This idiot doesn't actually watch half the shit he covers, he just steals his work from Wikipedia articles. His glaring error about Spock plus the fact that he doesn't pronounce Chekov's name right is all the evidence you need to see that this asshole is a hack.
The one design element that bugged me immediately was that engineering on this Enterprise looked like a converted industrial facility and not a "room". There was no sense of how it fitted inside the ship, like all of the other Enterprise locations since the beginning.
I have to agree. Almost everything else about this film is fantastic and imaginative (the drill para-diving sequence is EPIC) but the "brewery" scenes almost take me out of the movie.
I hated it immensely. I knew I was looking at a brewery, and anyone else would easily see how out of place the old-school structural I-Beam columns and framing were, no matter how much they dressed up the stainless brewkettles with future-tech nurnage. I felt like they thought we were stupid. Really. I can think of no other high-budget production that cheated this way, their productions having spacecraft interior set designs with swept bulkheads and framework, at least trying to “look” like star ship construction. But no, not this movie. Whoever scouted locations had to be completely ignorant of the expectations of Star Trek fans, and science fiction fans in general, not to mention how anachronistic a large part of the Budweiser brewery is at large, not lending itself to existing within the core of the Enterprise. I have toured that plant, and the rows of gleaming stainless vessels with all the obsessively ordered control systems are indeed a marvel of 21st century technology, but it is still “21st century technology”, and was so thinly disguised in the film that it just “felt wrong”, especially since everything about the rest of the set design was wonderful, which I suppose is why it stood out.
I mean, the engineering “room” was just the interface room. All the brewery scenes showed the inner workings of the ship, not just the room with all the control panels that operate them, which is where James Doohan spent his time.
"for him, ST was about Kirk and Spock, and everything is like a separate space adventure with the name Star Trek on it." Why does modern Trek always has to be controlled by insufferable ignorants who clearly don't know, understand or appreciate it! Damn, you know what. Let the fandom write it, it'll be better!
They did. It was called Star Trek Nemesis. Look how that turned out. Ironic that I say this, too, because Nemesis is actually my favorite TNG era film.
The "Kelvin Timeline" was created because CBS would not allow Paramount to create their characters in the same merchandising timeline as classic Trek since Paramount didn't own any merchandising rights to the images of the original characters.
Joshua says exactly right. Another lie by jar jar abrams in excerpt here trying to justify his lack of character substance. And contrary to the narrator, there was no previous Uhura/Spock infatuation in TOS and I found Spocks portrayal more like Mirror Mirror than fitting in the Kelvin timeline. He was more like Legolas IMHO. Lens flare....what a joke.
Thanks for the analysis, now I understand why the new movies don't appeal to me so much. Too much adventure and little science. The exact opposite to the original first movie, but too much. And too much Star Wars inside. Thanks for sharing.
This Reboot is typical of most modern day Reboots that are pumped ut of Hollywood. According to today's filmakers, we Americans need more explosions, outlandish technology, forced humor, and new Canon! The sucessful shows/movies that are created from Canon, use Canon!!! This Star Trek/JJ Abrams creation ignored what made TOS So Loved; Good writing, character chemistry, and continuity! Why is there NO Star Trek 4, Because the real fan base does not fully support this version of Trek!
Lol, your a moron. The "real" fan base does not make up a fraction of ticket sales. They could all stay home and not make an appreciable impact on ticket sales. Also, your ignorance about trek is showing. Trek continuity has always been a mess, and it doesn't matter where you draw the line, TOS continuity is a mess even limited to its self. The films starting in 79 were soft reboots that chose to ignore a lot of precious canon, and TNG DS9 Voyager etc all felt free to change continuity on a whim. The fact that you seem unaware of this after 50 years of continuity issues being one of the biggest talking points of the ACTUAL fandom means you must be one of those bad faith haters, someone talking shit for attention or an agenda and not someone who is remotely invested in the franchise.
@@RaikenXion We saw Dilithium chambers fly out of those tanks near the end of the movie. The rest could be extra reactors that reconfigure antimatter so the warp core can create more energy. The water turbines control room had a sticker on one of those pipes that said "inert reactant" which means this room is for chemical experimentation. So you guys ask yourself why there are sooooo many pipes? OK, but is this a reason to hate this engine room?
@@philipps6032 It's one of quite a few reasons to hate on this engine room design, did we literally need that many PIPES!?!?!?! THIS is much better!! (shame it was used in such a wack, lame rip-off movie) www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise/enterprise-warpcore.jpg Atleast here this looks "futuristic", and very technical, prob cause it was shot at Nasa or somewhere lol, and all they had to do was dress it with those red matts on the floor that look like you could trip over them.
@@philipps6032 You may be able to suspend your imagination just from seeing a couple stickers scattered about, indicating what specific things are; but tbh most other people just saw what amounted to a "Twentieth Century Brewery" 😂 As cardboard and plastic the old sets of the engine room looked in TOS, i can appreciate that atleast the set-designers of that series, actually took the time to design and build their own Engine room set to shoot on. JJ didn't even bother to combine VFX into the live-action abandoned brewery location, he just shot it purely as is smh.
