im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
You kept saying we will get to that🤣🤣 this was a great rundown on this bike man it is very cool and beginner mode that's a great spot for first timers it's got plenty of power it seems to be pretty badass💪🏽💪🏽💚👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though. Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size. Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
Good job on your video, How does this bike compare to the Talaria Sting? Wondering about the front fork quality? Do you think this would be good for technical type terrain ? Thank you..Bob
I like it just because it's not a surron and small and I'm glad you said you have the fastest surron at 85 but I really need to know that 1/4 mile time. top speed doesn't win races I'm asking cuz I wanna know if you have the fastest ebike.
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
man, i really wanna jump on the electric bandwagon here because of weight and instant torque. but until they are similar in price AND POWER ima take the cheaper faster option. but damn if they arent coming along fast
Damn I am in California, but I might have to have you ship one to me. Glad I haven't gotten a Sur ron / storm bee when there is a cool lightweight powerhouse option. I would have to make sure it could stay in rocket mode with tuning, but this thing looks sick! With California banning 2 strokes I don't see as much competition for something like this. Super cool.
@@shockadellick I just bought a house in Redding/ Shasta county bc Sonoma County/ Santa Rosa does suck hella bad. All you have is Cow Mountain and it is an hour an a half away
Yeah these things are killer but, WHY Dafuq do they cost $10k+ !!????? It's obscene
Maybe if they get some competition? Hopefully, the price will go down.
I will be selling them at 6K
They’re mainly for rich kids or guys with money to blow.
The batteries .that's why
I'd prefer the Talaria 72v
6:07 in, as you turn the key, you can hear the horse power lol..beautiful bike.
I want more tractor content. You always make good videos.
I'm working on it!
Just because you don’t need to make it more powerful you being Jack probably should make it more powerful
You already know.
I hope to eventually see this thing become unrealistically fast lol
Jack you rock! Love the channel and content! Love that bike must be nice because you said it was better than a SurRon! Peace
opening edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥.SPUNK!
My lawnmower feels good on the grass also . Confidence inspiring LMAO
Try to make it over to the LZ compound to test it out!
im gonna guess that rocket mode cuts off as its just briefly using the peak rating for the pack. if it was kept on you run the risk of hitting thermal cut off limits of whichever cells they are using. As annoying as it is, thats quite a good safety feature.
I'll be testing those limits. You can bet on it.
I'd expect the esc to have current limiting too, by the time the cells are hot enough to trip the thermal fuse they'll already be damaged....
Garbage...I want PowerBand on demand!!! 2Strooooooooooke!
If they aren't using Molicel P42A's or P45B's I'd question every other choice made on this bike by the manufacturer
@@ericklein5097They are using LG M50LT cells, which rate at 7A each (max burst 10A) and in 20S7P config, that is pitiful (yes they SAY BMS max is 85A normal and 150A turbo burst, but that don't mean cells can supply that). EBMX told me the tune they are working on for it is struggling to add much given the top end current out of this pack limitations...
You kept saying we will get to that🤣🤣 this was a great rundown on this bike man it is very cool and beginner mode that's a great spot for first timers it's got plenty of power it seems to be pretty badass💪🏽💪🏽💚👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Looking forward to seeing them in stock so I can pick one up. With my size the sur ron was just a bit on the small side. This should be perfect!
Yea this is one size up!
10k.....
Surron is releasing the ultra which is bigger version on the superbee which should be the same size as this.
@@Slippzy I just ordered 20 of them. I am going to sell them at $6K if you are interested.
massage me if you are interested in buying one. I am taking orders
I’ve seen them but dam I didn’t know 👍🔥
That sick man im gunna watch this
Love my Cake bike 💕
Good stuff jack 👍🤜
I love watching Jack's channel because he's got the coolest "toys" on CZcams..
Sweet jack I like it
need to try this 1
Looks great! I had to watch the video twice to hear who makes it though.
Now I have to see if you have any more videos on it... Apollo you say? RFN is the model? Must google that!
If the seat and plastics were a bit lower down from the bars it'd be good to stunt but you could get smaller forks and get wider smaller tyres to build a freestyle street stunt bike build aswell
Man i cant wait to put on a pedal kit on that thing.
I would love to test this bike in the mountain trails in WV.
Ditto. HMT Mullens to Pineville in rabbit mode.
Pretty cool to you realize the front forks/suspension is a meager little mountain bike setup.....first time you case that front-end you're going over the bars for sure....
You're tripping those front stantions are probably close to 45mm with 200mm of travel. Most high end full supension bikes (used for trails not downhill) run 120-150mm of travel lol that is 100% dirtbike suspension if anything EXTREMELY nice downhill forks not to mention theyre inverted..
