Finally Worth The HYPE: The Owl House Season 2 Review
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Great video boss! Subbed! I'm not very "plugged in" (as evidenced there 😅) so I never really heard anything about seasona 1 accept for pretty much what you said. Interesting fact though: the creator said season one was "highly interfered with" by corporate. Apparently most of the school story lines were shoe-horned in by D to make it more like Potter.🙄 damn mouse lol
lumity is pretty shit
when i mean shit i mean bad shit
hey, i noticed something interesting, at minute 13:05 it says "why luzity works" while the actual thumbnail of that video is "why lumity works"!
@@MasonJarrr_ It was originally Luzity I think but the comments were pissed off so SC changed it.
It’s not about her idolizing Philip, it’s about how she helped him, because she can give everyone a pass on their mistakes except herself
Exactly
That's a bit of an exaggeration to say she helped him. I never understood why she felt guilty either. She just gave him a glyph, something he would've found later on, and I never saw him use any combination that involved the light glyphs, just petrification, rock, and slime magic.
@@helsmify I don’t think the guilt was from her teaching him the light glyph, it was from helping him get the collector, and there by the draining spell to use on everyone.
@@helsmify you forget that she faced a monster for him right
@@helsmify it's not an exaggeration, that's literally what she did. She specifically said- " I can HELP you find the collector". and she did just that. Also I'm pretty sure she taught him the light glyph
I disagree with the point of luz having a bad reaction to finding out about belos/Philip. She is freaking out because she helped him. She is having this reaction because she gave him the last glyph, she blames herself for his rise to power.
Yep, it's not that she feels betrayed, it's that she feels she unwittingly betrayed the isles by making the draining spell possible, for being the one who helped Belos meet the Collector in the first place.
I think she's wrong to think it's her fault, he would have found another "sacrifice", and probably would have figured out the light glyph eventually (and was clearly doing fine without it), but it's entirely understandable that she'd internalize it as being her fault, especially given her personality.
Also, with regards to the whole "say my name" bit, I conjecture that Luz took some amount of solace in the name Belos. Her mortal enemy was part of the fantasy world, and fantasy stories have Villains. But Phillip is of the human world, a much more *real* evil.
To call him Philip is to acknowledge that this isn't a fantasy story where the good guys necessarily save the day, it's a real life story. And real life stories are spotty with their happy endings.
At least, that's how you could view it through the whole 'questioning the merits of escapism' lens.
Yes but, you'd think she’d have a stronger reaction to Hunter "dying" she just kinda went oh no anyway
Your right but I feel the real problem is luz reacted a bit too soon and quick to Realize she helped belos
Another thing to back up that theory is that Luz is a people pleaser and there. Video bout that going in depth
I’m pretty sure her breakdown in the mind episode is that she realizes that belos is as big of a threat as he is because she helped him in the past
i think another thing is part of it too: philip's diary was luz's only hope of getting back home. but if belos is philip, that means he never got home. the one thing giving luz hope of getting back home ended up just helping belos.
Also that she was like the people she was angry at. She was mad at people for believing him so easily, but she did the same thing.
Yeah it wasn't about her being a fangirl of Philipp it's about how she helped him and how she finds out that the only other human that was ever known to be on the Boiling Isles besides her was the person she hates. It's like when Belos sometimes suggests, they parallel each other and Luz can't emotionally distance herself from that even though she's nothing like Belos
Luz helped him jumpstart his entire plan by giving him the Light glyph which that island was trying to hide from him. It took Luz under a year to find glyphs and made glyph combos from them, it took Phillip decades to find them. She literally fast tracked his plan. Luz constantly blames herself for problems she can't control, idk why ppl are surprised by this.
There’s that in addition to Belos becoming a fully fledged person to her. When she said “no, you’re just Belos,” I interpreted that as meaning that she was upset that Belos is a human, like her, and not just a faceless evil.
Luz's reaction to Belos being Phillip wasn't because she idolised Phillip, it was because she realised by giving Phillip the last glyph, she had helped Belos with his plan.
And somewhat helped him find the Collector that lets him make the Day of Unity happen. Even though that guy is stubborn as a horse. He made over 40 clones and still doesn’t realize Caleb would not be cool with any of this. If Luz wouldn’t help him, then he would have found other ways or someone else to trick
She gave him the last glyph, not sigil
@@Walking_Spinel Right! Sorry I forgot the word for it
Yea I agree with that but also it really doesn't explain why she goes so hard on herself, yea she got tricked into helping belos but so did everybody else. Belos tricked the entire boiling isles so that he can kill them, she not the exception so it kinda weird when she beat herself up about it that hard.
@@lyonsin2535 Luz has always been very hard on herself. She blames herself for a lot of things, Eda getting captured and nearly petrified, Eda and Lilith losing their magic, Amity losing her library card, and a lot of other things I can't think of from the top of my head. She gets very anxious when it comes to the wellbeing of other people, which leads to a lot of her self-sacrificial and self-blaming behaviours, so when she thinks she's endangered the entire boiling isles because she trusted someone she shouldn't have again, she breaks down.
