Which tuning is better? | Thick Riff Thursday, Ep 48

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Komentáře • 553

  • @fitzlikegerald
    @fitzlikegerald Před 2 měsíci +278

    Drop C sounds crissssssssssssssssssp

    • @violet_steak3412
      @violet_steak3412 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I think they both sound good if you combine them. Either having C playing with F sharp, or playing after, I think it sounds amazing.

    • @numbersabcdefg
      @numbersabcdefg Před 2 měsíci +1

      Sure that's not just the Keisel clarity?

    • @Jihadbearzwithgunz
      @Jihadbearzwithgunz Před 2 měsíci +2

      As a bass player it also doesn't feel gross playing in drop C compared to drop F# which requires new strings modifying the nut and cutting saddles on the bridge to accommodate a 165/170 sized string to help with the low F# so it's not a noodle and unfortunately unless you run a overly distorted tone pedals like the digitech drop sounds awful.

  • @williammansfield686
    @williammansfield686 Před 2 měsíci +149

    Okay what I’m hearing is that the Drop F# turns the riff into the main riff of a song from a songwriting perspective. You can build an entire song around it. In the Drop C it sounds like a bridge riff or something you sneak in to surprise people but you wouldn’t build a whole song around it.

    • @nickbroomhallmusic
      @nickbroomhallmusic  Před 2 měsíci +34

      That’s actually a really interesting way to think of it

    • @usaflagraybans
      @usaflagraybans Před 2 měsíci +27

      It might be a psychological thing. You got so used to hearing it F# than when you heard it in drop C (which are tritones of each other), it sounded like a bridge part.

    • @LemonMeIon
      @LemonMeIon Před 2 měsíci +5

      "Do Not Look Down" by Meshuggah does something similar except the main riff is higher and the verse is a lower variation

    • @DaltonSean-rv1do
      @DaltonSean-rv1do Před 2 měsíci +2

      That’s the problem such low tuning. It’s so big that u can only use it as a Main riff. With a tuning like drop c u can make it a bridge or a main riff just by your dynamics how u hard or soft u r playing it

    • @teme5529
      @teme5529 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I respectfully disagree. Drop C is much better, Drop F# sounds cool... For 5 minutes. After that, you realize how muddy it is. Drop C has that clarity, as well as personality to it, highlighting the riff's details.
      You'd most likely have a breakdown in Drop F#, and build the song more on a sensible level.

  • @IGP
    @IGP Před 2 měsíci +133

    The full thing at the end reminds me of early The Contortionist. So sick dude.

  • @willruddermusic2646
    @willruddermusic2646 Před 2 měsíci +69

    That false start at 3:17 because of the video editing actually goes hard af...just the first 3 beats and then the riff kicks in. Immediately thought it was on purpose and loved it!

    • @nickbroomhallmusic
      @nickbroomhallmusic  Před 2 měsíci +26

      Hahah hold up that's actually kinda sick

    • @willruddermusic2646
      @willruddermusic2646 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@nickbroomhallmusic when you flesh out the rest of the song that can be the mini-turn around out of the “chorus” back into the riff before the next section 🤘🏻

  • @OmnipotentSag
    @OmnipotentSag Před 2 měsíci +12

    "Gits and shiggles" Love it! Adding that to my Nuckin' Futs list. 😂😂😂

  • @derekv9710
    @derekv9710 Před 2 měsíci +22

    I felt like F# was a no brainer once you compared them side by side. The BEEF IT HAD. Another inspiration of a video my man!

    • @tappistrt
      @tappistrt Před 2 měsíci

      FR I was bobbing my head once put it all together with the drums and bass. SO sick!

  • @TutorioNel
    @TutorioNel Před 2 měsíci +38

    Its always a good day when its thick riff thursday.

