The Full Story of Vault 4 - Fallout Lore
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- Vault 4 was inhabited before the bombs dropped. It was staffed by scientists and over 80 volunteers. But did these volunteers know what they were agreeing to?
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I don’t think Maximus was watching a television show, I think it might have just been a looped recording of a waterfall which given his upbringing might be just as enticing/entertaining as a proper show would be to us.
When your whole life involves struggling to find the absolute basics of survival, yeah, a video of so much natural, clean, rad-free water? Makes sense.
Yeah, I think he just found it soothing and relaxing, things he's not used to at all.
While I like your theory on Lucy and Maximus's weird conversation, I think the simpler explanation is that both have different views on sex. Lucy is raised to think it's vital to reproduce in order to recreate civilization, while Maximus is raised in a cult where their views on sex is more like what a monk would think. It'll seem strange to us because we don't live in the same world and we weren't raised like them
I honestly think it's a failed skill check 😂😂😂
Exactly
@@aursunao2817Why not both?
And Maximus clearly failed the speech check and said some out of pocket shit, just like in the games
100% they litteraly have "Clerics" now. Probably a chaste like society
I think even if the Master knew about this vault, he knew it's useless for his plan, because he needed people with pure genetics and this vault was full of mutated people
Honestly that makes a lot of sense now lol
They did have pure genetics- purely mutant. ;)
Depends on whether the Lieutenant was right about the problem being FEV and not radiation. Unless Vault 4 was using both for mutations.
@@richardarriaga6271likely a bit of both since FEV is the main mutator in the series
He may not have had use for them genetically, but he would have either destroyed them or set up sentries in the form of super mutants or the Children of thr Cathedral to keep watch. I don't think he is would have left Vault 4 alone. Look at the surveillance he kept with Necropolis.
Vault 4 is the embodiment of "task failed successfuly"
Vault 4 is the clear result of giving power to idiots. Only the strong survive, be it brain or bone, you WILL die.
15:35 Love how the cyclops puts on glasses - spectacles with two separate lenses, like that's going to make a difference. No wonder he couldn't read Lucy's name. LOL
Heh, they should have given a mannerisms where he keeps shifting the glasses to switch between the lens he uses with the joke being that they're prescription glasses from before he was mutated, and so are useless with new eye.
It's definitely goosy
I love the implication that despite being completely amoral human-experimenters, the Hawthornes were genuinely happily married. Even while the wife’s barricading the lab door she’s still using pet names lol. I do wonder whether those two children were ACTUALLY theirs, or if they were plants for the commercial in order to achieve a (literally) nuclear-family vibe.
14:50 Huh? That conversation is not hard to explain at all. Maximus was a 6-year old adopted into a semi-religious cult and given no sex education. And now he has a crush on a girl and acts like a child would.
Lucy is from a Vault society where there is almost no privacy and sex is treated practically, and without fuss. Remember 'cousin stuff', 'what's your sperm count' and her first 'Okie dokie' scene?
Those two utterly different starting points end up in exactly that conversation.
i think it's more of an explanation of why she brought it up at that time
It is also important to note that Maximus sniffs the air and then tells Lucy "You smell nice". Lucy has a confused look on her face because in that moment she is dirty, and hasn't bathed in a few days. Lucy looks down towards her body and realizes that Maximus is smelling her lady stench, a smile appears on her face and she asks. "Do you wanna have sex?"
I don't think there was a deeper point other than having some comedic relief.
@@jasonm2245 I figured it was because they were stuck in there for a few hours with nothing to do, and she figured out he had a thing for her. So why not?
@@Scyth0r it's the nuclear wasteland. Unless you're walking all day, being idle for a few hours is a daily occurrence
@@jasonm2245in the wasteland you have to be constantly looking at your surroundings, always on edge for possible dangers. Vault 4 was the first time Max and Lucy were in relative safety.
The scene where lucy asks if maximus wants to have sex, it is because she came from a vault that values reproduction, since they're breeding stock for vault 31. They learn what sex is and practice since childhood. She said that "playing with your cousins is okay when they're young". They are even tested regularly for fertility
I must've missed all of that background
@@0dirtylmao how could you forget the bit in episode one where Lucy’s cousin keeps thirsting after her. 😂
I think that maximus' side of the awkward conversation would make sense due to the brotherhood likely not giving high quality sex education due to the whole... cult thing. And Lucy being from a vault where matters like sperm count are discussed openly wouldn't have a social expectation to not be as open as she is. Imo it makes sense for them to have an interaction that... cringe-worthy
I believe I raised this exact point in a previous video, well, the Lucy side at least.
Glad I’m not the only one who came to this conclusion.
