The Future of Our Channel and Our Dog’s Breed Mix Revealed... I WISH THIS WASN’T TRUE.
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So glad I found this site. I adopted the mother of Veronica. In the rescue she was named Slinky, then Twinkie, and we have re-named her Zoey. We adopted her from the rescue last April, after all 6 of her puppies were adopted. I guess Zak got the DNA results for Zoey done as well and we were surprised to see her breeds. Mostly Poodle, then Chihuahua, and you pretty much know the rest. We thought she was Doxie till the results came in. I don't know where the rest of Zoey's puppies landed, but I'm so glad the Veronica found such a wonderful home. I can see she will have the best life. ❤
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This makes me so happy to hear! I initially thought Zak and Bree _had_ adopted the (teen, so pup) mother. Then when I found out they hadn't that made me really sad for her.
The look on Zak'
s face when she explained why they are named cocker spaniels and then the jump cut leads me to suspect there was some smirking cut out hahahah
We had a dog trainer-who had a flourishing and well-known business-tell us that our dog would never have good recall (I believe that’s the word she used) because of her breed. She said we must never have her off lead and that she must have a locked, fenced-in yard. We decided to train her ourselves after the trainer was unsuccessful. She was the best, most well-trained dog. She was beloved by everyone who knew her. She looked intimidating (which I wanted) but was sweet and gentle. She only barked when there was reason to. She was a terrific guard dog and wonderful member of our family. She passed away a year ago and we miss her terribly. She was either a Kai Ken or Dutch shepherd, brindle coat and dark face-stunning girl. She had been at a kill shelter before we found her. I cannot imagine never having her in our lives. I’m so glad we didn’t listen to that trainer!
There are so many types of trainers and all of the say different things. I do prefer consent based training and just seeing how the dog is responding to the training. My dog's previous owners told me he ran away from them all the time and not to have him off leash. But with me he would never run away and would not even go for a walk with someone he wasn't familiar with. I think dogs (like humans) can do a lot for people they trust and love.
Some breeds are notorious for lack of recall. I thought you we’re going to say you had a husky, lol. We have one…zero recall. But hey, she’s still young.
“We’re going to get it medically corrected”
“No we’re not, it doesn’t seem to interfere with her frisbee”
Zak always a frisbee boy through and through lol
Would you say he's a... Frisbeevangelist???
@@AspLode
Get out
I with people would put so much emphasis on what the breed of dog is - says the guy obsessed with border collies. That's ok, I want a border collie too. Dog breed doesn't effect behavior, so you can expect similar characteristics in a basset hound and a working line border collie.
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Dude, send your own comment, don't go trying to get attention by bringing irrelevant comments to mine
@@boglenight1551 Oh noooo! It's the comment police! Well I just peed on your comment thread, so it's mine now!
When I decided I wanted an American Staffordshire Terrier I was ready for 2 hours of physical activity a day and was ready for endless energy. Turned out that my puppy likes a 30-40 minute walk and some tug of war and 15 minutes training. He doesn't like sprinting aimlessly or have lots of prey drive. I saw some people say that amstaffs like him are not amstaffs because they don't bring what they we're "bred for". Well my pup was bred to be a great family pet that you can do sports or work with, but okay.😅 He's perfect every way possible.
Yup Every dog is an individual!
I think something that could help a lot with remedying the confusion caused by that study and the ensued articles, is educating the people about the difference between personality, temperament and behavior trends.
The study showed only about personality that it was not predetermined by genetics. And imho, personality is the one thing that influences the actual behavior the least. Temperament, the breed's potential (stemming from their historical selection for function) and most importantly the environmental factors will completely define how a dog will behave.
When people made much noise, they're not going to change the study, and they won't even change the articles with false titles, but they could make people go look for further information rather than just sticking with the one article they read. So those who made noise for good reasons (mainly what was said in this video: to prevent unfortunate choices based on an erroneous thought that behavior will be a random throw of the dice anyway) now have a task to distribute correct clarification about the differences between personality, temperament and behavior, so that those people can make smarter choices =)
I think this video does a good job starting that thought process, although it is somewhat undermined by the belief in the dna test kits that have been proven over and over to be just a gimmick and totally unreliable. Also, the percentage distribution usually is not a breakdown of all different backgrounds of the dna sample, but rather a chance estimate of being right about linking the found sequences to a certain breed.
In other words, this company's best guess is that the dog stems from a poodle, but out of 3 times they make that guess, they know they will be wrong twice. That's a sad efficiency level, but it's true.
