Cut and fix architraves 18 gauge or 16 gauge brads? and how I like to do it
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This video is about 16 or 18 gauge brads? and how I like to cut and fix MDF architrave and other mouldings
I really hope you enjoy this video and really appreciate you watching
Love watching you work - so considered and skilled - nothing left to chance. Thanks for sharing as always! Cheers.
I’ve heard your the man to learn from 👍🏻 I’ll be looking through your stuff 👌🏼
Well I'm a fan of yours Charlie!!
Rob u r an absolute star! U made it look soo easy. Ive just done 5 door linings, architraves and fitted one door and I tell u I was was stressing like hell to get it spot on. Definitely lacking a gun nailer and experience but ur videos are very informative and helped me a lot. Even got praised for my work ethic and the final outcome. Im keen diyer and always happy to learn from you.
Ive just done a job replacing doors and arcs, what a night mare removing the glued on arcs. Never come across them being glued before. Nail gun at a slight angle, caulk to walls jobs a gooden.
Love this video! We are just finishing off our extension and I cut a temporary door hinge with a router freehand, it’s not brilliant! So pleased that the hinge jig is for sale and at such a reasonable price. I have ordered mine! Architraves and skirtings to do so your video is perfectly timed. Thank you once again, I don’t mind buying extra kit from someone when you save me as much money as you have! Top work Robin!
I actually used to use an 18 but now use a 16 I prefer the fixing strength. I find not much difference, you've still gotta fill the holes anyway so doesn't matter much on the head size, my opinion of course.
16 gauge for site work all day long .. unless it’s fine finish work … or private work ..
skirting’s especially require 16 gauge for a good fixing .
Great 👍🏼 video rob .
cutting all the heads and legs...normally i'd say...brave man, then I remember who i'm watching....you got this
If your mitre saw has a little bit of wobble, that's probably because you haven't locked it in place. That's what the lever on the end of the rotating table is for - it isn't just there to hit you in the nuts when you walk too close. :-)
To imagine the great Robin Clevett cutting a mitre the wrong way has given me great hope for the rest of us!
I remember using ovals and lost heads, Tap the end of them to stop the wood splitting. Flooring with lost heads was always a competition who could knock them in the fastest and with as little hits as possible 😂
Great job! You always make it look so easy Robin!
sooooo much content already in 2021. Superb work in all the ways Robin!
1 1/2 brads back in the day would have a black residue from manufacture. Get your softwood manky. Pine lining that was in fashion especially. Best wee had was a damp cloth. And the brads we had to 'borrow a handfull from site containers. The galvanised ones were realy bad to work with. How times have changed! For the better!!!
Love watching you work! Top notch thanks for sharing.
I managed to fit architrave to my newly installed stud wall doorway the other day. (I didn't know when you get a door fitted in a stud wall you dont get architrave...)
I watched you video, I especially liked the fact you dont need to measure anything, and then just went at it.
It looks great, my mind is blown. My father's mind is blown (although I got told off for not measuring...?), my buddies minds were blown.
Ordinarily I struggle to use a screwdriver, your videos are magic.
Thank you Peter!!!
Milwaukee just brought out a 12 volt nailer. Looks a sweet little tool for small jobs.
I find that the pneumatic guns can shoot hardwood to hardwood where the battery gun lacks that little bit of punch in that particular area the f18 passlode straight is the one for me 🔨
agree about Oval nails also Brad nails 1'1/2 and every nail was punched and block plane for miters
When you cut your mitres in a mitre box, oh those were the days
Wow... If only I could find a RO so clean and the jams so flush to the wall!! Lol 👍
I grabbed the Hitachi 18 ga she's lovely absolute top job it is!
Exactly the same as I do architrave, I make a jig out of 2 hardwood stair infills and mitre bond them together offset by the margin required , forming a rebate...works well for me
Yes the head is bigger on the 16 gauge and it will hold without having to glue.Replacing carpet with hard flooring and reusing the wood skirting I am thankful the old carpenter did not use glue!
I use 18g into the jamb and 15g into the stud. And 23g to pin the mitres while the glue sets ( if I don't use ca glue).
