32bit float Tascam Portacapture X8 vs 24bit Zoom H6
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2022
- Testing out the semi-New Tuscan Portacapture X8 recorder against the Zoom H6.
Is 32-Bit Float audio really worth it and should you be using it?
Here are my thoughts.
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Best and most informative review on the difference between these two I’ve seen! Killer job. Thanks.
Really appreciate that brotha ! 🙏🏾 appreciate you taking the time to check it out and drop a comment! 🙌🏾
this is the simplest video describing the whole 24 vs 32 bit issue. Thanks!!
No problem! Appreciate you checking out the channel!
Nice work! Really appreciate you demonstrating the difference between the two.
Thanks man! Really appreciate you checking out the video!🙏🏾
+1, the demonstration was brief but perfectly demonstrated the point instead of showing redundant wikipedia graphs of what bit depth and quantization is (like some other youtube videos did)
Appreciate the feedback! 🙏🏾
Thank you for demonstrating the differences - I've heard explanations, but actually seeing and hearing it being done A/B style was very helpful
Yessir! Appreciate you checking out the video 🙏🏾
Wow, this was the greatest demo of 32 bit float vs 24 bit I have seen! Other people just talk about it or show quite bad recording examples. You rock! :)
Thanks man! Means a lot for real!🙏🏾 appreciate you checking out the content!
Thanks - great review and now I really get 32 bit Floating Point! And no preset bias - appreciated.
My pleasure ! Glad I was able to help you understand it! 32Bit Float is a game changer!
Sold. Thank you for such a straightforward comparison. Can't wait to get the X8. However, I have enjoyed the ZoomH6 for 8 years.
Zoom makes great products. I would have loved to stay with Zoom but the X8 was appealing to me more so because ofn32-bit float. But now zoom has come with the f3 and f6 which I would probably have looked to those rather than the x8 but all are great
Best 24 bit vs 32 bit test I've seen and heard up to this point. I scored big time an H6 with two mics, 3 meter extension and other accessories but you're selling me on this Tascam product. I need the DJI wireless setup though before anything else. Thanks mate.
That’s awesome! And thanks man! That 32 bit float is game changing !
32 bit float. is not the same 32bit
Rode wireless pro has just hit with 32bit float
This got me amped in going with the Tascam 🔥 appreciate the review. Solid points!
Let’s goo!! Appreciate you checking out the page bro! 🙏🏾🤙🏾
@@quayvision of course bro 🙏🏾
Excellent video! You were very detailed and the editing is excellent! Keep this quality going! God bless you!
Really appreciate that man. Means a lot that you watched the video and took the time to comment! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@quayvision I've watched a couple times now. Thank for your the real life audio and very detailed information about Tech.
great presentation making it easy to understand the 32-bit advantage 🙏🏼
Appreciate you my guy !! 🙏🏾
Thank you bro. I’m ordering the tascam x8 now
That’s awesome man! You won’t regret that. Love mine!
Thank you! Great review. Looking for something to record live music at campfires while motorcycle camping. I think this might be the way to go. Really great all around video, really well produced too.
Appreciate that man! Super glad this helped you make a decision. Campfire music sounds pretty awesome !
Such an interesting video. Well done. I have a bunch of Zoom recorders and love their sound..would be hard to leave.
Thanks man! And yeah I was a huge Zoom FanBoy but this tascam caught my eye lol.
Zoom products are always going to be dope though!
Great review. I've been loving my X8.
Thanks man!
And yeah, this thing is awesome !
Thank you so much for the great work, very helpful!
That demonstration of recording too distorted was exactly what I was looking for, I especially liked how you showed trying to fix it in post and the sound was still distorted at lower volume or the hissing was more pronounced when bringing up the level of the low gain recording. I was almost going to be a cheapskate and just get the zoom but having the extra "security" of being able to fix a bad recording with the Tascam is worth the extra money to me. Also, I have had zoom products in the past and the ease of operation is not the best, a lot of menu diving. Thanks for the "to the point" review!
Thanks man!
I love the X8 and if you want to save a little. The Tascam X6 is also a good portion for a slight price reduction. You just get the 2 xlr ports instead of 4. But being able to set it and forget it is huge!
Also I agree. The zoom h6 menu system was a nightmare. Tascam is a bit for user friendly but still going to take a slight learning curve but really easy.