Those tests are entertaining at best, misinforming and misleading at worst... Don't propagate them. There is not nearly enough technology available to do reliable line testing. Any reliable test today will be unaffordable... (for starters because such a test would require composing larger and more reliable baseline dataset, instead of using dataset with only a handful of breeds with a handful of samples for each breed)
Veronica is 100% adorable and smart! That’s all we need to know! 🐶💕💕
I have a Coton de Tuléar. I chose the breed mainly because it’s a hypoallergenic breed, and fit my lifestyle. At six weeks, the breeder asked what I was looking for in terms of personality. Intelligent, loving, but not needy, independent yet friendly, I said, and she chose which dog from the litter would be mine with incredible accuracy.
I used to do pet sitting out of my home and I once had the pleasure of watching the quietest husky I had ever met. Never mouthed off, no random screeching or howling. In fact I can't even remember her making a sound, even while playing! She was one of the best behaved dogs I've watched and was a regular repeat client.
Huskies would be great sheep herders
I have experienced so much frustration with dog trainers who dismiss my dog’s reactivity “because he’s a Pomeranian and they bark”. I really wish more people would accept these logical nuances!
We had an Australian Shepherd who was scary smart. We had a dairy so she had a job. She was a wonderful pet and a great help on the farm. Years later I yearned for another dog like her and while I knew she was irreplaceable, I thought I knew what I could expect. Wrong, wrong, wrong. This new Aussie was a scatter brained airhead with absolute no focus. Now, I still loved her but she was not only totally different, she was clueless. 😂
SAME. I had a fantastic German Shorthaired Pointer who was confident, smart, incredible focus on the task. I could take him bikejoring and pass birds, dogs, people, and he ignored them all. My current GSP can't handle himself, if that makes any sense. He's in constant sensory overload. He's getting a lot better on some medications (none are sedatives,) but I still doubt he'll ever be trustworthy with the bike
@@coastalcoyote When you are fortunate enough to have an exceptional pet you can count your blessings. I’ve had 3 truly amazing pet dogs and each was a different breed. The Australian Shepherd (Fuzzy), An Old English Sheepdog (Strider) and a Rat Terrier mix (Missy). Missy died this year at the age of 18 years. She was a wonderful companion, I miss her. I have a little Chihuahua who hasn’t a brain in his head but he loves everyone he meets. Not the stereotypical yapper, biter. He just turned 16 and still going strong. I’m an animal lover obviously.
That's exactly what we're going through with our new puppy. I swear I could kill this one half the time. 😜
We have had 5 Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) over the years and, while they have breed "attributes", their personalities could not have been more different. Our last boy was the most laid-back dog you could ever meet - he was that dog that makes people think raising dogs is easy! Our current little girl runs on waaaay too much caffeine and takes her management of our neighborhood seriously and LOUDLY. She has not gotten the training memo, yet, at 3 yrs old. OK - WE haven't finished the training program :D
I have two Border Collies and know about 50 other Border Collies very well. What unites them is a general scary intelligence and a high will to please, but that's possibly true for most canis familiaris - the family dog. Other than that, they are all different, some active, some passive(ish), some skittish, some bold, they are all unique in their own way. Still, there is a general difference between pastoral/herding/hunting/companion dogs.
I’m so excited for the extension of The Dog Training Experience because proofing my dog’s behavior in all places and situations is the stage I’m in right now so I think this “bridging the gap” content will be super helpful (just like all your other content!) Thanks for explaining and discussing that study as well. I did a lot of research prior to getting my dog and was honestly a little shocked at how much he defied the breed stereotypes I had read about. He’s the first dog I’ve ever had and I didn’t know about your work until right after I got him so I was less informed. He’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me despite (and even because of) his deviation from breed stereotypes. Even though I knew dogs weren’t robots or cookie cutter versions of each other, I still assumed that there were some traits that I could expect. Now I know that it’s just not that simple. Thanks for all you do! 💜
Hello 👋 How are you doing today?
I love it when you both sit & talk like this, it’s like I’m there chatting with you.
This is a great topic!
Thanks 🙏🐕🐾
I love that you're bring science to the public! Taking the time to explain the value of surveys was a really important step for people to take this information seriously.
We have had labs and lab mixes, they all have had different personalities but they all have loved everyone in our family, loved to learn, and are/were very food motivated. The one that didn't retrieve came from hunting lines, go figure. Appreciate all the information you have provided about research.
No matter what she is, she is perfect.....
She's a cockapoo-chi 😂 what a cutie. Definitely wouldn't have guessed poodle or pug!
I’m so surprised they got the dog to fill out the survey joking
I've always said my black lab, Maizy, didn't get the lab memo:). She hated water and didn't like fetch, but she loved her squirrels both live and stuffed. She loved her veggies too. Now I have a chowder lab (border collie mostly) and she loves fetch. I'm hoping one day she'll be a Frisbee dog, but right now she will only bring it to me. I love seeing your two dogs together!! Thanks for having Inertia in the series. Veronica is a doll and wow what a breed mix.
