HMS Pinafore - Never Mind the Why or Wherefore

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  • čas přidán 13. 05. 2008
  • Essgee's production with Jon English Simon Gallaher Helen Donaldson Drew Forsythe David Gould.
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  • @timothypeterson4781
    @timothypeterson4781 Před 11 měsíci +19

    I love how she makes her dress look like a bell. It's so small and simple but it makes me smile every time.

  • @SpenglerExtreme
    @SpenglerExtreme Před 3 lety +164

    I only just noticed that this is, what seems to be, her first time drinking alcohol. She sniffs her first champagne before drinking it. She runs off multiple times to sneak more champagne for herself. And of course “A tar who ploughs the daughter.”
    Just little bits of acting that go unnoticed. I love it

    • @ticklesyoumoistly
      @ticklesyoumoistly Před 3 lety

      Oo nice observation

    • @darinchiasson
      @darinchiasson Před 3 lety +4

      She sneaks glances askance before pouring herself a glass. She was an experienced drinker before champagne was called by the unfortunate eye of his lordship

    • @nedludd7622
      @nedludd7622 Před 29 dny +1

      It is typical to sniff wine and champagne before drinking.

  • @Three-Headed-Monkey
    @Three-Headed-Monkey Před 6 lety +105

    Her "Ri-ing the merry bells on board ship" was great

    • @ebbelille
      @ebbelille Před 4 lety +8

      Yeah, that was actually a bit of rock n' roll injected into this otherwise quite circus-y reimagining of the song.

    • @fastacker2
      @fastacker2 Před 4 lety +11

      The way she moves with that dress. she is the belle. gorgeous.

  • @thedoeguy
    @thedoeguy Před 14 lety +39

    There's a wonderful tradition, that originated in D'Oyly Carte, to "embellish" this trio with spoof verses. This version is totally true to that tradition.

  • @letsxxtango
    @letsxxtango Před 14 lety +232

    "And a tar that plows the daughter!"
    Lol!

    • @Spydur0ne
      @Spydur0ne Před 4 lety +19

      WHAT?!?!

    • @NewMusicWeekly
      @NewMusicWeekly Před 4 lety +15

      I'd love to see W. S. Gilbert's reaction to that line. And whether he could work out what it meant by himself, or needed a hint.

    • @peterfireflylund
      @peterfireflylund Před 3 lety +20

      @@NewMusicWeekly pretty sure he intentionally skated close to it in the official lyrics -- and intended people to discover it themselves.

    • @NewMusicWeekly
      @NewMusicWeekly Před 3 lety +4

      ​@@peterfireflylund It's possible. I've read that "plow" may be the origin of the word "fuck", which I wouldn't be surprised Gilbert knew:
      From linguitleteis.tumblr.com/post/39141549801/origin-of-the-word-fuck#:~:text=plow :
      Yet another possible etymology [for fuck] is from the Old High German word pfluog, meaning “to plow, as in a field.”
      So the slang use of "plow" may be quite ancient.

    • @darcybrummett7004
      @darcybrummett7004 Před 3 lety +2

      She was getting tipsy!

  • @jimhogue5544
    @jimhogue5544 Před 3 lety +6

    . . . and the tar who plows his daughter . . . Bold and hilarious additions throughout! Bravo.

  • @ajessm
    @ajessm Před 7 lety +73

    Interesting physique Sir Joseph has. He looks like a hunch-front

  • @battlewrathgaming5047
    @battlewrathgaming5047 Před 4 lety +33

    I find Helen's movement simply enchanting and spritely!

  • @ixarofthebargains493
    @ixarofthebargains493 Před 4 lety +48

    "And the tar who ploughs the Daughter"
    classic

    • @tepesobrejac4360
      @tepesobrejac4360 Před 4 lety +2

      I'm not a native English speaker. Could you explain to me what it means. Google translate is just terrible.

    • @dorkmax7073
      @dorkmax7073 Před 4 lety +14

      @@tepesobrejac4360 a "Tar" or a "Jacktar" was, in the 1890s when Gilbert and Sullivan wrote this opera, a common sailor. This comes from either the tarring of rope aboard a ship, or the tarring of work clothes.
      To "plow" a woman is a ribald euphemism for sex. Fornication.
      The song is about the Captain's daughter, and how her father wants her to marry his boss, the Lord of the Admiralty. But she is in love with a common Tar. The Lord of the Admiralty, being of the upper class, assumes her reluctance to marry him was because she was awed by his nobility, so he assures her that love shouldn't care about social class. This is why she jokes that he "makes his rival's case", because she can marry the common sailor with a clear conscience if rank does not matter.

