Ex Mercedes-Benz engineer now crafts world class speakers
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2019
- Meet Ines Adler, she was an engineer at Mercedes, but now designs speakers. Her company, Voxativ is based in Berlin, voxativ.berlin
Art Dudley’s Stereophile review of the Voxativ Ampeggio speaker, www.stereophile.com/content/v...
Charney Audio uses Voxativ drivers, charneyaudio.com/the-companion...
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Thank you for all !! your comments. I really appreciate this. And, thanks to you, Steve. Yours Inès
Hi Inès. The picture of the speaker in Potsdamer Platz... Was the speaker there? Playing? For a while? I've always been fascinated by that picture. I listened to the Ampeggio X in Singapore, driven by tubes (can't recall the amp brand) and they were magical... Thank you!
@@miguelbarrio Hi Miguel, that was Ampeggio Due, but the pic is made by Photoshop
Great interview and I look forward to hearing your drivers soon.
Hi Inès, I'm inspired by this interview! I was wondering if the driver technology that you developed could be used for headphones? I would love to hear your speakers. They look beautiful and they probably sound amazing!
Voxativ Acoustic Technologies lived in Stuttgart as a little boy in 66 when my dad was stationed there? Have you heard the sound system in the Tesla model 3? How does it compare to MercedesBenz.
Love how open and genuine she is regarding design,outsourcing etc heard her drivers in Pure Audio Project speakers and loved them❤️👍
Great video Steve, these in-depth interviews with the real engineers and designers behind the products is fascinating to hear from. Look forward to more of them.
"When you mix real engineering with your heart I think then you have the right recipe" - This is why Inès is the ultimate representation of top-notch engineering: It is not about the measurements alone, or the heart alone, it's the "guided heart" that makes a true engineer - it is about achieving the final result.
It's about understanding the structure of reality which clearly this man has not achieved, at least not yet.
@@john_scott "Structure of reality"??? Lets see... This woman has worked very hard, in a difficult world with people like you to bring her down, and has achieved fame and recognition. Frankly, what have YOU done of your life?
Another great interviewee. Really appreciate her who obviously knows the technical side of sound reproduction and the necessity of measurements also to point out not to over-rely on measurements. She makes so much sense!
I heard these speakers at the California Audio show in Oakland, and they were by far the standout room there. Amazing speakers.....
Wow! Just a few days ago I commented one of your other videos that the Voxativ Ampeggio was the best speakers I’ve ever heard and here you are doing an interview with their creator today. Awesome.😊
What speaker have you compared to Ampeggio?
Wow! Love her passion for music and entrepreneurship! Looking forward to a full review of their bookshelf speakers.
Her?? Surely that can't be a woman! Must be transsexual. The voice is more male than Steve's.
An excellent presentation. IMHO one of the most important characters in our hobby. Passion meets brain, covered by quality awareness of MB. Top notch!
Thanks to Inez the Lowther’s been reengineered to the next level. I loved the Lowther......then the Voxativ came along and took things to the next level. Thank you so much Ms Adler for your exceptional understanding of materials.
A lot of times when I listen to engineers talk, my eyes glaze over and what they're saying doesn't really sink in. Ines does a nice job of explaining things in an understandable fashion. She would have probably been a great teacher if she weren't a great engineer!
Thanks Steve for this great interview. Would love to hear these, especially the Ampeggio X.
Wish this one went a lot longer.
I can't believe we're still at the wood and paper.
Great interview. Fascinating backstory to Voxativ. My PureAudioProject Trio15 Classics are already inbound with Pi-Fe drivers. Can’t wait.
Has anybody used pumice as driver materials it's two-thirds the weight of paper should be a good material.
is his drivers better than cube audio I don't think so! what do you think Steve you listen to both can I have an opinion please
@John sweda
There is no easy way to bond pumice stone into a thin membrane that maintains its rigidity without deforming, as well as having good damping properties.
The latest high-tech speaker cone material that is thin, lightweight, rigid, and also has excellent damping properties is Graphene.
It currently also needs a specialized binding agent to form it into usable sheets, but it still has better properties than Beryllium, and is not toxic like Beryllium dust.
Look into the soon-to-be-released *ORA Sound Graphene-Q* headphones. Ora Sound's ultimate goals are to be an OEM speaker and/or speaker cone & diaphragm supplier using their unique and patented Graphene-Q technology.