Our lab Maggie also hated water, but she *loved* playing in the snow and just, like, laying out in it and getting snowed on. She'd often come inside only by tempting and treats, and she would have a couple inches of snow to shake off lol
@@tompadfoot3065 I'm in Houston, so my dog only got to see snow once. But she sure loved it. Labs are such great dogs. My chowder lab still has plenty of Labrador tendencies 😊
The overbite is one of the most adorable things about Veronica. She is so pretty and wise!
I agree. It’s so cute!!
Wow, never thought I'd hear PCA from you guys 😅 (I'm a Data Scientist so its common terminology for me). And YES! LOVE this video! I have two standard poodles, and so many times I get "Oh of course they're behaving well its a standard poodle!" or when they're reactive, the person might say "Oh I heard poodles are jerks, so of course". And I don't think it's fair. Not only for my dogs, but for other dogs, right? People put their expectations on breeds and train towards that breeds expectations. It was very eye-opening when I started watching your videos and you said "Any dog of any age can learn given the chance", and that's true, it's not the breed, not the genetics, but the time we invest in them, and how we communicate with them. Just because you have a golden retriever doesn't mean it'll be a "perfect family dog" as you find online, and just because you have an "aggressive breed" doesn't mean it'll be aggressive, and just because you have a tiny dog doesn't mean it's stubborn and wont learn. When my dogs behave well it's because I put in THAT much effort to help them get to that point, when they behave bad its because 1) I'm still working on that or 2) its the area I've neglected more. And just like you said, within the same breed you can have ice and fire differences in personality, my girl is hyper, athletic and very cautious, while my boy is lazy, super loving and loves to eat, I mean they're really polar opposites lol
You guys are great. Always enjoy watching. Much love
The cited study as a couple of limitations, as expected from a survey study. Although the questions are validated through a scientific process they still rely on owner experience. Questions such as "how much does your dog like to play" are definitly influenced by having experience with several dogs and dog breeds. For example, I had a lab as my first dog and I thought that he was always ready to play. That definition of a playfull dog changed when I got my aussie shepard.
They still report some statisticall diferences between specific breeds, but I think the most importank takeways are:
- no dog breed is inherently violent;
- if you are really looking for specific traits those are mainly passed down from the parents, so do proper research.
I love when you guys discuss scientific studies on dogs! Thanks for sharing the info with us.
Your statement: "it takes 2-3 yrs to train your dog" was the most liberating statement for me. I adopted an 11month old AmStaff mix who is now 14 months. I've worked with a trainer for 90 minutes and will continue once a month. The one breakthrough that I've noticed is she is starting to listen and wait when I pull her to the side when someone, I sense from her body language may trigger a jump or lunge. Thanks again for all your offer us in the canine world.
Training a dog will abd should be a life long process. The current training needs to be reinforced ( they forget over time) and new training will keep your dog engaged. Just like people, you never stop learning.
Plus once the dog owner is trained and learns the principles of teaching your dog the owner may be able to take over from there.
...and it will get to the point where you know your dog so well you can anticipate his behaviour. Its a lifelong relationship
My 14 year old border collie died in April -she has played with all the kids in the neighbourhood for her entire life (even on the afternoon she died) - some of the kids are in their 20's now and still occasionally came to see her...when I got my new puppy, so many kids have asked every week or 2 if Sammi (my new toy Aussiedoodle) can play like Caydee did - this was off leash, doing tons of tricks and when I tell them it's going to take quite a while, they say Sammi isn't smart like Caydee was...one kid asked Sammi to go under (his legs) and around the tree when he was 9 weeks old - I tried to tell him I'm just teaching him to pee outside, to get use to his crate and to get to know me- this boy was so disappointed...they haven't a clue how much work I put into Caydee before they met her...Sammi will (& is) learning all the same tricks and is doing so well..I'm happy again - dogs are great!
the high poodle percent make sense, being that they are crossed with just about every other breed she has in her:
cockapoo
peekapoo
chi-a-poo
so maybe instead of a single poodle ancestor, there might be poodles crossed in with every other little dog breed.
The whole -apoo thing gets me. Today's designer dogs are costly mutts.
We all have a bit of poo in us 😂
Thank you so much for explaining this. Even after years of my own work with dogs, many times it has been difficult to relate to an owner that their dog is a unique individual regardless of breed.
Once an owner can look past breed specifics and treat their fur friend as they are, training is golden.
