Caedrel's In-Depth Explanation On How Teams Draft In Pro Play (Worlds 2023)
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Caedrel literally predicted the Jax/Rumble interaction in game 1 perfectly. Insane.
He has the worlds script, he doesn't predict, he literally knows who gonna win. Thats why i know TheShy wins the worlds.
@@turnermarius4471 lil bro has access to the super secret Caedrel betting discord
@@turnermarius4471 fresse
@@turnermarius4471 nah, lets see how T1 do vs jdg, I predict t1 to win the series buy if they win this would be the easiest world's finals for t1 lol 3-0 easy win versus weibo
@@xer2507as ez as DRX last year aight? 😂
I hope Caedrel DOESN'T coach anytime soon. Not because he's not capable but he's the best content creator in LoL right now and it's not even close, we can't lose him
True af, the best streamer ever for me
Kesha is the goat
this was ultra informative i love seeing this side of caedrel as well cuz yes he makes everything funny and exciting but alongside that also getting a deep dive into the more complex areas of proplay is mega interesting loved the vid i would love if there was more of it for different teams etc
Ok, I am ready to be a draft master for G2 and lead them to the top of the world
shut up Grabbz, stop it with alt accounts !!!!
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Dumbass shit team 😂
This video os great, I wish riot invites you to do a feature on the lolesports channel to bring this kinda content there. I'm always watching your streams during picks and bans because I like the way you understand prios and team's prios during picks and bans
Honestly great explanation. For a Diamond 1 player like me, hearing pro play draft analysis opens a whole new perspective of the game.
You're a diamond player, you don't need to know anything about draft lmao just get better
@@MsSuperBMX Link your op
I've never played the game in my life. No need to reduce myself to your subhuman level
@@MsSuperBMXtalking trash online for no reason is far worse than playing league
@@MsSuperBMX Sorry, but your life sounds sad if you go to communities, in which you don't participate; know about them just enough to spread negativity and belittle people in them.
Also he was joking. Ranked queue has only 1 ban phase in which bans come out at the same time from both sides, so you can't even react to enemies bans. There is drafting champion picks, but it is too different to compare.
Damn, this guy has good knowledge about draft and the game, riot should hire him as an analyst
xdd
see what is so crazy to me is how binary it gets. like the diversity in solo queue (even in challenger) never gets this narrowed in on so few champs, a lot of what caedrel said in this was based on a orianna/azir/neeko mid lane, if you throw 1 more champ in there it gets far more complex
but the issue here is that those common bans and picks are what the current meta is about. you'll rarely see niche champs being picked unless that player is super good at it (e.g. teams banning olaf and darius against BDS)
@@iMperFect6703 fun fact: you could show proplayers who care about optimisation like 1-2 hours of garen gameplay and they would be able to adequately play the champ on worlds level and have an op pick. thing is, they are too scared to pull it out, if they dont have any notoriety on the champ like adam, so they would rather shoot their own leg by picking bad "meta" champs than pick hard to fail "offmeta"champs, that are insanely op in countermatchups.
BDD, has proven how bad azir blind pick is, with the xerath counter, which was such a laughably onesided game, but literally the game after, he blinded azir himself which makes drafting in proplay look like a waste of time, since they dont seem to care anyway. tbf, xerath is quite hard to pull off without experience, but its their job to become the best players on the planet, so investing into something that gives you 20% higher winchance simply for picking it with enough practice seems like a must. but hey, gotta spend 200 more games on the champ he played 4000+ times already instead.
and its not like pros couldnt ask otps on how to play a champ properly. with guidance they could learn the champ within 1 week. everyone seemed to learn adc heimer quite quickly with the help of otps in worlds 2018.
@stagaries1696 i mean pros have some niche pocket picks like lehend's singed support or keria with his ADC supports. the problem is that those picks are generally more riskier to play than meta and would force the entire draft to revolve around them just to make that pick decent. if someone just starts picking offmeta stuff in every matchup, it'll get predictable and teams will start to counter it. Meta is usually played because they're harder to counter (generally) and take less draft resources. not to mention that it would take everyone on the team to be able to play properly around a certain off meta pick.