@@RaikenXion LIES. JJ DID USE CGI FOR THE ENGINE ROOM (near the end of the movie). They didn't have the Budget to build an engine Room so they filmed it in the Budweiser brewery.
CBS and Paramount both come under Viacom CBS anyway. Another TNG cast member had a voice role in the film. Will Wheaton who played Wesley Crusher in TNG had a voice role as a romulan in the film. Majel Barrett also played Lwaxana Troy in TNG. JJ Abrams had worked with Simon Pegg before on Mission Impossible 3 which Abrams directed. JJ Abrams admitted he grew up a Star Wars fan rather than Star Trek. Another thing that you missed. Originally the film makers had plans to put a post credits scene in the film. The scene would have featured Khans ship the Botany Bay revealing him as the villain for the sequel. JJ Abrams himself revealed this in the directors commentary on the DVD of the film. You have to have the commentary on even after the final credits start rolling . Its during the end credits him and the other person doing the commentary reveal they thought about putting a post credits scene in the film with the Botany Bay. Also another one the teaser trailer for the film was shot before filming started. The teaser trailer showed the Enterprise being built on earth. Abrams has actually done this with 3 films he has been involved in. Star Trek 2009, Cloverfield and Super 8. He shot the teaser trailers then they shot the films.
They were blue collar workers, not members of the military, and the shows have basically only ever shown members of the Romulan military and government (which are basically one and the same) in any significant depth. We don’t really know much about Romulan civilian culture, other than that they were a passionate people. And Nero certainly was that, if nothing else ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They should’ve had bigger shoulder pads though 😂
I would like to thank Midnight's Edge for their expose on how Kelvin is an alternate timeline of the fake original/25% different Prime Timeline in their Prime Deception video.
I thought I was a good Star Trek fan, but I don’t remember there ever being an episode where we learn that Uhura was “interested” in Spock. It was always Nurse Chapel who wanted him.
I didn’t mind this rebranding. I took issue with Spock’s portrayal because it gutted the purpose of having a logical Vulcan as part of the team. New Spock seemed to be be the most emotional one of the bunch. And annoying. Everyone else, maybe not Pine, seemed to give a good seasoning to existing characters. Pine was too cutesy in my opinion and not enough leader I thought but it’s a new age. And with all due respect to the narrator, there was no previous Uhura/Spock infatuation in TOS to develop. Zip. Notta. And I found Spocks continuous pissed off portrayal more like a TOS Mirror Mirror episode than fitting in the Kelvin timeline. He was more like a Legolas IMHO. I liked Chris Pine’s acting but really it had zero of him being Kirk. Could have been anyone. He was essentially the same character in Wonder Woman. I also give Jar Jar Abrams a fail on saying he’s a TOS fan when he showed the Enterprise being fabricated on the ground, in kirks home town, on land ...... for a glory shot. Ugh. So fun Star Wars like Star Trek movie ....more Wars than Trek though. Oh well.
OK I have two in one for you. On the DVD to this film which was released in 2009 4 years before Star Trek Into Darkness, they gave away that Khan was going to be the villain in the sequel. How and who gives it away you ask, JJ Abrams himself. Watch the DVD version of this film and put the film makers commentary on it. Keep watching till the end credits, they keep talking till about half way through the credits. JJ Abrams reveals a bit into the credits they actually thought about putting an end credits scene in. The scene would have featured Khan's shp the Botany Bay, revealing Khan as the villain for the sequel.
The Kurtzman / Orci relationship reminds me of the Zuckerberg / Saverin legacy. Kurtzman had more industry saavy and perhaps some studio know how, while Orci had the ideas and was true to canon when left to his devices and respected the franchise. Really wish Roberto was the one who was retained by CBS to pave the way forward for Trek.
Goal: Make it more like Friends meets Star Wars than Stark Trek. The heart and soul of great sci-fi, which is the heart of Star Trek, was totally ditched by JJ Abrahms. So sad :(
I love your work in general. I thought these "movies" were lacking. Spock punching people and making out on with Uhura on the lift turned me off. BTW Nimoy was an uncredited producer which made him millions. Most people don't know this.
I’m old and yet I still like the new movies, mostly. My only problem is people saying it’s as good as the original...it’s not. I don’t think it would have been as successful if it had been the first ever Star Trek film released. It’s just not enough Trek at its heart...
Indeed. Star Trek is just a flavour now, to spice tasteless robofactured products with a blatant hammered political intent. Like Star Wars, Doctor Who, Ghostbusters, MIB,...
Of all the reboot movies, this is the purest and most Trek, and I was impressed by the casting and acting, with only Sulu and Uhura not quite hitting the mark for me (no disrespect to the actors it can’t be an easy job to follow such iconic actors) but overall I was very impressed and I still love it. I did feel there were diminishing returns in the sequels, tho.