As a professional research/evaluation consultant, thank you for that amazing description of the difference between face and content validity, and reliability in survey research. it was very well done and you make a good argument for why survey research is pretty important and can provide really vital information when done well. And as the owner of a super weird husky/shepherd mix who is afraid of the entire world and a beautiful golden lab who is not only NOT friendly, but bites (she has a terrible history, its not her fault) -- thank you for reminding us that when we work with our dogs, they have some genetic traits, but their environments do much more to shape them.
I love this discussion! New dog parent here, I'm here to learn. Love ALL of your videos, so informative! Also love the style you train. Many, many thanks! Veronica is so adorable. My girl has brought immeasurable joy in my life! She's always teaching me.
I love rat terriers, having two hairless mutants as my first dogs. I think Veronica's rattie genes are a lucky bonus!
I found this study very exciting actually, and posted about it, and I hadn't read the pop media interpretations so I was a bit shocked at the backlash until someone sent them to me.
The only arena in which I can see it being even remotely problematic in training work is that there's some really interesting and useful concepts about where different breeds are inhibited along the predation pathway. So hounds or herders may be very early in finding, pointing, stalking, chasing, while rat terriers are supposed to kill but not eat, and huskies were originally bred to hunt down and eat their own food on sledding treks. This would affect bite inhibition (a stereotypical rat terrier might be more likely to bite or bite harder than a golden retriever, especially during puppyhood) as well as how prey drive is express. By knowing if a dog has natural inhibition at a certain point of that instinctive predation pathway, you can more easily find enrichment activities that your dog finds particularly fulfilling, instead of starting with teaching your poodle to dig and your rat terrier to swim, or know that bite inhibition in a rattie could take more work than the golden you grew up with. But as you said, I don't think the article suggests that breed stereotypes are worthless, just that amongst the general pet population (active working lines were not included) breed isn't very good at predicting what any one animal will do.
I've been waiting to find out what she is for so long. And wow! Very fascinating to see all the mixes.
I worked for a scientific survey company and there are so many things that go into it!
So happy to hear that you're going to show us how to refine those skills!! That's what we're struggling with now.
This video was great! I am an education researcher and your explanation about survey construction and validation was a nice overview for non-experts. I could use it as an intro for my students. I appreciate how you rely on science and promote science informed practices on your channel. The general public really needs the example you are setting.
I recently found your channel and was obsessed with this series!! I am due to pick up my new pup in 2 weeks and will be rewatching again from the beginning!! Fantastic idea to film all this training. Such valuable stuff for those who want the very best for their 4 legged friends ❤️
Knowing your dogs breed may not predict your dog’s exact personality or capabilities but it can be very helpful in understanding your dog’s temperamental tendencies, understanding their potential play and exercise needs and managing your own expectations for their behavior.
Over the years we’ve owed two well bred Golden Retrievers and a Coton De Tular. Without realizing it this really colored our expectations about the energy levels and training needs of dogs. A few years ago we decided to adopt a sweet, sensitive, seemingly very docile, 6 month old, mixed breed puppy from a shelter. We fell immediately in love with this fuzzy little guy! His sweet and docile personality remained for a few weeks and then we started to meet the smart, zany, bossy, playful and sweetly stubborn little guy that we actually adopted. It kinda felt like he pulled a “bait and switch” on us but he was ours and he had us hooked. It quickly became apparent that no amount of training was ever going to turn our little guy into a fuzzy, little, laid back Golden Retriever. Lol We checked his DNA (through Embark) and found out he’s a (yeah genetically healthy!) 50/50 mix of Boston Terrier and Havanese. Learning our “Hava-Boston’s” breed mix has actually really helped us to better understand his temperment, energy levels and training needs. It’s also helped us to appreciate how he sees, relates to and understands the world around him.
In addition to Zac’s videos and a local puppy training class we read “Meet Your Dog” by Kim Brophey. Her book gave us specific info on positive training techniques to try for our guy’s breed types. Equipped with all of this information were able to put together a training program that really helped our little guy to understand us and certainly for us to better understand him. He’s grown into a wonderful, well behaved and polite little dog that, we pretty much take everywhere. 😊
Studies about dog behavior say otherwise. There is very little correlation between temperament and "breed". The variation within breeds is almost identical to variation between breeds.
@@littlebitofhope1489 First I’d like to point out that this is one observational study. And as well constructed as they attempted to make it, it will likely not be the last and final word on this subject. Further the study did not to dispute the notion that breeds regularly display certain tendencies. It surmises that motor pattern traits, such as retrieving, pointing and howling, are more heritable than individual behavior traits. It also concluded that while it varied among individual dogs, biddability was the trait *most* heritable by breed. Biddability is a very significant trait. A trait that some people absolutely do not care for in their dogs and others prefer. That increased likelihood is what I was referring to in my post.