Hikoki is bringing out a angled 16g gasless gun soon so i will probably swap the 15g for 16g when it comes out.
no need to 45 flat mdf (no profile) Robin . Make legs full height and cut header in between . when I have to use mdf I also put a biscuit in .there is no grain so butt joints are faster and solid
15:29. It's bullnosed.
Done an architrave like that recently with mitre adhesive. Don't have a chop saw so used a shooting board and a plane to get the mitres picture perfect. Was sweating buckets waltzing the architrave though over to the door jamb afraid all would go in a heap in the floor. 🕺🏻🚪
the paslode - 'it is a nice machine though'.. until you're doing a roof in winter. I've had it so many times doing roofing where people's paslodes don't work, but the cordless dewalt 1st fix never fails
“Mark direction”. Door in my daughter’s “new” house had a door with the left leg mounted and the rest of the casing standing in the corner behind the door. Went to mount the two pieces. Head and ... another left leg. Thanks for the video!
Love that!
Robin, you should do a mitre adhesive review like you did with the grab adhesive! Do you have a preferred brand?
I find they vary on quality and on site when gluing up they always supply you with the cheapest!
Enjoying your channel mate 👍🏻
I think those ear defenders would work better on your ears Robin! 😂
I like the look of the 18 too. Nice job Robin.
Its really nice Brian just perfect for most trim work, have a good day mate
I do just that and when on site, I'll use either a ply or celotex board and make a jig
I agree about the nail sizes. This is relevant for me as I do everything I can on a project. if you were just priced for the chippie work, would you so much about the painter? 🤔
Well well well hello Robin you havent changed in 20 years mate good to see your well it's John Burgess the roofer from Purely I done some work for you in the late 90s I moved back to Suffolk in 2001 great videos and I have subscribed to your channel keep safe mate
Hi John, great to hear from you mate, are you still roofing? you where a great roofer mate shame you moved!! keep in touch mate!!!
@@ukconstruction Thanks for the reply Robin yeah I still do a bit of roofing but as you know the body gives up on you as you get older
Update is mate when me and the wife moved back to Suffolk we put our heads together and done the Sarah Beany thing The property ladder scheme went really well then moved into the buy to let game as well went ok until the crash in 2008 but managed to see it through and at the moment we are in the process of changing them all into holiday homes as we live on the coast and with the covid thing and people not going abroad it's playing into our hands anyway that's enough about me I see your a busy boy you always thought out of the box I still tell people when you took me to a job and it was Chris Tarrents house anyway keep in touch I'm on Facebook we can catch up on their I still go back to epsom every year for The Derby
@@johnburgess8530 Well done mate sounds like you made the right moves!!, Let me know about the holiday lets mate, we often as a family like to travel the UK and rent nice places as I m sure yours will be!! And maybe we can have a beer at the Derby!!!!
Always more fixings around Bedrooms...if not..Big Row..someone storms out...slams door..Architrave falls off!!
The activator spray is designed to work using capillary action .
It's maybe just the way the light is catching them but those mitres don't look as tight or neat as would be expected given the exceptional levels of finish normally seen on here.
Learned a new word today.
Thanks for the video Robin. Not been able to get on over the last few weeks due to materials shortages so your videos are helping me keep sane. Interestingly, I've just started using the 16g DeWalt DCN660 angled nail gun and it actually leaves a hole half way between the size of 18g and 16g. 😁 Slick work mate. Cheers.
Hi Dell, I always used pastlod nail guns both first and second fix which work great (except when very cold ha).
I was wondering if you knew what the main difference is between gas/battery powered guns compared to the cordless versions like the dewalt you have?
Cheers
@Dan The Chippie Hi Dan. Gas nailer use a piston and cylinder much like that in an internal combustion engine. Gas is introduced into the cylinder and inginted, pushing the piston down, firing the nail. Battery only guns use stored energy, or inertia built up by a flywheel type arrangement that is used to drive the nails🤞
@@thetallcarpenter hi Dell, I think the 18 g is the way to go for skirting /arctrave, door stops etc as they leave a smaller hole, and it's its better for cabnit work for same reason. Did you notice the difference in price between the 2nd fix paslode (about €530) and the 2nd fix fine paslode (€900).