    • @tepesobrejac4360
      @tepesobrejac4360 Před 4 lety +3

      @@dorkmax7073
      Thank you

  • @lachlang683
    @lachlang683 Před 8 lety +83

    John English! (26 March 1949 - 9 March 2016).
    Rest in peace. Thanks for sharing your love of performing, regardless of the genre.
    You have now truly achieved legend status!

  • @tehblogger
    @tehblogger Před 13 lety +143

    ok, if you are going to update G&S, this is certainly the way to do it. "I'll out-fox your trot, Lord Porter" is very clever, "won't see this at D'Oyly Carte" is a nice touch, and I almost fell off my chair laughing at "the tar who plows the daughter"...

    • @thomasvanwely
      @thomasvanwely Před 3 lety +7

      I wish I had seen this 9 years earlier so I could respond to this in time. But shit time flies and 9 years later I am feeling the exact same thing you did!

    • @steerpike1359
      @steerpike1359 Před 3 lety +3

      GILBERT AND SULLIVAN'S WORK DOES NOT NEED UPDATING, THEY SHOULD BE PERFORMED AS WRITTEN OR NOT AT ALL !

    • @Spikeelsucko
      @Spikeelsucko Před 3 lety +21

      @@steerpike1359 This is a bad take, G&S understood the value of not being stuffy and creating an entertaining play, and that ad-lib, improvisation and interpretation are the lifeblood of theater. They wouldn't want lines wasted on references lost of most of the audience, the play should be entertaining in and of itself and "updated" gags don't lower the play just because it's more accessible. If you want a completely accurate historical version of the play I'm sure they're around.

    • @karlandersson8652
      @karlandersson8652 Před 3 lety +5

      @@steerpike1359 All I can say is that I would have never seen the entire play in "traditional" format, but I watched this whole version and enjoyed it when it was up on youtube. There's no reason to not have "as written" versions for purists and historical interest, and then updated "fun" versions for the rest of us that just want to be entertained on terms we can understand better

    • @ARCtheCartoonMaster
      @ARCtheCartoonMaster Před 3 lety +5

      @@Spikeelsucko Excellent take, Spik. I am reminded of a certain quote from the late Freddie Mercury: “You can do what you want with my music, but don't make me boring.”

  • @wanderingkernel5002
    @wanderingkernel5002 Před 5 lety +22

    "Now I've learnt the Hokey Pokey fever nights on Saturdays!"

  • @Jamie_Pritchard
    @Jamie_Pritchard Před 2 lety +17

    I love how they've taken the traditional 'encore' and put their own spin on it. A fantastic company and always entertaining.

    • @Spydur0ne
      @Spydur0ne Před 2 lety

      Wait, that wasn't part of it?!

  • @songsmith31a
    @songsmith31a Před rokem +4

    From the UK - the actor playing Sir Joseph brought to mind how Rowan (Mr Bean) Atkinson might have
    performed the role.

  • @TheKing-qz9wd
    @TheKing-qz9wd Před 3 lety +42

    Ploughs the water.
    Plows the water.
    Plows the daughter.
    (In sync with the guys on stage)
    *"WHAT?!?"*

  • @deidreshand4641
    @deidreshand4641 Před 9 lety +31

    I love it when she said and the tar who plows the daughter when I first heard it I was only 12 or 13 so had no idea what was so funny about it until I was in my mid teens. From then on I don't think I'll ever forget it.

    • @2HB2HB
      @2HB2HB Před 8 lety

      +Deidre Shand I was in the cast in our school musical (an aunt) and I didn't get it at 17 (it was 1974) but it cracks me up now.

    • @2HB2HB
      @2HB2HB Před 8 lety

      +2HB2HB I think our music teacher was ahead of his time.

    • @derricgreene
      @derricgreene Před 8 lety +2

      I had to go back go make sure I heard right.

  • @thepantweaver
    @thepantweaver Před 14 lety +20

    This is an amazing adaptation of the song and show. It is wonderful, and the fun they're having is perfectly in line Gilbert and Sullivan.