In Luz’s Defence, she isn’t reacting that way because her “idol” was the villain, but more that she realize she sort of helped Belos in becoming the Empire and causing the Day of Unity. Even though no one is blaming her, she’s blaming herself
And for Alador, not a hundred percent sure, but he probably said that to Odalia cause he knows that’s the only way to get her to step down from stopping Amity from seeing her friends
Honestly, I didn’t like King at season 1 but I believe he greatly improved in season 2, becoming one of my favorites
Most likely it’s a coincidence that Amphibia and Owl has similar ending. Cause production takes years. It’s like how similar American Dragon and Juniper Lee is
Similar concept doesn't denote either shows, I think that the execution is still a little different along with the set up to Luz and friends being thrown into the human realm vs amphibia- I do agree with you and big W to how you worded it
To me Juniper Lee and Jake Long have way too similarities not to have one show copy the other. Both are about Asian American middle schoolers who become the protector of their hometown to ensure the balance of the mystical and human realm, their predecessors is their grandparent due to the power skipping a generation while also having a younger sibling of the opposite gender and a talking dog
I am 100 percent sure that's why Alador said what he did about the covens, I also think it's important to note re: his representation in the season one flashback is that all the flashbacks in this show have been off, Don't get me wrong I still think he's been a neglectful parent and I really wish we got to see more of him trying to set things right with the twins as well as Amity. I just don't think the flashback and his season two a appearance feel contradictory to his portrayal in later episodes.
@@BlueBlazeKing Also, the dog is the same breed in both shows and both protags have the initials J.L.
There's coincidence and then there's studio notes getting leaked.
Well she never looked up to Philip, she thought his diary would help her find a way back home.
18:53 I think what makes Luz breakdown is more the fact that she unknowingly helped Phillip become Belos
I agree, i feel likes it's less about belos BEING Phillip and more about the fact "this monster is human, just like I am, and I helped him get here" type of thing although I think he would've found the light spell without her help just much later
She even said it at the start of the next episode
"I was a part of his plan"(while tearing up)
I saw a video where someone speculated that Luz is a people pleaser & takes responsibility for things outside of her control. There are lots of instances where she takes full responsibilities for problems that were only partially her fault(some would have happened regardless of her involvement like Eda losing her magic). One of the best showcases of this was "Separate Tides" where she openly admits she thinks she's a burden on Eda's life.
I know that sometimes when I was tricked by someone, I felt more at fault (for being a fool) than the actual trickster. Like I should have known better. Luz likely has a similar mindset in that regard. She isn't at fault, but she still blames herself.
By that logic, she also helped free the Collector. Which probably will lead to more breakdowns.
@@theflaminglitten-fo6jd And he would have also found someone else to help him get the collector.
God; I am so happy Lumity hasn't devolved into that drama love mess that most shows put characters through for cheap kicks.
I can’t stand love triangles
@@privatehere3324 Or love squares 🐞
@@privatehere3324 or love web/pentagons
Yeah same. Couples don't have to be borderline (or just straight up) dysfunctional to be interesting. I'd be happy to see a lot more canon ships like Lumity in future.
@@galacticglamourgirl I feel like it's the result of writers taking the common advice of "every story needs conflict" a little too literally.
That or execs keep demanding it for cheap shock value.
Luz breaking down when she found out Belos is Philip does make sense, not because she cared about philip, but because A) She helped a dictator get in power, B) she is the reason Eda almost die in s1, but most importantly C) If Philip is Belos, then that means that he didnt build a portal, which means her only hope to ever seeing her mom again is not only no longer an option but is also trying to kill her
Holy shit your right
Wait who tryna kill who
For a show with a troubled production as it had, they still crushed this season with what they had left to work with. It has it all: Phenomenal animation, music, mystery, lore, action, comedy, shipping (If you’re into that; if not, I get it) and an almost perfect balance.
Just imagine how it would’ve been if it wasn’t nerfed by the network it had the misfortune of airing under.
Yeah. Dana and her crew were put in a bad situation, and they made it WORK.
@yea I wish you bots would disappear forever.
I personally would love to see more healthy relationships in media. However, there's a difference between "healthy" and "so perfect it's unrealistic". There are going to be moments of doubts and miscommunication. It happens. What makes it good is seeing how said characters work over those bumps when they pop up.
I'm sure a perfect relationship exists or has existed somewhere we just don't know about it
I think we've definitely had that a little with Luz's tendency to lie, but I'm not sure it'll go anywhere.
@@xxx-ie9ic It doesn't need to "go anywhere", it's already happened. The aforementioned doubts and miscommunication have already popped up, they were just dealt with on the spot because it makes perfect sense for their characters to deal with issues in the way they do. Luz is very much the kind of person to immediately accept blame for her mistakes and not blame others (sometimes to a fault, also dealt with in the season), while Amity is constantly striving to be the best possible girlfriend for Luz because she values the changes Luz made in her life that much.
No need for dramatic toxicity when Amity has tried so hard to get away from being the toxic person she once was, and that's just not who Luz is.
@@damkylan3 your a logical person I like you
@@yulee3266 same
I agree about Alador except that I interpreted the scene where Alador is convincing Odalia to let Amity keep her friends as his own way of manipulating her. He wants Amity to keep her friends, he's framing it deliberately in a way that she will let them stay together.
Same here. I saw that as Alador speaking in a language that Odalia will understand. That "Amity should keep her friends not because it's the right thing to do and they're just kids like any decent person will see, but because she'll become a valuable asset" . Like you said, it's his own way of manipulating Odalia; he just has to frame it in a way that'll convince her.
@@reviewtechussr Did he care about her being friends with Willow?
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS I feel like that was an earlier concept of Alador that was slightly altered as production of the show went on
I have faith in Dana, especially after that awesome shot Luz made about their cancellation in ep. 20. I know Dana and 'The Owl House' crew are doing everything they can to ensure an awesome third season. Disney may have screwed us, but Dana won't. The third season may be short, The Owl House maybe going out way too early, but I trust it will go out with a bang.