Wow, what a pro demo and review, thank you sir!
thanks for the exemples! i am a wedding filmmaker aswell, and the x8 seems really good for weddings
Of course man! Appreciate you checking out the video.
And yeah, the X8 has been game changing for me. I absolutely love mine. !
Very good demonstration of the benefits of 32-bit float.
Thanks man!
Appreciate you checking out the video
Thank you for the demo. Very nice to see and hear there differences.
As a side note, and I don't want to come across as "that guy" but you might have simply misspoken and didn't catch it. 5:48 Quarter twenty is a reference for a thread type. For example a 1/4-20 would refer to the threads on your tripod mount. A 1/4" bolt with a 20 thread per inch count. You may have been referring to a 1/4" phone jack or 1/4" phone plug. Having said that, The H6 I've used does have 1/4" phone jacks. The H6 equipped with 4 Neutrik (like) Combo XLR/1/4" TRS jacks. Just plug it in to the center of those "XLR" jacks and you're good to go. The Tascam also uses the Neutrik-like connectors (they are actually made by ZWEE on the Tascam.
One thing to be careful with when in 32bit float, there will be a bit of drift in audio when syncing with video. additionally, once to capture in 32bit, down sample to 24bit to conform to the 24bit standard and also avoid that sync drift. Oh and file sizes are quite a bit larger in 32bit.
As for the aesthetics, It's subjective for sure. My rig is a bag with me all the time. No one sees it but me.
Yeah definitely miss spoke. Meant qrt inch trs cable and yes, both have it.. idk what I was thinking at the time of recording this. 🤦🏾♂️
And yeah I have noticed a slight drift using 32bit float. Easy fix in post but annoying to deal with nonetheless.
Thanks for calling me out tho! Forces me to be better with my words. Just started out with CZcams I get a bit nervous and just start saying random shit. I need to be better!
Keep making content. @quayvision You're doing a great job. We all learn from each other's experience.
Really solid video and good quality as well.
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for checking it out! 🙏🏾
Great breakdown!
Appreciate that! 🙏🏾
Very helpful, thank you!
Nicely done my man !! 😎
Great review!
Appreciate it man! 🙏🏾
Inteligent !!!!!!!!!!!!! Informative !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appreciate it !! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great review! I have both of these recorders and these are all some of the reasons I love my X8. Also Tascam just recently released a new update that added the zero sum feature for podcasting.
Yeah it’s a dope recorder.. and I didn’t even know a new update came out. Going to look into that and get mine updated asap! Thanks for checking out the video.
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Ah man! I appreciate that bro! 🙏🏾🙏🏾 I’ll take feedback like that all day long ! Haha
Great Review!!! Thank you :)
appreciate you!
@quayvision I bought the H6 and like it a lot so far 😀
Nice comparison. 32 bit float is definitely the way to go for unpredictable audio level inputs. I hope Zoom releases a new H6 with 32 bit float, or an equivalent, as some of us have invested heavily in their versatile proprietary microphone capsule system ( XYH-6 X/Y Mic | MSH-6 Mid-Side Mic | SGH-6 Shotgun Mic | SSH-6 Mid-Side Stereo Shotgun Mic | EXH-6 Dual XLR/TRS Input Expansion ) for field recording.
Yeah I have a feeling zoom will be coming with a 32-bit float zoomH version. The f3 and f6 are super popular . I’d actually looking into a new zoomh6 with 32-bit float. I like zoom products
Nice Video!
Thank you ! 🙏🏾🤙🏾
Wow this is like Jpeg vs RAW, badass man!
That is a Perfect comparison! And thanks man!
great video!
Wow thanks for this video
My pleasure! Appreciate you checking it out!🙏🏾
Nice review bro. You’ve helped me decide what I’m gonna go with out of an increasingly long list of digital recorders.
BTW, what are you using for video editing? Premier, and/or something else? I’m looking for something in that arena too and I’m liking the various pop-ups and SFX I’m seeing. 👌🏾
awesome ! Appreciate that man.
And I’m using Premiere Pro.
But most of the graphics and sfx I’m using can also be used across other platforms as well I believe.
Doesn’t matter too much which one you go with, it’s mostly about your style and how comfortable you are with the system itself
Premiere was one of the more popular ones when I got started so I jumped on and just stuck with it
@@quayvision Seen, nice one bro. Noted. I’ve had to roll back my OS in order to keep my version of CS6 still working so will have a look at what I can add to it.