  • @starbug1409
    @starbug1409 Před 8 lety +67

    Sir Joseph: (tries to talk) (snorts)

  • @Ignauhak
    @Ignauhak Před 15 lety +19

    5:01, after all the funny antics Sir Joseph got up to before with his nervousness, I found it JUST TOO FUNNY!!! I swear I was just an INCH from death by laughter!

  • @camarocico
    @camarocico Před 15 lety +6

    Oh, May all the Gods of Athens and Rome bless Gilbert and Sullivan! The muses have gifted these two gentlemen with such wit and rhythm that we poor ungifted mortals can only dream of...
    "Never Mind the Why and Wherefore!"

  • @brunomaples
    @brunomaples Před 2 lety +8

    I love the addition of new verses. I think the traditional encores are a lot of fun, but this gives something new to people who have seen the usual oh so many times

  • @Smokr
    @Smokr Před 4 lety +17

    The Drew Forsythe Show! He freaking owned this production!

  • @jonathantitterton9455
    @jonathantitterton9455 Před 9 lety +161

    my favorite line in this is "And the Tar who plows the daughter WHAT?!"

    • @Sintar07
      @Sintar07 Před 7 lety +21

      Yeah, I was quite disappointed to find that that line seems to be unique to this version, or at least this is the only version I've seen on CZcams that includes it.

    • @sciranger6703
      @sciranger6703 Před 5 lety +15

      It's usaully "and a tar (low-class salior) you plows the water." But this is MUCH funnier.

    • @crazyman8472
      @crazyman8472 Před 5 lety +5

      Ring the merry bells! 😍

  • @jessicagray5658
    @jessicagray5658 Před 7 lety +61

    If anyone put's this whole movie on youtube I'll love them forever. I only have the video version and no video player...

    • @lastbreathsigh
      @lastbreathsigh Před 6 lety +3

      it is already on youtube, just look up essgee pinafore and it should pop up

    • @thomasvanwely
      @thomasvanwely Před 3 lety +1

      @@lastbreathsigh It's now hidden but still on, I can give you the link if you won't tell ;)

    • @brennag7378
      @brennag7378 Před 3 lety

      @@thomasvanwely me too please!

    • @thomasvanwely
      @thomasvanwely Před 3 lety +1

      @@brennag7378 watch?v=_vDsRd-IkZY

    • @lordrettichvonwald3057
      @lordrettichvonwald3057 Před 3 lety

      @@thomasvanwely it doesnt work for me. is it the right link

  • @spetsnatzlegion3366
    @spetsnatzlegion3366 Před 4 lety +30

    Somehow this guy has less game than me which I didn’t think was possible

  • @colinmccauley3301
    @colinmccauley3301 Před 3 lety +2

    attended "Pirates of Penzance" many years ago by D'Oyly Carte in Boston. to see on video is one thing but in person, truly a once in a lifetime experience.

  • @silvercat18
    @silvercat18 Před 2 lety +2

    His understanding of the female creature is legend.

  • @brokenhallelujah87
    @brokenhallelujah87 Před 10 lety +57

    Wow, people get so worked up over this! Why do people care if someone updates a production that has been interpreted the same way for well over 100 years... different century, different humour, different demographic if you don't like Essgee there are a plethora of more traditional interpretations that you can watch... This comment may be irrelevant because most of the negative comments I read are from a couple of years ago but still! I am so so happy that this exists! I fall asleep watching any other version of G & S! "rumpy pumpy" hehe

    • @theskycavedin
      @theskycavedin Před 6 lety +1

      brokenhallelujah87. Because it's not good. I don't want to see an "updated" anything where some unfunny modern hack shoves his own horseshit into a classic.

    • @RenaissanceEarCandy
      @RenaissanceEarCandy Před 5 lety +6

      Wow, you really HAVE got a bee in your bonnet about this, haven't you?

    • @YouaNumbahOneRacist
      @YouaNumbahOneRacist Před 5 lety +8

      God damn square. This was never _meant_ to be high class, it only became that way with time.

    • @Mousy677
      @Mousy677 Před 5 lety +4

      @@YouaNumbahOneRacist Gilbert and Sullivan is basically a political comic where every concept is labelled with added dick jokes

    • @henrymarks2237
      @henrymarks2237 Před 3 lety

      ratboy genius my favorite type of comedy

  • @TheMee4
    @TheMee4 Před 10 lety +7

    Gilbert and Sulllivan are timeless!

