I love that when Tolliver first showed up, he gave the impression he was a dandy that Swearengen was going to chew into little pieces. But it starts to become revealed that Tolliver is a pure sociopathic loose cannon chaotic lunatic not really playing in this dimension or by any rules and it's Swearengen that starts to look like the civic-minded big-picture good guy. One of my favorite transitions in any television show.
I'd say there's less to figure out than with Al. Cy lacks many of Al's more subtle qualities. Not to say Cy would be one-dimensional or lacking depth either. No one is in this show. (...) And I do guess Cy on the other hand is explained less.
@@Losrandir - from watching, I think that Cy hates women. I also think he is somewhat intelligent and sinister but with judgment issues. Al has Dan and Johnny, where Cy has Con and Leon. Those are the best Cy can do...Con Stapleton and Leon the dope fiend. Trixie and Joanie are a push.
I'm not sure there's much to figure out. Cy Tolliver runs a saloon, casino and brothel. He is a brute and a cheat. He gets off on having power over others. He lacks the vision Al Swearingen has. Al can see his interest lies with the camp, and faced with external threats like plague, annexation, Pinkertons or George Hearts, he works with others to contain the threat. He makes allies of people who ought to despise him like Seth Bullock, Sol Star, Trixie, Alma Garret... Cy can only see has far as his own petty schemes and his immediate interests. When Andy is found to be sick, Cy throws him out. When Al learns of the plague, he organizes the town to set up tents to tend to the sick and pay for the vaccine. Cy is in love with Joannie, but she doesn't love him back. How could she? He's twice her age, and she witnesses all the conniving, cheating and brutality. Cy is wants her to love him, I think, because Joanie is so good and Cy desperately wants to be seen as more than a monster. That's why he dresses up to the nines and cultivates an air of sophistication, he wants to hide his evil under a veneer of civility. In truth, he rules through fear, he knows no other way. He inspires no love or affection. Al rules through fear too, at first, but he also earns the respect and affection of those who follow him. Al gets kidney stones and his people move heaven and earth to save him. Cy Tolliver gets stabbed and nobody cares. I read once someone comparing Cy to the devil and Joanie to an angel. Cy wants Joanie to redeem him, and Joanie despairs that Cy has corrupted her and will only corrupt her more if she stays with him.
Cy is what everyone thought Al was at the beginning - an absolute dictator as crime boss. Part of the beauty of Deadwood and what sets Al apart from Cy is understanding that his personal fortune and freedom is tied to the long-term freedom and fortune of the camp. Cy jumps at the chance to serve Hearst because all he sees are dollar signs and the many ways he can personally profit. Al does not mistake the nature of the Pinkertons and the fucking cocksuckers that would employ them (Hearst and "the bosses"). Al often wishes he could slit the throats of his problems away, but knows there's more strength in community. Al is such a brilliant character that absolutely transcends the Western genre and the crime boss genre. Cy is the same psychopath we've seen in other stories, and his arc is basically done by the end of the first season once he's driven Eddie and Joanie away.
Every Hollywood depiction of craps is wrong, Ricky jay should have known better, the dice MUST bounce off the back wall of the table , it makes no sense to "load" the dice this way because they have to bounce hes rolling in a way that a playing would not therefore the loaded number wouldn't appear AND what if they make a prop bet on snakeeyes , what if they bet craps they would win
Ricky Jay's character was practicing switching dice. That has nothing to do with hitting the back wall. He is not the shooter in a game. The dice would be switched by Ricky to the shooter based on his (shooter's) bet. If the shooter bet the dice to pass(win) he might be switched miss-outs (losing) dice. They could be switched before the come-out or when the shooter was going for a point. Same idea if the shooter bet the dice to lose. Passing dice would be switched that would make the dice win.
Just FYI, David Milch was a compulsive gambler who lost nearly everything he made after working decades in an industry where those at his level are extremely well paid. I sincerely doubt there’s much you can teach him about craps, or any other game of chance.
I love that when Tolliver first showed up, he gave the impression he was a dandy that Swearengen was going to chew into little pieces. But it starts to become revealed that Tolliver is a pure sociopathic loose cannon chaotic lunatic not really playing in this dimension or by any rules and it's Swearengen that starts to look like the civic-minded big-picture good guy. One of my favorite transitions in any television show.
