Falken Wildpeak 35s On A Stock Jeep Gladiator With No Lift, Why I Won't Run 37s, AEV Pintler Wheels
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- I installed 35" Falken Wildpeak M/Ts on my stock Jeep Gladiator Rubicon. I discuss why I won't run 37" tires on this Gladiator, mainly for performance reasons. I also talk about the AEV Pintler wheel that's designed for the JL/JT and why I chose it. After I have these tiers on for a few years I'll post a review.
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Glad to hear you give credit to the Falken MT’s. I’ve been incredibly impressed with them on my JT- excellent in every offroad situation I’ve used them in (no rocks here in the northeast). Shockingly good on snow and even ice- I was planning to swap them out for winter but they are as good as any 3 peak rated AT I’ve used. 16k miles and still quiet and wearing well, I’ll also be doing 35’s this year and plan to go with Falken MT’s again.
I didn't think to check the winter rating until you mentioned it. These have the M+S designation but not the 3 peak snowflake, which you pointed out. The BFG K02 has handled the best for me on snowy city roads, but the Goodyer Duratrac did better on snow-covered trails. A few years ago I was on the La Sal mountains near Moab, with less than a foot of snow. My 34" K02s had a hard time getting around at a quick pace and I often slid off the trail. Yeah they did the job, but the two Jeeps I was with that were on 37" mud terrains had no trouble at all. Last night I drove the 35" Wildpeak M/Ts on the snow for the first time. I had to be ginger with the throttle from a stop or I'd lose traction, where a narrower K02 wouldn't have slipped. I think part of that is also me getting used to driving a truck with a lighter rear end instead of a Jeep. In time I'll have a better feel for it.
That whole video and the only thing I took away from it was " Insert your rod into the rear hole " 😂😂😂
Awesome video man! Subbed!
Thank you!
Very good educational video, thank you.
Thanks for watching it!
35’s are perfect. I really think that is the sweet spot for the JL. Love the Wildpeaks, but I’m running the AT3’s.
So far they've been outstanding. Last month I explored forest roads in AZ with them for a week and they took me everywhere I wanted to go. This weekend I'm going to Frostbite at Kansas Rocks, which will be a mudfest.
I have a 2021 JTR 3.6L v6. I just went to 37x20s, Nitto Trail Grappler M/T, fuel wheels. I was running them with no lift & they had good clearance no rubbing etc. around town driving would be fine. However the mpg dropped from 15.8 33” tires to 13.3 MPG on 37s, 4.10 gears, at Altitude. I had a 3”-3.5 lift installed & geared to 5.13. Now my MPG is around 14.8 MPG in town with 37s & rising. The power feels like stock or better. I was thinking I might have to supercharge it but it’s good enough now without it. I wouldn’t go to 40s due to the cost of swapping Axels & more. It has a great stance now so 37s were a perfect compromise. I can still get into the vehicle without side steps which I will do eventually. If anyone swaps to 37s a re-gear is a must IMO.
How about your due range? How many miles average per tank?
Great video, thanks. I'd like to learn more about your experience with the Wildpeak performance in the snow vs your KO2s. Also grip in the rain. I also worry about MT's excelling when pushing hard in roots/mud (what I do 10% of the time) vs snowy and rainy roads (90% of the time).
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. We just had a few bouts of snow (like everyone else in the US). I have to be careful with my observations because this is my first truck and it handles differently than my Jeeps did. The MTs did grip but the back end felt light and was more likely to lose traction when turning in snow. My KO2s were also thinner and did a better job cutting through the snow on the road to grip. 35's are better at riding on top of it. A few years ago I was on a snowy mountain pass and my narrow KO2s were a hinderance. The snow was deep, so my Jeep would sink up to the frame rails. The guys with 35s and up could ride on top of the snow (and made me wish I had 35s). So it really comes down to where you need the tire to perform- on the street or trail. Last month I spent a week exploring forest roads in Arizona and the 35" MTs took me everywhere I wanted to go- but a guy on ATs did the same. This weekend I'm going to Frostbite at Kansas Rocks and it'll be a mudfest. That'll give me a better idea of how they do in the muck. My KO2s handled mud surprisingly well, but again, that's because they were narrow and could cut through the slippery stuff. I've had these for ~5k miles and they're already showing signs of uneven wear (time to rotate!). My KO2s looked new after 20k miles.