Considering the BoS rarely allowed outsiders to become members they'd need to replace losses which makes Maximus not being that knowledgeable about sex/reproduction (not even knowing about an erection) very strange
These points are pretty obvious and it’s strange that Oxhorn keeps missing this
Yeah, a couple of points in his video here are a bit off. E.g the '80 volunteers' probably weren't test subjects. They probably were really scientists, and when they were stuck in the vault during the apocalypse, they just started with the planned way of testing by kidnapping teat subjects.
@@thestanleys3657 Oh it gets worse. The Institute did have one legit concern - genetic damage caused by the bombs hence the original motive for kidnapping Shaun. So what does that have to do with BoS? Well you wrote it yourself. They rarely accepted outsiders which raises the question how did they keep the numbers up? Only reason that can make sense is incestual relationships. Even Lucy's Vault admitted that was a problem for them hence the marrying of outsiders before genetic damage happened. Then there is the apparent segregation of male and female recruits in the TV show BoS. Now for obvious reasons that can be a good thing. . .for awhile. . .BUT. . .if the two sexes aren't introduced to one another at some point then the interest in the other and reproduction won't happen much.
14:50 I took the way Maximus was talking wasn't about the gas but the fact that he was a child when the brotherhood took him in so he never got "the talk" from his parents and there is no way the brotherhood was teaching them sex ed, so unless one of the other initiates went out of the way to teach him he wouldn't know much and it's more likely the initiates that mostly kicked his ass would tell him something like "it gets hard and pops" to mess with him.
I'm assuming you were a kid once, or maybe are now. Did you learn everything you know about sex from school? He had at least 1 friend, there would be discussion at a minimum. As for the Brotherhood not teaching them, It's a cult. If there's one thing cults teach, it's how to grow their numbers. Even assuming this isn't the same Brotherhood chapter from NV who disapproved of Veronica because of her "proclivities," they would at least want their member to know the basics.
@@LifesGuardian Yes, he could learn in a cult about sexed, but not all the bells and whistles. It will be limited to keep them in line for what they want.
I would highly suspect the Brotherhood would couple you and you wouldn't choose yourself. That would be my guess.
In order for that to happen, they want you to not know or be fearful of the event so you don't think about another in your chapter distracting you from your job.
It's exactly what happened at my school when they said "well to be 100% sure you won't get an STI, is to not have sex or any feelings whatsoever with a girl".
Some boys will go "oh f off" and be rebellious, others will take that to heart and not have sex until they are well into their 20s. :)
ah, the 60s.
@@METALFREAK03 "Yes, he could learn in a cult about sexed, but not all the bells and whistles. It will be limited to keep them in line for what they want."
You're assuming that they consider the male anatomy "bells and whistles." I assure you they do not. When I said basics, I meant they'd explain his anatomy, what happens to it, and where he needs to put it to make a baby. Women's anatomy I could buy him being ignorant about, his own, not a chance. He knew to call it a *Ahem* after all. Even then, that's a stretch because they have doctors who would know about anatomy from autopsies and scribes from books.
"I would highly suspect the Brotherhood would couple you and you wouldn't choose yourself. That would be my guess."
No, the Brotherhood does not arrange relationships. Otherwise, Veronica wouldn't have dated another woman for the other members of the chapter to disapprove of.
"In order for that to happen, they want you to not know or be fearful of the event so you don't think about another in your chapter distracting you from your job."
Fraternization interfering with the job I could understand. For example, 2 Paladins or 2 scribes, because if either of them got promoted, they'd have significant influence on the career of the other. However, splitting the difference doesn't seem to be a problem. In NV Veronica mentions her father being a paladin and her mother a scribe. This way, neither can interfere with the career of the other. As for interference with their job, most militaries have rules about engaging in sex while on missions. I'd imagine it'd be something like that.
"It's exactly what happened at my school when they said ""well to be 100% sure you won't get an STI, is to not have sex or any feelings whatsoever with a girl""."
The problem with this analogy is that your school had a vested interest in their students not having children. The Brotherhood does not. In fact, I can imagine the opposite being true considering how distrustful the Brotherhood is of "outsiders." They do not recruit outside of their order, except for the main character, specifically because of it. Even on the east coast when Elder Lyons broke from the west, they still did not. Again, except for the MC.
"Some boys will go ""oh f off"" and be rebellious, others will take that to heart and not have sex until they are well into their 20s."
I don't see this being a problem in the Brotherhood. Well, except for the abstaining until 20's part. Again, the Brotherhood would want their members to have kids, your school did not. STD's would be feared, sure, but with such a small pool of "breeding stock" and their views on "outsiders" I doubt that it would be a common occurrence since contracting such a disease would all but guarantee to reveal the illicit activity you engaged in while on mission. That, I would imagine would be punished severely given how easily transmissible they are and how often such infections can lead to sterility or death.