I, ironically, think that the cancelation helped the show. Season 1 felt meandering and unfocused at times, like the authors were unsure what exactly the story was they wanted to tell. Now that they're on a deadline, the writing is enjoying far better pacing.
@@olenickel6013 that ws becaus s1 Was when Disney Mandaten alot
@@olenickel6013 s2 is the Show dana wantet to make s1 is what Disney wantet the Show to be
@@olenickel6013 I disagree, considering that was the first season. The pacing in season 2 is much better, but I think that's because they found their focus, not because the cancellation was helpful. Honestly, they're a very talented team (probably always were) for pacing the story this well, I know most shows would have felt overly rushed or lost impact if they were in a similar situation. Imagine how much more fleshed out everything could be if Disney wasn't a coward. Seriously, 3 specials as a 3rd season? I believe they'll be great episodes, but there's no way they'll be enough to cover everything the way the show deserves.
Wait, what shot did Luz make about the cancellation in Ep 20? I feel like I missed something.
I don’t think anyone is saying Alador is guiltless when it comes to the unhealthy family dynamic. He definitely shares a bit of the blame, and honestly it was so refreshing to feel like he understood that and wanted to make it better as apposed to playing dumb and letting Odalia be the evil parent.
I think they def leaned into Odalia being the one to blame. He stopped paying attention to his kids seemingly right when Odalia stopped letting him have days off. Alador is a shitty Dad but Clouds On the Horizon was iffy in how they portrayed that. They rly flopped with Odalia as a character
What do you mean they flopped with her character? I feel like she’s exactly what they planned her to be.
She’s narcissistic and controlling, she used her own children for her benefit. She’s not a good person. My mother was actually eerily similar. She could be bit more 3 dimensional but definitely does not make Odalia a flop of a character. Just an unlikable one.
I guess what’s refreshing to me with Alador is that it isn’t a one and done conversation where they go “oh, Odalia is evil. Sorry kids” and everyone has a group hug. It feels like Amity has boundaries and is holding Alador responsible for his part in it. He has to earn a relationship with his children. He has to work to be better, and I appreciate that to be at least somewhat explored in a cartoon like this.
@@stellarose3884 I love unlikable characters! My fav Odalia line is literally her complaining about Amity not being in class, It's very real. I've never been an Odalia hater along with the rest of the fandom. I just think her writing in ep 20 was iffy
She needed to show up just a lil bit more to really establish her crappy character. The writing would’ve worked if she only didn’t show in just 2 episodes.
@@jaymz2385 well looking at small contexts clues the writers had a backstory here but due season 3 getting cut, they had to remove it
King isn't a pet. He was in season 1, but just like every other character he developed into his own. He's Eda's son. Luz's brother. The last titan.
Eda thought she got a weird dog, but she got a child instead
When Luz broke down after she learned Belos was Phillip, it was less of a "no this figure I looked up to was evil!!!" and more of a "I just unintentionally helped the evilest man I've ever met" especially after learning about all the lying he's done and his plan to literally kill every witch. Everything that happened since she met him was indirectly her fault, and after the realization hit her she crumbled.
5:41
- Only 5 Coven Heads got established screentime.
- Two of them became villainous threats.
- Three of them became good guys.
- The remaining four became background characters.
20:48 and what exactly didn't you like about Terra Snapdragon as the head evil witch? Cause that lady was completely unhinged, off her rocker, completely insane and creepy....and I loved every second she was on screen
The soundtrack when they escaped is one of the best soundtracks I´ve ever heard in kids shows! This is not an overstatment!
*collector shows up* and then the ost went hard and i just went OWO ????
luz didn't have a breakdown because the person she "idolized" was belos, it was because she helped him find the collector, and she also taught him the light glyph. i mean think of it from her perspective. you're working so hard to defeat belos, and then you find out that you played a huge part in helping him. it would shatter me too. and the way she was in denial and refused to say his real name was amazing, like she was absolutely heartbroken to find out that phillip and belos are the same person.
how tf did he even come to that conclusion
18:30
A lesser noticed part of Luz is how much she blames herself, and how she does increasingly grandiose shows of affection to prove herself.
This is paired with her becoming prone self sacrifice while she thinks she needs to fix something.
For an example we have Escape of the palismen, where after Luz accidentally crashes and gets Owlbert hurt she immediately starts blaming herself for it entirely, she beats herself up over the mistake through out the Bat Queen’s trials and even risks her life to rescue Owlbert. This happens in smaller and background ways, like Luz getting Amity her job at the library back via trials that are obviously shown to have hurt her even if it’s just a bit. Her self sacrificial need to fix things is less noticeable because she’s efficient, she doesn’t really mope or hate herself on her own time instead she does that while fixing the problem as fast as she can.
(I wonder if anyone will actually read this?? Well it doesn’t really matter to me, just writing this was fun.)
It's definitely a recurring flaw in her character and part of what makes me say that the Lumity romance isn't picture perfect. They repeatedly have issues, and while those issues are settled pretty quickly I feel like they're going to keep happening until the root issue is addressed and Luz can fix that broken part of herself.
That becomes even more evident at the finale, when she's holding the portal open and intends to stay in the Boiling Isles instead of going back to the human realm, which is the thing she's been trying to accomplish the whole show, just so her friends can escape, she only leaves because King forces her to.
@@mimicmey I think it’s going to get much worse in the third season, I mean in Dana’s art of post finale Luz looks very angry and is closing herself off.
I 100% agree, many people have been pointing out this character flaw and they are correct. Separate tides is another great example of Luz blaming herself for being a burden to Eda, it's not true but she thinks it is.