  • @tamlandipper29
    @tamlandipper29 Před 3 lety +3

    I love this version of the Sea Lord.

  • @paxxop
    @paxxop Před 8 lety +2

    What a joy to find this! I loved watching the original essgee productions of G&S and seeing this reminds me why. Was unaware it had been released on DVD, now I have to go find it!

  • @vulpezerdavulcan9055
    @vulpezerdavulcan9055 Před 3 lety +2

    I love how the music is almost carnival-esque

  • @kathywil1
    @kathywil1 Před 7 lety +1

    absolutely wonderful.i love it

  • @TobinFell
    @TobinFell Před 7 lety +10

    "Won't see this at D'Oyly Carte!"

  • @borzoix4
    @borzoix4 Před 15 lety +5

    This was fantastic.. I want the dvd..

  • @LoganHunter82
    @LoganHunter82 Před 4 lety +12

    That guy playing "Joseph Porter" looks like Harry Enfield

  • @marilynscott-waters7786

    I loved this song and personally want that magic Champagne bottle.

  • @ignaciomoreno9655
    @ignaciomoreno9655 Před rokem +3

    There is a lot of funny things in this song. But I think that the actress made one of the best performances of being tipsy: gestures, words...

  • @williamavalon4830
    @williamavalon4830 Před 4 lety +1

    Glorious ...!!!

  • @jocelynpink1120
    @jocelynpink1120 Před 7 lety +5

    Brilliant! I'm a great G&S fan!

  • @barbarbarbar2
    @barbarbarbar2 Před 9 lety +1

    Love it love it very much

  • @lordprimus2410
    @lordprimus2410 Před 5 lety +14

    who knew that Palpatine had a good voice

    • @Intrepidice
      @Intrepidice Před 2 lety

      ”I am the senate of the Sea/the ruler of the imperial navee,
      Whose praise great Coruscant loudly chant/and so does his apprentice, his cousin, and his aunt ”

  • @alexwehl2731
    @alexwehl2731 Před 3 lety +1

    Stupendiferous!

  • @2HB2HB
    @2HB2HB Před 8 lety +2

    I love this

  • @kaydeepatterson8481
    @kaydeepatterson8481 Před 2 lety

    I love this musical :',D

  • @thepantweaver
    @thepantweaver Před 14 lety +13

    Where do these alternate lyrics come from? I like the song so much better this way. And of course the performances are amazing.

  • @obiwanobiwan13
    @obiwanobiwan13 Před 14 lety +11

    @Tillyvalle Sullivan yes... Gilbert would've enjoyed the snarkiness, though, I think he'd be "nudging" Sullivan up there and saying, "Oh, lighten up, Arthur!" ;)
    But both were great, geniuses... I think Gilbert as a storyteller is underrated, and sometimes thought just good with Sullivan- but the truthi is its Gilbert AND Sullivan... one alone is great, but BOTH TOGETHER...

  • @connorsullivan2745
    @connorsullivan2745 Před 4 lety +12

    When did Mr Bean join the navy?

  • @emmablank1990
    @emmablank1990 Před 14 lety

    i love this vid !

  • @Bucksavard28
    @Bucksavard28 Před 11 lety +9

    Is there anywhere I can watch this full production of Pinafore? It has some of my favorite renditions.

  • @camarocico
    @camarocico Před 15 lety +3

    Some would say "The Pirates of Penzance" or "The Sorcerer" may be as famed as "HMS Pinafore" and "Mikado". But why would we argue, Gilbert and Sullivan could seem to do no wrong in my opinion! Exquisite!

  • @randybobos
    @randybobos Před 15 lety +2

    i like the stuff they added

  • @GregJamesMusic
    @GregJamesMusic Před 10 měsíci

    Sir Joseph’s expression at 0:25 is priceless. Very Mr. Bean-esque.

  • @harry3balls
    @harry3balls Před 6 měsíci +1

    i wish i could see the entire performance somewhere :')

    • @me-dc8pj
      @me-dc8pj Před 4 měsíci

      It's on CZcams somewhere!