@@LifesGuardianhis one friend is non-binary though, and might not have the same genitals as him. Which would mean they wouldn't know anymore than he did about how his genitals work. I learned a lot of my sex-ed from the internet because my school's sex-ed sucked, and they don't have the internet anymore in fallout.
@@LifesGuardian that is a lot of faith that the brotherhood cares about it's cattle, they've shown several times in the show that this brotherhood doesn't give a shit about the initiates, they are meat for the meat grinder, assuming they would teach them anything other than what they are looking for is a big leap given what THIS brotherhood does
My take on their weird conversation is that Maximus has a very low charisma, and being raised by the brotherhood likely meant no sex education. Lucy talked about sex very openly in the first episode and about "cousin stuff" and is clearly very comfortable with casual sex, and she likes Maximus. Being on opposite ends of this spectrum makes for a very strange interaction.
Having head cannon to explain an unexplained scene or character behavior in a show is an example of bad writing in said show…
@CitizenPoe two very different characters, have funny interactions. It's not head cannon
@@CitizenPoe or it's called having the slightest bit of analytical skill and not having every single plot point spoon fed to u but alright
I love how even when Hawthorne is literally about to die, he still insists that the best way to create a society is to have be run by scientists.
If the show were real, I would agree. In the fallout universe though, all scientists have zero morals
I only just realized how proud the overseer must be of his great uncle was the one to kill the awful original overseers. Maybe that’s why he’s overseer? Because his ancestor was the one to kill the evil ones?
Also, don’t forget the shady sands are the decedents of vault 15 and they created the NCR. And both were societies with different peoples, classes and creeds.
I think it's weird how so many people don't realize that the sex discussion was supposed to be embarrassing and cringe-inducing.
And it actually reveals a lot about Maximus and the Brotherhood. Lucy and Vault 33, too. Vault 33 residents are very casual about sex because they have a very deliberately sex positive culture.
yeah, and oxhorn constantly whining about it is infuriating at this point.
@@tegrideeespecially at his big age
They are supposed to be having kids for the Vault, so it makes sense they would be casual about it.
@@richardarriaga6271 Yes, but even beyond that, their society is seemingly okay with incestuous relationships so long as there's no reproduction.
They're very sex-positive, which surprised me since this is a video game IP. I really hope that going forward, Bethesda is less afraid to delve into mature themes like this.
@@jessep5280they probably won't use writing like this anymore considering how many people, like ox, seem to have no understanding of it at all. Fallout fans aren't nearly as smart as the writers of the show, yet clearly the fans don't feel that way.
Mind you I can one hundred percent see this in a game where Ox falls through the trapdoor but he's his usual self being a chem-addicted power armor wielding madman who actively hunts for any working terminals to find lore. Which is sorta horrifying but also sorta hilarious.
(points shotgun at overseer) "GIVE ME YOUR TERMINAL ACCESS!"
"Okay, okay, Mr. Boxhorn!"
Probably Mr Bighorner, Overseer Jerry seems to have a thing about named people after animals.
This made me laugh harder than it should have
The whole "cock explosion" dialog thing is weird yes. But remember these are two characters, one raised in a vault to be breeding stock, and the other a man raised to be more of a cog in the tech gathering machine instead a normal and well adjusted person.
He also was relentlessly bullied so idk if he had any positive interaction with Females. His Rizz count is in the negatives tho that's for sure
Watching Maximus walking down the hallway menacingly makes realize that you need to quick save every time you do something stupid.
the gulper looks like a radiated axolotl with human features
Because it is.
I must confess, I was IMMEDIATELY suspicious of everyone in Vault 4 and I apologise to them for that.
As for the whole test subject thing appearing in the commercial, I've two theories:
1: Vault Tec's Censoring Department missed it whilst scrutinising the takes to ensure nothing "iffy" ended up in the commercial, leading to someone later getting fired
2: Vault-Tec was aware of it and just didn't care, remarking "When the siren starts sounding, those fools will probably sell their Grandmother to get in, regardless of what they think they saw or heard in our commercials...."
Knowing Vault-Tec it was mos definitely the latter. Vault-Tec had no Filter, didn't care or dared to do the unspeakable.
@timothyharris1125 Same moralistic code as the Neighbourhood Watch Association from Hot Fuzz, murdering people and claiming "It's all for the greater good.."
I mean, you aren't wrong to be suspicious of people in a vault. Playing through the games, most of the vaults are dangerous.
I assumed it was because it was a vault experiment openly ran pre war as the commercial stated i mean everyone would be classified as a test subject given that context.