I think Luz's breakdown in Hollow Mind was less about learning that Belos was Phillip and more about learning that she inadvertantly enabled his genocide plot. While it's true that her contribution was miniscule in the grand scheme of things, Phillip could have easily used someone else to get the mirror, and there was no way she could have possibly known the full extent of his plan, Luz has a track record of blaming herself way too hard for things. So I think it is in character for her specifically to react to the reveal this way.
“Arcane set the bar way too high” is the understatement of the decade.
Arcane could serve as the benchmark for cartoons of the 2020s, just like how Adventure Time served as the landmark for 2010 cartoons, and Avatar before that for 2000s cartoons.
Arcane so far is absolutely incredible. Though I'm really afraid about how it’ll do in the long run and if it will end up like other shows that just get too long and lose sight of what made them great. At least shows like Gravity Falls, Amphibia, and (hopefully) The Owl House are super focused on telling their story from the beginning to a clear end.
@@monog0n I honestly think it has the ability to stay relevant by having different seasons center on different settings other than Piltover and Zaun, like Noxus and Frejlord. Arcane does mean “new and different”. It could turn into an anthology series.
Yeah. That's a show I unironically call a masterpiece, and that's not a compliment I make lightly.
Arcane i think is the product of the advancements in video storytelling in the recent decade and lots and lots of budget
If I had a nickel for everytime a show ended its s2 by having the bad guy turn out not being the true bad guy followed by someone seemingly dying followed by the main group getting sent back to their home and being stranded there I would have 2 nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice right?
Are you talking about zuko
@@jackiefogarty9872 I think he's speaking about Amphibia.
If I had a nickle for everytime a Disney show featured a character who chose to stay in a magical world and then suffered for it, I'd have 2 nickles
imo, the collector isn't really a villain. he/they're more of a neutral character. they don't know whether what they're doing is right or wrong. they just want to play.
Sorry but The owl house didn't have a stupid fake death and Belos is the true Bad guy but the collector is more powerfull.
You’re totally right about the Willow-Gus-Hunter friendship. One of my favorite aspects of the season, and, to be honest, it seems their relationships with him are deeper than their relationship with Luz.
Heck yeah. That was a GENIUS way to
a) give Hunter some MUCH-NEEDED companionship, and
b) involve Willow and Gus in the plot more.
What's probably the BEST thing about this is that Hunter met Willow and Gus with ZERO intervention from Luz. They didn't even know who he was, so that allowed for a more organic first impression (one he screws up later, but I digress).
I like that Hunter and Gus and Willow aren't reliant on Luz as their linchpin. It's good that everyone is sort of getting development through relationship building, and just- it's nice :3
Their friendship is fantastic! I often have problems with media neglecting other relationships in favor of focusing on the main one--which is almost always a romantic one. I'm glad they fleshed out a proper friendship between quite a few characters instead of just Lumity. Friendships are just as important after all.
@@glorialewis8566 Exactly. She never even tried to introduce him; it just happened, and it feels much more organic that way.
The fact that their friendship isn’t dependent on Luz was brilliant I also agree with they’re closer to Hunter than they are to Luz hunter helped both of them grow into better people Willow and Gus literally made hunter a functional person
Part of me gets sad when content creators use other shows to rate a single show. I don't like how the things that make a show or episode great are bogged down for the simple fact that "x show did it first" and nothing else. Yes it can get stale and there no stopping that but that's not the shows fault that amphibia was basically a sister show throughout its entire run time. Love your content though and I know what was said in the video wasn't hostile just pointing out what most review channels do
SAME. its just like....... bro, not everyone has watched amphibia anyway.
EXACTLY!!
You can tell that Sarcastic hasn't watched a lot of isekai. Which isn't a bad thing, but he doesn't seem to realize that the similarities between TOH/Amphibia are a natural consequence of them both taking inspiration from the classics of the genre. Characters from the "other world" coming into ours is a pretty popular trope - it's been a thing as early as InuYasha. It's like saying that Gravity Falls and Steven Universe are too similar because they both do the "colorful cartoon actually has deep lore" bait-and-switch.
So often people say it's like Amphibia's Season 2, but I disagree- Luz is back with her friends and girlfriend without hesitation, but not her found family. Anne is back with her found family, but she hesitates before revealing them. Just that difference in both the weather and lighting shows a lot.
Plus, while Anne is largely in what she wore when her parents last saw her, Luz's outfit has completely changed. She's a new person.
19:10 she reacted like this because she knows that the only human never went back to earth, she unknowingly helped belos do all of the shit that he did
14:25
I’m glad that Lumity have such good communication because I’m so done with the kind of dynamic where there is a lack of communication and everything falls a part for a bit when it could have so easily been avoided.
Where some people may see that as lacking in drama, it just feels really refreshing to me.
I think Luz's reaction to Belos being Philip made sense, it wasn't about her idolization of Philip but rather how she helped make him into Belos. Imagine if you realize that your past mistake resulted in the suffering of your friends and family.
I think Luz has that breakdown moment because she realizes she helped Belos not because the image of him as Phillip was ruined. Great video. This season really fixed so many issues from the last and I can't wait for the specials.
I really enjoyed season 2! it had it's ups and downs like all the seasons of a tv show do, but now the finale has raised questions like most finales do. and now i can't wait to see how everything goes in those 3 specials when they're released i hope King and Eda can teach the Collector right from wrong, and seeing how Luz and friends will do in adjusting to life in the human realm.
