I got to meet Clayton and go on a test ride with him. The bikes are pretty fun to ride. After meeting him and the rest of the crew there, what really stands out is the workers. Everyone was so nice, passionate, and very informative. They really increased my view on the company.
Dang 30mph top speed is extremely limiting for $6500 minimum. 2wd is so flipping cool though. I want to see Kase review a 2wd hydraulic gas dirt bike/Enduro.
Indeed. With electric there is almost always a performance per dollar compromise but you do get benefits for that compromise. Critically maintenance. The long term cost of ownership is far lower for an electric. Even when accounting for that battery swap and additional upfront cost out of the gate. Upfront cost is a pretty hard barrier of entry but it is more fair to compare electric bikes performance wise to bikes that are cheaper. Comparing a 6,500 dollar EV bike to a 6,500 dollar ICE seems fair until you consider the maintenance cost, at which the ICE absolutely flies (cost wise). What I am getting at here is that when you compare EV and ICE bikes of equal upfront cost you are actually comparing a cheaper thing (EV) to a costlier thing (ICE).
@@SirNarax The long term cost of lets say a 125cc scooter is not that high… I ride a Honda SH125i (model year 2020) for 8.000 miles / year and my scooter needs a service at the dealer every 4.000 miles or every 6 months for about 120 to 150 dollar for every service he gets. So that’s not that expensive 👍🏻😉
@@deanr125 Absolutely and that is a pretty good comparison. This is exactly what I was saying you should be doing and not comparing to a bike with an MSRP of 6,500. at 4,000 miles every 6 months and 150 dollars a service that'd make your Honda catch up in 7 and a half years. Not accounting of course for the price of gas/electric and the fact that maintenance of an ICE becomes more expensive the closer it gets to death. In 7.5 years the battery of an electric bike will probably start to noticeably decrease in capacity so maintenance costs would favor the ICE comparatively. However in that 7.5 years at 100 average miles per gallon at 3.50 dollars a gallon you will be spending 12,000 dollars on gas. Electricity isn't free either but it is more difficult to calculate how much it'd cost to charge the bike. But unless you live in a place where electricity is ordinarily expensive you can be certain the it won't cost that much. This is still a very expensive electric motorcycle though even being fair with its' comparisons which comparing this to a 125 absolutely is. You did what I was saying you should do with an electric bike. That Honda while being a little more expensive in the long term will have a better range, storage and is more performant. Also side note: nice bike. I really wanted a Honda SH125 when I saw it was coming out but I don't think they brought it over here. I am a little too tall for those types of scooters anyway though. If i got another scooter to replace mine it'd be a maxi scooter of some kind.
So the street bike one with a small battery is $7,500 and then add 500 for the larger battery you're at $8,000. I think you have to go with the Honda trail 125.
The price is steep but it's way cheaper than a Cake. Small, light, short-range bikes like this are the ideal two-wheel platform for electrification right now.
Ok.. sooo when does someone make a T-shaped, extra large battery pack that's "non-removable", gives 150-200mile range at 35mph, with 450lbs payload (driver and whatever driver is carrying). But still make it capable of getting up to 50-60mph for say... 50-75miles with full charge full payload. Use 2.5kw or better motors instead of the 1.0s. Better suspension. Better brakes. With a 2kw(ish) charger unit running off 220VAC. For $10-15k usd. I'm keen on the idea of charging it from a solar equipped remote cabin. A run around bike, take it hunting, take it to cut wood (using a battery chain saw), use it as a dingy off the back of an RV for runs into town. Love how much brushless motors and their control units have advanced. Wish it was a little more motorcycle and a little less bicycle.
Cool idea - but for the money you can buy a new Tenere. Yeahhhhh I know what I'd go with. Now eventually of we get good enough tech to really improve battery life, say like double the range, far lower costs, improved top speed and suspension. Then we're talking.
If you have a Motorcycle license the Zero FXS has a 50 mile range for $ 9500- minus Rebates and tax credits and will change in 4.5 hours. I've ridden the Zero's and am very tempted. This bike here should be around 4K or less.
Again, Paul you are comparing a Honda CRV to a Hummer, this is a utility work horse, how are you going to strap 100lbs of equipment on a zero? This is purpose built.