As a dog lover my concern is that people will take this study’s conclusion to mean that I can pick any puppy and then “train” him to have whatever temperament or personality I want.
Some temperament traits are recognizable in puppies and I know rescue workers do their best to assess these traits but I know from personal experience that their ability to accurately predict an individual adult dog’s personality is far from perfect. This is where looking at breed tendencies can also be helpful.
It’s also important that adopters of puppies learn to love and appreciate their dogs for who they are and not who they think they can turn them into. This is especially important for people seeking out their first dog. Without prior experience raising and training a puppy it is really important that they fully understand the commitment and challenges that they are facing and that they utilize *all* of the information and resources available to find a dog that has a temperament that is suited for them and their lifestyle.
@@littlebitofhope1489 This is not true, studies show that traits in dogs and dogs needs vary due to selective breeding. Comparing dogs to humans was a silly attempt to argue this fact because humans weren't hand selected to preform certain tasks like dogs were since the beginning of humans creating dogs from the wolf. You can't deny the fact huskies need lots of exercise compared to a English Bulldog due to the high energy from being a sled pulling breed or a collies instinct to herd to a retrievers instinct to retrieve.
@@CL-ks7xy 🙄 First, I did NOT compare dogs to humans at any point. Second, dogs were NOT created by humans from wolves. Wolves who stayed closer to humans had genetic changes to be more friendly and so self selected to be around humans. Third NO ONE said anything about a OEB being able to pull a sled. We are talking TEMPERAMENT and behavior. It is absolutely possible that an OEB would have the temperament to pull, but not the physical ability. You really don't know what you are talking about. Get an education and get back to me. But you won't. You will just spew more nonsense and bore all of us.
@@littlebitofhope1489 More nonsense is the fact there are genetic studies showing differences in temperaments for each breed. Typical temperments of a poodle is non-aggressive, easy to train, etc. But for the Akita, they are hard to train and stranger aggressive more than not even with socialization. Bite statistics show that dogs that were selectively bred for blood sport or guard dog duties are more prone to attacking humans or other animals as to a poodle who was bred for hunting. My "nonsense" is backed by science and is why people get specific breeds to start out with as a first time dog owner. But sorry to be a bore with science and facts because it doesn't fit your narrative. Also, in the video, they mentioned dogs being like humans. So, that was where my point came from and dog breeds definitely came from humans, and are still being currently created by selective breeding for specific breed types which includes temperaments. But get angry, don't look into actual research backed by actual blind studies and multi-generational studies and go by your own opinion and what a trainer on youtube told you based on his own opinions.
I think you have a marvellous channel. It will change as all things do over time and that's a good thing. Keep going and thanks
I felt SO VALIDATED by that study. As a Bully-breed advocate, I've been screaming this for YEARS. Every dog is an individual, just like people are. That's why I assist breeders to do puppy personality evaluations, so the adoptive parents can be matched with the best type of puppy for them.
So true about the cocker eyes - wish I could share a pic of my cocker's beautiful eyes
Aww she's 100% cute!!
Regardless of breed she's an absolute queen, so beautiful xx
I have been watching your shows for years, love it. But this episode was so fun for my family. My wife runs the survey research department of her company (healthcare company). Her group builds the surveys and has to go through the process you referenced and she was so happy to hear it responsibly explained!!!!!
So cool! Thanks!👍
PooChiCock! LOL! Love it!
In grad school, I spent a lot of time learning how to create and evaluate scientific surveys. It is an in depth and fascinating process.
Lab siblings here, one is more likely to get hit in the face than try to catch something, but has crazy prey drive. Her brother has low prey drive but loves/is great at fetch
Labrador Retrievers stereotypes: **exists**
My lab: hates water, is bored of fetch after 2 throws and is such a picky eater. But he at least checks the "lazy lab" box ✅ 😂
Field or bench?
@@vikingdogmanship Almost certainly bench
You have an impact on your dog's personality especially if you get them as a puppy
Look how good she's being while you guys talk. So awesome.
I love CogDog radio!!!! One of my favorite podcasts!
Finally!! Love the reveal, some surprises in there (weirdly though, I suspected there'd be some pit)! As a supermutt owner, love the discussion about breed assumptions 😁
our Icelandic shepdog is very headstrong and fearless but his sister is afraid of everything , so yes there is very different personalities in the same breed.
Love your content! ❤ Thank you for also sharing some science insights and facts. So important! Cheers from Germany
As a trainer I see trends in breeds (i.e. Corgi = vocal), but there are huge differences in personality in the same breeds.