Due to how shady Vault Tec was... there might be more vaults "off the books"
That would be hard to hide however. The numerical name system inherently implies the existence of Vaults with prior Numbers. If you lived in Vault 101, I bet the discussion of Vaults with Numbers 100 to 1 comes up a lot.
Some Vaults were well hidden while others we're in Plain view of the Public. Vault 19 is hidden underground in a manhole cover in a parking lot, where as Vaults 3, 76 or 51 are basically built on the side of mountains or have a whole front door with the number in your face in large font.
I love this idea because that would mean more possible Fallout games in the future!
It should be noted that the Gulper in the show seems to be based on the Axolotl due to its pink skin tone, overall shape and the whisker-like appendages on the side of the head. I don't know enough about them to know if they're radiation resistant or if they're known for consuming their parents or what the inside of their mouth looks like, but it certainly creates a unique and engaging design for the creature. I also like that the lack of teeth means it can't chew food and thus has to gulp its food down whole using its mouth fingers.
It seems obvious now but I never thought the name of Gulpers to be a literal description. I thought it was just a colourful way of saying they're ravenous.
I've just realized that the overseer is actually Jerry, from "Rick&Morty". No wonder he was so quirky. But this puts a dilemma: from the games, we know that vault 13 and 14 are close to Shady Sands, yet, there's no mention of them. I know the plot moves forward, but as a fan of the 1st 2 games, I'm intrigued about what happened to them.
In the game Shady Sands isn’t close to LA, or Santa Monica either. It’s quite a bit north of those locations, and in turn Vault 4. Not sure why the show put Shady Sands so close to LA
@@eriksand9262 I mean, at first, I thought vault 4 was 14 and kind of made sense for the "mutated residents", as the experiment was the vault door was broken. But by the end of F2, I understood that vault 14 was integrated to Shady Sands (NCR , as it was called in the game). So, if a catastrophic event happened, how come they didn't go to vault 14? It was refurbished by the NCR and functional, as Tandy was looking forward to annex it.
But I don't want to be a weirdo that nitpicks the series. I just have issues in the plot that bother me.
Would be pretty sicc if they visit v13, and theres a skeleton of "an overseer" outside the door, lmao
@@zCREz agree. Especially, if they go there because of a "water chip" issue.
I just realised that too! :)
Hell yeah!! Loving these show lore videos. Vault 4’s overseer was one of my favourite characters in the show next to Goosey.
Love the implied running gag of him naming people after animals 😂
He's also Cyrill Figgus from Archer and Jerry Smith from Rick and Morty. His actors name is Chris Parnell
@@mikeyplays9677 And Dr. Leo Spaceman from 30 rock. Who I think is a lot like the overseer from an alternate timeline.
So technically the current vault 4 is more hospitable and merciful than the post war vault tec?
That's putting it mildly.
Looking at the West Coast Gulper again, you can see in some shots of it trying to climb up on the dock that it has 5 digits on each forelimb. The middle three are the longest, and all of them look opposable. Like each digit is segmented and bendable at multiple points
I‘m from Germany and just realized that Benjamin is played by Chris Parnell, who voices Jerry in Rick and Morty, makes me appreciate the cast even more 😅
I thought of Cyril from Archer and immediately started trying to imagine how Archer would dunk on him for being a cyclops.
When Maximus tried to save Lucy he was the definition of I woke up and chose violence after Lucy asked if Maximus could stay but after what he did they were like "I'm sorry but he can't stay either!" I have a bad feeling that Maximus will tell the brotherhood of steel about vault 4 after what Lucy told him she saw!
Get the feeling Maximus is going to be flipflopping between allegiance to the BoS and friendship(love?) with Lucy.
@@chadharger9323 the brotherhood learns about Lucy and they want to know what vault she came from so they can take the resources and technology and stop what evil experiment they are conducting their!
I'm not so sure about that. Maximus was obviously having doubts about BoS mission statement.
The odd behavior of Lucy and Max in the quarantine area could be explained by a slow introduction of aerosolized chems. Something that could render them more placid or, as you said, a libido enhancer. The rest is chalked up to their personal experiences with sex talks; Lucy's Vault treating fertility numbers as a matter of fact versus Max being raised to live (and die) for the Brotherhood's ideals.
The overseer's behaviors in particular could be a consequence of some past experiments, as you said. I like the idea that he's the overseer because he has a family history, and probably because of his simple and childlike mental state. A bit of a liability for taking care of chems and machinery, but great as a friendly face to greet newcomers long enough to direct them to Birdie.
I found the scene between Maximum and Lucy talking about having sex. I found the awkwardness of it very comical.
