5 Steps to FINALLY Master TRAIL BRAKING in Racing
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- This is the ultimate guide/tutorial introduction for Trail Braking. Follow these steps and reading pro drivers' telemetry won't be as frustrating anymore ;)
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00:00 The Problem
00:56 Step 1
01:46 Step 2
02:28 Step 3
03:44 Step 4
05:51 Step 5 (IMPORTANT!)
07:25 Sim Racing Mistakes - Hry
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What I'd like to see you do which nobody else seems to have done. Make a video on the force feedback feeling and what the target is. Explain the feeling of wheel slip (understeer) vs grip and the difference in the tire sounds.
@@jsaleen17 I talk A LOT about that on my online course and on my patreon.
This kind of topic generally performs bad on CZcams due to algorithm, so I keep some advanced topics to courses and lessons and patreon.
After watching this one and putting everything together I gained about 1.6 seconds in sector 2 alone. Thanks for being the best coach online
Let's goooooooo congrats man!
This video just shaved 2 seconds off my pace. Last night I was practicing GT3 at Virginia for the first time this week and was able to manage a 1:48.8 after about an hour and half. I watched this video and just jump into a practice session for the first time since last night and by lap 16 I managed a 1:46.7. I’m blown away cause I always knew trail braking was my weakest skill but really didn’t believe it would be that big of a difference maker. I have to replicate this tomorrow to be sure but Suellio, you seriously just put a confidence in me I haven’t had my whole sim racing career. Thank you 🙏🏾
You are easily one of the best coaches online. I gain pace every week by applying new techniques I am learning from your videos.
I've had a few sessions with him and I always learn so much!
@SuellioAlmeida This is crazy. I was training at Zandvoort with the Ferrari 296 GT3 in IRacing. I tried an online race and was 12th at qualify. Then I tried this trail braking technic to turn initially with the pedals and not with the steering wheel for about 2 days. I'm really far to master it all, but I could qualify first being about 2 sec faster. That's crazy. I thought I was trail braking already, I understood that the objective is to keep the weight on the front tires to have more grip. That's so described everywhere in books and on Internet. But if we don't apply what you explain, it cannot be effective. Why are there so many driving tuto's, but nobody explains so precisely like you what we have to do? Thank you so much!!
Coaching is difficult. People think driving fast is enough for you to coach others, but that is so far from the truth. I'm able to explain things this way because I coached 2k+ people and I was always taking notes and analyzing what worked and what didn't, what steps were necessary, etc etc etc etc!
Ok so, on Iracing Mugello track my best laptime 1:49.800 got it once with lot of focus and effort. My average lap time is 1:53.ish, I am very inconsistent. I watched this video and after 10 min of driving, I am not getting more than 1:51.00! I watched a lot of videos on trail braking, and never got it, simply because no one explains the why! This man here and Driver 61 are the only I am watching from now on. They care about the community and helping races to get better and freaking deliver in 5 min FREE video unlike lot of others who cares only to show us how good they are and get viewers! I dont care from where I need to go to hit the apex, I want to know how I can hit it. This guy nailed it! Sub sub! 2 years on sim racing, you just unlocked me whole different world!
This is easily one of the best trail braking examples I have found. Explanation, lesson, and homework. Can't wait to try this.
Love your informative training videos, Suellio - learn so much about racecraft. Thank you!
This video is AMAZING!
I have watched so many trail braking videos because I always feel like my attempts have been, not slower than my normal turning but not up to what I should be able to do.
Watching this has taught me so much, part of it is my setup physically in person, and part is braking later than I should be, Thank You for this video. It's exactly what I needed to improve:)
I’ve just started IRacing because of your videos. I had no issue getting top laptimes on acc with my potentiometer pedals but on IRacing as trail breaking is a lot more important I’ve definitely noticed that it’s nearly impossible to get consistent… so yep.. load cell and cockpit are on the way 😂
This video is obviously going to help massively too. Thanks Suellio!