The Graphene-Q headphones were chosen as ORA Sound's first project because headphones are an extremely popular seqment of the high-end audio marketplace right now, and this helped to quickly gain crowd-funding for the continued R&D of the proprietary manufacturing processes needed to produce the cones relatively quickly in large quantities.
They knew that once they perfected the manufacturing process for the headphone drivers, that they could scale it up or down in order to make just about any size diaphragm or cone size that is currently used..
So the Graphene-Q headphones are a stepping stone so-to-speak that will allow them to manufacture and supply other speaker cones and/or complete drivers to a vast array of OEMs...where the big money lies.
Who knows, ORA Sound may also produce their own audiophile speaker line as well. Their cone technology is truly superior to current materials used for loudspeaker cones, and much cheaper once produced in mass quantities compared to other exotic and/or rare materials.
If you continue to research you will find more than just Voxative and Lowther using field coil drivers. Voxative is the only I’ve found to build “new”
I have met Ines on more than one occasion (I am the designer for Pietra Audio) and I must say I hold her in the highest possible regard. Indeed, understanding why Voxativ speakers (specifically the Ampeggio Due) sound so wonderful has been an interesting technical challenge for me!
easy. no crossover. great driver and membrane material. No bass reflex
Like always great interview
I think you've done it!! That was a great interview, from Steve the Audiophiliac!! I feel like with all the audio luminaries that you interview you could sponsor a a speaker building challenge. Take Andrew Jones and Nelson Pass vs. Sandy Gross and Paul McGowan, give them a budget, and have them build the best product they can. Have a panel of judges consisting of Steve Guttenberg or a Musician he knows;Zero Fidelity; and Gene from Audioholics. I think it would be pretty interesting
I absolutely LOVE that a born and bread Engineer at the end of the day creates with their Heart and Soul !!! (I've yet to hear any incarnation of these speakers, but am now very interested in doing so).
She makes a super important point that the snake oil screamers and measurement only placebo crowd don't understand. 'Listening' as part of development is not a process of thinking about what your hearing as it is a process of your body feeling and reacting and then understanding what you're feeling and why. The owner/designer of Genesis told me the same thing, as have others.
Again, Steve haas done again an excellent interview.Never heard of this company before.I teresting from automotive to the audio industry.I would llike to listen to these i betthey have quite astounding presence.Thank you again for your You Tube post...wonderful..
Thanks you for this excellent report. More about career changes and living from ones passion. Some sick remarks below do not define all of us.
Voxativ is a special company and I plan one day to pair my Firstwatt SIT-3 with Voxativ drivers or speakers, let’s see what the future brings:)
Great interview. Inès is a good spokesperson, especially for someone who is clearly not a native English speaker!
Now what I'd like to see is a video about that company in Poland that makes cabinets for a bunch of speaker brands. That would be fascinating.
@Huw chardon Many thanks!
Loved this interview! Started on a living room table...
This Title is not correct! HOLGER Adler was the Mercedes Benz engineer. He changed his gender to be Ines Adler in 2019.
A truly not so easy decision for a 6ft2" Tall and strong guy. And I mean, this may be the cause he/she waited so long to do this step. Ines lived for over 50 years as Holger...
And even as Holger, the body language of Holger was that of a Girl. A big Girl..lol, but authentic!
But, what counts here is Ines is the mastermind of Voxativ, and does an amazing job! The speakers are the kind of "I want it I want it... I must have it" stuff lol..
Inès is amazing... Her work is amazing... She worked for it and all I have is admiration and respect...
Seriously must you dead name this woman? She is amazing and I admire her very much
@@gwenandrix Same! She is amazing.
@@gwenandrix same here!
@blue zylon None of YOUR business
Very inspiring! Really goes to show how science and art are such an integral part of the human experience.
Can you (or did you and I missed it) give us a link to these speakers? As always, great job.
You just missed it my friend. Like you usually do...
Really enjoy discovering new, different/unusual products (not that this was my discovery).
Thanks Steve for an enlightening video. And congrats to the wonderful designer. If they sound only half as good as they look, then I'm sure they are superb. 😎
Passion combined with genuine expertise and balanced with deep understanding is a heady, irresistible mixture!
Beautiful looking speakers. Would love to hear them. Nice interview.
Two awesome interviews in a row! You’re on fire Steve. I see a pair of Voxativ speakers in my future for sure!