I think the sex conversation was just supposed to be cringy. Lucy is shown to be very candid about sexual relations. Her introductory scene is about her interviewing to go to bone town like she's trying to win a job. Sex is something practical to Lucy and she's isolated and bored, and clearly liked it despite how her first time panned out. Maximus on the other hand is our boy with the idiot savant perk. He grew up in a society that probably doesn't put that much focus on sex and intimate relationships. While it's not stated in the current era of the West Coast or East Coast brotherhood it's been generally implied that only knights and up (and their equivalent on the scribe side) get to rear families. You never hear about scouts, initiates, or squires having families, and this cold be due to age, but I think the BoS who like to live in bunkers would put a premium on space. Maximus is shown to be very ignorant or the birds and le bees. So it's really just bored Lucy unromantically propositioning ignorant Maximus.
Exactly. breeding is a practical matter in a vault designed to last centuries and so in a vault, it is discussed very openly and frankly.
The raider is not evem her first sexual experience lol. 32 and 33 are experiments for breeding of 31 hence their sexual priorities of procreation and strict rules against inbreeding.
@@josephg.3771 "dry humping" is not sexual experiences.
@METALFREAK03 I disagree that dry humping is not sexual experience. If you can get pregnant from it, then it most definitely is sexual experience. The friction is just coming from elsewhere.
okay but why was the conversation even there it was just random like they made it so when max brings it up to be funny it was just random
Fun fact: the Japanese VA of the Overseer of Vault 4 (the Cyclops dude) is the one who did DIO in the Jojo series
Chris Parnell from snl. He's pretty funny, I hope he's in season 2 somewhere.
@@JReed7560 I said VA which means voice actor.
He is also zero figus from archer
Cyril figgus and also Jerry the dad in Rick and Morty @mitchelryan9282
There is NO JAPANESE VA for the overseer. That’s Chris Parnell and that’s his real voice. Chris Parnell VAs in Archer and Rick & Morty.
I think Maximus was just shocked that she was so forthcoming with wanting sex that it caused him to have a brain fart. He's not exactly a charismatic type.
His Charisma stats are horrendously low.
loving these fallout tv show lore episodes!!!! Thanks once again OX!!!!!!!!
In terms of the "weird" dialogue, I've always thought it wasn't out of place, just a little hard to understand. Maximus grew up in an entirely or largely male society, while Lucy gew up in a vault that valued education, scientific thinking etc. From this perspective, its not too hard for me to imagine that Maximus's idea of sex would be more immature, and outright incorrect, as no one where he comes from fully understands it anyways, and lucy, I'm sure, doesn't come from a vault where having sex/kids is seen as a taboo, bad thing, like we see in the first episode, talking about sex is such an open thing between vault dwellers, which is why she carries on the conversation with Maximus like nothing weird was happening
Hey Oxhorn, I binged all your videos back when Fallout 4 was out. You were my go to. It’s good to be back.
I have one more theory about the refugees from Shady Sand, Vault 4 and Moldaver. As we know that Moldaver was a pre-war scientist that originally work on the cold-fusion technology but we didn't know about how did she survived the war and lived to 2295, my theory is that she was abducted as a 'test subject' of Vault 4 but she didn't get experimented and got locked up in cryogenic chamber. Around 2270~2277 (before Shady Sands 'fall'), Vault 4 dwellers check her up and realised that Moldaver is still normal and released her out from slumber. Moldaver then move up to the surface and found the thriving civilisation of NCR, she joined NCR as a government official and sky-rocketly rose into the ranks. When Vault-Tec nuked NCR, Moldaver led survivors back to Vault 4, some joined Birdy and lives in the Vault while some others joined Moldaver as the Shady Sands reconstruction authority.
This would explained why Shady Sands survivors worshiping Moldaver as their saviour and why Moldaver is still alive without being ghoulified.
Not a bad theory. I am thinking something similar, except the abducted part. I think she bought a spot in a vault just in case nukes dropped, and vault tec instructed the original Overseer to put her in cryo and never wake her up. Once the residents rebelled, they themselves thawed her to either help overthrow the Overseer or to just free her once they did. The rest with her leaving and discovering NCR and helping survivors reach the vault is an awesome theory.
8:28 Reason why IRB is irritating yet necessary
I love how Vault 4 just sticks out in the middle of Boneyard and The Master didn't see it.
On the weird conversation between Maximus and Lucy, I think there's another thing that explains it. It seems like Sex Ed isn't something the Brotherhood taught Maximus, which makes sense in my eyes. They're soldiers, and they don't want them sleeping around during their studies. Plus, Vault Dwellers have very different views of sex and relationships, since they're all about continuing civilization.
Dude, if the BOS didn't sleep with each other, they would have died off. It is extremely rare for the BOS to take in outsiders from the wastes on the west coast
@@jvazacas I'm not saying they never sleep with each other. Just that teaching it isn't a priority. If shit happens, shit happens. But they just don't do much to keep members from being distracted.