@@Berserkeroffroad Thanks for taking the time to provide info on your experience!
Hey I noticed you had a Konza sticker, im a member of the facebook group never done anything with the group yet, but it seems like an awesome group.
It's a respectable group that has its head on straight. I recommend getting more involved with it.
The new 8 speed trans on JL/JT makes 4.88 or 5.13 gears work well for highway cruising.
Absolutely
Thanks for the measurements, I have the JTR with a camper and was wondering if it would still fit in the garage with a 35…
would have been great to see an "after" profile view
Agreed. The guy that made this video is an idiot!
@@Berserkeroffroad LOL, no not an idiot, just saying as Im looking to upgrade from 33" and deciding on 35" stock or with a level. Looking forward to your next vid with more photos! :)
@@robbyb3184 I have a few pictures on my Instagram, and soon I'll have another video that shows the rig. Classic bait and switch. I like a slight rake so when the truck is loaded it's level instead of the front aiming at the sky.
Make damn sure to get the UPDATED Pintler wheel... the old version is prone to crack!
I’ve had to replace 3 so far!😖
AEV did replace and ship to me at no charge.👍🏼
But still a major pain in the ass!
What happened?
I thought talking by lantern light was a little weird until I heard you say “insert the rod into the rear hole” and then I was like ok, this guys alright
Great video! We are debating on Falken m/t's or the BFG KM3 for our jl rubicon. It also came factory with 33" Falken m/t's. They are still doing good with 33k on them. So far they have done great. Really impressive it just about every terrain. We have mostly had them in rocks. And recently took our first trip to moab with them. I think we will go with 35's amd maybe small lift later on. All the jeepers point us to 37's. But i think 35's are better all around. As far as power/fuel mileage and driveline reliability in my opinion.
Being in the drivetrain business specifically in off road. Whoever told you to gear that hi on your JK messed up...... a properly geared rig works wonders!
Just wanted the point it out. Great videos and keep it up!
You could be a narrator. I love the style you're using for your videos. Subscribed! Keep them coming!
Thanks, man! I find narrating with a VO vs. live allows me to be succinct with what I want to say instead of rambling. I'd rather share more video of my trips instead of making the viewer stare at my face.
Need more of your future comedian son on some of your videos..lmao my wife and I couldn’t stop laughing 😂 great videos and information I also own a JT .
Just subscribed to your channel last night. I have a very similar taste and understanding for basically not going overboard with the weight (your other video) and tire size as well. I just traded in my '09 JK 2 door that was a hefty boy with steel everything for a '22 Prius because life happened with work etc. I am planning on ordering a Gladiator from the factory in a few years as this work assignment winds down and I can finally retire. I too want aluminum bumpers, 35's, etc. Loving these wheels too BTW, they are also now on the list. What do you think about the Black Rhino brand? I have been seeing those a lot as well.
Lastly, I am patiently waiting to see how this Gen 3 EcoDiesel does over the years and see what people have to say about reliability. I have seen some other channels where the owners had to limp the whole way off a trail because of issues with them. I'm assuming you have the 3.6 Pentastar? I know that is reliable but it is a bit dated but as of a month ago I know Stellantis or however you spell it (new brand for Chrysler) announced new engines, Tornado and Hurricane, which they plan on putting in the Jeeps i'm not sure yet.
Love the channel BTW, great informative content.
Having to regear for 37s is why im selling my gladiator and going back to an f150 and getting out of the neurotic jeep game
35’s are great for a stock rubicon if you don’t want to do any suspension mods but I run 37x13.5 Ridge grapplers and get 17ish MPG on 5.13’s. The RPM’s aren’t significantly higher because… 37’s. So I’m operating in the intended efficiency range in each gear.
Commenting simply because the justifications for NOT going 37’s should not really be mapped to you running 4.88’s on 32’s. That’s obviously way overgeared.
Totally get the mentality to just get a diesel or 392 though. Especially in todays used car market.
Maybe I can get a direct easy answer for you. I’m getting an overland Tuesday. Gonna have 18 in wheels Stock. Wondering if I can add 35 tire to the stock rim. And if so, can I get a quiet ride? Won’t be going off road
This is EXACTLY what I want to do. Did you sell your old tires and wheels? How difficult was it to find a buyer, if you did? Great video!
