sarah snuck in a new villain: “the patriarchy.”
The "trans rights" movement is a backlash against women's rights. It is literally the patriarchy in action. It is literally putting the desires of men with paraphilias ahead of the rights and safety of women and children. You can't get more patriarchy than that. Fighting gender woo-woo is all about fighting against the patriarchy (and that includes their handmaidens).
Why was Stella constantly cutting her off and rushing her? She seems so different in this episode. The guest was fascinating. I wish she wasn’t being so rushed.
Just watched the discussion with Kellie Jay Keen. I feel bas about all the hate Stella is getting. What she has built with Genspect is incredible and I believe WPATH will get dismantled. I think maybe the stress of all that is why things seemed a little off here. I hope she can get some rest and rejuvenation away from the internet. 💗💗💗
To be fair to Stella, the interviewee is very loquacious and the episode's an hour and twenty minutes, would've been longer if Stella hadn't pushed things forward. It was an interesting interview, but I admit I did want the story to move along more rapidly.
@@katiez688how did you think that Benjamin Boyce "Calmversation" went?
Kelly Jay has quite an abrasive personality, I think it's how you have to be to do what she does.
The spats on X between her and James Lindsay was like watching toddlers fight over a toy.
Both very courageous hard working people, definitely not "nice" though!
I had to google loquacious 😅
To be fair you’re right, I had a lot I was trying to get in. I was glad Stella was moving things along as I would be still sitting there talking now without the nudges 😄
A good interviewer has to keep the conversation focused and to the point, particularly if you’re working within a certain time framework (the amount of time you’ve designated for the stream to run)., I thought she did a great job, and I’m hoping she has Sarah back.
They like the idea of telling God he was wrong. "We who wrestle with God"... do you wrestle to lose? or win?
The word "WOMAN" has profoundly altered in meaning ...
So basic...
What word now and forward will succeed in retaining meaning?
Isn't Frankenstein about mans jealousy?
Women create and carry new life.
Don't you find it odd 5% of population bullying society?
Mental health education much more important
#PetsIntoMentalHealthServices 🥰 🥰 🥰 including robotic and digital pet's
Digital pets have been frightening elderly people with dementia in care homes and have resulted in them having what once was a positive experience with an animal and the worker who brought them in to the outsourcing of care to yet another a machine.
@@Gingerblaze Apparently little seal pups . Toys . With moving parts and being warm. Actually made a difference. Dementia you say?If you haven't seen it? . Watch documentary Sugar coated
I don't get why we are catering to such a small percentage of people. I want trans people to be safe, but I want women to be safe, too! So many women experienced physical and sexual violence from a male, including myself.
@@christinadodd5780 Am a mental health activist. Don't care. Bullies.
It's called "the tyranny of the minority".
Why can't we use the words 'women and transmen'? Adding biological females who identify as men but still require smear tests and other healthcare? This would be genuinely inclusive whereas simply removing the word woman is the opposite of this.
I think something like this would work if the people pushing all of this were actually looking for genuine inclusiveness and compromise. I do not believe that is the motive, it’s a radical ideology and a victory for them is everyone bending the knee no matter how absurd (people often use the getting people to agree 2+2=5 example) this is why we see so many contradictions in the ideology’s stated beliefs, because it’s about the ideological victory and not about actually solving the problems. This is also why we see so much silencing and attacking rather than ever debating on the merits of the issue, which would go towards actually fixing things. Thats my view and I hope it helps, I know it’s cynical. I want to say the people and groups I’m referring to are the radicals at the core of the movement who really push all of this, I think there are plenty of people on the periphery who get either a bit swept up or have lives and don’t look too deep into the issues and genuinely think they are helping. There are a lot of good intentioned people who just don’t really know what they are supporting. Long winded answer but I have asked myself the exact question you did because the fix seems so easy if we all real had the same goal of inclusivity.
interesting story. and it could have been covered in about 35 minutes. I know about the "gift of gab" and all, but how about some editing?
You still defend maps and chomos on your space .. and tout the trans kids belief