18:33
Honestly, I think the breakdown that Luz had wasn't a thing that came out of the blue
Luz blames herself so when she found out that she helped a genocidal maniac, she had a pretty bad meltdown
There's someone on CZcams that explains it super well! Here's the link to the video
czcams.com/video/wNoRKF4IT_w/video.html
I just watched that before I watched this😂😂😂
I'm, honestly, in AWE of how much I enjoyed The Owl House season 2.
Probably the reason I enjoyed it so much is that it was the first time I was watching a television show AS IT AIRED (streaming doesn't count). I was watching every new development, every major twist, every Lumity moment with a community, one that is incredibly considerate and respectful, mind you.
It's just a different sensation than watching an entire series in one go on some streaming service, ESPECIALLY with the hiatuses. Those were hard at first, but really gave us time to sit and think on what this show was gonna do next.
I haven't had this much fun with a season of television since The Mandalorian season 2, and you KNOW how good that crap was.
Looking forward to the finale more than ever! (No, I'm not calling it season 3; three 45-minute episodes is not a season of television 😑)
Imagine finding out you unknowingly helped a genocidal maniac complete his genocide plan, also love how they handled Hunter’s character and Luz’s growth with glyphs also live how they adressed that Luz is a kid and the responsibility of Emperor Belos shouldn’t rest in her shoulders
7:45 I disagree. I think that season 2B is rushed, but not in the way you think. I think that rather then changing the plot to fit EVERYTHING they planned, they instead decided to cut filler, use what they have and fit little moments here and there that could have been an entire episode. An example being the jump from luz being captured to IMMEDIATELY going to a fully prepared “CATS”, with steve, which was basically a replacement for another character that’d be revealed later.
Also, the breakdown luz had would have probably been more earned if they had more time TO develop the Phillip luz connection.
Basically, what season 2b had to drop is character conflicts between everyone that aren’t NEEDED. if someone was planned to be redeemed, they made it easy to redeem them. I personally don’t think it’s a bad thing, as it allows them to have their planned plot, which so far has been AWESOME. Shouldn’t have cut S3&S4 tho disney :/
They did actually change a bit of the plot! Hell, the Collector was barely supposed to be a character until they heard of the cut and now they have this giant role. It's a mix of cutting anything that isn't 100% plot (not filler- not what that word means) and rewriting the plot
I 100% agree with you that they did their absolute best with S2B! :D Yes, not everything is fleshed out but what we git was still awesome :)
The reaction seemed right to me because it's not about Philip, it's about her giving him a glyph. She helped create the monster and helped him find the collector.
I am quite sure Philip will have a redemption. Will return to this comment if I'm right... But BELOS makes no sense alone, everyone answers the questions with their own context but from the side we can't get anything. So can't wait to see some Philip POV.
As interesting as that would be to see idk of they would go through with that. Phillip killed his own brother and was ready to commit mass genocide to fulfill his own fanatic beliefs. And with as much time between then and now has passed, he has always struck me as someone stuck in his ways. Even if he feels a kinship with luz, he is still ready to kill her when she doesn't comply, he claims to care for hunter and then is ready to kill him and replace him. He never shows any indication that he believes himself to be fallible, which would prevent him from growing
@@Spectorwing Yeah and he had over 400 years to see what his brother saw and just not go through with the plan when he did, but he refused to. He is honestly past redemption.
I extremely doubt that. He's literally the evil colonizer dude.
19:12 Actually, I disagree with you on that part. I think Luz’s reaction to being betrayed make sense. In that moment Luz is coming to the realization she help Belos/Philip with his plans, that she help cause the suffering on the Boiling isles. Even though she is not at fault of what happen Luz has this tendency to blame herself.
I recommend watching the video,” The part of Luz that is overlook” by bunny skies. She goes into good depth on this part of Luz character.
Sarcastic, I think the reason Luz broke down like that was because she thinks that helping Philip back then was the sole reason he was able to win in the present. She thinks what happened is her fault, same like she did when Eda lost her powers. It wasn't her fault, but sometimes that little voice in your head won't let you believe other wise.
P.S Love love love your videos!
It’s things like these where I secretly think that the mandate by that one exec to cut things short was a blessing in disguise that nobody, both the exec and Dana herself doesn’t notice.
True, we were robbed of cute slice of life episodes, but the jammed plot this season really made the show as a whole exciting.
Only one executive cancelled this show!! What?!
@@cknight0 There are videos that explain it. Basically Dana was informed (without her input) that the planned continuity heavy story it didn’t fit the “Disney Brand”. Basically execs would want IPs that can be aired in any order and extend itself almost indefinitely as long as there is a demand for it (SpongeBob, Teen Titans Go, and even Phineas and Ferb)
That lead to the compromise of season 3 being cut into only 3 mini-movies (44 minutes each) so that she can wrap up the entire story.
This also shows in how S2 is very plot heavy and has development for everybody.
Yeah, that seems to be the pattern with modern Disney cartoons or even modern cartoons in general. The first season is your basic "monster of the week" show with glimmers of a bigger storyline spread throughout the season. Season 2 is usually when the story and atmosphere officially gets going; not to mention the lore.
*cough* Steven Universe
@@melrose246 Exactly.
