Total Annihilation Inspired RTS We've been waiting for?
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2023
- So what is Beyond All Reason? A Fan made RTS with the goal of "Pursuing the ideals of Cavedog’s Total Annihilation". They nailed it. A massive scale, Bots, Tanks, Aircraft, Navel Ships and Submarines! Check out this epic project.
BAR - Beyond All Reason
www.beyondallreason.info/
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Can you turn off the voiceover? It's the one thing holding me back.
@@xionkuriyama5697 yes u can in options --> Notifications , you can find a lot of voice notifications , that could be switched off/on as you wish
@@xionkuriyama5697 You can turn off almost anything. In-game (not in lobby) you can open Settings and check the tab "Notifications" there you can disable all "Voice notifications".
Is there going to be a campaign?
@@kevinh3238 in short YES
@TheXPGamers Thanks for covering our game! We're honored!! Awesome to hear you had a blast with BAR.
my friend send me link to your website, and as a fan of RTS - im amazed. Downloading game right now
Its a blast!
What’s the name of it I would love to download it
@@cosmicnight7113 Beyond All Reason RTS
Dudes .. .thx for makin a new TA !!!
I must say that I love the idea of building a bunch of turrets in my base then haul them over to the position they're meant to guard.
Oh my God this is what supreme commander needed.
Building turrets was so slow and I've lost many an engineer trying to build forward bases.
@@T0asty- Hear, hear.
only lvl 1 turrets are able to be transported. And by the time you are able to build alot of them and air to transport them. they're obsolete
@@Fahargo this makes me sad
@@Fahargo there's plan to completely rework air, so T1 might be able to transport t1 turrets. Nothing is set in Stone. As its in development all the time.
What began as a conflict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machine escalated into a war that has decimated a million worlds. Love TA and this looks like a really fun game!
Even read that in the voice 😂
The Arm and the Core have fought each other for four thousand years
"...For each side, the only acceptable outcome is the complete elimination of the other." (Laser turrets and trumpets start up)
Always wondered if they thought saying 'total annihilation' there instead was a bit too on the nose lol
@@Rosskles And then that friggin' awesome music starts
@@Venator_K What a soundtrack though. Still listen to it over 20 years later.
This brings back Memories with the Spring Project engine, Zero-K, team battles and the countless reimagined games using a total annihilation style engine
and.... BAR is using the Spring RTS engine
@@Ruwetuin Yeah I just downloaded and started it and immediatly saw that. I guess that explains why it reminded me so much of it
Ahh, the glorious Lobster pots.
Game is still going strong on Steam if you didn't know
Zero-K is still going, it's great, it's on steam and still active
the problem is that for me none of them felt as good as TA. its like they are missing something. hopefully this one manages to be better than the others.
Can confirm, it's as good as TA ever was! Allot harder too as the AI is in a different league to TA's.
Great content as always Captain.
LOVE BAR. Thank you for continuing to support the modding community in all the ways that you do. TA is one of my favorite RTS games and the fans that have created BAR are true heroes. It's an absolute joy to see you spotlight this!
Many thanks for your kind words! This is awesome dev-fuel! (and yes, it IS an absolute joy to see BAR covered here)
God, one of my fondest memories is from a match of supreme commander forged alliances with a 22 hour fight, I remember going to bed as my buddy held out for a quick hour nap...
Oh man, Supreme commander forged alliance was so epic! I really enjoyed those days staying up late playing with friends :)
One of the more interesting mechanics in BAR is the flanking system. The first time a unit takes damage, it activates directional armor that reduces further damage by 10% in a narrow cone facing its attacker. But if enemies attack from the sides or behind, they inflict up to 190% extra damage as the angle of attack approaches 180 degrees from that point. You can activate a widget in the advanced game options that lets you see these directional armor points as they appear and fade again.
This means that zerg-swarming with many infantry bots/light tanks, just as an example, can rapidly chew apart even heavier units; the basic "Pawn" infantry bot has 100 DPS and that can nearly double PER UNIT if they get a flank on their target. This works for ANYTHING, units AND structures. You can even game this to one-shot things you wouldn't normally one-shot, such as stabbing a higher-health unit from one side and then blasting it with a Sniper Bot from the other side.
I’d love to see more of this game on the channel !!
Amazing work. Total Annihilation was such an incredible game. Great gameplay vid too ;) Loved your reaction when the T3 tank fired haha. Here's to 1997 game design and the legends at Cavedog.
EDIT: This also made me want to go back and listen to the TA music, which I recall being beautiful. TA sound design was also incredible. Bring that grinding metal walk of the Can and terrifying cacophonous thunder of Big Bertha ;)
Loved seeing you learn/remember the game in real time, you were so much faster by the end, recognising units, finding what you were looking for, making decisions, etc. So cool to see it happening in real time!