Thanks! I installed them on my parent's 2 door JL sport. The Jeep is a little beast now!
Could you please post the Falken tire specs for your build? Thanks
Does Goodyear make a narrow (11.50) 35" Duratrac?
What is the width of that 35" wildpeak? Can you post the specs? Thanks!
What mpg are you getting with these ?
This dude could narrate National Geographic or history channel lol
Sorry if you mentioned it but I missed it but how wide are these tires?
Because I went with a Mojave Gladiator and I wanted 37s ,I knew I had to put 488 gears in and while I had it apart now's the time to put a front locker in. With a 2 inch lift it looks unstoppable.
Looks like you are somewhere in Kansas City? I’m from there as well and go to the rocks.
How have the new 35” tires affected MPGs?
I get 17.5 mpg on the highway with a pretty heavy load in my JTR running 37 KO2s with a 2” Mopar Lift and 4:88s.
I get in the mid 15's MPG on a JTR Automatic with 35's and 2.5" lift. Stock 4.10 gears.
@@jasunto I find it varies a lot based on my speed, wind conditions, and elevation changes. I try to keep it at 70mpg or a little less. I just drove from outside Seattle to Tucson and the average was 17.5 for the whole trip with a pretty good load of gear. I think the 4:88s helped for sure.
... are you planning a regear with the 35's or do you feel the 4.10's are adequate? I have a Sport S Max Tow with 33's ... running on the Hwy at 80 mph I'm still getting 18.5 mpg.
When I had 33" MTs with auto transmission I was averaging 18.5 mpg. Swapping to 35s dropped my mileage to 14.5 mpg. However, the power is still there. So I won't be regearing.
@@Berserkeroffroad Make sure your speedo is properly calibrated. You might be getting a better MPG and the computer is still calculating for a smaller tire. I ran 35in tires for a few weeks before going to 37s with a 2.5in level kit and I averaged 18-19mpg and was still hitting 8th gear just fine on the highway.
Max Tow has 4.10 gears with the beefed up wide D44 axles (Anyone building a Jeep should really look at the max tow) It's essentially a Rubicon without the lockers and electric sway bar disconnect, but it has a Limited slip diff in the rear where the Rubicon has open diffs with an elocker. You will be fine on 35s with the 4.10 gears. I wouldn't consider a regear until you go to 37 or higher. Even on 37s I'm still on the fence about gears, but I probably will because getting 8th gear back would be nice.
@@TheVikingSailor on 35s and 4.10s you averaged 19 combined? How are the 4.10s now with 37s?
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Please excuse my ignorance, but was the factory wheel not an option for the new 35's?
not really wide enough
Curious when you installed the spare did you go with the valve stem up or down
Outside up to protect the wheel face.
The biggest problem with that wheel is the weight. 36 pounds over the factory 23 pounds. I love the look of the factory wheel. It’s timeless, but I also love that particular AEV wheel as well but with that weight it won’t work for me. The wild peaks are very heavy compared to the KO2 C load ratings
No before or after???!!
What wheels are you using can you please give me the info ? I have a 21 gladiator diesel and I want to change it to 35s I don't like wheel that stick out too much.
AEV Pintler. This video explains them a little more. czcams.com/video/iJUSF_6yX-E/video.html
Regearing is the best solution other than a 392
The 8spd changes everything as far as gearing. Running 4.88 on 37s I've been getting 18.5 combined.
That's crazy! I've asked around for almost a year and most tell me 12-13 mpg with that combo. You must be gentle on the gas.
@@Berserkeroffroad I'm running 37in with a 4.5in lift and stock 4.10 gears and I average between 15mpg and 16mpg. If I had 4.88 I'm sure I would be around 18mpg as well. These new JL/JT variants are nothing like the JK. The axles are much beefier and 37in is the new 35 on these Jeeps. You will be on 37in tires soon. I wish I had listened to other JT owners when they told me don't waste money on 35s go to 37s. Just my opinion as I came from the JK as well, but you say in the video you will just trade in for a version built for bigger tires and none of them are designed for bigger tires. They are all geared and setup for the tires they come with. The only reason you can run bigger tires is because they over engineer these vehicles knowing people will throw bigger tires on them. If you sit down and do the math on the diesel vs the 3.6l and factor in things like $250 oil changes, An extra dollar a gallon for gas, dif fluid, etc it cost less to run the 3.6l and with proper gearing tq is not an issue. I test drove a diesel recently and I'll be honest if I was towing a trailer a lot then diesel would be a good choice, but it was sluggish otherwise and I honestly enjoyed driving my 3.6l more. It's your Jeep and your build, but if someone plans on actually wheeling these Gladiators you better get it off the ground as much as those axles can handle and at the moment you can go up to a 38in no problem. I've even seen guys running 40s with minor upgrades. It's really not about the engine like it was in the JK. The 8 speed is so good and if your gearing is setup right it's pretty awesome.