I am always amazed at how well German people speak English - interesting and informative video, thanks
You will not believe how good ppl from Sweden speak english.
Jarek Nowak What do you call a person who speaks 3 languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? BiLingual.
What do you call a person who speaks 1 language? American.
Most European children learn 2 languages in their school studies-I am American but lived in Germany twice as a child. I think a lot of their words sound similar to English. Many Americans have a bad attitude to learning another language unfortunately.
I had never heard of Voxativ, learn some new every day, thanks for the great interview!
There`s a Video with John Darko, as he visited this Guys Company... a year ago. It seems like the guy has changed now his gender officially. czcams.com/video/Qq9r_TL49Kk/video.html
@@bernhardmichaelfux308 She was always Inès...
@@bernhardmichaelfux308 I dont pay attention to gender, I am more interested in the speakers.
So interesting, thanks for this.
While I agree with Inès that nowadays neodymium makes more sense than alnico for driver applications, my 10+ years of study with the late musical instrument design legend Bill Lawrence taught me that the supposed energy product degradation of alnico magnets over time is utterly trivial -- a low single-digit percentage over multiple decades -- and not a significant engineering concern. This is borne out by the fact that the big JBL drivers of the 1950s and 1960s still perform like new as long as their voice coils and cones are factory-equivalent and in good condition -- I've never encountered a single "D" series woofer or MI speaker that required having its magnet assembly recharged.
I don't own any JBL, but I have other decades old Alnico drivers that not only still sound great. But IMO better then most new speakers. Alnico really does sound great to my ears. But I would love to hear the same drivers made with different magnets to really see what the difference is like.
Yes these vintage drivers sound different, and maybe not as precise. But emotionally they win out, and that's what it's all about for me. Besides, they can be redone, and brought back to factory specs fairly cheaply. At least as far as the magnet goes anyway.
There's a company in Canada that's run by a regular on The DIYAudio.com forums. They'll take any of these nice vintage drivers, of any type, and make sure they're up to snuff. Including remagnetizing, and improving them with a modern coating they use. Colors and designs can be added too, if you like. They also have many vintage and new drivers in stock already, and can help with cabinets and such. They'll get you going with something very nice.
Just be aware the owner has had health problems fairly recently, and that may effect things a bit. Also redoing old drivers isn't their main thing anymore, but I'm pretty sure they'll still do it for you. Or help you somehow, like directing you to someone who will do it for you. Either way, he's a great guy who will do his best to make you happy if you're thinking of going this route. He is a Canadian after all. Lol
www.planet10-hifi.com/
@@amb3cog -- I don't subscribe to the audio folklore that there's something magic about alnico in loudspeakers. What's important is that the driver designer thoroughly understand the characteristics of the magnetic material s/he's using and the impact of those characteristics on the design of the driver's motor assembly -- modern "rare earth" magnets like neodymium and samarium cobalt provide an extraordinary amount of magnetic attraction in ratio to their dimensions and mass, making them the preferred choice for modern woofer design compared to alnico and ferrite ("ceramic") magnets, but if applied correctly virtually any sort of magnet can be used to excellent effect if the designer knows what s/he's doing.
Fascinating info. Thank you.
Sehr sympathisch.
Very interesting. Thanks Steve.
Wow. Potsdammer Platz sure has changed since the 70's.
it’s absolutely horrendous. Prime example of failed and ugly city planning.
Nice speakers. Nice interview Steve.
The 13 layers of real piano manufacturer lacquer had me drooling.
Amazing story. Love it.
Ines seems like a very genuine, nice, smart person. Good interview.
Masterpieces for every musiclover.
There's a very interesting Voxativ factory tour over on John Darko's channel....can't seem to link to it for some reason.
No thanks needed...…….just send me a pair, any pair of these speakers.
Another great interview! Touches upon many interesting topics - art, science, independence and creativity.
I copied the sound of my reference speakers with my home built speakers. But no impact. So I added my own artistic stuff to the sound and presto! They worked nicely then. Seems like she is on the same level.
Awesome, I imagine the value will be undeniably superior.
I would love a voxativ sysrem. Beautiful design and praised sound.
I love hearing about the thinking behind the engineering. Some good words of wisdom around measurements and voicing a speaker. As suggested the emotionally driven "foot tap test" is what really matters.