What a year for rts games
The factions mirror Total Annihilation as well - though in that game, they were named for where in the galaxy they came from: the Galactic arm, or the core worlds.
I was going to say that I enjoyed the factions in this game paid homage to the original TA faction names.
This is such an amazing project. Really happy when people cover it so it gets more attention, cause I feel like even among RTS fans its still a bit of a hidden gem
Yes.... YEEESSSSS.... Let the BAR infection spread to even MORE gaming communities!
I do like that you can have low health units retreat. The last game I know that had this feature was warzone 2100, that game was one of a kind.
omg i used to love that game, but never beat the campaign. it was too tough for my young brain lmao
what made supreme comander so awesome for me was the moment i "learnd" the basics and how to move a big army to the front line with dropships and all i had to do at some points was to ajust the waypoints.....
that feeling when 10 dropships drop the load while 10 other ships load up to send it to the front line ...
it was so fkkn beautiful ..
The AI in this game are actually super smart for what modern ai look like for tripple A games and giant studios, cudos to the creators for making such a loving genre even better with the gameplay!
We're going back to old school game play, rock on!
As someone who still plays planetary anhilation, im soo glad to see something similar but new
EDIT: it also brings me physical pain to watch this haha but having fun is having fun!
This game gives me nostalgic memories of spirited debates in Cavedog's old forums. If any members of the old Total Annihilation Evaluation Crew are out there and you see this, please DM me. We need to have a reunion in this game.
FAF shows how much there is love for TA family of games. Don't let the candle die out!
I really love the look of this game. I was craving for another supreme like game with good graphics for years. Great job.
I now want to rewatch the 12 hour TA stream again.
Wow it seems like the first TA like game that actually captures the feel of units. I could never really get into supcom because units felt I don't know how to call it but just swarmy. Aside of experimental units early gamę units had barely any staying power and didn't roam that much so it was micro intensive while in TA you could throw them at each other out of production line and it felt like Neverending battle, wrecks becoming real obstacles. It's really hard to explain what I mean but the pacing here is what I was looking for.
Omg I loved TA! It was the only RTS where you could take ordnance from
The bombers and “fling” your bombs physically across your target with out having to fly over them. Not even supreme commander or StarCraft allowed such creative yet skilled gameplay, and TA had so many little fun nick nacks. Amazing game can’t wait to try this again….I feel young again! ^.^
dude i use to watch my dad play Total Annihilation when i was a toddler
seeing this video title gave me glee
Could be a great vid for you to do a 3v3 with some friends as you slug it out on one of the bigger maps.
Nah I'd reckon it end up being a 2 v 3, considering shack would be off in wonderland, like he always does doing coop stuff
TA is my all time favourite RTS.. Nothing will ever take its place.. I was at the public library every Friday to download the extra free units.
This game looks SO amazing. Also, as mentioned, I remember the action queuing as one of the most awesome things. Just SHIFT-CLICK on that and that and this and build here.. It was super good. Will be on my "must check out" list.
OMG I was on about a rmk of TA with a friend a couple of weeks ago! man if I was not out of work atm I would donate to them I will when I am back on my feet what absolute legends! Great video as well shaking the rust off I see like I will be doing. Subbed & liked as well so happy with finding this.
After the first few seconds of gameplay in this video, I was taken 20 years back in time. Oh my goodness this is fantastic. Great video, amazing game, and definitely something to check out.
TA one pf my favorite games of all time. The models in BAR look almost identical to TA (those solar and metal extractors, missile turrets and laser light turrets). I’ll definitely try this.
Super interesting would love a series of this
This is amazing, TA is what introduced me to RTS.
However watching you play is making my brain writhe in agony.
This takes me back!! I'm going to pick this up as soon as I can!
Really awesome game! Only been playing for a couple months but love it already. It's so cool the level of detail and physics they've done for each of the 100+ units!
Awesome to hear you are enjoying all the love/attention/passion that is put into all of these details. So it wasn't for nothing!
WHAT makes it better then aniihaltion?\
@@Hi11Zones I wouldn't say it's better or worse than Total Annihilation. The game draws a lot from TA and the developers have a great amount of respect for the original and the countless other games it inspired.
What BAR has going for it is that it's taken all the things from TA that people love and modernized it. The controls are much more intuitive and responsive. The graphics, physics, and animations are all really well done.
I'd recommend downloading it and giving it a shot. I mean, it's completely free-to-play so there's no downside to trying it out 😁
@@Hi11Zones It goes Beyond!
literally downloaded immediately because i love RTSes but have never played C+C or TA so im hyped for this.
Holy shit I’m picking it up for sure
Looks amazing. I never played sup comm but i'm getting massive Total Annihilation vibes from my childhood
Can't wait to see where this goes, I'm super excited!