I really love all your hard work and in depth exploration of all things Star Trek and Sci-Fi. My question is what happened to the hauntingly beautiful music you used to use at the end of most of your older videos. That music is what made your videos stand out from other videos with similar content. How can I hear that music again? Did you compose it yourself? Thanks for your time.
Thank you 🙏 so much, I think it might’ve been music from The Legend of Zelda game, it’s music I really like but every time I put it on a video people always say In the comments why is the Legend of Zelda music on in the background?
@@JonnyBaak Thanks for replying, I like the music from the Legend of Zelda. Do you know which game it's from? I say put it back in, it was dope and added character to your videos. Please keep up the amazing work. Also I'd really like your views on Star Trek Discovery and the future of the Star Trek franchise. Please make a video on the DS9 documentary if you can. Thanks!
Kurtzman, Lindeloff and Jar Jar guaranteed that new Star Trek would ultimately fail... as would Discovery and Picard... AND Star Wars too. What a shame.
9:56 - CAPTAIN Christopher Pike. And I'm going to say on the record, I find it funny that the producers/director/writer did their homework on Star Trek, yet the haters didn't.
Yeah, if there's anything about that I don't like the Easter eggs are so dense that they become distracting. But those that say the producers writers and director knew nothing about star trek are obviously oblivious.
@@danielwilliamson6180 Wow thats 3 whole movies. I used to watch 3 movies a week. For about 20 years. It was a ok movie, just not a good Star Trek movie.
I found it ultimately unsatisfying and kind of annoying while also being pretty entertaining. I recognize that movies like these are not for ME (a star trek TOS/TNG and original SW trilogy fan), but rather for people looking for different markers of enjoyment beyond the familiar. I get that. I try not to get annoyed by Marvel films filled with 1-dimensional characters (yes, I know they're based on comics), forced humor, macho shit, and unceasing mind-numbing action, instead of the more "thoughtful" and "meaningful" films I grew up with. It's hard, but I manage. Most of the time.
12:22 That's Cal State Northridge's Oviatt Library used for Star Fleet Academy. And Tustin is pronounced Tuhh stin not Toostin, but that's ok. I was a student there when they filmed it. It was either during Christmas break or Spring Break, I think Spring Break, and they wouldn't tell us what it was at all. The actual shots were done over the weekend I am pretty sure because I was in that library every day of school studying my butt off and all I ever saw where those giant metal pillars they left up for a few days and never the shooting. As for the movie, like so many others pointed out, it didn't revive Star Trek it killed Star Trek. JJ has the Midas Touch of Death. First to Star Trek and now to Star Wars. What a legacy that guy is building. Discovery is a joke and has nothing of Roddenberry anywhere to be found in it. The Orville and Star Trek Continues carry on Roddenberry's legacy. Thank goodness!
The Romulans in the original series, like in the episode “balance of terror”, were modelled after the ancient Romans. They had dignity, depth, gravitas and soul. The Romulans in this reboot movie were modelled in their dialogue and behaviour on the problem kids in my old high school, the ones who did everything they could to piss off the teacher. As soon as I heard the line “Hi Christopher, I’m Nero”, I felt like throwing my popcorn at the screen and asking for my money back. I also knew that I hated this movie when I found myself falling asleep the three times that I tried to watch it in the theatre. Instead of engaging me, the incessant and over-the-top action in this movie actually put me to sleep. This movie was made for teenagers and people with a maximum 3 minute attention-span.
I remember being excited for this movie when the trailer came out. 10 Years later, it's staggering to see how far Star Trek and Star Wars have sunk since then (and others). They're divisive, politically infused pc nonsense with shallow echoes of the previous greatness. I'll even take the special effects and models used in ST I, II and III over this CGI overload that just gives me a headache to watch. Star Trek is always best told in TV format, I'd bet 95+% of everyone's favorite Star Trek moments happened in one TV show or another. To try to reboot in big budget movie style was a mistake, we never really get to like or care about these characters compared to the TV shows. It's just hyper action and noise. Then they followed up with ST Discovery...
In the Kelvin time line, Delta Vega is in orbit with Vulcan. It's an ice planet. On TOS " Where no man has gone before", it's a dry dusty desert planet loaded with dilithium. It's located at the edge of the galaxy, it's uninhabited.
It was a very good film. But most Star Trek fans will agree. It wasn't Star Trek. I'm sorry but Star Trek isn't Star Wars no matter how much JJ Abraham might want it to be.
Great work, Jonny. This movie is a guilty pleasure for sure. But it's not good, nor Star Trek. It's fast-paced like a roller-coaster, full of saturated lights and pewpew guns, well acted (except for Eric Bana); but without a story, a heart and a soul, it's empty and bland. The so-called alternate Kevin or Prime timeline seems to be a narrative tool, but it's mainly a scam by Abrams & Co through their production firms, designed to make money with toys and stuff. It tanked during the CBS-Paramount inner struggles and JJ went ruining Star Wars the same way... See the doc by Midnight's Edge After Dark, *Star Trek Discovery: The Prime Deception - CBS and Paramount Viacom Rights Explained* (czcams.com/video/ojtX_Oz4WsU/video.html).