What an amazing story! Inès is a TRUE engineer - engineering is not just about measuring, it is about achieving the final result. Measuring is about guiding you and uncovering things that might not be readily apparent and making product that is reliable. Her story is amazing... Thank you Inès and Steve!
Wath a nice person, thanks Steve for this interesting interview.
thats friggen awesome
shes engineering obsolescence into audio
if that is a 'she', I can only imagine your wife.
Piano Black Baffle! Beautiful! Want to have a Listen!
You should do more earphone reviews especially on the Kz earphones most expensive line up and your thoughts on them compared to other brands I would really appreciate your opinion on them
He does do a lot of earphone reviews, but I agree, the KZ line is pretty good in their price ranges.
I'm a big fan of single driver speakers. Hearing the Voxativs on CZcams I do like to own one but they are out of my pocket money. I have an old very cheap single driver PC speaker that i did some improvements on it love it for the open sound no booming Bass just open vocal and enough treble to follow the music. It keeps me happy will never tempt to buy any speaker just headphone for a full listening experience , I think Ines Adler did a great job on Fostex original idea.
She makes amazing stuff.
Such a cool lady. The Ampeggio Due starts from from $99,000.00. GULP!
@Ossidian Ossidian Science and facts say this:
1- Inès is an amazing engineer, one with great skill, determination, and charm
2- She created her own company and is famous worldwide for what she produces
3- She can sell units at that price which speaks volumes about her achievements
Everything else is your prejudice.
What have you done with your life?
@bcdhifi Yes of course - I have no argument about the price!
Obviously, these are some beautiful HIGH-END speakers, but I'm a little confused that Ines appeared as a man in John Darko's video about Voxativ, and now in this video, she is a woman... 🤔#toeachhisown
Pls compare magico
Very smart
so true. Thanks for speaking common sense. I don’t care if this person wants to be a female, or male.... makes no difference to me . In fact, I’d jump in and stop anyone who might harass or harm this or any individual..... all I ask, is PLEASE don’t insult my intelligence by trying to put me on that there are more than TWO GENDERS. There ARE NOT!!!! And you cannot truly change sexes.
You are what you were born with!!!! This is a man who is masquerading as a woman. And that is fine! It’s his RIGHT! Just don’t BS me. It’s a MAN!!!!!!!
So glad to see you do this. These are incredible speakers. Very comparable to Wilson when it comes to body of sound, I might even say better in its own perspective. Thank you for reaching out to do this interview with an amazing engineer and person.
Makes one wonder, why? The whole she thing speaks so loudly, I can't hear what is said.
German Engineering at its finest.
Ossidian Ossidian Both. She’s a true accomplished engineer, which speaks volumes about her determination, her skills, and her courage. Her speakers are at the top of the world... What I wonder is what have you done with your life other than pepper this wonderful interview with braindead comments? I can tell... Not much.
this is a perfect example when audio supersedes video.
Yes, he is easier to listen to than to look at.
After listening to point source speakers I can't listen to regular 2-ways anymore.
It that a transseksual? (have nothing against transseksuals)
Stereo-oids 😂
Who cares, the speakers will sound the same wether she is or not
@shawngt2 ...including themselves....
I think she is a woman
When she spoke I spilled my coffee.
Being a current Mercedes Benz owner, I will definitely give these speakers a pass.
I owned an E550... Amazing car.
I think speakers should be engineered for real world rooms not anechoic chambers. If that's possible.
nice reborn, on every level, and german precision
The idea of a wood cone is intriguing. Lighter than paper. Dumb question: I wonder if there is a special, inherent sympathy in reproduction of wooden instruments such as clarinet or oboe or strings. Interesting to know more about nuances in differences between cone materials. Thanks to Ines Adler.
Somebody could talk amplifier design all day long and for the most part it wouldn't mean zip to me, but speaker design and materials I find fascinating and understandable at least to an extent that I learn something from the speaker designers that an amp designer would leave me smh.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk, materials could be one area open to exciting, possibly transformative technical innovation in design and execution. I sense the Voxativs are rocking Steve's world.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk same here, i understand speakers architecutre quite good, i read about them since i was 15, probably i was lucky bc my uncle had books about speaker design. But electronics is still a black magic for me.
Btw wood as a membrane is nothing new.
Wasn't she a man in other Voxativ videos?
What if a speaker designer became a automotive interior engineer?