Hopefully terraforming will be a thing, like in 0K. Building trench lines and fortifications.
Even a million years in the future, the greatest weapon is the entrenching tool.
Terraforming probably won't get added, it goes too far in a direction we don't want to go (though check out ZeroK, they have it!) but we are looking at some other things to add in the near future.
definitely more Total antihalation than supreme commander (tracking a unit while its on attack used to be done by pressing T by the way) :)
You can still track units with T.
Been playing this for a minute now. Best RTS game out there.
You actually played it! Hype. I knew BAR would be right up your alley. ^ ^
Glad you've been enjoying it.
I feel this is what Supreme Commander should of been.
definitely keeping an eye on it now that you have brought it to my attention. I am curious about the story will have to check out the web page when i get a chance
The full lore will be added when the Campaign will go live, and campaign is on the list TODO before steam release. So everyone could enjoy ride :)
Hey came back to this vid and wanted to thank you for bringing this game to my attention!
Been playing with friends recently and while I'm still not great it's super fun.
Still not that much content covering this game surprisingly, only a handful of good tutorials. But the community is growing rapidly and the servers certainly are earning their cost I'd imagine.
Hopefully they release some merch soon, would love to support the team.
29:06 you can see the coverage the radar provides along with the 'blind spots' just beyond the cliff edges
Looks Promising 😮
Love this game. Been playing it a for a while. Essentially total annihilation but with supcom quality of life. Literally the tech trees in bar are very similar to TA. Those familiar to the series, might recognize some names.
I loved TA and some of the cheese you could pull off in the game... Surprised I hadn't heard of this game before!
Spring quality of life is far better than sup com qol features
All orders in bar have dragable versions
@@geoffreyentwistle8176 We practically get new players on a daily basis that say the exact same thing. Even though we are slightly increasing promotion, we think there still are 100.000s of people out there that are huge TA/Supcom fans, that don't know of BAR yet.
I would totally watch more of this!
This game looks AWESOME!!!! Total annihilation has been my favorite since childhood
Never played this before, but it looks really similar to Zero-K, which if you haven't tried is also very fun and free on Steam. After looking into it a bit, it looks like BAR is also looking into a future Steam release. I might download and try it someday before that happens, but guaranteed I will if/when it does since it would make multiplayer so much easier.
Bar and zk dev teams are really close collaberators
Both are using the bar fork of spring engine
it not inspired... it totally total annihilation... AND I LOVE IT!
And Total Annihilation stole a shit ton of things from Supreme Commander.
@@ezequielmorales4221 WTF supreme commader was the next game... and was really bad...
Sorry, I misread
"We're going straight for experimental units!!!" 😆 😆 😆
One of the better RTS games I ever played was TA, and now we have a definitive contender.
The AI looks really neat in this. I am now full curious about BAR.
We're pretty proud of our AI.
Barbai is the closest to perfect micro that an ai can be without cheating
Lamer did a really good job with it
@@BeyondAllReason Well it looks like you did an excellent job. The fact that they went to help Shack building stuff and otherwise be cooperative is nice.
When you mentioned the running on multiple monitors, it made me think of my biggest complaint about some of these massive scale games. They put so much work into the detail of units and terrain that gets lost because you spend all of your time zoomed out to manage the overall combat. Games in the Warhammer universe and Wargame come to mind.
This is one of the things we think BAR does differently than other RTS games with strategic zoom. We have a bit more micro involved and the whole feel and scale of BAR is more intimate, meaning that you should find yourself zooming in more often to actually enjoy/see the units/models/animation and all the other visual effects.
@@BeyondAllReason played it today and can confirm. Micro is there, thoughtful, and important
Looooved TA! Appreciate you bringing this game to my attention!
Still love playing SC (FAF) and am very excited to see this one advance. Looking forward to trying some BAR matches with friends in the next week or so.
So is a version of the Krogoth included in this game? You have no idea how much I played the original TA. I literally was the man to beat at the time.
Yes it’s under a different name though
@@drivver4470 Thank you!
We all thought we were the man to beat at the time... Lol...
@@ShaighJosephson I get what you're saying but, at that time in 1998, I was working for Ubi Soft in Montreal so we had a lot of internal gaming conflict and, like I said, I was the person to beat because I never lost a game. I'm not boasting it's just how it went down. I'm sharing memories, not trying to be an internet god or something.
@@CPT_Nelson Sick. They're called Korgoth's (or were) and they're giant, badass T3 mechs of happiness.
Same issue with this game that I have with Planetary Annihilation: scale. When my units are supposed to be multiple buildings tall but can only shoot a few yards away, it makes everything feel tiny even when you've got truly massive battles going on.