@@TheVikingSailor Just ordered a lift for my Mohave from Teraflex. Planned on 35's until the tech said "no way you should run 37"s. With the HD 44's, 4.10's and 8 speed trans there is no reason not to run 37's.....Then I see this video and think Ok maybe stick with 35's. But I then scroll down and see your comment and of course I'm back to 37's. I'm sure I will change my mind a 100 times along with many sleepless nights before the lift arrives.
6:50 “thats what she said”
-Michael Scott
Did your fuel economy change much with the 35s?
It went from 18 to 15.
@@Berserkeroffroad Did they reprogram the computer for 35s? I assume so?
@@photoapeal I did with the Tazer Mini.
Rehearing after adding larger diameter tires will not have you turning higher RPM than stock like it did on your other vehicle. Adding the larger diameter tires effectively lowers the engine RPM in a given gear while adding numerically higher gears will offset that.
On paper, yes. But you have to overcome the additional rotational mass and rolling resistance, which takes even more skinny pedal.
Were these the onyx or the matte black finish?
Matte. That makes rattle can touch-ups easier when I inevitably scratch them.
Bigger tire with bigger gear is fairly equal offset.
Did you add a steering stabilizer ?
No. It's still factory. I've had the tires for 15,000 miles and it handles like it's brand new.
I plan on towing my crawler on a 16' trailer behind a Rubicon Gladiator on 35s. I probably won't go to 37s.
anyone try the typo open country 35x11.5x17?
What psi are you running on your 35s?
37psi
Ok cool thats what im running on mine thx
Thanks for sharing... I have a 2022 Mojave and thinking about bigger tires, I love my Falken Wildpeaks, so I would like to stay with them. Any difference in the stock wheel and the AEV's? Could I just upgrade to the 35 Wildpeaks? TIA
No leveling kit?
No. The rake will be more pronounced when I add a winch to the front.
Did you measure the flex you lost?
I haven't lost any flex because the tires don't rub on full flex and I didn't change the stock bumpstops.
That was a aggressive regear for 32s. That truck should have been more like 3.73 range... with this truck You probably should be in the 4.10 range with 35s.
My 2015 Willys came with 32” tires and 3.73 gears . Perfect match
Extensive suspension changes like what
After pics?
czcams.com/video/iJUSF_6yX-E/video.html
Is this an off road channel or a meme lord channel? Lmao
Lol, thanks!
I hate my 37s going back to 35s
What didn't you like?
Can I get your 33s? 😂
I put them on my parents' 2 door JL Sport. It's a little beast now!
Your voice sure sounds like A.I. generated at times.
Thanks. Someone had to give computers competition. But in all seriousness, I've since stopped reading a script.
Not even an “after” photo?
Yea, after posting the video I realized I left that out. Sorry.
“Insert your rod in the rear hole” don’t have to tell me twice!
Grow up little boy!
Almost everybody knows forged are lighter and stronger
Many people, especially newcomers, don't know there are different wheel manufacturing processes.
Hey nice video man! I just uploaded a video of my new wheels and tires...go check it out!
Next video MAYBE show us the upgrade. You talked about going to 35s and showed 3 seconds. Fail
For an even more professional and mature video for educated ladies and gentlemen of moral character, consider removing all disgusting vulgarity.
You've aroused my curiosity. Which section of my diction do you consider disgusting and vulgar? I do hope this isn't a case of Apophenia.
35s are already stock on gladiator Rubicons. Don't see the point.
No, 33's are stock. Just got delivery of my 2022 Gladiator Rubicon and can confirm wihout any doubt... they are indeed [33-Inch LT285/70R17C Mud-Terrain Tires] straight off my window sticker...