  • @braydengrieve3383
    @braydengrieve3383 Před 2 měsíci +60

    I'm surprised you didn't start with the F# riff and then just modulate up to C. Playing them side by side is such a cool jump! Something to concider if this turns into a full song

    • @joeywillems5517
      @joeywillems5517 Před 2 měsíci +4

      Exactly what i was thinking

    • @federicoverdicchio
      @federicoverdicchio Před 2 měsíci +4

      I was just thinking that too! The two keys are a tritone apart from each so yeah it would make a great modulation!

    • @thescottallen
      @thescottallen Před 2 měsíci +2

      Came here to say this lol.
      And even if it’s going to be played live at some point, there’s no reason you couldn’t have a second guitar set up on a stand that you can walk over to play it, and throw both guitars into a 1/4” splitter so they use the same signal chain.

    • @mikaelhauk
      @mikaelhauk Před 2 měsíci +1

      My first thought as well.

    • @federicoverdicchio
      @federicoverdicchio Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@thescottallen 🔥🔥🔥

  • @luclegrand6501
    @luclegrand6501 Před 2 měsíci +22

    Drop C sounds very I Built The Sky esque. Love it.

  • @youlookdifferent
    @youlookdifferent Před 2 měsíci +6

    I like low tunings but god I love Drop C for any notey riffs, such a great sounding tuning. Turns any djent riff into a Sumerian records worship riff (a good thing)

  • @Aaronitouse
    @Aaronitouse Před 2 měsíci +25

    That riff is naaaaaasty 🤘tough choice between drop F# and C, but man I love that low F# chunk 👺

  • @remotorcycled
    @remotorcycled Před 2 měsíci +15

    F# does it for me. Way more presence in the A/B test. What a meaty riff 👌😎

  • @unluggylounge674
    @unluggylounge674 Před 29 dny

    dude you are such a master at what you do, this was awesome to watch just that production process even.

  • @Rowanexen
    @Rowanexen Před 2 měsíci +21

    Awesome demonstration of the comparison between the super low tunings and the more "normal" ones, love to see it as an absolute tuning nerd!

  • @AidenMalacariaMusic
    @AidenMalacariaMusic Před 2 měsíci

    Loved watching this process! Thank you

  • @tappistrt
    @tappistrt Před 2 měsíci +13

    The Drop C version makes me think of old school Periphery. I love both versions too. You could have it both ways, with a couple of ideas:
    -First idea like others said would be to modulate up to C at some point with a slight riff variation for the second half of the song.
    -Second idea is to do either the bridge or interlude riff (when you figure out the next pieces) in C.
    Great video as usual and I love seeing your genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm while you're writing.

  • @joseph_demarco
    @joseph_demarco Před 2 měsíci

    That sounds freaking amazing ! At first I wasn’t sure where you were going with it but always love how cool it sounds end result

  • @wrathoftheteamancer6863
    @wrathoftheteamancer6863 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Nick. We need a full song out of this. Please! A vocal feature on this would be so cool!

  • @capybaraman1359
    @capybaraman1359 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Play them one after the other, it would modulate up a tritone really dissonant

  • @WASTEAWAYSTL
    @WASTEAWAYSTL Před 2 měsíci

    I look forward to these every week!

  • @astroofficial2509
    @astroofficial2509 Před 2 měsíci +1

    We love the longer videos!!

  • @greccoox
    @greccoox Před 2 měsíci +1

    is crazy when in the creative process, everything sounds nice and you loved all the options haha, sometimes one riff bring to another, and I can't choose between'em

  • @Killerkatz13
    @Killerkatz13 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Dude your channel rules. Always love watching these!

  • @calumleonhart
    @calumleonhart Před 2 měsíci +2

    DUDE
    both were super sick! you're a man after my heart, everything you've got going in logic sounds so good at recording stage, i need that template :D
    Defo love the stuff man, looking forward the the next CHONK CHUG!

    • @nickbroomhallmusic
      @nickbroomhallmusic  Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks so much! I have my Logic writing templates available at the link in the description!

  • @Palmecia22
    @Palmecia22 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Those thick riff thursday have became a routine for me, i always tune up to see what's Nick is up to !