Sadly this was the height of Star Trek being Cool and Mainstream.... then Paramount fumbled the ball and gave us STiD far too late. Beyond bombed, and the current CBS Show is Trash. Wasted potential. This film put Trek on the map, and then corporate stupidity screwed it up.
@NOT YOU STD isn't mrainstream though, it's niche. It has less viewers than Enterprise during it's near cancellation days. Star Trek 2009 was definitely mainstream, and it worked. It just got botched after that.
Everything about this film was fantastic (cast, music, fx, sets) except for the garbage script and the whole "Kelvin Timeline" nonsense which completely ruined it. I didn't even bother watching the next two spinoff movies. The worst sin was how Abrams and Co. completely wasted one of the best set of cast members ever assembled for a movie. The casting in this film was absolutely brilliant. But the "alternate universe" ruined it all.
I have enjoyed all your videos, however this one I could not get past the 3:20 mark. NOT because of your information, but because listening to the list of writing hacks that have collectively destroyed beloved IP's and keep failing upwards is just too much. They are the worst band of story thieves and not giving a crap about any IP's History. Bad Reboot/Secret Hijack ...oyyy..(And Jar Jar Abrams has said numerous times he wasn't a big fan of Trek. As is obvious now.)
At some point, the studio's sequel addiction degrades the original product to the point people get fatigued by the endless reboots and remakes and it all becomes background noise that nobody gives a flying damn about. It's the cinematic equivalent to genetic drift; unviable garbage that can't stand on its own. William Shatner and Patrick Stewart have to be partially embalmed on a monthly basis. Both have died and just lack the good grace to go lay down somewhere. The rest of the TNG crew are living off fees to appear at Trek festivals and comic cons. What I'm saying is, Star Trek is DONE. I know that will piss off the people in their mommy's basement who debate all things "Trek" as if it's reality, but the dna of the thing has been cloned and spliced and altered to the point of absurdity. Let it go. Write new stuff on a clean slate. There are fans who do fan fiction that is far superior to what is coming from Hollywood. Create something new and quit worshipping Gene Roddenberry.
I don't like Star Wars. I like Star Trek. This movie is not like Star Trek, to me. It is like Star Wars, as are the followups. I therefore do not like this movie. The acting might be good, but to me, that is NOT Kirk, that is NOT Spock, that is NOT Uhura, Bones, Scotty, Chekov, Sulu etc. Especially Sulu. It looks like they just hired the first Asian looking guy that came to mind! Terrible movie. I will show no forgiveness.
Did we forget that Spock being bullied as a child was also mentioned in the original series episode Journey to Babel.
Truth
And the TAS Ep Yesteryear!
This idiot doesn't actually watch half the shit he covers, he just steals his work from Wikipedia articles. His glaring error about Spock plus the fact that he doesn't pronounce Chekov's name right is all the evidence you need to see that this asshole is a hack.
Nah i guess what we/they forgot was that Kirk had a brother in TOS, or that the Enterprise wasn'nt the first ship he served on.
The one design element that bugged me immediately was that engineering on this Enterprise looked like a converted industrial facility and not a "room". There was no sense of how it fitted inside the ship, like all of the other Enterprise locations since the beginning.
I have to agree. Almost everything else about this film is fantastic and imaginative (the drill para-diving sequence is EPIC) but the "brewery" scenes almost take me out of the movie.
Agreed. It's like modern day sea vessel, to cater for non-trekkies.
It wasn't engineering. It was all liquids and other stuff that enterprise need.
I hated it immensely. I knew I was looking at a brewery, and anyone else would easily see how out of place the old-school structural I-Beam columns and framing were, no matter how much they dressed up the stainless brewkettles with future-tech nurnage. I felt like they thought we were stupid. Really. I can think of no other high-budget production that cheated this way, their productions having spacecraft interior set designs with swept bulkheads and framework, at least trying to “look” like star ship construction. But no, not this movie. Whoever scouted locations had to be completely ignorant of the expectations of Star Trek fans, and science fiction fans in general, not to mention how anachronistic a large part of the Budweiser brewery is at large, not lending itself to existing within the core of the Enterprise. I have toured that plant, and the rows of gleaming stainless vessels with all the obsessively ordered control systems are indeed a marvel of 21st century technology, but it is still “21st century technology”, and was so thinly disguised in the film that it just “felt wrong”, especially since everything about the rest of the set design was wonderful, which I suppose is why it stood out.
I mean, the engineering “room” was just the interface room. All the brewery scenes showed the inner workings of the ship, not just the room with all the control panels that operate them, which is where James Doohan spent his time.
Lifelong trek fan. This was such a great movie.
"for him, ST was about Kirk and Spock, and everything is like a separate space adventure with the name Star Trek on it."
Why does modern Trek always has to be controlled by insufferable ignorants who clearly don't know, understand or appreciate it! Damn, you know what. Let the fandom write it, it'll be better!
They did. It was called Star Trek Nemesis. Look how that turned out. Ironic that I say this, too, because Nemesis is actually my favorite TNG era film.