@Ossidian Ossidian since you seem interested but not comfortable with the transgender subject perhaps check out transpocalypse now on yt. For example, did you know that every first lady was first a man? Fact.
The answer it: Alfa Romeo GTV6
@Ossidian Ossidian HOW DID YOU GET SO WEAK czcams.com/video/stKR4U0VcXE/video.html
It's the ones who protest the loudest, who usually have something to hide themselves.
Live and let live.
A few of you are just plain cruel. Why? What's it to you what somebody else does? If you should read this Ines, pay those guys no mind. We aren't all like that.
Loving you, Inès
@@lauravogel4943 there have been cruel comments and I would like to say that anyone who honestly makes a transformation has my full respect. Only you know what you have been through and are. Your speakers look and I am sure sound lovely. It's an incredible design and to vertically integrate the manufacture as well shows greatness. A little out of my price range but would love to hear them. All the best to you.
@Brian Moore And what is it to you what somebody else thinks or says, ha? One man can claim that he has "magically" turned into a woman, but another man cannot express his thoughts about the impossibility of biological process of a man turning into a woman? You are allowing one man to do as he pleases, but others must do and say what is pleasing to you? You think everybody should listen to your complaints and do as you command?
A good engineer would certainly be able to understand that human sex is essentialy a 1-bit design, being dependent on a single bit in the sequence of bits. It's an effective and simple information design. There may be variations in bit sequence due to loss of information. However, a single bit design is incorruptible, meaning that in reality it does not fail - no human is born without information needed to identify his or her sex. In very rare cases of uncertainty careful DNA analysis is enough to identify whether a subect is male of female. Even if there were some bizzare anomalies in the sequence of bits, leading to certain genetic conditions, the single bit value could never be lost (even if it could be shifted) in such stable large structures that proteins or specifcally amino acids are. This value is transcripted into all cells that human body consists of, for the period of entire lifetime (of living cells).
Again, what is it to you what I think? Are you the one that tells people what they should say and do? Stick to your own rules, hypocrite.
@@john_scott you raise some good points. The first amendment and free speech is just about dead anyway. Goog has literally 10k people along with AI keeping you safe from real truth.
@@john_scott hypocrite? Me? Really? Why don't you look up the definition of hypocrite before you try to use the word?
Plato once said, "Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to say something." Well, obviously you had to say something. You were probably busy typing away for hours. And for what? To try to hurt someone's feelings? We don't need lessons in biology from you. Entirely unnecessary.
In a civil society, we don't run our mouths just because we are legally allowed to. Civility is in much worse danger than any First Amendment rights you imagine you are losing. I suppose civility barely exists online when people can basically be anonymous. People who in person are meek as a mouse suddenly become lion men behind the keyboard. I was simply raised better than that. Like Mama said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. I honestly don't care what you think -- about anything at all -- but I am not going to say nothing while sad people like you attack someone who has done you no harm. I know you have a mouth. Do you not have a heart? Did your mama never teach you any better?
If her speakers are as reliable as the MERCEDES-BENZ is, I wouldn’t buy one.
Where are all the "whiner" fans who rely on measurements to listen to music?
I think measurements are just fine. The problem is when you use them incorrectly, like trying to assess the taste of an apple by measuring it's diameter and weight... :)
@@miguelbarrio the good news is that I don't need a single measurement to listen to music and judge how good it sounds. I didn't have to grow the apple to critique it. The real test is how good I am at apple judging. Where I used to work the flavor creators (aka "chemists lol) made 4x what I did. They decided what an apple "should" taste like, and mixed a batch of chemicals to make that happen. I had the college degree, they were artists.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk Understood. But consider Inès's point on the Lowther speaker: She explained that the high pitch issue they had could be fixed by changing the geometry of the cone. She determined this by measuring the peak, possibly doing some math to determine the cone or suspension changes required, and then listening to the result and possibly adjusting the shape by listening. It all contributes in its own way to the final result.
Magnepans are better and cheaper
That is, of course, an opinion, not a fact.
Apples are better and cheaper than Heirloom tomatoes... :)
As a Magnepan owner and fan I can confidently disagree. Maggies are good values at their respective price points but when it comes to speakers of 2X the price and higher, the only aspect in which they really excel is the ability to "disappear" as sources of sound. They do that as well as any, however, a speaker at 2X the price, say $4K (vs $2K Maggie 1.7s) will tend to produce greater resolution and imaging specificity. And of course will require less fuss in setup.