  • @Alexandr_Nikiforov
    @Alexandr_Nikiforov Před 2 měsíci

    Maaaaaaaan…. It’s awesome sounding! Cool mixing! My regards! Thank you!

  • @urusladommen809
    @urusladommen809 Před měsícem

    Drums are sweet!!! I want a full version!!!!!

  • @thisSimMarc
    @thisSimMarc Před 2 měsíci

    Maaaaaan, your videos are on my daily schedule and it's my best day of the week, keep up your work, it's just simply freakin' insane !

  • @pierreaucarre2086
    @pierreaucarre2086 Před 2 měsíci

    That song is just MOTHERFKN INSANE bro

  • @JesseDKangas
    @JesseDKangas Před 2 měsíci

    The way you navigate logic with ease blows my mind. I need to study some of those key strokes to quicken my workflow.

  • @dbwastooshort
    @dbwastooshort Před 2 měsíci +7

    this is actually insane, i love the intro, honestly reminds me of erra

  • @emilandersen8628
    @emilandersen8628 Před 2 měsíci

    I just found your channel randomly and I am really impressed, you are living my dream life making good music in a nice house with a cute dog, much love ❤

  • @BearDjent
    @BearDjent Před 2 měsíci +2

    This might be my favorite groove so far

  • @mykaub
    @mykaub Před 2 měsíci

    Great riff as always dood! 🤘😎🤘

  • @Ryo7_7
    @Ryo7_7 Před 2 měsíci

    Dope riff and stellar guitar. That guitar tone with the drums is nice also 🤘

  • @dancortes2164
    @dancortes2164 Před 2 měsíci

    That riff is just sick dude!

  • @sauldemize9998
    @sauldemize9998 Před měsícem

    wow! that was cool. very creative and catchy.

  • @breakfastepiphanies5767
    @breakfastepiphanies5767 Před 2 měsíci

    Really nice stuff!

  • @metalband
    @metalband Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for inspiring me to jump into Ableton, love u

  • @adammoultontravel
    @adammoultontravel Před 2 měsíci

    Those fx drums took this to a whole new level. So sick

  • @jeremiahwonder4006
    @jeremiahwonder4006 Před 2 měsíci

    Super love the C!

  • @FunkVT
    @FunkVT Před 2 měsíci

    Love that Grumps shirt from the first clip of you playing it !

  • @aaroncourier6452
    @aaroncourier6452 Před 2 měsíci +1

    just recently found your stuff on instagram, absolutely love both the short- and the long-form content!!

  • @liamthompson605
    @liamthompson605 Před 2 měsíci

    This was the best 18 minutes of my day. I'm glad I found this channel!

  • @TooSlamToGiveADamn
    @TooSlamToGiveADamn Před 2 měsíci

    I love the ghost notes on the snare.

  • @o.g5211
    @o.g5211 Před 2 měsíci +6

    It could sound sick to modulate between the two up or down the tritone

  • @janru1181
    @janru1181 Před měsícem

    That guitar is just beautiful

  • @gregorykanehl6253
    @gregorykanehl6253 Před měsícem

    Man this straight out the Erra play book. So sick

  • @tusharjamwal
    @tusharjamwal Před 2 měsíci +1

    holy shit man, that slapped so hard!

  • @Darkest_of_Winter
    @Darkest_of_Winter Před 2 měsíci

    I can’t play / write this kind of guitar parts but these videos are so inspiring and motivating, I have been binging them. Thanks! Even your website inspired me to make my own.

  • @jonasbacker1
    @jonasbacker1 Před 2 měsíci

    That intro though… the riff is hitting so hard. 👏🏼

  • @trevorahicks
    @trevorahicks Před 2 měsíci

    It would be interesting to see both of these versions made into a full song. I have a feeling that the different vibes just from the tunings would lead to different songs coming out of each riff.

  • @Brandon_Renegade
    @Brandon_Renegade Před 2 měsíci

    That sounded dope af my dude! Earned yourself a sub!