@@nathandalleave252 It has very limited appeal with 30 MPH. The Zero With a rack can hold just as much. The problem is where can you use it? Maybe a campground of where you ride a moped? It competes more with a Yamaha TW200 or Suzuki Van Van They are more like farm bikes, but both can do 60 MPH and get 70 + MPG. This is a cool bike but to pricey for most people. As cool as it is the 2 wheel drive isn't as valuable on a Motorcycle that you can easily lift up and move. Rokon makes these types of 2x2 bikes in 200CC Gas and can tow 2000lbs. I think it's more a comparison of a front wheel drive CRV and a 4 Wheel Drive CRV.
Looks like a fun bike, especially the big nobbies on the 2WD. A claw machine. It’s just that this price puts it up against full bodied electric motorcycles that are highway capable.
Just keep in mind a quiet vehicle and certain outdoor situations would be probably a bad choice for the fact that you're not making noise earring the animals away and letting them know you're there the begin with. Because a quiet vehicle automatically will startled the animal and they're most likely to attack
It is more fair to think of these as 2-4k bikes performance wise but with an upfront cost. Since the EV will be far cheaper long term. Not really fair to compare it performance wise to a equally priced ICE bike since the ICE bike actually is a far more expensive bike long term. It is still harder to buy just because that money will be saved later doesn't make that upfront cost go away. Easier to pay thousands in oil over years than pay hundreds today. And even comparing this bike to 2k-4k bikes its' performance seems shallow. There are EVs that can outperform it too (maybe not offroad though).
Kyle goes to a guy selling watermelons and says “yeah I like oranges better and they are cheaper too” 🤦🏻♂️ yup sure are! But it’s not a watermelon! Having all electric is completely different to internal combustion, you cannot compare the two based on purchase price alone.
I don't understand why people would buy one of these for the cost. You can get a brand new z400 that gets 60 mpg and have enough money left over for like two years of gas
They want you to switch to electric for the environment but you charge 6500 all the way up to 8000 and take 6 to 8 hr to charge and only 75 miles that it probably won't get for those prices they a lot of real motorcycle out there
I guess if its close to zero maintenance and takes no gas, then it could maybe pay out after 5+ years compared to some 50/100CC bike. I guess also if it was something that you charged off solar in the middle of no ware it could be worth it. Other than that I will take a normal bike
I just came across these & came to ask you what you thought about them? So @kase what are your thoughts on the work version vs the adventure? His comment on putting them in aircraft, would be cool to put in my MD500 or Carbon Cub while doing BackCountry flying
2wd for 6500 is a deal breaker. Have you checked Ariel Rider Grizzly?They offer higher power and longer range for less than half of the money. I will be interested in such review
All the videos about this bike are frustrating. Never does anyone address apartment dwellers who need to remove the battery and carry them inside for charging.
It's an interesting product, but I think they're just a bit over priced. A top of the line electric mountain bike is much lighter and cost $8000 at the most.
But this wasnt built for mtb trails, try carrying +80lbs of farm equipment on said electric mtb and see how it goes where this has the ability to do that easily. Also this doesnt even have pedals so not sure why its even comparable. Plus most emtb have 350-500wh batteries, this is 2100-3100 so most alot of the cost is in the battery pack.
I'd think the Metacycle would be better for less money at least for a commuter, but really these aren't commuters. I was guessing at least $5k for these bikes. When I found out it starts at $6500 I was like, well it's worth the extra $1.5k to not have anything made in "China" on it lol. Awesome bikes.
Ride two hours/charge for eight hours . . . when I can ride 150 miles and fill in 3 minutes. Get real, this electric bullshit is just that, TOTAL BULLSHIT ❗❗❗
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I got to meet Clayton and go on a test ride with him. The bikes are pretty fun to ride. After meeting him and the rest of the crew there, what really stands out is the workers. Everyone was so nice, passionate, and very informative. They really increased my view on the company.
The honda trail 125 is looking alot better at about half the price...
Electric?
@@julianskinner3697 nope and thats the best part. 130 mpg
If you find one the dealer will make sure it’s not half the price.
@@systemsevil1 yeh but its not future proof...
@@fbyi2940 What does thay even mean? Ita fully capable of doing everything I need it too
Dang 30mph top speed is extremely limiting for $6500 minimum. 2wd is so flipping cool though. I want to see Kase review a 2wd hydraulic gas dirt bike/Enduro.
