Kharadron Overlords vs Cities of Sigmar Warhammer Age of Sigmar Battle Report Ep 50
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
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Josh again tries out the studio Kharadron Overlords using the Barak Zilfin traits against Matthew picking up the Cites of Sigmar again.
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Love KO to bits, was excited to finally see a batrep where they feature in! Don't love watching an army slog through 4+++ shrugs after 3+ saves tho...
The other army would just have been blown away without that ability though. They do pay a lot of points for it :) For me, the slog was sitting through a 40k style shooting phase every time the KO got a turn :P
That 4+ shrug wounds after saves is horrible to watch. I remember you complaining about Harlequins army wide 4+ invuln Matthew. This is worse.
Fyreslayers Hearthguard Berzerkers with Hermdar lodge are even tankier. 40 wounds with 5+ save for 400 points versus 30 wounds of Phoenix Guard with 4+ save for 420. Berzerkers can be immune to battleshock near objectives or in enemy territory and too get 4+ ward save when they have a hero within 10 of them. They are much slower than PG though and if you snipe out the heroes, their ward save becomes a 6+, which makes them quite squishy.
So I do think that Phoenix Guard should go up in points though, they are too good right now. Phoenixes are fine though, they are quite tanky, yet if compared to meta monsters they deal pretty low damage.
They got nothing on Custodes.
@@Zeblasky word.
If I could put my 400 points of Fyreslayers allies in my Kharadon Overlords ships, my army would be unstoppable. Its a damn good thing they don't move faster.
Hi, really great batte report! I would love to see more KO in future. One thing i want to point out. A skyvessel can fly high when it is engaged by a flying enemy and still shot as this does not count as retreated. This was FAQed last time.
I think it depends on if the enemy has fly when you disengage/fly high?
@@mwgjosh5161 i am pretty sure flying enemies only affect your ability to disengage and shoot. As flying high does not count as retreat/disengage it is not affected by a flying enemy. But i think it would have been difficult anyway to find a good spot to land as Matthew did a good job zoning out the areas around the objectives.
Rumor has it that the Table they're presenting their mini's on isn't a "Hammered Effect!" It's actual damage from punching and slamming the table due to modeling and painting frustrations!
41:35 missed opportunity to say "the bird is the word" and break out the dancing Mathews.
The phoenix's ability "Attuned to Magic" doesn't work with the command trait "One with Fire and Ice" as the trait doesn't provide the WIZARD keyword.
Ah good catch. I hadn't noticed that.
AoS models are really beautiful, huh?
Ye.
To bad the lore sucks (in my opinion)
They are incredible. The lore lends itself to far more interesting armies. Im really starting to like it more than 40k. Part of that is not liking what 40k has become in 9th edition.
I can't wait to see what 3rd edition looks like when it drops this summer.
No army should be able to ignore wounds on a 4+. That's just stupid
It’s only like 3 units with variation. The entire army doesn’t get that. Despite my love of phoenicium (actually painting my army their colors), it doesn’t really provide that much besides an overpowered command ability that can only be used by a Phoenix. But the other temple units (guard and foot anointed) honestly work better in other cities - pheonicum is about letting your fodder get mulched, while the Phoenix guard are all about not dying
Should we talk about 4+ full-wounds resurrection?
Guess they never left 8th edition
Also that arcane bolt move was bullshit. You should have to target enemy. Getting the extra plus to save was cheesy move.
Ngl this batrep was pretty frustrating to watch
Can't you only use aethergold once per phase? You popped 3 aethergold in the same combat phase. Pretty sure that is not allowed.
That is correct, I was about to make a comment but figured I would see if anyone else pointed it out
Holy shit the pheonix is one of the must frustrating things ive ever witnessed in a batrep
I only recently got into AoS and/or fantasy so my knowledge of ‘aelves’ is pretty minimal but I did not expect a batrep with them as the primary component of one army to be one of grinding attrition and durability. Against dwarves no less
Late comment but I think KO played into CoS's hand by attacking the big beefy survivable targets. I think you should have been right from the get go getting everything that didn't have a 4++. Please play more KO, love to see em on the table.
A few mistakes on Josh's part (2nd game with a new army and they are drastically different from Ogres so it is fair) but this feels like a great 2nd army for Josh! Was fun to watch while hobbying!
Josh I’m happy you’re back in batreps :) hope to play you one day
Few errors:
can’t use more then 1 gold per phase, arknaut company gain +1 to hit and reroll panic if they are wholly within 9” to objective.