  • @rockboy360
    @rockboy360 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I should probably go to jail for this but that F# riff sounded like something that Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit would do.
    Reminds me of Full Nelson and Nookie. (2 songs where he used a weird custom 4 string baritone guitar in F#, that low F# was actually a bass string!)

  • @crazyfrets07
    @crazyfrets07 Před 2 měsíci

    That electronic intro into the drum fill REALLY elevated this riff. Sick!

  • @neongloom4570
    @neongloom4570 Před 2 měsíci +1

    It would be cool to hear in E standard. That's the ultimate test of how heavy a riff is.

  • @buricaliskan
    @buricaliskan Před 2 měsíci +4

    this was nasty!!
    when you tried to use the synth bass for the first time at 13:40 , my mind went to Daft Punk immediately 😀
    as always man, huge inspiration!! I will try these things as well!

  • @jo3yepicness
    @jo3yepicness Před 2 měsíci

    Yeah that was sick 🤘

  • @x_data_x
    @x_data_x Před 2 měsíci

    I just want your full drum mix/setup. Sounds so good. Willing to pay for a full tutorial.

  • @DarkLightSwordFight
    @DarkLightSwordFight Před 2 měsíci

    I put my guitar down on my throne all the time like that. And yes it has fallen.....many!

  • @martinius4041
    @martinius4041 Před 2 měsíci

    This drop C and the synth so epic 👽

  • @martinleise
    @martinleise Před 2 měsíci +1

    mad talent bro 🦂

  • @adder2
    @adder2 Před 2 měsíci

    MY MAN i saw the new mixing promo, it was perfect good shit

  • @deadinside4349
    @deadinside4349 Před 2 měsíci

    new to your channel, really enjoying how you show your process. so cool to compare it to what i do myself!

  • @mvrkosvudade5202
    @mvrkosvudade5202 Před 2 měsíci

    Dude, I honestly don't know how you manage to come up with some many and so good ideas so fast

  • @danspitalnik
    @danspitalnik Před 2 měsíci

    So good

  • @izzygaming1016
    @izzygaming1016 Před 2 měsíci

    Drop f# is nastyyy 🔥🔥🔥

  • @morganharttrup2859
    @morganharttrup2859 Před 2 měsíci

    This might be my favourite one in a while man😑👌 the production hits different

  • @midnightskyofficial
    @midnightskyofficial Před 2 měsíci

    Yeah F# for sure…that shit absolutely slapped

  • @tackleboxbrad2988
    @tackleboxbrad2988 Před měsícem

    As a recording newb, this is inspiring to watch. Also daunting. Subscribed 🎉. I like both tunings!

    • @nickbroomhallmusic
      @nickbroomhallmusic  Před měsícem +1

      Awesome! This is a great place to learn! Any recording questions you have, feel free to drop a comment on a vid and the community or I will likely give you an answer!

  • @liamtheboi9309
    @liamtheboi9309 Před 2 měsíci +1

    fire riff 🔥 sounds like early monuments

  • @hfhfhffjf
    @hfhfhffjf Před 2 měsíci

    Bruh, that's sick

  • @ali_amn
    @ali_amn Před 2 měsíci

    Wow so awsom🤘👍

  • @LaCooper
    @LaCooper Před 2 měsíci +1

    drop F slays dude. Absolutely crushing. Brilliant riff again! How do you do it!!

  • @bradleyduer
    @bradleyduer Před 2 měsíci +1

    Do both. It'd be a nice key change. Hard to pull off live though.

  • @shanehull-muniz6257
    @shanehull-muniz6257 Před 2 měsíci

    Bro F# is the way to go! The harmony was perfect!

  • @romanus8623
    @romanus8623 Před 2 měsíci

    Oh that’s wild man

  • @joshshultz1250
    @joshshultz1250 Před 2 měsíci

    The harmony is sick

  • @RenjiPls
    @RenjiPls Před 2 měsíci

    i was so sold on how phat F# sounded but my face turned inside out once you did the drop C scratch hahahahaha

  • @AkiraSpectrum
    @AkiraSpectrum Před 2 měsíci

    Wow this riff is dope AF.