@@danthechippie4439 I didn't buy the 2nd fix Paslode Dan, but I know it's more expensive than the 1st fix one😬
Thanks for a great lesson in carpentry. Enjoyed 😉
Thanks Robin. I thought it was a good way to demonstrate both and giving us your 80% use of the 18 gives a good feel for which way to go. Not forgetting the adhesive. Cheers 😊
I enjoye your videos lot and always learning something awesome.please continue share your great experience . good bless you
"you can use a combination square to mark out the margin"
Robin: "hold my beer whilst I make a Jig"
Nice work
How about a screw in a block?
Run it around the jam and the screw head will mark the margin with no evil pencil marks.
Yes they can be tempramental as Robin just showed, I always keep my gas in the cab not the back and stuff one in my pocket before use
Combination square for mitres . I would probably say cutting with handsaw and square is probably just as quick if you are only doing a few door the time you set up chop saw and bench , wood have two sides completed
@@alequee so you can cut 8 neat 45 deg mitres with a hand saw before I can get my chopsaw out and do it ?
@@alequee I just like buttons and triggers 🤣
I'm 18g most of the time now - exactly for the reasons you demonstrated. The 16g paslode is noisy, too temperamental and a bit rougher.
Paslode guns can pain be a pain robin with the gas out of date or left in the van for long period and the gun if they fall slighty they give lots of issues to .could to see now that there are lots of other brands of guns now that you dont even need gas for just a battery thats charge and happy days then 😀
I've been a joiner for 20 years m8 but no where nere as good as you love your video's but also ive got be multi skilled which i hate
Great video mate 👍
No you’re not, you’re not human! Your a carpentry machine!,
Awesome stuff!
Nice work mate!
Hi can you make a video about what type of filler/putty etc is best to fill nail holes and small gaps in between your cuts please.
Wicked Robin another amazing video mate 👌👌
I've got a DeWalt 16g finishing nailer.
(And a Framing nailer as well).
Never used them yet, but have loads of DIY coming up from Stud walls through to completion of the whole of my upstairs.
Yes, I'll no doubt use contractors at some point. But I want the satisfaction of having a go myself first.
I enjoy it (so far 🤪)
I'd prefer not to have to buy a pack of each available length
(32, 38, 44, 50 & 63 mm)
What lengths are best for what jobs?
Like ... Door linings, architrave, skirting, etc.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks
Thank you Andy!!!
Having nightmares on site at the moment with the paslode gas freezing, in the cold weather, don't fire, the battery ones aren't affected by the cold weather.
Try using the paslodes in -30 in Canada , sometimes I miss the uk only sometimes lol
Love that you take pride in your work Robin, seen a few people just wallop it on over the years!!
Is that Skirting 4U in Aldridge?! I have collected a few bits from there, always fast turn around. Also Robin is that where you purchase your MDF door frames from?!
Excellent video, like always. Can you do a video on doing architraves where the door casings not 100% square. Iv been doing a old house using softwood ogee architraves and it's been a nightmare in getting it close to perfection. Thanks
Top job. If you are fitting to dodgy old linings that are all over the place I’m guessing you can’t use the picture frame method? Any tips?
My Paslode is the same. Has been so unreliable since the day I bought it. It's so frustrating especially if youre reaching out up a ladder. I stopped using it now and only use my Milwaukee. It's been repaired more times than it was worth. Cleaning makes no difference either.
Really helpful video for me. I thought I was cursed with the nail gun.
Multistick is the business
got rid of my paslodes, gas nailers are so terrible when cold.
If you take the gas out and insert it somewhere warm for 5 minutes. 😂
I agree , hate them I’m all compressed air now. The huns are so cheap. I’ve got 16, 18, 22, first fix and a masonry nailer. Plus two staplers for not much more than one paslode and they never go wrong and fire every time.
@@SingleTrack66 If a tool does not work when you pick it up then its not really doing its job, the amount of times i had a 9x2 timber ready and then the gun dont fire.