Try "Supreme commander"
its old but still great
@@flogruchot4363 Yup, one of my favorites -- hoping Sanctuary satisfies the itch.
total annihilation was my childhood. played the skirmish disc to dust. and beyond all reason really reminded me of that game. love the game
I still remember how great the Total Annihilation soundtrack. There was a "CD playable" copy on the installation disk.
yes, the music was great, especially the menu theme
Oh shit no way TA
This gives me huge Zero-K vibes.
BAR and ZK runs on the same engine so... rightfully so :)
Yeah same engine. Same inspiration and roots. Zero-K is more mature and complete though.. BAR only just coming up to public eye
After that showing, I definitely want to see more!
As a years-long spring engine fan, it feels great to see BAR getting the attention it deserves
Anyone remember TA: kingdoms?
omg not till just now. 🤣
@@CaptainShack you can surprising still play it someone uploaded it and the nocd patch to a dedicated website for it
Sup Com 2023?
All these features are part of Sup Com Forged Alliance but still cool to see.
Sup com doesn’t have a number of features that bar and zerok has
Auto groups line orders to name a few
@@drivver4470 well sure but I didn’t watch the whole thing yet
@@LRocks1000 He doesn't use most of the cool features in the game because he's brand new. I'd suggest watching gameplay from more skilled players to see what is really possible.
TA was the first RTS I ever played and I still love it to this day. I've played others since then but nothing ever came close to being as fun for me. I will absolutely try this.
YO! I didn't know there is a fan game like Total Annihilation, Supreme Commander series. Thank you for covering this! Hope this project goes well, listed on steam, etc.
I played Total Annihilation back when it came out and I loved that game. Definitely checking this out. I miss nanolithing
Thanks Capt!!! Just caught this,…my son and I will be downloading this tonight!!!!!
oh my god i didn't know total anialation was even known these days, TA was my first RTS just watchign shak i see shak start adn i'm like oh my god it's the arm shak is playing ARM
Thanks for making this video I almost immediately downloaded this when I heard it was free. It seems really fun I’ve always wanted to play a supreme commander style game, but never got into it. I am excited.
been following BAR for a long time it's such a great game :D
I don't play rts but this looks sick. I'm gonna look up and see if there's tournaments to watch after this.
Appreciate the gameplay, learned about something cool I didn't know existed.
I would LOVE to see more of this!
I LOVE THIS! I am an original TA player. Played it for YEARS! ALL of the privately built bots. This is SOOO COOOL!!!!
ive had tons of fun with it, and they keep getting more and more updates.
I had no idea BAR existed til this! TA was SO good... Ahead of it's time. Its use of automated commands, repair patrols & escort abilities, stuff I still haven't seen done as well to this day.
It feels like animations could be more smooth but I LOVE TA and this is amazing :D
This is crazy cool, funny because I just loaded up the original TA with the escalations mod this past weekend and it still plays beautiful.
I often assign 4-5 construction vehicles to support each factory
Build builder turrets instead
@@jacksheldon8566 Oh, cool. Those didn't exist in Supreme Commander or Planetary Annihilation AFAIK.
@@Trifler500 FTU had them
This is total Annihilation my guy, I'm old enough to tell you that. Homeboy changed a few things, but some how made it less snappy then the original.
Oh very nice! Loved TA and SC so much, just loved the ARM Bulldog tank in TA, that brings back memories. This game looks a lot of fun. I love that these "retro" style games are coming back, Retro FPS's and RTS's. Good times! have you checked out Sanctuary: Shattered Sun at all. Its very similar to this. Or falling Frontier?
4:30 my favorite tactic in early game TA was the "ghetto gunship". Fill a flying transport with tier 1 walkers and they could fire at enemies while in flight before anybody else got to tier 2 to get real gunships.
I dont know why but this reminds me of "Machines" RTS game way way back when, what amazing games this genre can push out at times, even classic C&C generals is still often a great joy to just play and enjoy the chaos.
I've been following Beyond All Reason for a while now. It's wonderful that you're putting a spotlight on it because seemingly nobody knows about it.
Messing around with the RTS mod in space engineers and now I'm in the mood to play one, lol
oh man its literally TA 2023! Epic stuff
Most unique thing about total annihilation was the production of construction vehicles, you could lose the commander and still keep going or use 20 construction bots assisting each other or even speed up a vehicle factory production time.
It all made sense in ways other RTS games didn't
This looks so fun, would definitely try it out with some people :)
Stationary Gunturrets that are of heavy caliber, that's something that I love.
Had my 5 year old playing total annihilation today. I remember being young and going to kb toys with my grandma. She let my brother and I pick something. We decided to buy a big box game called total annihilation. It was a good decision. This game is one of my favorites games ever made. I'm excited to try this!
DE is playing on occasion. Glad to see more.
This was fun! would love to see more :-) maybe even some co op VS AI
total annihilation was and still is one of my favorite rts. Forged Alliance forever.
The commander tombstone is a nice touch 😄