6500!!!? I nearly choked on my drink when I read that. Forget a trail 125, you could buy a Yamaha R1 for that price, but hey that's just me 🤣😂
Indeed. With electric there is almost always a performance per dollar compromise but you do get benefits for that compromise. Critically maintenance. The long term cost of ownership is far lower for an electric. Even when accounting for that battery swap and additional upfront cost out of the gate.
Upfront cost is a pretty hard barrier of entry but it is more fair to compare electric bikes performance wise to bikes that are cheaper. Comparing a 6,500 dollar EV bike to a 6,500 dollar ICE seems fair until you consider the maintenance cost, at which the ICE absolutely flies (cost wise). What I am getting at here is that when you compare EV and ICE bikes of equal upfront cost you are actually comparing a cheaper thing (EV) to a costlier thing (ICE).
@@SirNarax The long term cost of lets say a 125cc scooter is not that high… I ride a Honda SH125i (model year 2020) for 8.000 miles / year and my scooter needs a service at the dealer every 4.000 miles or every 6 months for about 120 to 150 dollar for every service he gets. So that’s not that expensive 👍🏻😉
@@deanr125 Absolutely and that is a pretty good comparison. This is exactly what I was saying you should be doing and not comparing to a bike with an MSRP of 6,500. at 4,000 miles every 6 months and 150 dollars a service that'd make your Honda catch up in 7 and a half years. Not accounting of course for the price of gas/electric and the fact that maintenance of an ICE becomes more expensive the closer it gets to death. In 7.5 years the battery of an electric bike will probably start to noticeably decrease in capacity so maintenance costs would favor the ICE comparatively.
However in that 7.5 years at 100 average miles per gallon at 3.50 dollars a gallon you will be spending 12,000 dollars on gas. Electricity isn't free either but it is more difficult to calculate how much it'd cost to charge the bike. But unless you live in a place where electricity is ordinarily expensive you can be certain the it won't cost that much. This is still a very expensive electric motorcycle though even being fair with its' comparisons which comparing this to a 125 absolutely is. You did what I was saying you should do with an electric bike. That Honda while being a little more expensive in the long term will have a better range, storage and is more performant.
Also side note: nice bike. I really wanted a Honda SH125 when I saw it was coming out but I don't think they brought it over here. I am a little too tall for those types of scooters anyway though. If i got another scooter to replace mine it'd be a maxi scooter of some kind.
Or buy a trail 125 and do more and go farther. Cool for being electric and all but not for that price...
True, but one makes noise and runs on dinosaurs and the other is silent and can run on renewable supplied electricity.
Good luck finding a trail 125
@@purplepenguin43 honda needs to make e trail 125 or hybrid one
$7k for 50 miles at 30mph? No thanks.
I bought a grizzly. It has a 75 mile range per charge, 2 wheel drive AND only cost $3000.00!
Yah Ariel rider is way better than this, the pricing is crazy stupid for this bike.
So the street bike one with a small battery is $7,500 and then add 500 for the larger battery you're at $8,000. I think you have to go with the Honda trail 125.
It's actually the $7500 with the KxH 3.1 bigger battery. It's $7000 with the 2.1
30 MPH!!? BLOW ME.
The price is steep but it's way cheaper than a Cake. Small, light, short-range bikes like this are the ideal two-wheel platform for electrification right now.
Ok.. sooo when does someone make a T-shaped, extra large battery pack that's "non-removable", gives 150-200mile range at 35mph, with 450lbs payload (driver and whatever driver is carrying). But still make it capable of getting up to 50-60mph for say... 50-75miles with full charge full payload. Use 2.5kw or better motors instead of the 1.0s. Better suspension. Better brakes.
With a 2kw(ish) charger unit running off 220VAC.
For $10-15k usd.
I'm keen on the idea of charging it from a solar equipped remote cabin. A run around bike, take it hunting, take it to cut wood (using a battery chain saw), use it as a dingy off the back of an RV for runs into town. Love how much brushless motors and their control units have advanced. Wish it was a little more motorcycle and a little less bicycle.
Why would you buy a bigger more expensive battery if you get the same range with the smaller cheaper one?
TFL ⚡E
It's here..It's a real thing 🙌 TFL ⚡E keep them coming👍🏻
I’ve always been interested in this 2WD bike. Pity they only sell it in US and Aust/NZ. This will sell well in Japan.
For a 2wd bike I’d much rather have a Rokon
Looks pretty good and everything
Cool idea - but for the money you can buy a new Tenere. Yeahhhhh I know what I'd go with.