Keep up the good work. 👊🏾
X8 audio look more clean and definitely editable important to me if u record vocal. H6 is good also but I don’t like processing my vocal just raw or little bit eq 24 vs 32 bit float.
Great video. I own the H6, F3, F8nPro and the X8 as well as some others. All are fantastic recorders; which one I love most is impossible to say, all depends on my mood and ergonomics. I think the X8 is nearly perfect, except some reliability issues. It's strength is versatility. It has a variety of inputs and connectors, it can act as a mixer, a podcast console, it has DSP effects... But it is less comfy when you want to use it in a soundbag. If I were forced to keep only one these recorders, it would probably be the X8.
Да, X8 впечатляет
Thanks for the video. Wish there wasn't music to you can actually compare the sound
Noted!
Something to take into account for next time.
Thanks for the feedback! 🙏🏾
Thanks for the video. What mounts are you using for the mics? And how are they connected to the units? Thanks
Of course! Appreciate you checking out the video.
I’m using these basic table stands I got on Amazon:
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And they are just directly plugged into the tascam via xlr cables. Nothing fancy.
Hi. Great video! Which one, or others similar, would you think to be preferable for recording a handpan instrument at a budget no higher than $400 USD? Thank you.
nice review....mosdef x8
appreciate that man! and yeah, I don't regret mine at all!
One thing you didn't mention is how you can use the X8 as an audio interface as well. You can even directly connect it to your iPhone and have it synched to your video and you can use the bluetooth dongle for timecode sync. (you'll need a timecode broadcaster tho). Oh, and you can record in 2 formats at the same time, so you can have one 24bit file and one 32bit file. This makes conversions a thing of the past if your levels are set properly.
I’ll be honest. I didn’t even know it could do any Of that. Gonna have to play with those features. Thanks for that comment man!🤙🏾
the zoom does that too
Something to consider when using 32-bit recorder as an audio interface to record to a DAW is if your DAW can record in 32-bit float. Not all of them can. I think Logic still can't. Also I heard that some DAWs can record 32-bit float but won't be able to correctly normalize the audio if it clips.
Both recorders have TRS (1/4") / XLR inputs and both have 1/4"-20 thread mounts... so not sure what you're saying the H6 doesn't have here...
You’re absolutely right. That’s my mistake!
Благодарю, очень хороший обзор🤝👍
Thank you!!
Appreciate the comment ! 🙏🏾
Glad I watched this, was under the impression the H6 had 32 float. X8 it is. To this date have you had any troubles with the X8?
Yeah only the Zoom F series has 32Bit Float I believe . F3 and F6 I know have it for sure.
But that X8 has been great til this day! No issues at all.
Just make sure to use high quality xlr cables.
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@@Samlol23_drrich you’re awesome man!! Really appreciate that! 🙌🏾🙏🏾
How well would the Zoom H6 record noise when recording outdoors? I need to document/record noise that is produced by an HVAC (Air Conditioner) while it is running. I tried to record the noise with my phone, but the recording is not clear and the recording does not sound like when you hear the noise in person. Should a mic be used with this recorder to capture the noise? If yes, which mic is recommended?
H6 would be great to record those low frequencies but yes I would 100% recommend using a microphone to do so.
And depending on what you’re budget is.. I would personally use a boom mic. Something like a Rose NTG5.
You basically want a directional mic. Not one that will pick up a lot of ambient noise if you’re just trying to pull the ac sounds .
@@quayvision Thank you for response! I like the NTG5, but that is a bit out of my budget. Is there a mic under $200 that would recommend? For example, Zoom SSH-6 Stereo Shotgun Microphone Capsule with Hairy Windscreen with it.
I was wondering if i could use Azden Smx30 on Mono plugged in Tascam X8 for a movie?
I believe you can. Shouldn’t have any problem getting that set up to work. You may need an adapter cable . Either a 3.5mm Female to XLR Male cable or 3.5mm Female to Qrt20 Male cable so you can plug you mic into the X8 .
I think you're right
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now i want 32bit float
Do it !! Game Changer !
Can you talk about your background? I like it a lot
For sure ! I’ll do a video on that soon! Appreciate you checking out the videos! 🙏🏾
Im looking for a new field recorder to use for experimental sound recordings and as an interface. I was going with the H6, but I don’t think I will anymore 🤣
Great video, can i edit 32 bit in audacity?