An interesting wrinkle in this is that I doubt mid bans will be high prio in jdg/t1 except orianna/azir because faker and knight both play neeko/sylas/ahri/akali/syndra. They may try to pinch other lanes since all of the tier 2 midlaners are in the champ pool for both midlaners
@@iMperFect6703 It's not meta, it's a handshake of the most common playstyle that most of the team just refuse to deny
this is incredible insight, i love this kind of content from you pedro
Its so insane to know the small details and analysis in the pro level, reasoning is just insane and it gives us fans an idea as to how actually important draft is, alot of games are geniuenly decided in draft
Top tier content he is great at explaining concepts. It’s sad that we rarely see that side of Caedrel nowadays so it will be cool to see more content like this. I love the hectic side of him as well but it would be cool to mix it up from time to time with similar in-depth analysis.
i dont think you were watching his streams lately
I mean, I don't want to be negative but this video is a rant about particular possible drafts. There is little insight or actual conceptual presentation here. He would need to be way more methodical and break it down for it to be a reasonable explanation of a concept, nevermind a great one. He threw phrases like "force bans" and "match bans" out without defining them or explaining them.
All he really did was illustrate by some examples in a non-methodical way how one known commonly agreed upon bad matchup (Rumble vs Jax, Azir vs Orianna) can influence the draft.
@@theWebWizrd it's more of an analysis of how he thinks wbg vs blg drafts can go isnt it? he mentioned those champs specifically because of the available data on the two teams
This is honestly more insightful and realistic and accurate than any draft analysis from any other streamer like LS's weird ass counter pick scenarios
LS wants to be a personality. Caedral wants answers!
I used to watch and respect LS a lot as a new league player, but as I learned more about the game, his ideas just started looking so unrealistic. He'll start going on about some niche counter pick strategy that he used like once in solo queue that no one has ever practiced before. He's also hilariously bad at picking who will actually win a game based on draft which makes me doubt how well he actually knows the players or meta.
As someone newly interested in the pro scene and competitive league, coming over from games without character bans, this is actually really cool insight.
You're actually insane with the draft predictions, well played
This explanation was so good, Caedrel the goat
Bruh this video is so satisfying, i love these mind games
We appreciate the analysis
Awesome video, love the insight.
I can't wait for the JDG vs T1 version of this.
cant ban all the adcs in the game unfortunately 💀
Jdg bans about to be Cait Ashe Xayah then pick varus so they're forced to go aphelios milio
Leave OP adc up, force T1 to either pick them and play standard bot lane or let JDG pick the OP adc. Theres no point in banning adcs against T1, they are gonna pick something up anyways. Better to ban other champs other than adc.
then they go Nilah, senna or anything you cant punish T1 botlane thats the problem :D@@giacomobusnardo8168
But their whole schtick is playing for bot lane to win
I wish it was this fun and casual but then you get 5 players and a coach all telling you a draft always looks doomed and stressful haha. I love drafting but before big games its so much
Watching caedrel's stream is literally 4:40. I love it
This is why there's so much they could improve in drafting. Timing, strategy, composition, mindgames, communication and more.
And here I thought knowing what the meta/buffed champs and team's comfort picks are enough to predict the draft, guess I'm wrong all along
If they go Azir can you not just match control vs control or go Xerath/Ziggs/Lux/Syndra/trist into it?
ok pedro im ready
riot gotta let Caedral just costream all season man we learn so much from this guy
Give Caedrel LCS CO STREAM
We need you LoL Tarik!!