Now eventually of we get good enough tech to really improve battery life, say like double the range, far lower costs, improved top speed and suspension. Then we're talking.
Now there are some cool e-bikes for 'off-roading' adventure!
If you have a Motorcycle license the Zero FXS has a 50 mile range for $ 9500- minus Rebates and tax credits and will change in 4.5 hours. I've ridden the Zero's and am very tempted. This bike here should be around 4K or less.
Again, Paul you are comparing a Honda CRV to a Hummer, this is a utility work horse, how are you going to strap 100lbs of equipment on a zero? This is purpose built.
@@nathandalleave252 It has very limited appeal with 30 MPH. The Zero With a rack can hold just as much. The problem is where can you use it? Maybe a campground of where you ride a moped? It competes more with a Yamaha TW200 or Suzuki Van Van They are more like farm bikes, but both can do 60 MPH and get 70 + MPG. This is a cool bike but to pricey for most people. As cool as it is the 2 wheel drive isn't as valuable on a Motorcycle that you can easily lift up and move. Rokon makes these types of 2x2 bikes in 200CC Gas and can tow 2000lbs. I think it's more a comparison of a front wheel drive CRV and a 4 Wheel Drive CRV.
Can you plug electric tools into it?
Why don’t you calculate the rebates and tax credits with the ubco 2x2
Can it switch from 2wd to rear wheel drive only?
Looks like a fun bike, especially the big nobbies on the 2WD. A claw machine. It’s just that this price puts it up against full bodied electric motorcycles that are highway capable.
I can build something 2x as fast for half the price.
Just keep in mind a quiet vehicle and certain outdoor situations would be probably a bad choice for the fact that you're not making noise earring the animals away and letting them know you're there the begin with. Because a quiet vehicle automatically will startled the animal and they're most likely to attack
These bikes are double the price they should be won’t sell many because too much competition for less money 💰
For a primitive motorcycle (besides being electric) that price is hard to swallow
It is more fair to think of these as 2-4k bikes performance wise but with an upfront cost. Since the EV will be far cheaper long term. Not really fair to compare it performance wise to a equally priced ICE bike since the ICE bike actually is a far more expensive bike long term. It is still harder to buy just because that money will be saved later doesn't make that upfront cost go away. Easier to pay thousands in oil over years than pay hundreds today. And even comparing this bike to 2k-4k bikes its' performance seems shallow. There are EVs that can outperform it too (maybe not offroad though).
That “HeHe” 2:43 😂
I would definately buy a Honda Trail 125 over this for alot less money.
Kyle goes to a guy selling watermelons and says “yeah I like oranges better and they are cheaper too” 🤦🏻♂️ yup sure are! But it’s not a watermelon! Having all electric is completely different to internal combustion, you cannot compare the two based on purchase price alone.
Cool bike, although they are kinda pricey. Looking fresh Case, cheers Kirk
I'm getting a few of these for the property!!
The Yamaha hydraulic WR 2x2 didn't do much better in handling, but prevented or helped in traction situations.
NZ has had these a few years??
Cool! I'm about to pull the trigger. Maybe I'll see you in Eugene...
I don't understand why people would buy one of these for the cost. You can get a brand new z400 that gets 60 mpg and have enough money left over for like two years of gas
Why are electric bikes so much money?!
It’s the GREEN TAX.
It's actually the very large battery that is most of the price of the bike.
Because people will buy it anyways. Most use Chinese cheap components. I would never buy one
Love these bikes, been thinking about getting one for both suburban/trail riding
Nice!!! Shout out to Clayton!!! 🖖
They want you to switch to electric for the environment but you charge 6500 all the way up to 8000 and take 6 to 8 hr to charge and only 75 miles that it probably won't get for those prices they a lot of real motorcycle out there
“Here in Eugene, Oregon” meanwhile wearing overland expo badge in what appears to be flagstaff
I would love to have a northern Minnesota store and shop selling these
the pricing isnt as bad as i expected, e mtbs from the major brands are easily 2x as expensive
I guess if its close to zero maintenance and takes no gas, then it could maybe pay out after 5+ years compared to some 50/100CC bike. I guess also if it was something that you charged off solar in the middle of no ware it could be worth it. Other than that I will take a normal bike
I just came across these & came to ask you what you thought about them? So @kase what are your thoughts on the work version vs the adventure? His comment on putting them in aircraft, would be cool to put in my MD500 or Carbon Cub while doing BackCountry flying
Cool bikes! I’d like to see how the 2 wheel drive version does in the snow.