The "Kelvin Timeline" was created because CBS would not allow Paramount to create their characters in the same merchandising timeline as classic Trek since Paramount didn't own any merchandising rights to the images of the original characters.
Joshua says exactly right. Another lie by jar jar abrams in excerpt here trying to justify his lack of character substance.
And contrary to the narrator, there was no previous Uhura/Spock infatuation in TOS and I found Spocks portrayal more like Mirror Mirror than fitting in the Kelvin timeline. He was more like Legolas IMHO.
Lens flare....what a joke.
Another great video. Thanks Johnathan.
Thanks for sharing JonnyBaak you do a wonderful job with all of this.
Very nice and informative video. Incredible that this movie was released 10 years ago already!
Great video and narration as expected! 🖖🖖
This is Perfect for people who have not seen Star Trek (2009) I love the way you added that Leonard Nimoy will always be Mr. Spock
Thank you for your work. Very interesting even though I’m not sure how I feel about this approach to Star Trek. Maybe I’m getting too old.
Thanks so much, yes the Star Trek community is very divided on this one. Some hate it and some love it!
Phagl Productions you're not getting old, you just dislike crappy reboot movies pushing agendas.
@@JonnyBaak how old are yo I'm curious
Thanks for the analysis, now I understand why the new movies don't appeal to me so much. Too much adventure and little science. The exact opposite to the original first movie, but too much. And too much Star Wars inside. Thanks for sharing.
This Reboot is typical of most modern day Reboots that are pumped ut of Hollywood. According to today's filmakers, we Americans need more explosions, outlandish technology, forced humor, and new Canon! The sucessful shows/movies that are created from Canon, use Canon!!! This Star Trek/JJ Abrams creation ignored what made TOS So Loved; Good writing, character chemistry, and continuity! Why is there NO Star Trek 4, Because the real fan base does not fully support this version of Trek!
Lol, your a moron. The "real" fan base does not make up a fraction of ticket sales. They could all stay home and not make an appreciable impact on ticket sales.
Also, your ignorance about trek is showing. Trek continuity has always been a mess, and it doesn't matter where you draw the line, TOS continuity is a mess even limited to its self. The films starting in 79 were soft reboots that chose to ignore a lot of precious canon, and TNG DS9 Voyager etc all felt free to change continuity on a whim.
The fact that you seem unaware of this after 50 years of continuity issues being one of the biggest talking points of the ACTUAL fandom means you must be one of those bad faith haters, someone talking shit for attention or an agenda and not someone who is remotely invested in the franchise.
I knew there was something i didnt like about Chris Pine
its the Tom Cruise part of him
Ha, very good.
the only one thing you need to know about (fake) star trek 2009 is it is a crap
Engineering was inspired by the abandoned brewery the location scout found for free.
And it looked just like that lol, NOT futuristic or like something from a Warp capable "Starship".
@@RaikenXion We saw Dilithium chambers fly out of those tanks near the end of the movie. The rest could be extra reactors that reconfigure antimatter so the warp core can create more energy. The water turbines control room had a sticker on one of those pipes that said "inert reactant" which means this room is for chemical experimentation. So you guys ask yourself why there are sooooo many pipes? OK, but is this a reason to hate this engine room?
@@philipps6032 It's one of quite a few reasons to hate on this engine room design, did we literally need that many PIPES!?!?!?!
THIS is much better!! (shame it was used in such a wack, lame rip-off movie)
www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise/enterprise-warpcore.jpg
Atleast here this looks "futuristic", and very technical, prob cause it was shot at Nasa or somewhere lol, and all they had to do was dress it with those red matts on the floor that look like you could trip over them.
@@philipps6032 You may be able to suspend your imagination just from seeing a couple stickers scattered about, indicating what specific things are; but tbh most other people just saw what amounted to a "Twentieth Century Brewery" 😂
As cardboard and plastic the old sets of the engine room looked in TOS, i can appreciate that atleast the set-designers of that series, actually took the time to design and build their own Engine room set to shoot on.
JJ didn't even bother to combine VFX into the live-action abandoned brewery location, he just shot it purely as is smh.
@@RaikenXion LIES. JJ DID USE CGI FOR THE ENGINE ROOM (near the end of the movie). They didn't have the Budget to build an engine Room so they filmed it in the Budweiser brewery.
CBS and Paramount both come under Viacom CBS anyway. Another TNG cast member had a voice role in the film. Will Wheaton who played Wesley Crusher in TNG had a voice role as a romulan in the film. Majel Barrett also played Lwaxana Troy in TNG. JJ Abrams had worked with Simon Pegg before on Mission Impossible 3 which Abrams directed. JJ Abrams admitted he grew up a Star Wars fan rather than Star Trek. Another thing that you missed. Originally the film makers had plans to put a post credits scene in the film. The scene would have featured Khans ship the Botany Bay revealing him as the villain for the sequel. JJ Abrams himself revealed this in the directors commentary on the DVD of the film. You have to have the commentary on even after the final credits start rolling . Its during the end credits him and the other person doing the commentary reveal they thought about putting a post credits scene in the film with the Botany Bay. Also another one the teaser trailer for the film was shot before filming started. The teaser trailer showed the Enterprise being built on earth. Abrams has actually done this with 3 films he has been involved in. Star Trek 2009, Cloverfield and Super 8. He shot the teaser trailers then they shot the films.