The Gulper of the Series reminds me more of an mutated axolotl with fingers in the mouth.
That's because it is an axolotl but all salamanders are considered as gulpers in the fallout universe, just like all mutated crustrations are categorized as mire lurks.
I thought the Show Gulper (which was derived from a Axolotl) because they were born from humans, so they had partial human DNA, causing human finger-mouths and human hands.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 so basically the only thing in common that east coast gulpers and west coast gulpers have is they are both based on amphibians, just like the only thing all mirelurks have in common are they are all based on, evolved from crustasions. The east coat gulpers evolved from hellbender salamanders in the wild, thebes coast ones were created by splicing salamander dna into human babies.
Salamander and newt baby's look just like an axolotl. The thing that makes the axolotl special is that it reproduces without ever growing lungs.
@@jamesbenthul4590 also its even reported that sometimes an axolotl will transform into a salamander.
I feel like the “weird dialogue” in room 604 was rather in keeping with both characters, as far as what was said. Regarding why it was said, it might as well be chalked up to just how long they were in there.
Vault 4 is what The Covenant think they were
Vault 4 is definitely one of the more unique vaults and it’s probably going to take some adjusting compared to just being out in the wastelands, but I think even I would want to live in vault 4
Lucy's and Maximus' cringey sex conversation could easily be explained by their backgrounds. It is not out of character. You don't need the gas explanation.
Lucy: Grew up in a vault where the residents are "breeders" for Bud's buds. Was groomed from an early age to be sexually open, had a lot of sex education, experimented sexually with her cousin. Pretty open about sex. She's said cringey things about sex previously. When she marries Monty, she immediately asks him his sperm count. When he doesn't know how to answer her, she goes on and on about it until she is stopped by Stephanie Harper, who has more etiquette on a question like that being from 2077.
Maximus: Very ignorant on all things sex. BoS probably did not educate them at all on sex. Because the BoS primary goal is the gain technology, and to be loyal to the brotherhood, they probably shamed anything sexual. In the barracks Maximus sees a guy masturbating and turns around in disgust.
Further, if their inhibitions were loosened by the gas, why was Maximus so uncomfortable with a proposition for sex? They weren't. If his inhibitions were loosened by horny gas, he would have had sex with Lucy. Instead, he was resistant, guarded, and uncomfortable, the opposite of loosened inhibitions!!!
I love watching your analyses, Oxhorn, but you really miss the ball with this one.
I think another thing Vault 4 shows is how being on the surface had forever changed how Lucy views the world. She’s way more distrusting of others and actively questioning the authorities in charge. She can never go back to vault 33 after this and is forever changed due to her experiences on the surface.
Ox, i dont think the gas did anything to em.
I didnt find it cringy. My friends who watched it, also didnt think it was cringe, either.
It was a funny moment, meant to be taken as a funny moment.
I was always wondered about those kids in the commercial,. I mean their parents were killed by the people they experimented on.. So what do you do with the kids? Benjamin might be sufferings from inbreeding issues or that the experiments lowering the subjects intelligence .
It is a bit heart breaking if you think about the fact Birdie might have know Maximus as they were residents in Shady Sands together and possibly have meet Lucy.
A little thing I noticed in Vault 4. It's FISH themed. They have caviar, oysters, fish tanks, ocean view art and stylized fish wallpaper in the rooms. Even the TV is showing waterfalls! I thought it was a little nod to what the scientists were doing - making... weird fish people/gulpers!
im pretty sure Lucy just approaches sex casually. i mean she brought up sperm count minutes after getting married. and maximus likely grew up without any real form of sex education, so.
Sex in Lucy's vault doesn't at all seem to be taboo. Useful when you're everyone's cousin I guess.
As for Maximus. I don't think the Brotherhood ever had sex-ed in their curriculum. Especially considering the East-coast Era Brotherhood has a plethora of recruits and doesn't need to resort to natural means for member replacement.
Im pretty sure the "Gulper" is actually an Axolotl. Axolotl's would make the most sense here because they look the same, and Axolotl's have a high resistance to cancer (1000 times higher than other mammals) which makes them extremely resistant to radiation.
Yeah makes sense, your prepping with genetics for a nuke war...yeah make sense to drag in things that habe that triat.
21:16 this little montage of how happy Maximus was in the vault makes me so sad knowing how the season ended. He really wanted to just have some peace 🥺
Anyone remember that crazy Fallout 4 mod that featured another Vault 4 with a crazy cult surrounding it? That one was awesome
I honestly thought this was about that tbh.
I haven’t watched the show yet.