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I don't call that snow. Thats more like an icy road.
@@patchworkrepair i don't call that "in the snow."
There are other videos online of them in the snow but that was the first one I thought of. 🤔
my yamaha ywr 250 costs less then this..although im intrigued with the 2wd aspect and i know parts are not cheap so i can understand
How does in a foot of snow.
I’m not against e-bikes at all, but those are ugly. Much better options out there.
It’s the bare bones design that’s awesome.
Have you guys had a chance to look at the christini awd bikes?
2wd for 6500 is a deal breaker. Have you checked Ariel Rider Grizzly?They offer higher power and longer range for less than half of the money. I will be interested in such review
Two wheels drive is a great idea , on sand , mud and i heavy terrain .
All the videos about this bike are frustrating. Never does anyone address apartment dwellers who need to remove the battery and carry them inside for charging.
What good is a motorcycle that only goes 30MPH?
So if the street one is class the same as a moped does that mean you don't have to have a motorcycle license to drive it on the street?
No motorcycle rider endorsement needed, just a standard driver's license for the ADV model to go on road.
It would depend on the state. Where I live there is no license or registration required for that class bike or scooters under 50 cc.
I would rather buy a Honda Trail 125.
Check out Shanghai customs or the CSC Monterey Electric Scooter for a similar design.
Low key same (if you can even find one)
@@MmmmmmmmmmmMm15 there's a lot here in Thailand.
Pretty short wheel base isn't it?
And everything
Omg I was nervous 😓 lol
@@patchworkrepair it’s all good, I’ve been there too :-)
@@patchworkrepair Didn’t notice. Keep it up! 🤙
I'll take a Christini any day.
It's an interesting product, but I think they're just a bit over priced. A top of the line electric mountain bike is much lighter and cost $8000 at the most.
But this wasnt built for mtb trails, try carrying +80lbs of farm equipment on said electric mtb and see how it goes where this has the ability to do that easily. Also this doesnt even have pedals so not sure why its even comparable. Plus most emtb have 350-500wh batteries, this is 2100-3100 so most alot of the cost is in the battery pack.
Damn these look cool but you can get a real motorcycle for that price
And everything, and stuff
Just finished 1000km on mine…of total freaking abuse!!!
7 grand? Ouch. I’d grave a Rokon
$6500 for 30mph, what a joke. I'll keep my Trail 125.
2021 Grom is $2000 cheaper then those things. Jesus
Very cool, if it was 1500 you’d see one on every street corner
$$$$$$ What is the payload/rider weight limit?
Rider and cargo is about 310lbs rated capacity at 30mph
I dig it but they are ridiculously expensive.
And everything.
I'd think the Metacycle would be better for less money at least for a commuter, but really these aren't commuters. I was guessing at least $5k for these bikes. When I found out it starts at $6500 I was like, well it's worth the extra $1.5k to not have anything made in "China" on it lol. Awesome bikes.
I don't understand that price in USA as that's what we pay for one in NZ
And as we are used to getting shafted over here the price doesn't seem to bad
for being $6500 and top speed of 30 not many streets you can go on..
Way to expensive for the tech in it
TAKE MY MONEY!! 💵💸🤑💰💳
My $1500 kaabo mantis pro escooter does 40mph. And it’s more portable. I thought that was expensive. Ebikes are crazy overpriced lol
Expensive? Yeah. Expect cheaper clones soon. (Or build your own for about $1500)
Electric needs to become cheaper before I’d even consider this 7k for a bike limited to 30mph?!?! Get a Honda trail 125 and be done
12v won't run an inverter for long
Come again on what he said the price was on these?! Wow, too much!
the price, yikes.
Uh…Too bad it’s so expensive.
Way too expensive to just buy one for fun.
Cool. A little expensive.
4th lol 😂 .. great job KC
Way too expensive.
😃
Didn't change my mind
Not worth the price
very cool but criminally overpriced
Eww wayy too expensive
So......
And everything...lol
TO EXPENSIVE...
Honda Navi is a universe better than this!
all that EVERYTHING, not so interesting.
$7000 🙄
Any dirt bike is better than this
Ride two hours/charge for eight hours . . . when I can ride 150 miles and fill in 3 minutes. Get real, this electric bullshit is just that, TOTAL BULLSHIT ❗❗❗