This is some of the most informative racing content on CZcams. Great work!
This dude is going to go somewhere on youtube. Idk who taught you to how to do the tube but dmam your good at it. Great video thank for the insight
By far the best channel dedicated to racing. I learned more from you in a week, then years of watching other youtubers.
I started playing Forza motorsport again after a number of years. I drive on a logitech 29. I decided to set a time on circuit de la Sartre which was a 4:22. You help me shave off 11 1/2 seconds.
I have seen a couple of videos of you about this subject. Damn man it has helped me constantly. I appreciate your work. Thanks a lot
Thank you for the trust!
me as a controller player watching this 👀👀
Amazing actionable information! Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work!
i can't believe how a simple setting change your game, thanks for these tips
Excellent presentation without any BS.
If I may add:
This whole thing with turning in earlier gently and giving the car time to load up the outside wheels can be practiced IRL very well in road cars that roll quite a bit.
It just gives you a very pronounced understanding of the difference between introducing the car into the corner gently vs chucking it in and unsettling it.
If you're in the sim in a agile, stiffly sprung race car the difference can be to subtle to really appreciate.
Thank you for this tutorial, really effective
Thank you, needed this so much to prepare for my irl testday in a 718 gt4 this monday.
Have fun on track man!
What an amazing tutorial! Great explanation. Thank you.
Terrific video and information. Carl Sagan in the background is awesome.
Thanks so much, after 3 years of sim racing Ive finally decided to turn off ABS and just did my first lap without locking up, 6 TENTHS FASTER and my lines were all over the place 👍👍 cheers
yes, slow turn in is KEY.
THANKS.
You are great man! Thanks for the tips, getting pro seems more and more doable =)
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Nice and concise video, thank you !
One question about grip though, i believe self aligning torque maxes before the grip.
My interpretation is that 'fishing the grip' relies on getting a precise feel of SAT just starting to drop without understeer.
These few degrees of steering that 'pin' the front enabling a small oversteer mid corner to exit earlier.
Some pilots have this spectacular 'fighting' style on the limit, 'dancing' with the pedals also to push the car on the limit.
It's not clean but it seems as efficient.
I'd really like to have your views on that.
Amazing as always, amazing you give us this gem for free as well, makes me want to be your client I can use a lot of improvement for now my main focus is clean racing and side by side driving in races don't really seek alien pace, but as soon as I do I will surely try to book a session with a simracing guru as you, can't wait to jump into practice with this video info.
Great explanation. Would be interested to hear your thoughts about gear selection and speed of downshifting into corners. I observe the faster Esport drivers use a gear higher than I do but when I try that, I struggle to get the car turned and rotated into the apex and tend to understeer a lot i.e. lower gears help me get the car rotated with the additional engine braking but then I find I lose a lot on exit (and my lowest corner speed is probably a lot lower). This is on F1 23.
Great info!!
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Fantastic explanation, thanks!
My fastest lap on monaco in f1 23 ps5 was 1:09:166 after watching this video I reduced it to 1:08:158. Thank you my man
Always thought there was an opportunity for a mini game or utility where you could exercise/practice and measure braking accuracy and consistency.
Thanks, these are good tips
Will try to use this steps on controller (playing acc), wish me luck
also, thans for the video
i still didnt even tryed but liked, very nice tips!
Interesting how you mentioned that GT3 cars with insanely effective ABS systems will make the curve different. That shows how braking in ACC basically is and why the brake inputs are different from those in iRacing
I see. So what you're saying is I'm an awesome driver i just need stronger ffb. I knew it was my setup. Thanks dawg
This is easily the best trail braking video I’ve seen. Getting down into the brake settings was huge. I was definitely not giving 50% brake pressure because of my settings.
Any tips for relaxing in a turn? I find that I tense up majority into braking zones and turns. I wasn’t conscious of it until I tried using the soft hands technique.