    • @alexthaboss1356
      @alexthaboss1356 Před 19 dny

      czcams.com/video/fDPj9yGMs1Q/video.htmlsi=ij2-T67AWhZsJv_T

  • @michaelexman5474
    @michaelexman5474 Před 4 lety +2

    mr been goes to the opera

  • @Elanchana
    @Elanchana Před 12 lety +4

    Nevermind the why or wherefore, whoops, I think my underwear tore! XDD

  • @YouaNumbahOneRacist
    @YouaNumbahOneRacist Před 6 lety +3

    Bah. I should have been in theatre.

  • @rosskerr1439
    @rosskerr1439 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Gosh, we're scared and gosh, we're frightened,
    'Cause our itty-bitty new friend
    Has his teeny-weeny brain all set
    On blowing us to bits.
    O, how horrible, deplorable,
    This really is the pits!

  • @daisybtoes
    @daisybtoes Před 10 lety +2

    @Dayvd Allen Where DO you find these DVDs? I've been looking for them for ages. And do they play on American players?

  • @0800Author
    @0800Author Před 16 lety +1

    I agree!!!!!

  • @DaMav
    @DaMav Před 10 lety +2

    Hah hah hah Excellent!!

  • @ajessm
    @ajessm Před 7 lety +8

    What are they using instead of an orchestra? Sounds like a hurdy-gurdy and a xylophone with some clackers thrown in. Whatever it is, it works.

  • @PcCAvioN
    @PcCAvioN Před 7 lety +5

    I can't tell if i love or hate the 80s synth orchestra

  • @ticklesyoumoistly
    @ticklesyoumoistly Před 3 lety +1

    Omg I love her voice

  • @lordrettichvonwald3057

    i would love to see this particular performance is it aviable anywhere this seems to be best i found.

  • @helenbrookshaw7263
    @helenbrookshaw7263 Před rokem

    Won't see this at D'oyly Carte. Brilliant.

  • @MateusVIII
    @MateusVIII Před 11 lety +1

    Anyone knows where i can get this version to watch all of it?

  • @stitchesandstaples
    @stitchesandstaples Před 13 lety

    @Johnmartine63 Yes there is - I got mine from the ABC shop in Australia.

  • @thepantweaver
    @thepantweaver Před 13 lety +5

    @XlightassassenX I'll admit many of the new lyrics in this production are really just quite silly, but I really think "I'll out-fox your trot, Lord Porter" is awfully clever, and very fun.

  • @timthorman7029
    @timthorman7029 Před 3 lety +1

    The synthesizer is an interesting addition.

  • @Wraithriel
    @Wraithriel Před 14 lety

    @Johnmartine63 I have it on VHS... I would LOVE to watch it again, I'll try and see about getting it transferred.

  • @sarahmay1205
    @sarahmay1205 Před 9 lety +10

    Hahaha! The original is best, but this is pretty funny. 'Won't see this at D'Oyly Carte!'

  • @darcybrummett7004
    @darcybrummett7004 Před 3 lety

    6:19 “Whoops, I think my underwear tore.” LOL

  • @GalazanCat
    @GalazanCat Před 14 lety

    I'm interested too for a DVD

  • @Stinson2196
    @Stinson2196 Před 13 lety

    we did this at my school

  • @kirstilundy69
    @kirstilundy69 Před 9 lety

    where can i watch all of this

  • @camarocico
    @camarocico Před 15 lety +3

    And furthermore, may the blessings of Olympus be upon them who have so bravely and fiercely butchered the verses that the muses hath enspired to the original authors!

  • @alfredjonathankwak955
    @alfredjonathankwak955 Před 4 lety

    This song was remade on the pdp-1x

  • @ulca01
    @ulca01 Před 13 lety +3

    I couldn't help laughing when I saw Sir Joseph's facial expressions (especially in the few minutes of this clip) and the way he talks; very funny.
    The play seems to have been updated a little bit, according to my research the line "and a tar who plows the daughter", wasn't in the original; instead that particular line was "and a tar who plows the water"

  • @zelalife2559
    @zelalife2559 Před rokem

    Can someone tell me what the new lyrics are after the 5:10 timeline

  • @msfyn
    @msfyn Před 13 lety

    @Johnmartine63 yes there is. ABC shops have it - if a problem -yell

  • @superchick2connaught
    @superchick2connaught Před 14 lety

    it is originally "And a tar who plows the water."