I was blessed to find a wonderful breeder and then I gave them my list of wants in a dog and they were able to suggest a breed (mix) of dog for me… so far she’s been perfect for me!! Aussie, Bernese, and poodle mix. Ivy is “weakly furnished” which perfectly fits my lifestyle as well. Part of their reasoning was due to the personality of the parents and even grandparents of the puppy.
Great video!!
Great video. And 90% of my attention was on Veronica and her underbite! Sooo cute. She’s amazing. 💕
My Aussie and I love your videos!! In fact, her basics, I taught using your guidance; thanks!! Keep going!
She's very fast and the majority of her breeds are, typically, very fast and poodle's are the second smartest dog breeds in the world which explains why she is very smart.
I am so glad to know Veronica breeds! I am going to watch this again, my 🐶 wants to be fed! You both & dogs have a great Thanksgiving!!!!!!!♥️🐶🎃🦃
I LOVE Veronica’s underbite! Dont fix it! Lol
I’m so surprised by the Poodle!! Wow! I was sooo excited when I got the notification about this video last night- I watched it right away and again today! Can’t wait for more videos, thanks for all your hard work, guys!
It's fine if painless atm but can cause medical issue
I’m so amazed. The pit and poodle surprised me.
Science world needs more people like you, guys. Thanks for the great work you do!!!
Wow, thank you!
the future sounds great, i love your content
I finally got my 4 year old tested, and he's a Ratzuhuahua! I found your videos because I just adopted a 7 month old shelter dog and we've got a lot of work to do. I love your style and am inhaling your books and videos, thank you. I can't wait to get the new one tested!!
My pup, who is also rescued, found as a stray, was thought to be a Catahoula/Pit mix. I used Embark, and found she is 100% American Pit bull Terrier .
I love Veronica's looks and The way Inertia looks at Zak. Look forward seeing how you continue proofing Veronica's training. I'd like to see all tricks that Inertia do. Also, I would love to see series on how you train another untrained dog. Would you able to get update videos on how Moira, Chop and others are doing now ?
Enjoyed this episode, I think explaining science is really important to help people understand why research makes the claims it does (especially when it contradicts widespread assumptions). I'm excited for the new content!
Hmmm yes we saw that play out in the last few years
This is interesting. I'm a clinical psychologist and so many psychology studies are based on questionnaires / surveys... which can be empirically validated and reliable research tools, as you summarised so well! I am also mother to a very large, laid-back border collie who I would certainly not describe as "agile". 😅
I think I’m guilty of pigeonholing dogs. When you said poodle I thought ohhhh she’s smart!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing Veronica's breed mix. I did think she had Rat Terrier in her. I'm not surprised by traces of German Shepherd. I'm quite surprised by Pug and Pekingese. Cocker Spaniel was a little bit of surprise, but I can definitely see it now. Wow! Really surprised by Poodle. Oh, with all the close-ups in this video, I'm seeing the Pug overbite.
Haha, thanks for the academic research recap course ;) We are still in contact with the rest of our dog's litter mates and even with the same genetical make-up and same start of the first 8 weeks of their life, the difference in personality are very apparent. All are high maintenance in their exercise requirement, but some are much better to settle down and just chill than others. Only one is very food motivated and the rest is toy motivated!
Veronica definitely has the underbite of the Pekingese. She is so cute with her furry ears and tail. I don't know why people cared so much what breed she was, does it really matter. NO .. I would like to know what the smell was in the air because Veronica kept sniffing something.
I had an English Springer Spaniel who came from a well documented line of hunters from both parents to his grandfather and many full and half siblings. He was the biggest Diva one could imagine. He hated getting dirty, being outside longer than an hour (that was with a lot of coaxing), and was terrified of loud noises. It just wasn't his way. His full sister sibling from another litter that we adopted was the opposite she definitely loved being outdoors and would have made an exceptional hunting dog. They are their own individuals. Btw, we now have a Labrador who doesn't like getting wet so she avoids going out in rain as much as possible and walks around water puddles. lol :)
I absolutely love your training! It's so natural for me! My little cocker, Calliope Niamh, is so well trained for the amount of time I put in. For us, what worked best was wearing the treat bag all day, to be able to jump into training mode at an instant as circumstances arise. At just over a year old, we are now working on nuisance barking, which only cropped up as she got older. She is now trained to "speak " in command and also "hush" . It is still difficult to get her attention when she goes off at something outside, but when I do, she will stop after a "speak", "hush", command combo! I'm also training her to come get me when she sees something outside to bark at! I like that she alerts me to people and deliveries, just not 10 minutes of shrill barking. I know she'll eventually get it, with the constant reinforcement!
Is it a bad idea if I were to put her in a kennel time out for when she barks and won't be distracted from it? I know i need to go get her and not kennel her if she comes when I call her, but you are all about positive reinforcement. I don't want to start any bad training practices! I believe I've heard you say that negative reinforcement can give quick results, but not lasting obedience, and can develop a negative relationship.