I only wish Maggies were the unparalleled performers that some owners want to believe they are, would've saved me a lot of dough.
This is like saying Range Rover is better and cheaper than a Ferrari. If you're taking a family of four on vacation that's true, but if you're driving down the autobahn at 180 MPH, probably not. Just as with cars, there are no absolutes in audio.
Having trained at Mercedes is no gold stamp. Once thought necessity I took my 1973 Alfa Romeo GTV 2000 (when they really were great cars) to a factory trained Mercedes engineer to have the aftermarket air conditioner removed. He basically ruined that beautiful car functionally until it was repaired by a bush mechanic.
I agree. Your one bad experience, decades ago, with some random mechanic who claimed to be a Mercedes Engineer has been a stain on Mercedes Benz engineers since. They'll never live that one down.
I'm still amazed to this day that people still actually buy Mercedes made vehicles (all over the world, and by the millions too) after hearing of your one God Awful experience with that supposed Mercedes engineer, that one time, Decades Ago! 🙄🤦♂️
"Factory trained" but in the wrong factory. This is like complaining that a pizza chef screwed up your sushi.
@@amb3cog Thank you. Well put. Plus if I read correctly, he takes an Alfa Romeo to a Mercedes mechanic. Also one more thing: Inès is an engineer not a mechanic!!!
@@gotham61 Plus an engineer is not a mechanic! Jeez...
yea its a shame that mercedes only makes overpriced cheap shit nowadays :/
I'm very sorry in advance, but I'm hugely intrigued...is a he or she? The voice and the looks confused me
I think she was he in darko interview..
@@mohdpazli Darko indeed did an interview with this man.
I love Steve and enjoy his videos.....this one I cannot watch
@M PiThanks for your opinion even though you felt the need to reach out and insult that fact that I expressed mine. This nonsense is being forced on everyone in almost facet of life. I dont want it to ruin my favorite hobby. And no, my mind is fine just rooted in reality. BTW that comment was for Steve
Sometimos thinking l' m not in 21st Century....cause some cares if she or he or etc..etc
Did she used to be a “he”?
New York Dolls fan?
John VanderMolen omfg lol
Neanderthal
@blue zylon You're an ignorant idiot. Not worth the time... Do something with your life that is not shouting at the clouds please.
@@kenmicallefjazzvinylaudiop6455 Autogynephilia
Uh...
That's a dude.
Um, gross. how weird.
Is that a dude ?
I'm thinking about trans ams for some reason 🤪
transpocalypse now (prev mr. e) might be in your future
I guess even audio files can be assholes.
Ines rhymes w penis. Volger Holger
Ah you guys! The idiot pen... So cute.
women?
Is anyone going to mention the elephant in the room?
You talking bout the (she) ?
@@louisdiering2905Lol, yeah.
I don’t know... How fat are you?
@@miguelbarrio take your meds
The only elephant in the room is your small mind and ugliness.
(She)
"her".... some how i don't think so!!
Boy George pegged Steve 🤣
Is it just me or does her voice sounds like a male :)
It's not just you my friend.
Thank god I can't hear your voice.
@@miguelbarrio Sorry was not hating on her, just thought it sounded deep for a woman :)
@blue zylon Grow up. What have you done with your life?
@@miguelbarrio By pretending that this man is a woman, you are amplifying his misfortune. He's clearly not in his right mind, and judging by your words, perhaps so are you.
You are the one who are childishly denying the reality of this man. Before you tell somebody to grow up, you should think of your own maturity or lack thereof.
are we sure its a she
Are you sure your comment is not pointless? Please, just take a moment before posting...
@@seemtorecall78 well , i felt very uncomfortable ,did you see his or her arms and hands,
the way the world is turning , you have to be sure, Steve should have checked it out first
Well, I guess if the point was to make people uncomfortable with your comment you did a pretty good job.
@@seemtorecall78 not my fault , i was watching , and something was off, creepy.........i'm surprised no one else commented.
@@seemtorecall78 Seems like a nice person,but that's a man
Transbender 🤣
That's stupid and doesn't even make sense!
SHE?....
Yes she.
Ossidian Ossidian This is what biology tells you: life is more complicated than your simple mind. But of course you know nothing about biology.
@blue zylon Born without a brain = blue zylon.