  • @PhoenixBorealis
    @PhoenixBorealis Před 12 lety

    We just studied Gilbert and Sullivan in Music Theater Appreciation. lol Comic Geniuses. :D

  • @coolmamac
    @coolmamac Před 12 lety

    Tar that plows the water.

  • @sallysmith9733
    @sallysmith9733 Před 3 lety

    Drainage, historical, is a work in General. Lets upgrade.

  • @darcybrummett7004
    @darcybrummett7004 Před 3 lety +1

    4:33 Anyone notice what Sir Joseph was doing?

  • @Artenol68
    @Artenol68 Před 3 lety +1

    As a non-native English speaker, I have serious problems to understand changed text. Is there a way to read it somehwere?

  • @Lightney
    @Lightney Před 13 lety

    @thepantweaver Isn't it just :) Well played on their part.

  • @dildonius
    @dildonius Před 3 lety

    Nothing like a bit of naughty rumpy pumpy.

  • @Howler15
    @Howler15 Před 15 lety +1

    the way they did the makirdo was fantastice

  • @zetabyte99
    @zetabyte99 Před 13 lety

    @EternallyGodBless i don't think so, they added words! and changed them around

  • @jasonmatthews534
    @jasonmatthews534 Před 11 měsíci

    Merry bells rhythm?

  • @GeorgetownDude
    @GeorgetownDude Před 12 lety +1

    LOL -- Your's is the funniest comment I have ever read on Tube. Good on you, mate.

  • @Steampunksaly
    @Steampunksaly Před 2 lety +1

    Magnificent casting, beautiful costumes, backdrop and staging and choreography- it’s of the highest I have ever seen in this production - but sadly the organ accompaniment ( as skilled as it is) spoils this production for me - these talented singers and actors are undermined by the musical accompaniment, a great shame in my opinion

  • @karinkorenkova2059
    @karinkorenkova2059 Před 2 lety +1

    Is it just me, or does the synthesizer sound very sea-like

  • @craigabaybii07
    @craigabaybii07 Před 16 lety +3

    hahahaha this is brilliant can someone gt me the dvd???/

  • @zetabyte99
    @zetabyte99 Před 13 lety

    @letsxxtango and a tar who plows the water!

  • @masterofallthelakesintown2472

    Average discord mod with his kitten.

  • @eclecticdufus
    @eclecticdufus Před 13 lety +1

    @MrSwifts31 That must have been a wonderful (if often grueling) experience. Of course, performers have been trying to add stage business ever since Barrington on the grounds that it gets a laugh. And Gilbert's unaswerable riposte was so would it if you sat down on a pork pie. OK, "tar that plows the daughter" is pretty funny. The real crime here is as you say--replacing Sullivan's great orchestration with cheap synthesized crap.

  • @DarExc
    @DarExc Před 14 lety +5

    lol, I have always slipt that line in myself, I sung along with "and a tar who plows his daughter" by mistake once and always sung that afterwards ;p Cultural Filth you may believe it to be but most stuck up prudes said the same thing to their original performances...no offense.

    • @dildonius
      @dildonius Před 3 lety

      People always forget that all this high-brow shit that stuff't shirt snobs think they're so much better than the commonfolk for liking and try to gatekeep - whether it's Gilbert & Sullivan or Billy Shakespeare - was considered low-brow shit for the common folk. The main section of Shakespeare's Globe Theater was one big, seatless moshpit-type area that was very VERY cheap to get into if not outright free, so that the average peasant could enjoy the show, while the upper classes paid to sit way up above them in the balconies. And the performances could get damn rowdy as the commoners would harass and heckle the actors, even throw shit at them if the play was a bomb or the actors were botching their performance. It was far from the stuffed-shirt, champagne & monocles, high-society, "Well I SAY, old sport!" type of affair that performances of Shakespeare's plays are thought of today.
      And Gilbert & Sullivan's whole entire thing is relentless mocking of the ridiculous, self-serious, stuffy, humorless, uptight dipshits who comprised the upper class in their day and HATED their plays ("...and whistle all the airs from that INFERNAL NONSENSE _Pinafore!_ -The Major General, _The Pirates of Penzance_ by G&S). But of course now that same class of self-serious, stuffy assholes have appropriate their works.

    • @FOLIPE
      @FOLIPE Před 2 lety

      @@dildonius It's not true that the upper classes hated G&S they were both wildly acclaimed in their time. Gilbert was even knighted.