Don't listen to twitch chat. I absolutely love this type of content. I started watching you for your analysis type content and stayed for that as well as your fun personality. Please keep this up!
today one game he knew every single ban and pick it was really 5Head
Your analyst content is great, don't let the degenerate chat (which has its place of course) deter you from making such content. We enjoy it and are grateful that you keep making it. I became a fan by watching costreams, because there is a good mix of informative analysis and funny commentary. Keep going strong
I swear to god I love him talking about the game on the pros/analyst level it so good and simple.
Then there's the chat being insufferable rats spamming yappin, okk, xdd and stuff when he's actually talking about smth important like how he does draft 💀
chat be like (me included)
DO THE THING YOU PROMISED, then when he does it we go okk muted xddConga
pro insight with a sprinkle of rat chat yeah
LMAO i love that caedrel is goin in depth then chat is just spam
What about targeting players, for example keria on bard. Or Rell for Oner
We found out that crisp cannot, in fact, play hemerdinger.
So BLG vs T1
BLG bans: Jarvan, Varus, Bard
T1 bans: Maokai, Neeko, and Renata
Then the arms race begins betwen; Aatrox, Jax, Rumble, Rell, Oriana, Azir, Rell..
Maybe the lack of J4 and Mao will remove rumble from the mix. So much would be open for the bot side to going into phase 2 bans..
if only i could use this for clash. oh what is that? samira jungle??
I saw this on thebauss where he played on druttut tournament. I was like, "oh so this is how they draft their champs"
swear, twitch chat is such a cesspool of loud obnoxious teens sometimes it’s so frustrating. on another note, this vid is a hidden gem. who knew drafting could be so multi-faceted? goes to show the insane work high level teams put in to be the best
My gold 2 brain cannot comprehend any of this shit lmao
Can someone send this video to the western coaches?
Now, this is incredibly interesting, but I'm still wondering whatever the fuck that Kalista Cait lane was good for cause that in no way whatsoever looks like a good lane to pick.
That is why I hate the idea of "fearless mode" BO5s
I play league for over 10 years no, but I have no clue how anything of this works.
Caedrel coach when?
Caedral should probably just coach at this point
Chinese teams are good at Jarvan and Orianna Combo.I can't understand why many teams they keep banning the meta ADC which is easier to counter.
there's so many midlane champs though i don't know why people are favouriting ori, azir jayce. What happened to leblanc/ahri etc?
also can someone explain the benefits of being on blue/red side vica versa? just because of dragon/baron pit or?
Lb ahri only work with strong ad junglers (vi, viego, wukong, bel in this meta). And even then its very hard to play. Falls off super fast and you need to play around it. JDG is the one team that could maybe play it (since they are really good at it) but the other options are better
blue/red benefits are about draft order. ie blue side gets first pick for a strong champ while red has last pick so they can guarantee a counterpick
@@Ayrt0ne red side also has their 3rd pick, which can allow for a blind pick covered by 2 bans.
notNoted xdd xpp
The rat truely knows a lot about BP
okk
Can you really just pick Azir into Orianna? He is like 2W-9L in that direct match up and both wins were by T1 Faker...
you cant but people are crazy and delusional
historically its a decent matchup but in most recent times, orianna beats syndra/azir because shes strong
Azir has more range than Orianna.
As an aram player, I could care less about draft 😂
Why not dont ban anything xD
pedro xx
Lmao your chat is ungrateful af this is so interesting
This is so sad, not the video, I loved the analysis, Caedrel is great.
But everyone in the scene is just so convinced that the most played champions are the best ones because no one bothers to play counters and it really drags the whole scene down. I cannot believe that we are only seeing 3 champions in mid this year no sings of Ziggs, Xerath or Velkoz to deal with them. And this was only one example. I'm tired of pro teams mindlessly copying the current best team (like how BLG and WBG and JDG copied T1's supports.)