Too bad the romulans in this film were about as much romulan as I am.
They were blue collar workers, not members of the military, and the shows have basically only ever shown members of the Romulan military and government (which are basically one and the same) in any significant depth. We don’t really know much about Romulan civilian culture, other than that they were a passionate people. And Nero certainly was that, if nothing else ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ They should’ve had bigger shoulder pads though 😂
I have not prepared fresh insults. Good documentary, thank you!
I would like to thank Midnight's Edge for their expose on how Kelvin is an alternate timeline of the fake original/25% different Prime Timeline in their Prime Deception video.
And I would love it if people would get their heads out of their rear ends on that utter nonsense.
@@FanboyimusPrime Hey, when consumers are misled, outrage happens.
I thought I was a good Star Trek fan, but I don’t remember there ever being an episode where we learn that Uhura was “interested” in Spock. It was always Nurse Chapel who wanted him.
The best part about this movie was the lens flare.
Also the *most* part of this movie ✨
I didn’t mind this rebranding. I took issue with Spock’s portrayal because it gutted the purpose of having a logical Vulcan as part of the team. New Spock seemed to be be the most emotional one of the bunch. And annoying. Everyone else, maybe not Pine, seemed to give a good seasoning to existing characters. Pine was too cutesy in my opinion and not enough leader I thought but it’s a new age.
And with all due respect to the narrator, there was no previous Uhura/Spock infatuation in TOS to develop. Zip. Notta. And I found Spocks continuous pissed off portrayal more like a TOS Mirror Mirror episode than fitting in the Kelvin timeline. He was more like a Legolas IMHO.
I liked Chris Pine’s acting but really it had zero of him being Kirk. Could have been anyone. He was essentially the same character in Wonder Woman.
I also give Jar Jar Abrams a fail on saying he’s a TOS fan when he showed the Enterprise being fabricated on the ground, in kirks home town, on land ...... for a glory shot. Ugh.
So fun Star Wars like Star Trek movie ....more Wars than Trek though. Oh well.
I hated the fact that the starships were built on the ground. The ship is built in space. It's made to work in space.
OK I have two in one for you. On the DVD to this film which was released in 2009 4 years before Star Trek Into Darkness, they gave away that Khan was going to be the villain in the sequel. How and who gives it away you ask, JJ Abrams himself. Watch the DVD version of this film and put the film makers commentary on it. Keep watching till the end credits, they keep talking till about half way through the credits. JJ Abrams reveals a bit into the credits they actually thought about putting an end credits scene in. The scene would have featured Khan's shp the Botany Bay, revealing Khan as the villain for the sequel.
I saw the Star Trek (2009 ) movie at the Movie Theaters when the film was released.
The Kurtzman / Orci relationship reminds me of the Zuckerberg / Saverin legacy. Kurtzman had more industry saavy and perhaps some studio know how, while Orci had the ideas and was true to canon when left to his devices and respected the franchise. Really wish Roberto was the one who was retained by CBS to pave the way forward for Trek.
Bronzegebyron well Roberto was supposed to direcr stat trek beyond but he got fired by parmoynt because of creative differences
Chris Pratt would have been so much better as Kirk.
Goal: Make it more like Friends meets Star Wars than Stark Trek. The heart and soul of great sci-fi, which is the heart of Star Trek, was totally ditched by JJ Abrahms. So sad :(
"...some bright young thing would come along and do it again... better"
And instead we get JarJar
Are you going to be doing a Everything you need to know about Star Trek for the last two abram films?
It had lotsa splosions and that's all i want in a star trek movie.
I love your work in general.
I thought these "movies" were lacking. Spock punching people and making out on with Uhura on the lift turned me off.
BTW Nimoy was an uncredited producer which made him millions. Most people don't know this.
@NOT YOU DID.
@NOT YOU Umm maybe you never read the original memo:This is exactly WHAT Trek was ALWAYS about!
@@DMSProduktions But Roddenberry did it with class, and that matters!
@@TheRadioAteMyTV This is true!
Frank Munz Spock and Uhura was a bad joke. Cringe.
I’m old and yet I still like the new movies, mostly. My only problem is people saying it’s as good as the original...it’s not. I don’t think it would have been as successful if it had been the first ever Star Trek film released. It’s just not enough Trek at its heart...
Indeed. Star Trek is just a flavour now, to spice tasteless robofactured products with a blatant hammered political intent. Like Star Wars, Doctor Who, Ghostbusters, MIB,...
Well done sir !
Of all the reboot movies, this is the purest and most Trek, and I was impressed by the casting and acting, with only Sulu and Uhura not quite hitting the mark for me (no disrespect to the actors it can’t be an easy job to follow such iconic actors) but overall I was very impressed and I still love it. I did feel there were diminishing returns in the sequels, tho.