Appreciate that man!
I personally never used audacity but I’m pretty positive you can.
If you can edit 24in files then you can definitely edit 32Bit-float files.
Of course, I am hearing this Video via CZcams through cheap speakers but the two are very comparable as far as I can tell. Other than the 32 bit advantage. How is battery storage with the Tascam?
Battery isn’t great when using phantom power. Shot a 2hr podcast using fresh batteries and the tascam died right around the 2nd hour.
Will last a lil longer if you aren’t using phantom power.
But I’ve learned my lesson and every time I use it from here out I will have it plugged into ac power via usb-c.
That way you can power it for as long as you want without worrying about it dying. But you do need batteries inside in order to use the AC power but it doesn’t actually use any of the battery. Hope that made sense lol
@@quayvision For me thats an issue. Thanks for the prompt reply
@@MrAtsyhere of course man !
@@quayvision does the H6 can also be powered over usb C? Great video!
Thank you! The H6 can be powered through Phantom Power, but it uses a regular USB, not a USB-C. So you’ll just need one of those older usb cables
How about Zoom F3 vs Tascam X8? They are both 32bit.
Yeah, I talked about it towards the end of the video. I don’t have the F3 so I couldn’t test it but from my understanding, you won’t be able to tell the sound difference between the 2 making the F3 just as good if not better for run&gun creators.
The “1/4 20” inputs you often refer to is a bolt thread size, not an audio input jack. You’re taking about a 1/4 XLR combo jack.
Yeah. I got educated real quick. Lol thanks for humbling me.
But Zoom does have XLR combo jacks. What was the point of that statement?
@@Leemuzhko just offered a correction in terminology.
@@davidpossien3061 Oh, the question wasn't for you. Guy in the video said that zoom doean't have 1/4 jacks. Or did I understand it wrong?
So I shouldn't put SIM cards in my audio recorder?
Having a difficult time finding a review of these devices that doesn't have a music bed on it. Great review, but... why add background music to an audio recorder demo? At the very end, you do turn off the music, and at that point, the difference becomes clear. Does the Zoom H6 really have that much of a noise floor? Hiss city!
I liked the demonstration of 32bit. However, the background music really kills the possibility to compare the sound quality between H6 and X8.
Sir, I bought the new 2020 version Zoom H 6 ,,, and It does not come with a sd card... Can you link down or name which Card and Card Adapter you prefer on zoom H 6 ??? and the storage of sd card you prefer,, I mean is there any limit that I should not use ?
you don't need anything fancy. When I had the H6 I used v30 Sandisk card. I believe I used a 32GB card. you don't need anything too big unless you plan on recording for several hours at a time. 32GB is plenty for the zoom H6
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@@quayvision Sir, I have 3 or 4 extra micro sd cards... can I use Micro SD card adapters to use those sd cards in the H6? will it be okay?
I never tried a micro SD card. Not sure if it will work and even if it does, I wouldn’t rely on that personally. But try it out and see if it works. Doesn’t hurt to try before you buy another SD card.
@@quayvision Another thing,,, is the sd card necessary when I want to use the H 6 as audio Interface between my pc and my phatom powered mke 600 microphone??
@@quayvision pls reply.. I am going for the 64 gb sandisk extreme pro card ... same v30 class , read speed is 200mb/s and write speed is 90mb /s...is it okay?
what is quarter twenty input? Isn't it just quarter?
Yeah I miss spoke .. meant a Quarter inch trs cable
I've never heard quarter inch inputs called "quarter twenty"? Where the heck did you pick that up?
Nevermind, I see your reply to someone else who noticed the same thing below.
Tascam Portacapture X8 VS Zoom R4 Multitrack?
That looks like an interesting recorder. I haven’t tested it let alone know anyone who has .. but I imagine it’s much of the same but maybe I’ll rent it and test it out
Which best?
The X8 is the better recorder
Thanks for the Review
Appreciate you and the comment! 🙏🏾
what sync audio with camera? from adobe premiere big video file ? etc 10 min,18 min and 15 sek and more? problem from day video wedding ? have fuji x t4 , buy zoom f 3 and xlr micr and filming day video. my video and 2 audio road from camera? thanks
Sorry, I’m not completely understanding your question. Can you try to reword it. You’re trying to sync longer videos?