Fourville. Great mod.🤘
@@GideonGrimmGamingwhy not go watch it NOW
With the Overseerer it's probably they put him there more as a figurehead, while "Birdy" is actually running the Vault. (Kinda like they have done in other shows where the "leader" is an idiot but there 2nd in command is smart.)
Question: do you think House also experimented in the provided vaults like with other companies or he realise how pointless it is, and just put his attention with his anti nuclear air defence system?
I honestly find it hilarious just how much the vault 4 episode tried to show it to be a typical fallout vault and it just turns out it’s just eccentric and full of delightful weirdos
I love how Hawthorne was so arrogant that he had to do his monolog/video log and left his wife to
A: not only defend them both
B: get eaten first
So in another universe Jerry Smith is a cyclops Overseer of Vault 4?🤔
Outrageous.😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
This is such a brilliant move making their series based on Fallout. Such a fantastic amount and quality of lore, you could do 25 seasons. Easy.
14:45 Also worth mentioning, it seems like Lucy and other residents in her vault simply used secc as something casual to relieve themselves, and ofc this combined with "honry chems" and being knocked out... yeah. =P
Weird as that dialogue might've come across, I actually thought the idea was quite refreshing. Even on her wedding day, you see that Lucy has a positive and open outlook on her sexuality, which is really nice to see. She's still the bright-eyed, naive and somewhat more inocent character. The "Good Karma" character, if you may. And its really nice to see a story where a female character being "good" does not equate "virginal". That was the trend in stories for far too long, where female characters who were positive in their attitude toward their own sexuality were either punished for it in the narrative, or "mended their ways and settled down". Lucy being kind, smart and sex-positive all in one was refreshing, and I liked it.
I kinda wonder if the east and west coast gulpers have the same sort of origin, if they were both the result of Vault Tec experiments. The west coast using local axolotl while the east was using local salamanders, both to study the effects of radiation though clearly different paths to that with the west straight up using human DNA (and human test subjects) to achieve their goals while the east coast seem far less human if human at all.
I think the dialogue in the intake room was fine. Maximus being clueless makes sense and was pretty funny. And Lucy has an open mind and standards that are different from our own. Think about how she talks to Chet at the start of the show about “cousin stuff” or how she immediately jumps that raiders bones on her wedding night. I just don’t think “doing the deed” is that taboo in their world. Her initial suggestion to Maximus reminded me of her repeated line “okey dokie!”
And what else are you supposed to do in there while you wait? Lol
1. Lucy never had any hangups about sex to begin with. We see that on her "wedding night" back in Vault 33 when, right at the dinner table, she asks the guy she supposedly just married what his sperm count was. Or, by the way she just got right down to business the moment she turned around and saw that the guy had already taken his clothes off. The people in Lucy's Vault were probably more open about reproduction due to the exchange program they had going with the other vaults they were connected to for so long.
2. Maybe the thing with Maximus isn't that deep. Maybe the Brotherhood just isn't all that good at training their younger recruits in the finer points of intimacy. So it stands to reason that Maximus wouldn't know much about sex, or the fact that his genitals are actually _supposed_ to work that way.
do you think Walton Goggin's was turned in to a ghoul in a vault experiment?
If so likely candidate vault 12 aka necropolis
When Lucy says something about how the Radiation was the cause for his character to turn into a Ghoul. He responds with “something like that.” So it’s possible.
@eriksand9262 yea that's where I got the idea from to also that maybe where they got the knowledge from of the stuff that stops them turning
@eriksand9262 yes, but when she drinks that irradiated water and she asks what are you, he responds with well I'm you sweetheart, just give it time. This makes me think it was strictly radiation. He knew Vault Tec was evil by the time the bombs dropped. His wife divorced him and Vault Tec branded him a communist sympathizer. First episode he was called pinko and the remark he is doing kids parties to pay for alimony proves this. Why would he even step into a vault with that knowledge?
The show's gulper looks like an axolotl _🦎😂_
19:04
Just FYI, Birdie is a perfectly normal name. It's not super common today, but it was pretty common a generation or two ago. I personally know a woman by that name.
I highly suggest calling the number for vault tech from that commercial. Real number that they rented and the results are hilarious
Showrunners:"We need to build a set of vault 4, with at least 1 test subject chamber"
Oxhorn: "Its the same test chamber we saw in before the war ad!"
18:10 wait you mean to tell me that's the gulper we seen already in the show is his great uncle Peter???? More or less
Yes...but I don't think it means exactly what we think...
I don't personally think a full grown human became a gulper...but more so...the pack/school of fish was all his family members in a sense thru birth.