I saw both sequels, and STiD was a joke...It looked ok, but the way that Kahn was brought in made me decide to never watch it again.
I really love all your hard work and in depth exploration of all things Star Trek and Sci-Fi. My question is what happened to the hauntingly beautiful music you used to use at the end of most of your older videos. That music is what made your videos stand out from other videos with similar content. How can I hear that music again? Did you compose it yourself? Thanks for your time.
Thank you 🙏 so much, I think it might’ve been music from The Legend of Zelda game, it’s music I really like but every time I put it on a video people always say In the comments why is the Legend of Zelda music on in the background?
@@JonnyBaak Thanks for replying, I like the music from the Legend of Zelda. Do you know which game it's from? I say put it back in, it was dope and added character to your videos. Please keep up the amazing work. Also I'd really like your views on Star Trek Discovery and the future of the Star Trek franchise. Please make a video on the DS9 documentary if you can. Thanks!
Kurtzman, Lindeloff and Jar Jar guaranteed that new Star Trek would ultimately fail... as would Discovery and Picard... AND Star Wars too. What a shame.
9:56 - CAPTAIN Christopher Pike.
And I'm going to say on the record, I find it funny that the producers/director/writer did their homework on Star Trek, yet the haters didn't.
Yeah, if there's anything about that I don't like the Easter eggs are so dense that they become distracting. But those that say the producers writers and director knew nothing about star trek are obviously oblivious.
The jj Abraham movies are entertaining but don’t feel like Star Trek anymore.
25% less Trek
100% Star wars!😂😂😂
Std 100% less trek
Std 100% less trek
When you start doing Star Trek into darkness and Star Trek beyond
U guys were all Hollywood magicians
What about Star Trek into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond
I was disappointed that Star Trek 2009 was fashioned after Star Wars. They are two different entities and should stay that way
What about in the darkness and beyond
I love the 2009 reboot. It is G-R-E-A-T!!!! One of the best movies I've ever watched in my life.
You must not have seen very much movies then.
@@notatthistime3867 Wrong! I've watched a lot of movie. I've recently watched Star Wars: Rise OF Skywalker and Jumanji: The Next Level.
@@danielwilliamson6180 Wow thats 3 whole movies. I used to watch 3 movies a week. For about 20 years. It was a ok movie, just not a good Star Trek movie.
I found it ultimately unsatisfying and kind of annoying while also being pretty entertaining. I recognize that movies like these are not for ME (a star trek TOS/TNG and original SW trilogy fan), but rather for people looking for different markers of enjoyment beyond the familiar. I get that. I try not to get annoyed by Marvel films filled with 1-dimensional characters (yes, I know they're based on comics), forced humor, macho shit, and unceasing mind-numbing action, instead of the more "thoughtful" and "meaningful" films I grew up with. It's hard, but I manage.
Most of the time.
12:22 That's Cal State Northridge's Oviatt Library used for Star Fleet Academy. And Tustin is pronounced Tuhh stin not Toostin, but that's ok. I was a student there when they filmed it. It was either during Christmas break or Spring Break, I think Spring Break, and they wouldn't tell us what it was at all. The actual shots were done over the weekend I am pretty sure because I was in that library every day of school studying my butt off and all I ever saw where those giant metal pillars they left up for a few days and never the shooting.
As for the movie, like so many others pointed out, it didn't revive Star Trek it killed Star Trek. JJ has the Midas Touch of Death. First to Star Trek and now to Star Wars. What a legacy that guy is building. Discovery is a joke and has nothing of Roddenberry anywhere to be found in it. The Orville and Star Trek Continues carry on Roddenberry's legacy. Thank goodness!
"Marine Corps" is pronounced like "marine core," not "marine corpse!"
Chris Hemsworth would have made a better Kirk, but they made him the Dad instead.
looking back it's just hack work, JJ can't tell a story with out putting lens flairs in the middle of the action
The Romulans in the original series, like in the episode “balance of terror”, were modelled after the ancient Romans. They had dignity, depth, gravitas and soul. The Romulans in this reboot movie were modelled in their dialogue and behaviour on the problem kids in my old high school, the ones who did everything they could to piss off the teacher. As soon as I heard the line “Hi Christopher, I’m Nero”, I felt like throwing my popcorn at the screen and asking for my money back. I also knew that I hated this movie when I found myself falling asleep the three times that I tried to watch it in the theatre. Instead of engaging me, the incessant and over-the-top action in this movie actually put me to sleep. This movie was made for teenagers and people with a maximum 3 minute attention-span.
I liked the new movies and bought the 3 DVD pack with all three of them. I also liked Star Trek Nemesis
So you are the one!
Abrams and Co. have destroyed ST.
I remember being excited for this movie when the trailer came out. 10 Years later, it's staggering to see how far Star Trek and Star Wars have sunk since then (and others). They're divisive, politically infused pc nonsense with shallow echoes of the previous greatness.