My adult kids are so impressed by my Calliope's training, they are having me come over to train their 2 bigger dogs! They will already do so much for me, so it's mostly training my kids on always having treats nearby to reward good behavior and being consistent with their expectations. My son in law is a little sceptical about the treat training, thinking they will only perform for a treat, but I've told him about the science of random reward training and how it is the most motivating and long lasting. I'm so proud of my training accomplishments and so glad I found your books and videos.... And am so grateful the videos are Free!!!! I also wanted to let you know we love the pupford treats for training. They are by far the favorite, high value treat. Again, thank you for what you do!
Dog breed effects behavior in stereotypical ways, but only instinctually, and not in environmental or experiential ways. Those things are huge in dog behavior
Yep. I have two Shelties - One is velcro/clingy and loves being groomed. The other is more independent and doesn't like being brushed - he has to be bribed, lol. But both are barky, active and engaging - all Sheltie. I really hope people don't ignore breed!
My favourite when people try to justify their untrained dogs because of their breeds "oh my dog does not have a recall because it is a hunting breed so they have to run wild and they do not respond to me". Or they are justifying the use of electric collars for training recall because of the breed. And while I absolutely agree that with high instinct dogs the recall can be a great challenge, it only needs more time and consequent training. Not two sessions with a trainer and then saying it does not work because of the trainer and the breed of the dog.
I have a standard poodle, and he is very stereotypically poodle-y: smart, well behaved, loving, high energy, etc. I also had a Giant Schnauzer, though, and she did not adhere to many of that breed's stereotypes. She was PERFECT. She never did an aggressive thing to anyone, ever, and was so willing to learn and easily trained, empathetic and just the best dog ever. I miss her every day.
Bonus points for mentioning principal components analysis.
I have been following your videos and many others religiously before and after I got my english cocker spaniel five months ago and I am very thankful for everything I learned (for free). But I did many things "wrong", but my nine and half month old dog still has great recall, listens when she's told and is eager to please, she's a cocker after all... I tried to crate her, she went nuts. But she knows her place and it's obviously not in a crate. I took her for walks from day two, as I live in an apartment. I let her sleep with me and she doesn't have separation anxiety, because I think I have her trust. The one thing that dog trainers don't emphasize enough is, as I came to see it, is empathy. Know how dogs function, know how your dog functions. Invest your time and effort into your dog, lots of your time and effort. If you are a genuine person with a kind, but firm disposition, any dog training 101 will do. There are no shortcuts, work, work, work and lots of love will get you there.
I have a cocker spaniel and I can totally see the cocker spaniel in Veronica!
My boy was rescued from the Texas Mexican border and we did Embark too! He is 48.9% Chihuahua, 25.8% Small Poodle (Miniature/Toy) 14.3% Miniature Pinscher 11% Pug but he’s 22lbs and his hair is so short and tight to his body, he’s basically bald on his underside! That poodle is really hiding, except he got their floppy ears. And due to training and raising, he’s not skittish as he could be for this breed mix. He loves to be the center of attention in a crowd, he’s more nervous about meeting a single individual 🤣 Somehow, even though he’s mixed with 4 toy breeds, he didn’t inherit the bit that keeps small breeds very small. He’s tall and lanky, with long thin twig legs, at 22lbs. Like a baby deer 🤣♥️🐾
I love Veronica's smile!
As far as the study anyone that knows twins know how little genetics impact personality. My mini schnauzer (from papered champion lines so not an unknown background) would've stereotypically been vocal, headstrong and strong preydrive and she was quiet, meek, sensitive and 0 preydrive. She saw gophers run across the road in front of her off leash and she just watched it go from right to left and kept walking. I could whisper the first letter of a command and she knew it, she required such a soft and patient handling and training. I let her decide when training ended and what we would train that day and it meant we didn't need to butt heads on opinions but if I said "this is happening now" such as grooming she agreed so even if I decided she wasn't particularly headstrong.
Same with the pekingese I had. What a lovebug, he charmed the entire vet clinic. ^^
Shout out to the malinois! I have a malinois that's almost a year old. She is amazing! I'm a truck driver and I knew what I was getting into. Everything I heard was pretty much right about the energy level but the whole they are independent and aggressive is way wrong. She loves laying on my lap when I'm driving and is very friendly towards everyone and every animal. I wanted a guard dog and got a love bug. I wouldn't change her one bit!