In one of his other videos, he mentions to breathe out as you enter the corner. This exhalation helps to relax.
this video is very helpful also
I have now a steering wheel in the wishlist. When it got into an sale, i buy it, try this technique to get spin out on the first corner. I will hate it and hopefully be better after some time.
(Old one died a year ago)
Great video. Any advice for F1 23 on which track is best to train on and measure the gains?
Awesome vid! I was just thinking this week about finding a video about trailbraking and was going to see if you had one 😅
Question: do you still start to turn in slowly in high downforce cars(formula cars)? because I know from your videos that in those cars the steering input should be more linear
Yes I still turn in slowly even in F1 cars when trail braking. You should notice it looking at on-boards in F1 too
I had nightmares for years about that speed trace lmao. Took so so so long to figure out what was happening.
Hello @Suellio and all. When starting to practice trail braking (ACC 1.98 BMW M4) would it be a good idea to turn off ABS completely? I'm thinking to get a better feel for the load cell pedal to begin with?
Great video. I have a tlcm pedal and i'm wondering what is the correct setup for braking force to get in a linear scale as you said. Does anyone know?
Hi and thank you for your online lessons. I have a thrustmaster tx with the t3pa pro pedals. I added a load cell to the brakes and the braking has changed a lot but the pedal trip from 1 to 99 requires a lot of pressure but is very short and it makes almost impossible to do trailbraking, any help about this problem. Im using iracing, assetto corsa, and project cars at the moment.
It was a very help full video.
But can you make a video of game setting with the logitech G29 Wheel.
Its little hard to set a perfect wheel setting i feel my Accelerator pedal is too sensitive and break pedal is also sensitive.
Suellio I like your videos a lot they are very informative, I have a question does trail-breaking work in rental go karts
No because you barely brake in rental karts hahaha
any advice for Fanatec DD pro with CSL Loadcell pedalas? For example on suzuka i realy squeeze the stearing wheel and i cant relax my hands for example in first sector, and about that LC pedals what is the best setting to get the pedal linear? i have it on maybe 45% force but sometimes i think i still breaking but no i have break on 0% usage.
I saw in one of your videos, if you look towards the left of your monitor, you could see the car beside you. If you can, PLEASE tell me what your current monitor settings are in the game. I have similar setup to yours, I could use your settings to look at whats beside me...
I want to master this alongside using a manual H-pattern shifter.
Should i do this with h-pattern or go with paddle shift first, then jump back to h-pattern later when trail braking has been mastered?
I hope someone can answer this. When exactly do you start braking? I've seen a lot of these but can't figure that out. Before turning in or when you want the car to turn? And how much force at first.
I race alot of open wheelers, like the super lights and SF23, but trying to master trail braking with them, I'm also doing GT3 and GT4 leagues.
Are these two different types of cars going to hinder my ability to master trail braking?
You can use trail braking to rotate the car mid corner if you got the feeling. Doesn't work on every track, corner, or car. Results can vary.
Great video! What type of car you would suggest for practicing trail breaking?
GT cars are easier since they accept more pressure. F1 cars are more difficult (at least in some sims like iRacing) because they're ultra sensitive to lower pressures, so like 5% is enough to lock up the front tires while 1% would be ideal etc
@@SuellioAlmeida thank you!
I can only trail brake properly in a few corners, like the one before the bridge in suzuka, but if try to do it consciusly in other corners i lose time
I have a question? Do you think I need to get a better wheel and pedals?? . I'm not on that level but sometimes I think if I change the wheel I got better chance to go faster!! What you think??
My wiggles at 1%, 25%, 50%, 99%. It’s harder to do then I thought
Shouldn't the travel at higher % be more important because it could potentially lock the wheels?
