Dark City - Did the Matrix Steal My Ideas? with Alex Proyas | IFH Clips
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Alexander Proyas (/ˈprɔɪəs/; Greek: Αλέξανδρος Πρόγιας; born 23 September 1963) is an Australian filmmaker of Greek descent. Proyas is best known for directing the films The Crow (1994), Dark City (1998), I, Robot (2004), Knowing (2009), and Gods of Egypt (2016).
Proyas' first feature film was the independent science fiction thriller Spirits of the Air, Gremlins of the Clouds, which was nominated for two Australian Film Institute awards in 1988, for costume design and production design and which won a Special Prize at the 1990 Yubari International Fantastic Film Festival.
Next, Proyas directed the 1994 superhero fantasy thriller The Crow starring Brandon Lee. Lee was killed in an accident during filming, only eight days before the completion of the film on 31 March 1993. After Lee's death, Proyas and his producers decided to complete the film, partially rewriting the script and using a stunt double and special effects to film the remaining scenes. The Crow was released in May 1994 and was a box office and critical success.
Proyas then wrote, directed and produced the 1998 science fiction thriller Dark City, which received positive critical reception and won several awards but was a commercial disappointment. In 2004, he directed I, Robot starring Will Smith, a science fiction film suggested by the Isaac Asimov short story compilation I, Robot and was a box office success despite mixed reviews.
Proyas' next film, the thriller Knowing starring Nicolas Cage, began production in Melbourne in March 2008 and opened in North America in March 2009.
His next project was meant to be an action-oriented adaptation of John Milton's 17th-century Christian epic poem Paradise Lost, starring Bradley Cooper.[11] Both Proyas and Cooper were on hand to debut concept art at ComicCon 2011, but the project was ultimately cancelled over budgetary concerns related to the effects.
Proyas also worked with John Foxx on the creation of Parallel Lives, a joint project.
In late 2012, it was revealed that Proyas was slated as director of the science fiction thriller film adaptation of the Daniel H. Wilson novel Amped.
Proyas directed Gods of Egypt, starring Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, and co-written by Matt Sazama and Burk Sharpless. The film was critically panned upon its release in 2016 and bombed at the box office.
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The Matrix is good but Dark City just has a cooler deeper vibe
The Matrix is way cooler in every way too the point of being over stylised, but it works, unlike later similar movies. Dark City however just has more nuance, substance and grimness and it's own special anachronistic style, I love it
The Crow is my fav Proyas film, but Dark City is almost neck and neck with it. The one thing with Dark City is that he directed the hell out of it.
They were being made pretty much simultaneously, they came out within a year of each other. I think it's more of an osmosis situation where that aesthetic was brimming under the surface of the culture at that time just waiting to explode and The Matrix was the vehicle for it.
Maybe, but The Crow had already been out a few years and had a very similar aesthetic.
The Matrix used some of the same sets as Dark City. Plus Dark City filming was finished in 1996. They had one of the same producers. So there was definitely some influence
7:44 the Ghost in the Shell director made the new Crow movie.
If only the scenery was similar, or just one idea, it could be true. The fact here is that in addition to extremely similar scenery, right down to certain scenes (there are cuts of screenshots from DC and Matrix) - the matrix contains too many ideas embodied in DC (the chosen one, enemy agents, syringes in the head, flying in the air and changing reality with the power of thought, even cloaks and decorations of columns in a motel/office, and so on). So the thesis about the layer of culture looks doubtful against this background.
By the way, the first thing that came to mind when I saw Jennifer singing was the Third Rail bar from Fallout 4 with Magnolia singing in it, in Good Neighbor. The decor, bar and lounge locating, and decoration (even the color palette of the walls) are very similar - except for the location of the podium for the singer, in F4 it is to the left of the bar, while in DC it is opposite the bar counter (where the main character enters the location)
Well yes because The Thirteenth floor was also the same time and that is simulation which was on the same lines. It is a shame because the movie was looked over because The Matrix stole the show. The Thirteenth floor is one of my best sci fis because all that computer simulation stuff is fascinating. Great movie. If you have not seen it you are in for a treat.
One million dollars effects budget and a total of 25 million dollar budget is mind blowing, the movie really has stood the test of time, possibly because theres more to it than just style
Even the premise was similar. I remember reading the upcoming section in Cinescape magazine and coming across a listing for The Matrix. Upon reading it, I thought "Hmm, sounds like Dark City mixed with Johnny Mnemonic."
Also, The Matrix Revolutions ending is very similar to Dark City, at least superficially.
The Matrix used some of the roof sets from Dark City.
Some of the buildings and same crew members worked on both movies.
"Dark City" and "Spirits of the Air, Gremlins of the Clouds" are two of my favorite films.
WOW!!!! Jean Pierre Juenet is one of my all time favorite directors.....He is WAAAAAY up there!, close to Fritz Lang, who is my favorite. Dark City has always reminded me, in cinematography aspects, of City Of Lost Children. The filters and setting is very similar to City Of Lost Children.