@@SuperCaspermanit’s literally stated that the full grown one is his uncle Peter (in the lab). Meaning the one in the wild is not. It’s also a separate experiment because presumably “uncle” means a man, not an impregnated woman. Vault 4 did multiple experiments.
I propose the theory that Overseer Benjamin is a figurehead. He's likable, upbeat, enthusiastic. Exactly the traits you want in a figurehead.
I think the weird sex dialogue fits the two weird characters without needing to bring the vault into it. Lucy was raised to be a breeder, and she finally found a viable candidate. Maximus is an complete idiot raised by a cult that discourages anything that doesn't promote loyalty to the Brotherhood. Lucy is perfectly in character, as is maximus without needing any other influence. It just feel awkward because Maximus is so incredibly stupid, An Idiot Savant with a 1 Int.
If Fallout ever has a dance team it should be called Ox and the Oxettes 🐂 🕺 🪩 💃 🐂
I like your theory about the arouser/sleeping gas a lot. This makes the scene much more watchable.
14:43....no... experiments have stopped in vault 4 all together besides keeping them alive/checking on them I guess until they can figure something out
How do you even solve that like...bunch of pregnant ladys in frozen in cryo and each one have ready to pop out a swarm of killing mechines or anything new they where trying out explians why the doc freaked out at a small noise i would if that was my working conditions.
I think the akward sex conversation can be explained by both of them being from wildly different cultures and also Maximus failing the speech check and saying stuff out of pocket just like in the games
14:47 maybe its a joke about how the player character is Always trying to sleep with their companions pretty much Every time the dialog option is there? Lol
Im pretty sure the weird lucy maximus convo just showcases how low maximus’ charisma is, and also he is kind of meant to refrain from that sort of stuff because he’s meant to be fully dedicated to the brotherhood
I've been waiting for you to do a video on Vault 4, thank you Oxhorn
i've been binging your videos my whole shift, awesome content
Best summary videos on the internet come from this channel. Have a great day everyone!
Definitely is an awkward conversation but Lucy was raised to have kids be a wife and mother to help with reclamation of the surface maximus was raised like a monk
I like how in Vault 4 you are not executed for doing something not good you are just forced to leave they even give you some food and drinking supplies to help you survive the wasteland even though they kind of expect that you would die immediately or just a little bit later out there in the wasteland. To me THIS is the best Vault
Excellent video! Thanks for doing this one! The Vault 4 experiment makes a lot more sense now. 👍
I agree with your take that Vault 4 is a beautiful thing.
In a way it’s a rejection of Vault-Tec’s plans and ideology. Instead they created their own society and is a true refuge.
For a being with 3 eyes, the Master sure is blind to four primo Vaults just sitting out in the open within 5 feet of his front lawn.
13:28 this still kills me😂😂😂😂
The like fish there. Wallpaper, food, unethical experiments. Everything fish.
It makes me wonder who exactly those Oysters were related to...
oxhorn i have a question. Do you know if any of the vaults were hit by the bombs or we wont likely see due to changes in geography? because i think there is likely at least one
Vault 87 in Fallout 3, the door is intact and remains sealed but lies within one of the (if not the single) most radioactive locations in the game.
As a result your forced to enter through Little Lamplight to avoid the Radiation, important part of the main quest line.
@@o.k.productions5202 I was thinking more vaults that are just gone or we won't ever be able to see. We could still get into that one but I'm thinking was there a vault that has no hope of being able to be entered a normal way or at all. Like one of they got hit by a nuke or one that got buried and there is no way in or out anymore
I always look forward to his lore videos every Saturday and i hope we get the next faction video from fallout 4
If you call that number in the commercial it plays a recording of a guy screaming.
Dude I love these fallout stories from him keep up the great work dude
I have that same bowl Maximus eats popcorn out of. Its PYREX made in the 50's. Best thriftshop find ever. I love that bowl
Oxhorn you seem to be privy to some of the coolest fallout information! I'm glad that you are telling the story because you have great talent
The volunteers did know. Then said they were doing to be living in the vault before the bombs dropped. The bombs were dropped while they were volunteering to live in the vault.
Those kids in the commercial were murdered by monsters...good parents
Thank you so much for all of the recent Fallout content after the show. Much appreciated
Hey man, youre weirdly fixated on that lucy/maximus scene.
Lucy was shown in the first episode to have a very casual view of sex, she was attracted to max, and they were stuck in that room and were bored. Bored people have sex.
It was weird because Maximus was raised in a religious cult that apparently shuns sex to the point that theres absolutely no sex education.
Their experience, knowledge and expectations are at complete odds, of course it was weird and awkward.
When are you going to release a playlist for your "lived-in" settlement builds for Fallout 4? I went back to watch them only to find that they're jumbled together, which is rather aggravating to say the least.