I think King's character arc is sick. Going from his power hungry gimmick in season 1 to him being given abandonment issues and appreciation for his family, and really focusing on him feeling alone not knowing who he is, to then finding he is the freakin LAST TITAN, and not having the same ambition for all powerful tyrant-ness / still feeling alone as the only titan as well as still having a loving family is just perfection imo. I did not expect King of all characters to have such a storyline
Okay but clouds on the horizon explicitly tells us that every interaction Alador has with Odelia is a careful dance meant to cater to her whims and interests in a way that would allow the kids to keep being normal kids as much as possible, so of course he pitches Amity keeping her friends as something that's good for the family in the long run. Also at that point he fully believes that despite her often terrible means, she has their family's best interests at heart and so the ends justify it all. And I don't see him as being completely absolved, just that his efforts are seen and respected. No one is rushing to crown him dad of the year for finally doing the bare minimum, but I think these kids are mostly just glad that there's at least one more adult willing to listen to them.
"the connection between Philip and her has already pretty much been severed" except it wasn't. We see in them's the breaks, kid that she's still reading his diary and learning his glyph combos. We even have Eda commenting on it saying that she doesn't like Luz still thinking about that creep. And while she doesn't defend him, she's quick to simply change the subject by saying she misses her mom. (not saying that she wasn't genuine about that, just that she clearly didn't wanna address that statement for too long.) And I'd even argue that earlier in hollow mind, when Eda asks her about Belos "and who is he, really?" Luz has this almost guilty expression on her face. Now this could just be me reaching, but I feel like she might have gotten a hunch at that point based on the information she had, but it wasn't something she wanted to confront. Regardless of whether any of this was the intended interpretation or not, I think deep down Luz was never gonna be able to let go of the idealized version of Philip that's lived in her head, ever since she started reading his journal and perhaps even before, when she first heard of another human having been on the isles. And as we know, her problem with separating the fanciful version of people and events in her head from the reality around her is pretty much the entire point of the show, so this breakdown is actually very fitting. But again, that's just how I see it
"I didn't need another Alex Hirsch character" I could not agree less I want another
I absolutely loved this season it was amazing if I had to pick one episode where I would skip it would be Gus’s first development episode of this season with the gang from Glandus. The other half of Lumity was much more interesting but it was still a good episode.
I would argue they could have made Gus's part of that episode more on par with the Luz and Amity adventure in terms of interest because Gus really is interesting, it's just not shown too much. That could be a problem with the S3 slash but he also has little development in S1
@@47ratsinahoodie yeah but I’m specifically talking about like his first episode that focuses mainly on him. His second episode was sm better and interesting and it made his first development episode better knowing the details how he feels about himself.
@@Ghostface1998 Yeah, Through The Looking Glass Ruins? I think they could have made that more interesting and it would have worked better as a Gus-centered episode. Like they could have introduced how strong he was there and then had more time to build on his powers. And then instead of having to explain his powers and backstory as well as trying to make him and Hunter connect, they could just focus on Gus and Hunter connecting and expand on Gus's past instead of having to fully introduce it, if that makes sense
@@47ratsinahoodie yes that episode like the Lumity part and Philip’s “introduction” completely overshadowed Gus’s development in the episode and just wasn’t as interesting if anything when he used the Golder stones it was awesome to see his illusion magic fool everyone and scare I think her name was Bria I don’t remember. At the end of the day it’s not a bad episode it’s just the only one that isn’t as interesting as compared to the rest of the episodes in season 2.
I wouldn’t skip that though personally since it’s basically a Segway into his stronger illusions power and very tiny lore
luz's breakdown fits for me because she literally gave belos the in for the draining spell which was implied he's failed to get for years
I think Luz reacted like that because she thinks she thinks helped belos nearly commit mas genocide, bc Luz has a habit of blaming herself for everything
I like the idea that Luz will live on the isle full time. But after learning how important visiting her father's grave is to her. She may bounce between both realm. Or the collector is going to break reality and move the boiling isles into the human world so he as more than a island full of playful things
I feel like it’s more about Luz feeling like she messed up again and that feeling of “its my fault” shown throughout the show whenever something goes wrong than feeling betrayed by philip.
True only she unwillingly help philip by teaching him with light glyph which he became emperor belos but also the chain of events that led the collector's freedom and now after what happen on king's tide boiling isles and the rest of the demon realm are now the collector's personal playground luz actions against belos/philip had led more problems which force her to return back to earth along with amity willow gus and hunter.
Because of this her dream was now a nightmare.
So happy to see people in the comments did get the point of Luz's reaction
Honestly Gus and Hunter's friendship was one of my favorite things I didn't know I wanted to see. They've grown to care so much about each other and I love it. Absolutely giving big and little brother vibes.
What makes me sad about this episode is the potential of it not going out the way it did if it wasn’t for a shortened season 3
I get that, but honestly? It MIGHT be better this way.
Hear me out: Amphibia's season 3 started out exactly where Luz and her friends are now, and what do they do for the first half of the season?
Absolutely. Nothing.
Granted, they didn't exactly have a way to get back then and there, but the show could have done better at keeping the plot alive, instead of dragging it to a screeching halt.
Dana and her crew, however, have made a way to work their shortened runtime to their advantage, allowing for a (hopefully) more tightly written and well-executed finale.
These are just my options. Lemme know if you feel differently.
@Hayden Berends I think they would’ve kept things moving at a quicker pace than Amphibia, even if they were given a full third season. They also probably would’ve maintained a comparatively somber tone and given the characters more time to process their trauma in the Human Realm, though we could still get an abbreviated version of that.
I had a couple different ideas about the scene with Alador and Odalia in 2x02 back when the episode aired, and the one that I think ended up being right is this:
I think Alador’s motivation for letting Amity continue hanging out with her friends was primarily to make her happy, but he framed it the way he did so that Odalia would be convinced. In 2x20 when he tries to push back against Odalia by suggesting they reconsider working with Belos, Odalia counters that by suggesting they have the kids start playing a more active role in the family business. The way she phrased it and the expression on his face gave me the impression that she has been holding this over his head for a while.