  • @Pyr0nEx
    @Pyr0nEx Před 2 měsíci +1

    Ahhhh JT Cavey could sing so well over this. As soon as I heard the full riff in F# I thought “fuck this sounds like something ERRA would write”.

    • @brandonc_096
      @brandonc_096 Před 2 měsíci

      That’s exactly what I thought. Sound like something off self titled 😂

  • @BradyKenniston
    @BradyKenniston Před 2 měsíci +1

    Huge GGD Promo riff vibes from the Drop C version. Love both though!

  • @3kkousedflash246
    @3kkousedflash246 Před 2 měsíci

    thats a sick riff

  • @alexschulze7906
    @alexschulze7906 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Super random and unrelated, but are you sober? You seem like a sober homie, and I'm here for it. I'm just asking for a friend 😂 I feel like I come up with my favorite riffs when I'm tipsy but come back to my recordings sober and work with that moving forward. I'm not trying to shed a negative light on your content, I'm just trying to improve as a musician and as an overall human being. I love your work and aspire to improve myself. Thank you for these thick riff Thursdays. I have band practice these days too and its a nice precursor to practice/ just a nice thing to look forward to every week! Keep it up my friend!

  • @steeleemedia9417
    @steeleemedia9417 Před 2 měsíci +1

    very erra-esque intro i fw it

  • @chadettelbrick4841
    @chadettelbrick4841 Před 2 měsíci +2

    "Why would I do that?" Does it again.

  • @awaitingtheday
    @awaitingtheday Před 2 měsíci

    Sounds very Like Moths To Flames, I love it

  • @fahdo_owani
    @fahdo_owani Před 2 měsíci

    Well, I just got inspired to work on my songs! Thanks man!

  • @zaquemwhc
    @zaquemwhc Před 2 měsíci +2

    i nearly spat out my orange juice at nickleback broomthall, not ready so quickly into the video!

  • @urusladommen809
    @urusladommen809 Před měsícem

    You've said it: sick!

  • @skychamber_studios
    @skychamber_studios Před 2 měsíci

    Making the stank face at your own riffs is a happiness that you just can’t describe

  • @HA11EYS_COM3T
    @HA11EYS_COM3T Před měsícem

    Honestly I personally find it nice to layer real kicks with electronic kicks to give them some sub bass. I'm a big electronic fan as well as a metal fan, so when I hear a metal song with little to no sub-bass, even when it just has regular non-electronic instrumentation, I can't help but feel like it's just not as thick and crunchy as it could be. Bass and sub bass are important, never go cheap on those!

  • @RedEnergySounds
    @RedEnergySounds Před měsícem

    Sick riff man. I think the scale length and the pickups may also play a role in this comparison! The lengthier the scale the brighter the sound. Also the less EMG-ish and the more Seymour Duncan-ish the better. EMG fanboy here but, yeah, these kind of riffs sound insane with SDs

  • @profoundproductionss
    @profoundproductionss Před 2 měsíci +3

    Welcome back to thick riff Thursday I'm your host nickelback broomthall and today I've got a riff that's gonna blow your socks off

  • @Kievitzi
    @Kievitzi Před 2 měsíci

    Both are good, it depends which one you want to use. Its a matter of taste.

  • @steeleemedia9417
    @steeleemedia9417 Před 2 měsíci +1

    ah yes, my favorite day of the week

  • @harrylyod3402
    @harrylyod3402 Před 2 měsíci

    both tuning sound super sick. You should start with drop c riff, have sort of bridge and then play drop F# riff second. Cant wait to hear how that sound

  • @Duckytattz
    @Duckytattz Před 2 měsíci

    Ahhhhhhhh
    You pulled up my friends in silent planet !!!!!!

  • @earlofcockgobblingshire3666
    @earlofcockgobblingshire3666 Před 2 měsíci

    Love the Game Grumps Zelda shirt

  • @jlyb96
    @jlyb96 Před 2 měsíci

    Silent Planet cameo goes hard af