@@CartaIV Downhill mountain bikes usually use 200mm travel forks
This one looks super nice and with some good power behind it, would love to see you hack this one to unlock it's full potential, like getting it to stay in rocket mode all the time and unlocking the speed limiter , I think it would take it to another level specially being a 100lb bike 👍👍
For sure! I'm working on it!
You've got that right! Very well said.
For 10k you can get something way more fun than one of these
@@mrobertson188 He said same price as a surron, so I'm assuming 4-5k
I get that rocket mode lasting a few seconds is a precaution so the motor or battery doesn't get burnt out or the rider doesn't hurt themselves but i feel like they should've let it last a bit longer. Since they was able to program it to do that then i assume the curious and savvy person can undo that restriction.
Apollo Has impressed me with their Pitbikes and now with this! Do you know if the speeds can be changed on the fly while moving? or does the bike need to be stopped?
Since you have superbee wish you would park next to this for size comparison. Also surron releasing superbee ultra which should be similar in size.
Ps. Man your property is dope as hell! I love all the Kei trucks you have!!!
light bee is around 15-20% smaller. the ultra bee is around 15-20% larger. so this bike fits in between.
Ultra bee is 187 lbs so much heavier
Thanks for posting. REALLY looking forward to info on potential upgrades/tuning (especially info in additional cooling/thermal control for the motor & controller which might be needed to stay in "rocket" mode). How did you order this bike? Is there a USA distributor yet?
That looks sick
I will be getting one of those
Are you in USA?
Rear suspension is smooth and doesn't kick like conventional suspensions.
Hey Jack what is that music in the beginning. I've been looking for that style like the song opium. Thanks big fan from way back. Good to see your still producing content
I’d like to know too!
its a mid bike looks cool asf i bought a pit bike emptied out gonna make it electric fast enough for highways
Get a used dirt bike on the marketplace And have a buddy that's a good welder weld a bracket for your 72v mid drive motor and the hardest part is done ✅ after that get a controller and battery based on what your needs are Also replacement parts will always be available. Always! If a ebike company shuts down. Good luck finding replacement parts( seriously 😂).But this is a nice bike plus side is it's an Apollo those parts will always be around ( Honda clone parts probably!) 😂
Yes, but can you do a pirouette or a Piaffe at K in the dressage arena lol. Pretty cool toy
Looks 10x cooler than a sur
Sick Bike !
Wish I could afford one
Been a fan for few years now. No hate but curious if you still want to post car content? Been watching long enough to understand you post based on what you want, not for views or money...just would love a car update. Either way love your channel
Yea of course there will be plenty of car stuff. Thanks for watching
I think for proper testing of this bike it should be tested in different climates. Ohio would be an excellent test site. I would be more than happy to do one of those tests. Lol.
then buy one
Only in ohio
Awesome song, where did you get it?
Good job on your video,
How does this bike compare to the Talaria Sting?
Wondering about the front fork quality?
Do you think this would be good for technical type terrain ?
Thank you..Bob
The tortoise mode seemed pretty useless but other than that it looks like a lot of fun. I would love to get one someday.
You should do a comparison on a track with a surron
yes for sure!
Where can you purchase one , nice video good job 👏 👍
So do you put playing cards in the spokes to try to mimic a motorcycle like sound ?
Controller and battery upgrade should allow permanent rocket mode. Battery probably cant keep up for extended periods of time.
When is this going in the market 😍???
When you said little on the dinky side the horse in the background agreed 😂
I like it just because it's not a surron and small and I'm glad you said you have the fastest surron at 85 but I really need to know that 1/4 mile time. top speed doesn't win races I'm asking cuz I wanna know if you have the fastest ebike.
What a sales man.!!!
The bike looks great and seems to rip, but when I hear it kills a SURRON it make me wonder. Surron is a brand name, so what Surron model is it being compared to? SURRON has the Light bee, Light bee X, Ultra bee and Storm bee on the market.
Jack is the man!
bet the price will still be more than its worth
How does this bike not exist on the internet? Searched all over and can’t find it😮
I heard you mention that it's made by "Apollo". Is that the same Apollo that makes the scooters?
I love it I'd like to be in rocket mode all the time
Sorry, you spoke about the rear brake calipers, and displayed the Disk roader instead?
Omg, that Song is Bangin!
Who is that?
looks f'in sick - a long way from getting me off my 500 though
nice but can u ride it like the sur ron every where, with this optic, i dont think so
They make the Sur ron ultra bee now and storm bee for full size.
Are they any charging station on the trail?