I love how movies can evolve, but in essence, stay the same.
dark city was influenced by akira holy sh never heard that till now thats insane everyone should talk about this
Hmm, how exactly are they similiar? Dark City has for sure many many gnostic and occult elements.
@yeh2319 definitely, it's like the aliens are possessed bodies and they both contain all the symbols and occult themes. The design of the machine and the underworld is very pythagorean
I was fortunate enough to have seen dark city in the big screen within days of it's release.
HUGE FAN .
SEE THE DIRECTORS CUT OF DC.
ITS STILL A GODDAMN MASTERPIECE ALL THIS TIME LATER.
Dark City has one of my all time favorite trailers. Perhaps even my favorite.
They both had film noir elements, so I wasn't surprised to see similarities in tone
I think it was better that they used physical sets for cinematography rather than so much VFX. It made the city more real, which it definitely was even in the move while everything else wasn't.
I didn't remember about the Titanic release timing, that sucks!!!
There is also Plato being inspiration
Proyas is my favorite director just because of the influence he had on me with films like The Crow and Dark City. He's old school and I feel that the industry has lost touch with the art of filmmaking in the raw sense. I would really like to see a Proyas take on my favorite IP, Aliens.
I rewatched it just now - just out of the blue. Powerful movie.
I'd say both matrix and dark city share that perfect "midnight broadcast" movie feeling - half awake / half asleep.
Which is incidentally how I first saw it as wee lad , missed a good chunk of the first part but never the less
left an impact on me.
often wondered if the wonderful dark city took any visual or story inspiration from the hernandez brothers' graphic novel 'the return of mr x'? love them both
Hollywood's most useful director by an at least 10x margin. Nice to see his almost Ptolemaic origins!
There's more of a case to be made that Grant Morrison's The Invisibles had a direct influence on The Matrix
This is a well debunked myth. The Matrix aesthetic was created by the Directors long before Dark City, having created it for their first film BOUND, years before Dark City. And they wrote the Matrix even earlier than that but made BOUND as basically a prover of their abilities. They’re very open with their aesthetic influences in the early 90’s when they started working with the style, with influences from Sin City to Blade Runner to 2001 to Vertigo to Gothic and related looks. I love Dark City but Dark City looks like their style, it looks like their previous film BOUND, not the other way round. There are interviews with them and crew members and the DP about how they developed the aesthetic and it was complete long before Dark City. They also had made the storyboards many years previous to Dark City which show in every frame their exact style continued from BOUND. They actually had to make that entire storyboard in order to have Warner Bros green-light the film, again well before Dark City. They're from the comic book industry and thats a big reason for the graphic-ness and high contrast style of their first films including The Matrix. Colour tone, exposure ratios, the architecture, it's all there in Bound and even their early screenplays like Assassins.
Didn't dark city and the matrix also share the same shooting set as well? Seems more like a case of The Raid and Dredd, similar ideas and timeframe but wildly differing from origins
Matrix actually took a lot from Grant Morrison's The Invisibles
🖤🖤🖤 A film ahead of its time | A connection to The Matrix is the "waking" up aspect from the false world to the real world. In Dark City the inhabitable all lived in a false world just like the people living inside the computer Matrix. | All deep movies tho.
Yes they did- some of the same producers, some of the same sets reused, Matrix has many inspirations- why not Dark City (and Blade)?
Ghost In The Shell and I think Akira a bit there also
Great movie!!!!!!
The first few opening weekends of Titanic certainly couldn’t adequately foreshadow just how big it would ultimately prove to be. Really, those first few weekends were just the tip of the iceberg. (I’ll see myself out.)
The "problem" with Dark City in theatres was you needed to watch it a few times to absorb everything. It was INTENSE the first time you watched it. Matrix was bubblegum by comparison. That's what made Matrix an easier theatre movie, but it's also why you rented and rewatched Dark City 20 times.
Never heard about dark city but I saw the Crow and the Matrix. Thank you for introducing Dark City to me. I need to watch it.
watch the directors cut, its superb
Alex pooped the bed with GODS OF EGYPT
"Did" the Matrix steal Alex Proyas ideas? We all now know the Wachowski brothers/sisters/things suck so of course they did!
Exactly!
They are both based on the same already existed idea. That we live in a simulation/prison supressed by archons. They are often portrait as hive mind like A.I. lacking our human characteristics.
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"A movie like the crow would never be made today"
*Looks at all the attempts to reboot to the crow.
The Matrix stole more from “Ghost in the Shell” (manga and anime) and The Terminator movies. Aesthetically, it has some Dark City vibes.
They also used many of the same sets used for Dark City in The Matrix as well.
Matrix is cool and all but Dark City is just a whole 'nother level cool and i hate how Matrix got all the credit, not to mention the theatrical narration that spoils the entire film the studio forced in because they didn't trust the audiences intelligence and yet Matrix didn't have to do that, why? I doubt Alex will see this comment but i can watch Dark City anytime and always enjoy it and no matter what, that final boss fight is still the best, it's like DBZ with epic music.
Well if they did Matrix was done far better..
He said City of the Lost Childern, See I TY o F the Lost Child E RN , the host said Jesus already.
No you both stole from black woman Sophia Stewart.