Why would aesthetics be a reason to get a recorder? It's literally all about function and practicality.
It’s important to me. Aesthetics obviously isn’t the only nor the biggest factor but if I’m trying to decide between two different things and all things seem equal. I’m going to go with the one that physically looks better. It’s just how I am.. 🤷🏾♂️🤣
@@quayvision 32-bit float is the differentiator here but fair enough
The bit-rate has nothing to do with the sound quality!
Who ever tells this is someone who has no clue what he/she is talking about!
What is producing the sound quality are the mic's and the pre amps.
You can have an excellent sound quality with good mic's and a top pre amp and a recording of 44,1kHz and 16bit and you can get a horrible sound quality with top mic's and a 32bit recording but using bad pre amps.
And to be honest - standard audio like music and standard voice, especially podcast, does not even need 48kHz and 24bit to sound good.
44,1kHz and 16bit is a great sounding solution for everyone who is not working as a professional sound designer.
The signal chain is
1. The mic!!!
2. The pre amp!
3. The recorder.
Handle your audio in this direction.
A bad mic will ruin every single recording no matter what kind of gear you are using for the recording or processing.
Think about the recorder in the end.
A standard 24bit recorder is good enough for all of you.
No one can hear the difference between a 16 or 32bit recording if there is no distortion.
Which mic and handy recorder would you recommend for field recording nature sounds and voice?
God those Zoom PreAmps are garbage.
Honestly, I never had problems with them
hearing the zoom noise floor every time you switch... Portacapture wins
Always nice when the newer tech outshines the old. lol
but to be honest , H6 low frequency is way better than X8 .......
I think that’s fair
what is low frequency give me an example of a real world case?
Oh just get to the point.
Sounds like your time was wasted watching this video.. it happens but we apologize!
@@quayvision I didn't watch for long. You didn't give me a reason to endure past figuring out how to get bits of an SD card out of the slot.
@@seanwebb605 fair.
As impressive as that test was, it didn't give any points to the Tascam for me. With the backup track always going on the H6, nearly all situations where you accidentally blew out your audio would be fixed with the -12 backup track. And as for 32 vs 24bit audio - there's simply no one on earth that can tell the difference for any social media. The difference would come on the big screen, in which case we'd ask... what are you doing with these tiny things?
It came down to 3 things for me. The Zoom H6 has proven itself worthy. It's been around for how long now? You get just as many review videos from 2020 as you do from 8 years ago. Impressive that it's still being put up against the top dogs in 2023.
The interface and user experience. Cell phones have finally become almost perfect when it comes to touch sensitivity, accuracy, etc., but these devices? Not a chance. Depending on a large touch screen when you don't need to - I am one who doesn't want it.
And then the big one. Build quality. I don't want to drop either one of these... but while the Zoom will likely take a dent, chip off some plastic, it should keep working just fine. Good luck doing anything when you drop that screen on the ground. It's light and feels lower quality than that H6 - by a far margin.
I am using a power bank to power the H6, so battery life is not an issue. The app? Neat but I'm not giving up my cell phone so I can stand across the room. Zoom's got remotes that work just fine if you're in a pinch, but honestly, it just never happens that you can get the mic's where you need them, but can't get yourself to your recorder.
hey man, I get it. your opinion is valid. if all that doesn't matter to you, then stick with the Zoom H6. I never said it was a bad recorder. I used my zoom H6 yesterday and still is just fine. BUT I still prefer the newer tech and for me, having the app with bluetooth is game changing because I shoot weddings so connecting my recorder to the DJ Speaker and being able to stop the recording while I'm standing on the other side of the room recording dinner speeches with the camera and not having to physically go over there and do it is amazing to me. just because you don't use it doesn't mean its worthless to other people that use it. at the end of the day, these are tools and if something will allow me to do my job a little bit easier ill take it anyway.
But thanks for the comment man.
Thanks is to you for the quality video brotha - keep em comin @@quayvision
You kept saying 1/4-20 inputs (Which is the tripod thread mount size, not an input size), and you mentioned that one had it over the other, but they actually both have XLR/1/4" TRS combo jacks.
Yeah I realized that after uploading. Playas f*k up🤣. But thanks for pointing that out man. Learning experience.🙏🏾