In the UK there are INCH-PERFECT-TRIALS that use the New Electric TRIALS bikes and they are Brilliant, You can get 1 with an Clutch so when you Need to Rev the Motor [WITHOUT TAKING OFF] You can Hold in the Clutch Rev the Motor and release the Clutch to JUMP up obstacles. E-MOTION i think the Manufacturer is in Europe. The Best E-BIKE i have seen yet [Like an SURRON/TALARIA] Is the E-RIDE-PRO SS,As it has already got EVERYTHING you would put on a Standard Surron 60V.
jack thanks for the video but what do you think of RFN quality wise because there regrlar motor dirt bikes a cheaply made. but can you get that to stay on rocket mode more than ten seconds. plus they are a bit pricey. I have the rawrr mantis and am happy with it super well made quality wise. what do you think of the RFN compared to the surron ultra bee ?? h
How is the handling on the RFN ?? good video thoiugh informative im sure you have had alot more time to check it outt curious on the thoughts on the bike since this video.
How does this compare to the KTM electric bike?
Looks like mtb brakes and suspensions which I’m very worried about with a bike way heavier than a Surron…
What's the name of the manufacturer and where can I find this bike?
Suspension?
What forks?
What rear shock?
My dreams have come true.
If you hacked the software and could keep it in rocket mode all the time you would have squat for range, it will eat up the battery reserves and likely overheat the motor and or controller... theres a reason why they limit it.. but sure looks fun!
I BET HE REALLY LIKED IT WHEN IT CAME UP
I think this is def the future. And I'm a huge dirt bike guy. But I've ridden an electric bike. They are amazing. It's just longevity. What's funny is the could make an X version of electric bike. But the keep making them for crazy performance. If they designed a Bike to be electric, but more in the 225lb range rather than the 150-175 range. they would get the longevity that guys like myself are looking for. 3.5-4hrs. I would consider it then.
Looks like the Ultra Bee has some competition. Not really sure on all the stats but these bikes look nice. Any idea on the pricing?
You should look up the CZcamsr sur ronster on CZcams because he’s also got some great content like jack
Yea it's an interesting comparison. The ultra bee should be faster out of the box, but the Apollo is around 50lbs lighter, so with some tweaking it could be quicker. Price is also about 1k cheaper than the ultra bee
Bike looks like it has potential. Just wondering if you are going to be selling them on your site
I worry about support for them.
Oh man I really wanna come by your shop to check this thing out can you lmk if that’s possible? I want t9 buy one I got rid of my surron and got a grom but I miss the surron
Give me 450-600 power a traditional gear shifter at the left foot and a clutch and 5 speed...
On a dirt bike frame and I'd want one.
Definitely looks good surron is small I’m interested in this what’s the price?
I am selling them for $6k. Just got a shipment show up in the Los Angeles
When is this one coming out?
You should have the name of the bike somewhere in the title or description at least.
Exactly how do we know what it even is?
Could you please tell me how I can become a tester for products like this? I've tried but can't seem to figure it out man.
who makes this? is there a website?
Make rocket mode is like my 750watt bagang mid drive motor difference is it doesn't cut out after 10 seconds it didn't cost me more than £800 including the battery and I got to choose the bike i put it on .these thing's cost way way way too much
I want one for the street headlights and tail light brake light switch
Super button - Rocket !!! 🤘
U need that mode to get away from robbers
When can we see you doing backflips?
man, i really wanna jump on the electric bandwagon here because of weight and instant torque. but until they are similar in price AND POWER ima take the cheaper faster option. but damn if they arent coming along fast
To me that's looks like the slowest on yet and that fact you can't keep it in rocket mode is a red flag
Is this size comparable to the Talaria
This is the beta explorer
Great reviews on it
Beta rebranded rfn
🤘sick
Damn I am in California, but I might have to have you ship one to me. Glad I haven't gotten a Sur ron / storm bee when there is a cool lightweight powerhouse option. I would have to make sure it could stay in rocket mode with tuning, but this thing looks sick! With California banning 2 strokes I don't see as much competition for something like this. Super cool.
Alta Redshifts are all over CA used and easily dumpster any two stroke in nearly all riding situation.
@@shockadellick I have hundreds of miles of HOV 20 minutes from my house
@@shockadellick I just bought a house in Redding/ Shasta county bc Sonoma County/ Santa Rosa does suck hella bad. All you have is Cow Mountain and it is an hour an a half away
@@shockadellick lol
@@cyumadbrosummit3534 how
Free bowl of cereal when you lift the lid off the speedo.
Good luck getting pulled over all time😁
Why? I'm not on road
Why does the display look different from the stock bike
Hope fully it's cheaper then a sue Ron and I'd buy one right now
Are you in USA?
Yeah
I've tried to look it up but can't find it
@Five Nines Fine I will be selling them for $6k. What part of USA are you in?
Haven’t heard what it is yet ?
Does it make the horse noise every time you turn the key on 6:08? Pretty cool feature
Yeah that's boss
My yz 250f is just as lite and it's made by Apollo last time a had a Apollo it broke in the 1 week