I'll even take the special effects and models used in ST I, II and III over this CGI overload that just gives me a headache to watch. Star Trek is always best told in TV format, I'd bet 95+% of everyone's favorite Star Trek moments happened in one TV show or another. To try to reboot in big budget movie style was a mistake, we never really get to like or care about these characters compared to the TV shows. It's just hyper action and noise.
Then they followed up with ST Discovery...
In the Kelvin time line, Delta Vega is in orbit with Vulcan. It's an ice planet.
On TOS " Where no man has gone before", it's a dry dusty desert planet loaded with dilithium. It's located at the edge of the galaxy, it's uninhabited.
And it's all Hollywood in the end.
PAH-vel not pa-VEL... You HAVE seen the show, right??
I like this movie as its own thing well enough... but not as Star Trek.
Abrams is great at rebooting a franchise.
unfortunately, his sequels destroy the franchise as well.
It was a very good film. But most Star Trek fans will agree. It wasn't Star Trek. I'm sorry but Star Trek isn't Star Wars no matter how much JJ Abraham might want it to be.
Great work, Jonny. This movie is a guilty pleasure for sure. But it's not good, nor Star Trek. It's fast-paced like a roller-coaster, full of saturated lights and pewpew guns, well acted (except for Eric Bana); but without a story, a heart and a soul, it's empty and bland. The so-called alternate Kevin or Prime timeline seems to be a narrative tool, but it's mainly a scam by Abrams & Co through their production firms, designed to make money with toys and stuff. It tanked during the CBS-Paramount inner struggles and JJ went ruining Star Wars the same way... See the doc by Midnight's Edge After Dark, *Star Trek Discovery: The Prime Deception - CBS and Paramount Viacom Rights Explained* (czcams.com/video/ojtX_Oz4WsU/video.html).
Sadly this was the height of Star Trek being Cool and Mainstream.... then Paramount fumbled the ball and gave us STiD far too late. Beyond bombed, and the current CBS Show is Trash. Wasted potential. This film put Trek on the map, and then corporate stupidity screwed it up.
@NOT YOU STD isn't mrainstream though, it's niche. It has less viewers than Enterprise during it's near cancellation days. Star Trek 2009 was definitely mainstream, and it worked. It just got botched after that.
@NOT YOU And that's not mainstream.
it’s pronounced T”UH”S-Tin
california.
Everything about this film was fantastic (cast, music, fx, sets) except for the garbage script and the whole "Kelvin Timeline" nonsense which completely ruined it. I didn't even bother watching the next two spinoff movies. The worst sin was how Abrams and Co. completely wasted one of the best set of cast members ever assembled for a movie. The casting in this film was absolutely brilliant. But the "alternate universe" ruined it all.
Bad Reboot... franchise destroyers.
I have enjoyed all your videos, however this one I could not get past the 3:20 mark. NOT because of your information, but because listening to the list of writing hacks that have collectively destroyed beloved IP's and keep failing upwards is just too much. They are the worst band of story thieves and not giving a crap about any IP's History. Bad Reboot/Secret Hijack ...oyyy..(And Jar Jar Abrams has said numerous times he wasn't a big fan of Trek. As is obvious now.)
At some point, the studio's sequel addiction degrades the original product to the point people get fatigued by the endless reboots and remakes and it all becomes background noise that nobody gives a flying damn about. It's the cinematic equivalent to genetic drift; unviable garbage that can't stand on its own. William Shatner and Patrick Stewart have to be partially embalmed on a monthly basis. Both have died and just lack the good grace to go lay down somewhere. The rest of the TNG crew are living off fees to appear at Trek festivals and comic cons. What I'm saying is, Star Trek is DONE. I know that will piss off the people in their mommy's basement who debate all things "Trek" as if it's reality, but the dna of the thing has been cloned and spliced and altered to the point of absurdity. Let it go. Write new stuff on a clean slate. There are fans who do fan fiction that is far superior to what is coming from Hollywood. Create something new and quit worshipping Gene Roddenberry.
Why do you struggle with the name Zachary? Also, Orci isn't pronounced like that. It's not "Orki". Also, it's not Ohura, it's Uhura. Jeeeez.
I think he's from UK. The accent throws stuff off.
J. J. RUINED ST AND SW franchise
Terrible movie.
Ppl hated it when they tried to turn Star Trek into Star Wars.
Star Trek fans doesn't like blowing things up, killing, chasing, etc.
wrath of khan: hold my beer.
Shame shame shame
Nope.
One thing only it sucked.
Bad Reboot
Second warning about Jar Jar Abrams. After Lost disappointment, he gave us this crap. Then went on to ruin Star Wars
The little doesn't know how women work, much less his own prick.Ha.
This movie was soo overrated.
I don't like Star Wars. I like Star Trek. This movie is not like Star Trek, to me. It is like Star Wars, as are the followups. I therefore do not like this movie. The acting might be good, but to me, that is NOT Kirk, that is NOT Spock, that is NOT Uhura, Bones, Scotty, Chekov, Sulu etc. Especially Sulu. It looks like they just hired the first Asian looking guy that came to mind! Terrible movie. I will show no forgiveness.