As for the flashback thing in season 1, I think the writers maybe didn’t fully know which direction they wanted to take the Blights.
18:53 Luz reacted that way because she thinks she helped Philip become Belos, she pretty much confirms this in the next episode. It makes perfect sense considering how Luz tends to blame herself for everything
19:45-20:35 I, have to agree. This is all I could think about this character these last few weeks. But this is also where I put my tinfoil hat on
I think Alador was left off the hook as "the other bad parent" so easily because the series got prematurely axed, so whatever plans they had for his character had to be scrapped simply because they no longer had the time for it, so his character development was essentially spedrun while Odalia was fully thrown under the bus
The way I pictured Luz’s reaction to Belos being Philip, she realized that all those years ago, she helped the monster that would end up hurting Eda and the rest of the boiling isles.
i see your point with king, but also that's why I LOVE the depth they've given him this season. It separated him from hooty, for me, as the other comic relief, and gave him similar moments to Willow and Gus, where his quirks are given explanations that do come with emotional depth. And, for me, everything they've done with him has also served to make him a family member and not a "group pet", even as far as him calling Luz sister and Edas parents calling King their grandson. I think Hooty remains the group pet/comic relief, where as King graduated to actual in depth main cast character.
The catradora poster in your room is killing me its amazing
i actually think luz's reaction works because its not because philip is belos, but because she directly help him become belos
19:05 Hey so my interpretation was never that she was upset because she super liked Philip.
It was because she helped him and therefore was responsible for what he became
I think Season 2 could've used more time fleshing out relationships, mainly the Hexide trio (Hunter, Gus, and Willow), I think Season 2 was going to end like this too. I just wish they had more time to flesh out those relationships, Hunter and Willow's relationship and Hunter and Gus' bromance
Edit: Also I love your analyses of Hunter/"Team B". I don't think many people point out that Hunter is a fish-out-of-water character due to him being isolated in the Emperor's Coven, making Gus and Willow the characters who guide him to reality isn't talked about enough tbh. The dynamic of Team B is amazing, and I think I love them more than Team A tbh. Their chemistry is just *muah*. On top of that, his growth with his Grimwalker origins is so unique and the Owl House team uses the possibilities of this revelation to the fullest.
At first I thought Belos was Phillip's brother. That one of them died and the other took his name while trying to find a portal home. I was still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in thinking something was wearing his skin or corrupting his mind. Then I saw Hollow Mind and I was like "Oh..so he's evil evil" He's not cursed, that's just all the souls he crushed and consumed trying to escape. I would be terrified too.
The saddest thing about this show ending is that the outro music for the Owl House videos is such a banger and it's gonna be sad not hearing it in new toh videos
4:07 this part was UNCALLED FOR
“Closest’s worth of skeletons” ? You do realize that you have an ENTIRE HAUNTED CITY BLOCK!!!
I honestly like the fact that Hunter seems closer to Willow and Gus than Luz and Amity
I think the main reason luz breaks dowk at the reveal is that for all of her efforts to fight and beat belos. In the end shes the reason he finally got to the collector and developed the sigils (which im assuming are mostly light glyph based)
Glad that the community adopted Enzo Gabriel 5 seconds after he made Belos into nickelodeon slime
Finally someone mentioned the animation omg. Story was definitely better in S2 tho
Honestly i feel owl house was always worth the hype. It simply was. It came out of the gate on fire and only grew hotter
I'm sure you're hearing this a lot from the other people commenting, but please hear me out till the end.
Luz isn't destroyed emotionally because she was idolizing Phillip. She reacted like that because she blames herself for EVERYTHING!!
Look back at her actions and words throughout the series. Armchair psychologist here, but she has ZERO self-worth due to her being bullied and ostracized in the human world (and probably blames herself for her dad's death) and Camila misdiagnosed her problem as "being too lost in fantasy to make friends" rather than retreating to fantasy as some form of escape for her problems. Combine that with feeling responsible for Eda's power loss & capture, their money troubles, making her Mom cry after accidentally confessing that she CHOSE to stay in the Boiling Isles and is now trapped there, and now helping Belos achieve his personal "Holy Genocide Run" of the Demon Realm...
Girl needs therapy. Straight up.
So thing about Alador. He's been with Odalia for a long time. The fact of the matter is that he knows how to talk to his wife. He knows how to get her to hold back. And the thing is, I don't think he's as focused on that as wanting his daughter to succeed and be the best. I honestly think he was a good dad, but neglectful in that Odalia had him working all the time.
I think that luz reacted the way she did when she found out that Belos is Philip is more so because she realized that if she hadn't helped him than he wouldn't have had the power he had and the coven system wouldnt exist.
this show really deserved another season
Not really
@@billcipher8447 L opinion 😆
I feel like the reason Luz broke down is the realisation she helped Phillip by giving him the light glyph
I want to point out that the reason luz is broken by belos being phillip is explained at the start of the next episode
"I was a part of his plan"
I'm not sure if I would call Hunter's arc a redemption one. He never really was a villain, nor evil, he has nothing to redeem for.
I feel it’s kinda a realization arc. It’s hard to call him a villain when he very much was groomed since creation to be Belos’ lap dog and not understand/realize the atrocities that he’s committing or befalling him. His arc is much more a steady realization of the truth than that of villainy to heroics.