No one ask the question on a fundamental level of what makes a champion good and how should we actually draft with 160+ champs being in the game, no one utilizes flex picks and it is just a never ending cycle of picks we have seen hundreds of times. The word META isn't even used correctly. Meta was always layering the enemy, not whatever this is that is going on in pro play. Worlds is played on one patch. How come teams change champion priorities multiple times this worlds? They are CLUELESS of what is actually good or just being pulled into what everyone else is playing, not innovating and ultimately playing the same stuff worse than the best team in the tournament. The whole drafting scene is so fucked man...
Until RIOT introduces Iron Man drafting or a more restrictive drafting environment that forces pro teams to step out of their comfort zone we are doomed to see Faker play two champions every worlds :)
???
That's skill issue, look at fucking Keria. No one is forcing anything...
If a champion works for your team and you're confident, then pick it. The coaches are there to guide the players on what to do, not what they should pick.
Not every player can flex a LOT of champions, and it's a good thing because you can be a master with a smaller champion pool than decent with a bigger one.
This is Worlds, not solo queue, and being decent at a champion won't make you win it.
Its depressing that in a game with 165 champs, only like 30 are competitively viable, and most of the champs picked at worlds were also meta prior to worlds, and have been all year. Like its super impressive that Caedrel can easily predict what will happen in draft but it also just makes games a tad boring. I enjoy both Dota and LOL, and the Dota equivalent of worlds happened in October. There were only 11 unpicked champs/heroes out of a total 124. In LoL, there are currently 78 unpicked champs out of a total 165. There are more total games in the Dota tournament, but I doubt that even with more games in worlds, most of the champs that havent been picked yet still wont be.
swiss army knife champs > specialist champs in LoL
dota has a superior balance team since the allstar days. In dota you can win TI without playing any single meta heroes a great example of that is the TI Champion from 2016 Wings Gaming. They would pick Techies and Pudge in main stage just to mess around xD
So you just contradicted yourself by saying only 30 champs are viable because 87 has been played?
I think it's more on the players comfort rather than the actually powerlevel of champions. For instance, I think BDS showed what can happen when you play counter picks and use draft resources for that. with the GODS picks however noone else wanted to play those matchups because they wanted to practice the meta champs. Players will rarely pick off meta counters unless they practice for it specifically.
he lost me at
no need to explain this Yt and Twitch Livechat brain capacity only know high kda = good , low kda = bad
Caedrel and I came to the same draft strategies except I would target the first three bans to Master Yi Naafiri and Shaco because they are really stupid champs
what a headache honestly. I miss the days when players just ego picked their comfort picks. Fuck meta.
Good explanation of why most drafts at worlds suck, they have small champ and strategy pools. It's why i'm kind of uninterested in watching majority of the games, yeah someone will make a cool play or whatever but at the end of the day, they are all just following some shitty meta rather than actually playing the game in some ways
80+ champs and only a few gets played…so boring
it's like any other comp games like dota and valorant too. only the super good champs get played 😂
80+ ICANT
@@iMperFect6703except pros literally draft easily punishable champions or literally counterpick themselves all the time. League pros dont know how to draft
yes and somehow the coaches dont know or give in to the players demands...
@@egonomics352
@@iMperFect6703yeah super good champ on the meta, funny thing on dota2 TI meta is developed around pocket picks/underated champ with weird tech and builds. Probably around 1-6 champ out of 100+ "heroes" not picked on TI
these coaches need to be jobless
going into games with pre planed pick ban is insane...
Piss take. No planning is how games win in draft
@@PowdergameFan18 nah bro thinking your pre planed plan will ever work is just going to set you up for failure - its like you think you can win every chess match cause you learned one opening - but the thing is a single different move by your opposition will make otherwise good picks/choices into terrible ones.
You need game knowledge and draft theory - your prep is knowing champion pools and preferences - and then you have to think while drafting, not going of what you wrote on some piece of paper...
@@linkingxyugioh bro what is you talking about?? of course they do thinking while drafting and adjust accordingly, but going into draft without preparation is borderline insane.
This is on paper but paper doesn't win you games that's why u aren't there brother
I would prefer to hear this than LS
He is hands down the best League streamer for watching games .