Agreed with mattew at the end, i prefer all out rifle on thunderers, easier to pull it off and better dmg
it depends, lastly im testing zilfin 20thunderers with 4 fumigators/decsweepers/cannons/1 mortar put them outside in movement phase 3" outside enemy and they just melt stuff with bloodthirsty. and they are hard to move with khemist and -2 to hit.
Where did he use two?
Samoth Niffrig sure it wasn’t the Triumph he got at the start of the game? He used that on the Chemist when he was on 1 wound. Because he can use a triumph ánd spend a gold!
@@tommegens Nope I goofed it up, that's what happens when you've play an army for the 2nd time :(
We don't have the models for all rifles but over all I do agree with you
Beautiful scenery !
3+ save, 4+ ignore, and on a 4+ it comes back to life with full health? Is that some kind of a joke?
And how does empire have 4+ ignores everywhere? I remember empire used to get slaughtered wholesale cause only their knights had decent saves.
Just now getting into AoS after watching your battle report videos and your beginners guide, trying to convince some friends to get into it or else I'll never actually play haha
By a second small army, and get them playing. They're never going to buy hundreds of dollars in models and paints if they don't know if they like the game.
A friend uses the commander with an Adjutant and Phoenix Guard and it's terrifying....then again I play Skaven so with low Bravery everything is terrifying >_>
Still, let me tell you, so hard to kill and can murder stuff as a deathball.
General gets wounds deflected to HONORED RETINUE with 4+ invlun saves, Adjutant gives extra CP, then with Hammerhal Command Ability: Righteous Purpose the Phoenix Guard get to attack again.
It's such insane synergy.
I love the B.R. of the Kharadron Overlords... I will love see much more steamboats launching missiles!!!
I have to commend Josh for taking those dice rolls in stride. I would have hucked the whole set of them into a furnace by the end of the second battle round.
you forgot the auto wounds from the flame phoenix when it finishes it's movement within X inches of an enemy unit. Also I would have attacked the boats instead of the guys inside but that's just me.
Please do more Kharadron Batreps
I have no practical use for these but there’s just something cool about Vikings. I might get some just to paint they look great
Wait, when the fire-phoenix dies and you reborn him with 4+, did he get all 12 hp back or just the last wounds they are allocated to him?
It comes back full wounds
Just found my two old wizards from years ago. both also have broken staffs
Seems they met Gandalf the White
Phoenix Guard are only “decent” Warriors in AoS? They were pretty kick ass in Fantasy.
No, they are nuts in AoS. Pretty solid offensive stat line and one of the best units in the game in terms of durability. They are moderately expensive, but grind objectives like mad. Only Hearthguard out-last them.
Tidings oh ok, I was quoting Matt there from what he said when introducing his army.
Hearing Matt complain and act all annoyed about when his army is rolling those 4+++ makes him seem insufferable. I'm sure he is fine in real life but it seems really obnoxious in this video.
What would be a good counter to an army like Matt's, other than really good dice luck?
I could hear the pain in his voice
The cool new steampunk Dwarves vs the Recycled models from Warhammer Fantasy.
Thats because the army is still amazing.
I play KO, but I absolutely love the Old fantasy models too.
There's plenty of room for both in AoS. They should bring back more, or finally announce what they are doing with Fantasy.
Love seeing all the peeps complaining about KO having a lot of shooting 🙃 I wish my KO team could harvest your salt tears as much as we do aethergold.
Shouldn't the phoenix by set up somewhere 9 inch from the enemy after the reborn?
Nice Batrep 👍
One question, the wake of fire ability from the flamespyre triggers on a normal move. This should also function on the retreat move or am I wrong. So you could simply fly over the ship, bring the bird in a safe spot and on a 2+ the chemist dies.
Yes a 'normal move' is any move in the movement phase, including runs or retreats. I think in this battle the CoS player would have been better off with three Flamespyre Phoenixes. Think of them as B-17's just flying over enemies dropping their Wake of Fire all the time, not caring about melee combat because they're not very good at that. A Frostheart Phoenix I think should be used as support for melee cavalry.
4+ ignore wounds is fun when it's Skragrott! Much less so when it's an entire army.
It kinda feels like T'au you get an awesome ammount of shots. But, beacuse of the poor to hit on most of the weapons you end up missing so much it feels pointless. Add any minus to hit and you cant hit anything.
If the Phoenixes are not birds, are they perhaps birbs?