Mine still have her beat! 22.3% chihuahua, 17.1% APBT 16.7 staffordshire terrier, 10.9 pomeranian 8.1 Beagle 24.9 supermutt consisting of rat terrier, Pekingese, small poodle and dachshund
This is a great video. As a scientist, I love your perspective on scientific studies and I think you share them and discuss them in such a valuable way!!
Hi Zak, thank you for talking about that research article. I'm quite happy that it's causing a lot of discussion (and disagreement) among dog professionals, because that's what good research is supposed to do! There's a few significant points that you didn't touch on, but are really important to the discussion.
Please note that the scientists were focusing on mapping genetic markers to canine behavior. The team attempted to find genetic markers for behavior that could be traced directly to a dog's breed, but could not find much evidence. However, they did find that heritable traits like being eager to please or being willing to work could be traced back to genetic markers.
So, what they're saying is - the golden retriever you folks have at home is very biddable... because it's parents were...and their parents before them. You selected for that trait and it was inherited, thus the breed displays that characteristic. But several canine behavior traits such as human sociability and arousal threshold are not tied to specific genetic markers. In these cases, breed is not a very accurate predictor for behavior.
For instance, a Labrador is not genetically prone to be more "stranger-friendly" than a "pitbull" despite first-hand observations. Other factors such as personality or early environmental stimuli may account for perceived behavioral differences between breeds, but further studies are necessary to be conclusive.
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I have a border collie whose parents were both working sheepdogs and she is very much a herding dog. The local farmer got a sheepdog puppy and the dog showed no interest in herding whatsoever. He just plodded around all his life. The same farmer got another sheepdog puppy to train with sheep but the dog was too scared of sheep to work with them. The farmer sold the farm and went into the holiday letting business. Not all dogs are stereotypical but you would normally choose a working dog from certain breeds. My collie is training for agility, rally and hoopers and I chose that breed as most of them are keen to work.
I owned a full blood Labrador Retriever who hated water and as a result, never swam a day in his life.
Yes! My first job out of college was at the Bureau of Labor Statistics and survey processing is a very involved system.
We've had two Rottweilers. They were/are completely different dogs. I wouldn't recommend someone go out and get a Rottweiler based on looks, without knowledge of the breed, and then think that breed and temperament won't matter. This could lead to so many surrendered dogs. One of ours wanted to be friends with everything and and everyone, the other is very protective and falls more in line with the description of what you may expect in a Rottweiler. We were prepared for that, but not everyone is.
I have two Pembroke corgis. One is typical high energy, the other puts no more effort into anything than he absolutely has to. Laziest boy I've ever had. Also a secret genius, extremely stubborn, hilarious and super sweet and snuggly. My high energy boy is certified as a therapy dog. The lazy boy has too many quirks and fears to pass certification. Raised the same way. They're all different.
Veronica's breed is 100% cute. And there are anomalies with each breed. You take the dog as they are. Mine is 87% Husky (breeder said 100% so I got him DNA tested) but is not as energetic, is stubborn, and has a smooth short coat all year round. I get asked all the time when we go out in public if I shave him because he isn't fluffy. He doesn't howl and rarely barks. But he is a happy go lucky, loves everyone and wants to be friends with every dog, dog. He is goofy and makes me laugh on a daily basis and that's all that matters to me. Look forward to the new training series.
I want to see a show about your dog now, lol.
My last dog was beagle, Siberian husky and Australian shepherd mix. I was so sad that she was not a talkitive dog. She could and very rarely did bay at other dogs if she saw one and was not allowed to go play. But no howling except for a few times in her sleep 😔
I am so glad to hear that it takes 2-3 years to train a dog. I adopted a beautiful Portuguese Podengo mix in Italy and brought her to the states. She was a wild card. She is a year old and we were able to train her as a service dog so she could travel with us on the plane. She is trained to help me in various ways. She did so well. I have to thank you guys because whenever I was desperate I would come check out what you would do and it was so helpful. It seems to me that training is constant and perhaps forever to maintain but it is nice to know that we are right on track.
YESSSS, Sarah Stremming is amazing!! Everyone needs to go listen to her podcast 😍
Our Boxer is so calm and "lazy" that everybody question us if she is really a Boxer kkkk
Loved this and agree 💯 %
Dogs can take on their owners traits and looks.
My new puppy reminds me of little inertia.
I've learned alot from u Zak.
I also have an older dog I've had for 5 yrs. I thought she could help teach but I think now wishful thinking.
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Now I find myself having to train 2 dogs.
I found my 1st dog was getting confused.
Commands I gave the puppy she thought I was telling her to do.
Like I'd tell her to go in the house and then I'd be calling the puppy to come and she'd be back outside.
I decided I definitely need alot of patience with both.
Thank God I'm retired it's definitely a 24/7 job and then some.😂🤣
Peace to you all, I look forward to more adventures.