Does any of this or for that matter do any of your tips apply to g920 users....I plan to upgrade to a thrust master soon with load cell pedals but I want to practice before then but I feel like I'm just handicapped but idk
I know this was a month ago and it does, it's just more difficult, he also specifies what settings make the G9-Series users should use compared to the load-cell users
Isn’t longer trail braking more for traditional or GT cars and high pressure fast drop braking for open wheel cars?
trail braking has always put my head in a pretzel. i was sure i was already doing it because i'm extremely fast, but any time i consciously tried it, it would just feel like manually breathing to me.. and this video confirms my suspicions that it's just using the brakes to turn. i DO already do that. you should ALWAYS use the brakes to turn. there's an exception for everything, but the pedals are for turning. and so the term "trail braking" is silly. might as well have a term "trail throttling" where you use the throttle to turn on corner exit. BUT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS DO THAT TOO.
i don't understand why there's a separate definition for "trail braking". i feel it is a more applicable term for AWD/FWD rally type driving where you might drag the brakes down a trail.
So, I have to use both feets to master trail braking in sims? And, how would that work IRL if we learn only to use 1 feet per pedal?
great video,
how should I apply in the purchasing form to get the youtube 20% discount?
thanks for your videos!
there should be a space for promotional codes! did you try www.motorracingchecklist.com ?
@@SuellioAlmeida yes I did. But I dont know what code should i put in "Coupon Code" to get the discount. Thanks
@@mda5240 CZcams20
i probably do every amateur and pro mistake whit the only exception being that i dont do beginner mistakes ( i tried your steps i cant even take turn 1)
What should my brake force be set at using Thrustmaster TCLM pedals?
As stiff as it's comfortable
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When do you anticipate your book coming out?
A few months 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
i don't see a 'sensitivity' setting in the ghub pro pedals settings - can only set the force/weight... so set to 50KG, which is half. Is this what you mean?
No, it was a different setting, they changed it now. For pressure I use 85kg
How can you do it whit a fanatec
Is trail braking works for rental kart?
Cant find brake sensitivity any longer on ghub 😔
I can't figure out for the life of me where that sensitivity slider is at, which you would ensure is at 50%. Please help after 45 minutes I'm just frustrated figuring out where it's at.
F1 23 game no gamma for brake, what to do there?
my problem is that i get to little rotation in the rear or lock up and spin
my main problem with load cell cant decrease like he said 99, 75, 50 until 1% most of the time 99% to 1% in 1 sec
one of my main issues is learning a new track.
I like to go around the track and not let the cars gear go above the lap number. This way I start slow and add a bit more speed each lap. Look for braking points and racing lines while going slow
spectate other drivers helps a lot. i just started doing that in iracing.
One of the things I learnt from suelio in another video is let the limit of grip take you to the track limits don't just drive out to them artificially because you think it's faster. When I practice new tracks I just go around slowly and learn the braking zones I pickup pace every lap trying to push myself to the track limit on exit.
@@samuelvanlane thank u im currently trying to become a driver that doesnt need a line on.. but i work 75 hrs a week so its hard to get practice in
por que você não faz videos em portugues? (why dont you make videos in portuguese?)
I do understand english but other digital drivers dont so it would be a big help to them.
Me mastering it on controller😎
Did Senna use Trail Braking?
I'm having a hard time to trailbreak on F1, all happens to fast...
This is divining but not dive bombing.
bro I have a keyboard and you're talking about pedals
Buy pedals
Amazin content. Just a small tip, instead of saying "one by one percent" say "one percent at a time".
I'm by no means annoyed but the compulsive helper in me can't help but point out linguistic errors for a person who's clearly dedicated to improve. I mean, you used to have huge problems saying "oversteer" and "understeer" but I've noticed in the past few videos that you fixed it.
If you want me to stop pointing things out like this feel free to let me know, no hard feelings, I don't want to waste my time or yours.
thanks for the tip!!
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Listen....keep out of the driver instructor business, your information is exteremely flawed, possibly works for "SIM" racing but not for the real 'ontrack"world. I have witnessed your "real" racing track videos and you need to go back to racing school. Do not coach people wishing to race actual cars your only to cause confusion with mis-information!
ok
HARD TO DO ON CONTROLLER