I’m a huge King fan because he reminds me so much of my puppy! He’s actually been my favorite character for a good while.
i always liked king and hooty because they are plus ones. as an oldest child it’s always felt like my path has had to be the perfect story for my parents to tell, and my siblings always felt like the plus ones in that narrative. i never liked being the chosen one to go to college and do what my dad wants, and my siblings have always felt left out of the plot because of their being literally part of the house, or the pet of the show (figuratively lol). i like how luz stops being the main thing so much in season 2, and how king and hooty got their own things, how everyone got their own things.
Omg where did you get that catradora poster?
www.redbubble.com/i/poster/Catradora-Girl-Gang-AU-by-artisticsnachel/36973491.LVTDI
I still think Lumity was done way too quickly mainly due to Amity barely appearing in season 1 plus not having a more believe I now I find you likeable to I want to know if we can be more of anything Hunter and Willow is a more believable ship than amity and Luz
14:03 that's the wonderful thing about healthy relationships and open communication though! If it's done correctly it genuinely can make any misstep be able to be worked through, and we rarely see it portrayed like it's unrealistic or something
Thanks for the vid! I love that Luz is an anime junkie too. The characters they brought back and developed for Season 2 were impressive and I liked that they made the B Team too.
Hunter's full-on panic attack that Bellows was "worried about him" and was looking for him breathes for a precarious moment where he either could have ditched Gus for Bellows because Hunter was indeed approval-seeking and that's not something you get over overnight. That he is extending his support system in healthier ways is such a joy to see and I'm happy for him.
Literally finished S2 yesterday and all I have to say is: " Why does it gotta end so soon?"
I agree that the one of the greatest fantasy’s is having friends
I'm glad I'm not the only person who didn't think season 1 was as good as everyone said it was
Really glad I stuck around for season 2 though, holy crap is it a banger
I agree with you on lumity- I personally really want to see amity be the one to mess up in their relationship, since overwhelmingly it’s only been luz.
I absolutely ADORE this video and it's review, but there are two things that bugged me with it that weren't quite right--
One, that Luz had a breakdown because she idolized Phillip. She indirectly helped him get to The Collector and she blames herself. Her character has always been that she puts higher standards on herself than others, she's more mad at herself for being tricked, for not seeing it sooner.
Two, while Alador should still be held accountable for what he did, the example you used misunderstood the meaning behind it. It's not him being opportunistic, it's him learning and speaking the language of his abuser to get around things. He knows morals and emotions don't work on Odalia, the ONLY way to get her to listen is to talk business, a way that benefits her.
I feel like hootie is more the plus one than king. I mean hootie is pure comedy relevant where as king has always been treated as an character with wants and needs.
I think king is a bit underrated. The collector is the perfect foil for him and from the little they interacted he has shown he can somewhat handle him. Earlier in the show he was shown to be child like and everyone treated him as such. From this experience he knows how a child feels and reacts like the collector. So his smooth talking will be a big contributor on how much the collector messes up their world.
0:45 I kind of feel that way about Amphibia S1 as well. It makes sense to use some relatively filler episodes in the first season to flesh out the characters and get us to love them, then *really* hammer down on the pain.
Owl House did it Great with there characters and story arcs
I think Luz was shattered by the philip reveal less of it being him and more that she provided him with tools to create his reign of terror, namely the light glyp and the way to speak to the collector
yeah i think they will make a portal at the end , king is a titan and im sure he is willing to donate his blood to be with his big sister whenever they like
14:03 I guess it wasn't until Lumity that I was aware of just how often that's used, MIScommunication causing rifts and drama and the like, time and time again. Part of why I like Lumity so much is that actually showcasing a healthy relationship where they _don't_ immediately jump to the worst possible conclusion after hearing only half of a conversation or any of the multitudes of similar tropes. They understand and accept each other and even when they get frustrated or make mistakes use that persistent communication to make things right. It's so *REFRESHING.*
I love them not just as characters, but I love their *relationship* because of how it inspires me to be that kind of person for other people.
One thing I love about Belos' writing is how he is completely the opposite of all the other cast members. Almost every cast member, including side characters, is designed to subvert expectations. Luz thinks she wants a fantasy world and deep dives into magic, but ultimately what makes her happy and allows her to grow is the connections she makes there. She wanted a fantasy world but she NEEDED a world that listened to her. King is a delusional child who finds out his delusionals are real and its the biggest fear in his life. Eda is presented at first glance as a self interested criminal, she even refers to King as a roommate rather than someone close to her. Yet shes one of the most caring and loving people on the Isles and it was just an issue of allowing herself to be that. Hunter is a dominating and intimidating force, he comes off as cocky and powerful, episode 6 INSTANTLY ruins that image by making him literally powerless and shattering the image of a headstrong guy when hes actually a domestic abuse victim. So many characters subvert expectations and their development serves to show that and how their story before we get to the Isles influences their actions. Belos is one of very few outliars to that writing style. He is consistently predictable, all "twists" relating to him are not even attempted to be hidden, the only real hidden thing is his view of the witches and his final plan. I just find it extremely fitting that the character representing the unchanging and the old order is the character whos written to be predictable and consistently linear.
19:10 but it wasn't just that she idolized him or sth, she also realized that the only other human on the boiling isles never made it back
It’s nice to see someone cover the pros and cons of the show. I’ve overall enjoyed it and am excited for Season 3 but there are some parts that lack and they’re worth talking about.
What I love about season1 is that it first focused more on exploring the world and the main characters instead of just rushing to a plot. The fact that the first season focused on exploring the world, the different systems and powers and building up the background for future ideas and episodes was amazing. All the things we would have wanted to see in season 1 was focused on, that way season 2 could focus more on a/the main plot