If Powers Boothe is playing you, soft doesnt come to mind.
Powers Booth was an incredible actor. Such an awesome voice
RIP Ricky Jay.
RIP Powers Boothe
Cy the perfect villain
They are both gone damn it
rolls snake eyes after Cy leaves.
And immediately a seven when he's gone.
RIP Ricky Jay
Rest In peace Ricky Jay
Favorite character in DW
I never really figured Cy out. I liked Eddie even though he was a cheat.
Cy is like a more sinister version of Al
I'd say there's less to figure out than with Al. Cy lacks many of Al's more subtle qualities. Not to say Cy would be one-dimensional or lacking depth either. No one is in this show. (...) And I do guess Cy on the other hand is explained less.
@@Losrandir - from watching, I think that Cy hates women. I also think he is somewhat intelligent and sinister but with judgment issues. Al has Dan and Johnny, where Cy has Con and Leon. Those are the best Cy can do...Con Stapleton and Leon the dope fiend. Trixie and Joanie are a push.
I'm not sure there's much to figure out. Cy Tolliver runs a saloon, casino and brothel. He is a brute and a cheat. He gets off on having power over others. He lacks the vision Al Swearingen has. Al can see his interest lies with the camp, and faced with external threats like plague, annexation, Pinkertons or George Hearts, he works with others to contain the threat. He makes allies of people who ought to despise him like Seth Bullock, Sol Star, Trixie, Alma Garret... Cy can only see has far as his own petty schemes and his immediate interests. When Andy is found to be sick, Cy throws him out. When Al learns of the plague, he organizes the town to set up tents to tend to the sick and pay for the vaccine.
Cy is in love with Joannie, but she doesn't love him back. How could she? He's twice her age, and she witnesses all the conniving, cheating and brutality. Cy is wants her to love him, I think, because Joanie is so good and Cy desperately wants to be seen as more than a monster. That's why he dresses up to the nines and cultivates an air of sophistication, he wants to hide his evil under a veneer of civility. In truth, he rules through fear, he knows no other way. He inspires no love or affection. Al rules through fear too, at first, but he also earns the respect and affection of those who follow him. Al gets kidney stones and his people move heaven and earth to save him. Cy Tolliver gets stabbed and nobody cares.
I read once someone comparing Cy to the devil and Joanie to an angel. Cy wants Joanie to redeem him, and Joanie despairs that Cy has corrupted her and will only corrupt her more if she stays with him.
Cy is what everyone thought Al was at the beginning - an absolute dictator as crime boss. Part of the beauty of Deadwood and what sets Al apart from Cy is understanding that his personal fortune and freedom is tied to the long-term freedom and fortune of the camp. Cy jumps at the chance to serve Hearst because all he sees are dollar signs and the many ways he can personally profit. Al does not mistake the nature of the Pinkertons and the fucking cocksuckers that would employ them (Hearst and "the bosses"). Al often wishes he could slit the throats of his problems away, but knows there's more strength in community. Al is such a brilliant character that absolutely transcends the Western genre and the crime boss genre. Cy is the same psychopath we've seen in other stories, and his arc is basically done by the end of the first season once he's driven Eddie and Joanie away.
Throws white dice then red.
Every Hollywood depiction of craps is wrong, Ricky jay should have known better, the dice MUST bounce off the back wall of the table , it makes no sense to "load" the dice this way because they have to bounce hes rolling in a way that a playing would not therefore the loaded number wouldn't appear AND what if they make a prop bet on snakeeyes , what if they bet craps they would win
Ricky Jay's character was practicing switching dice. That has nothing to do with hitting the back wall. He is not the shooter in a game. The dice would be switched by Ricky to the shooter based on his (shooter's) bet. If the shooter bet the dice to pass(win) he might be switched miss-outs (losing) dice. They could be switched before the come-out or when the shooter was going for a point. Same idea if the shooter bet the dice to lose. Passing dice would be switched that would make the dice win.
Just FYI, David Milch was a compulsive gambler who lost nearly everything he made after working decades in an industry where those at his level are extremely well paid. I sincerely doubt there’s much you can teach him about craps, or any other game of chance.
@@michaelhall2709 not to mention ricky jay was a slight of hand and card and dice master.