In terms of small units you can get killed, use some Aetherwings? Cheaper than Freeguild units, a little more Phoenicium themed (birds) and you get to bring something Stormcast 😉
ReRoll Those 1's!!
The Skys are Yours!!!
Love those Kharadron models
Wet noodle contest to the max
Terrains are nullification in addition of like arcane, sinister ..? Thx!
Amazing terrain!
kharadron would have killed without that 4++ shield
Josh, throw those dice out.
I really like Matt, I swear I used to think he was mean, but I think it was just him being competitive. Now I’m sad if he’s not in a batt rep
ships need to be 1" away from terrain after fly high...
People make mistakes. You'll get over it.
@@stonehorn4641 that may be, but it doesn't change the validity of my statement. I'm not sure what my personal feelings have to do with the rules of the game?
Nice vid
Am I the only one a bit confused by my admiral will be my general
Well at least KO wasn't dominating here.
I'm just getting into Sigmar, are you able to fire any missile weapons while engaged?
I also think it depends on the unit, as I believe there are some that have a minimum range... or am I thinking of Warcry?
@@briancline7349 Not wrong, the Mortek Crawler, a catapult, has a minimum range, but most can fire into melee.
PLEASE flush them red dice down the toilet! They were the worst dice I've ever seen! LOL
Matt needs to put his dice in a glass case on a gold plate to be displayed for all to see! These dice will roll 95% save!!!! LOLOLOL!!!!
Kharadron Overlords list
ok for 2000pts that overlords list is way smaller than I thought it would be.
the frigate is still a big points sink of pooh, could have had more shooters or even a bunch of endrinriggers with the saws to melt the birds
@Josh your thunderers are better withouth all those special weapons, especially because they don't give you any benefits while inside the boats
@Matthew for the suicide part, you should try either min squads of Flagellants or single Gyrocopters
Yeah I would like to acquire about 20+ Thunderers with all rifles
3+/4+++ is too much
The annoyed one on top....
Wow a 4+++ just isnt fun to watch.
That 4+ wasn't kinda dumb it made the game just no fun to watch.
Very true
The fact that an army with like 500 shooting attacks can get a double-turn in this game seems kind of obnoxious.
its a huge funkiller in my local games. that being said, an army with 4 bloodthirsters going twice is the same. double turn is just obnoxious.
@@Jewus19 Well, my experience with the game is relatively limited, so I'm not familiar with all of the double-fighting or always fight first shenanigans out there. The double turn has always been very unpopular in my group, but since we all just play low-tier melee armies, it's not too bad.
This is the first time I've seen an all-shooting AoS list, and the fact that your opponent can easily get an entire second round of shooting you can't react to, and can shoot into combat without incident or disadvantage... yikes.
Like, that single roll for turn order will determine whether you take X Damage, or 2X Damage before your next turn... which is absolutely bananas and would probably lead to me never playing against a heavy-shooting/magic army while this rule still exists! X_X
I'm sure many will say that shooting isn't top-tier, that there are counters, etc. I'm just saying, regardless of whether it's actually unbeatable, the perception that your opponent gets to play twice in a row, without the mitigating factor of alternate activations that's meant to somewhat temper the combat phase, just doesn't seem fun.
@@GreyHunter88 hell man... shooting is absolutely ridic in AoS. In my semi-competitive environment it is extremely hard for me to build a list of reasonable but not overwhelming power. My cities of sigmar always have a good chunk of shooting (since that is what they do best) but that can of course lead to very unfun games both for me and my opponent. At the same point, if I play only my melee stuff, I simply get run over by khorne, slaanesh or flesh eater pain trains so.. :( doubleturn really sucks either way.
This was a horrible dice game. Matt made most and Josh rolled horrible. Game over. Not to mention Josh missed some rules, like Glory Seeker on the Arkanauts. The +1 to hit would have been useful against the Phoenix at the end.
Eyyyyyyyy.
Normally I’d say Miniwargamer Joe was cheating for doing that well with his Orks, but the Grey Knight player just had bad luck. Oh well. Gg, and glorious dead piles.
I think you're on the wrong video
It’s pronounced “flames-spire” Phoenix...
☺😊😀😁😂5 Smile's
Very dull battle report lads with that 4+ ignore wounds.
Really love the content you bring but this was sooo looooong that it got a bit painful to watch till the end. Kharadon are not really super fun to watch in the first place but this slap fight was baaaad. Not much tactics in the end. The match I guess was not the best.
What an awfully silly army...