If i went to someones home and started work but need a warm up time before i got anything done then i would not have much work :)
Paslode need to improve the gas or provide a warm up gas covering in the case lol
Got rid of two pasload 2nd fix gas nailers and bought the makita equivalent which has been much more reliable.
@@ashleyrowe2681 maybe you should start to respect your tools, if I left you in the cold garage all night and woke you up only when I needed you, then I wouldn't get your optimum performance?
@@sally6457 Perhaps i should tuck them up in bed for the night ! No other tool have issues due to the cold, i will stick with the hikoki
if your using glue why aren't you nailing with an 21 gauge nailer?
Hello Robin, great video. Given that the brads are primarily for positioning, have you thought of using the 23g headless pins? They leave virtually no mark. Never tried it myself but wondering if experienced folk have any thoughts.
They only good for detail that will never be touched.
@@wilkorogers8764I disagree I mostly fit prefinished hardwood architraves and use the 23 gauge along with adhesive so the fixings cant be seen.
Very nice Robin. Can you tell me, Gas or Battery preference? Thanks
I’m a chippy by trade and have several 16ga Paslode guns, great when they work but watching your vid is shows how temperamental /frustrating they can be let alone cost of fixings and maintenance. Was looking at the Milwaukee 18 ga gun but wasn’t sure if 18 ga brads were up to fixing skirtings as well as arcs. I use gripfill and Brad combo on both (38mm brads arcs) and (50mm brads skirts). Fixing 18mm MDF skirting I tend to tosh nail 2-3 brads every couple of feet. Just wanted your thoughts on an 18ga for the job don’t have a worry about fixing arcs it was more a concern on the skirting
Just wondered if you ever commuted to a Milwaukee gun ?
Iv only ever had a 16 gauge because most of the shop fitting firms will only supply 16g pins and the paslode 18g is rubbish
Robin what is the 18 gauge like for fixing skirting in to stud and dabbed walls is it a good enough fixing
Robin when the plaster sits proud of the lining , do you just nail the architrave and get the decorated to caulk the gap ?
I fixed it once by rabbeting the back of the architrave but it was a pain
@@ismu34 I have rebated the back of the architraves on occasion, but you can't really run the rebate all the way to the floor as it causes a step against the skirting. It generally gets caulked between the architrave and the lining. (which isn't ideal). I just get on to my plasterer keep his skim tight at the lining.👍
Should you always double name architraves even with adhesive heat in room can twist
Architrave of wall
Great video, thanks !
Stay Safe Robin ..
Looking to get one of them Milwaukee pin guns
I remember when these "nails" in guns were called panel pins!
Yep 2" ovals, nail punch no adhesive, mastic etc!
I still have a box full of 'Panels Pins' 'Ovals' & 'Lost heads' not used them in years, but I have them, maybe a Museum will want them in a few years
@@Pistol_Knight doubt it theyre still available - even at Screwfix! 😂
great vids as always, thanks for sharing. Have you done an MDF skirting install video, and also the same when fixing to block/plaster walls. Keep the great content coming
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Here's Robin on Skilbuilder showing how to fit mdf skirting and architrave. Enjoy. 👍
i find a 18g Ryobi is the business
Mr clevett what is the lead time on the mdf door linings and a rough cost please??
Great work
Still can’t see what glues were being used. Can someone let me know. Ta
Hi Robin,when will the new 4” hinge jigs be available on your site shop?
All the best mate!
I'm a massive fan of Robbins, he is extremely clear and concise in every way,
So why would you, if your confident enough to use a router? would you wait for a 4" version of his hinge jig?
A little effort and patience, 18" of 4"×1", a coping saw and 4 screws is all you need to make the jig you need.
It's an extremely simple template, if you can't make one then buying one is unlikely to help you.
Your work is always precise, do you Want an apprentice? 😁
Nice fine 18g brads and make sure it's set perfectly to bury the head
Are you using a timber door stop, or was the one on the head just temporary to stop the door swinging through.
Much tinier head 😂😂😂😂 I said to my wife do you want a much tinier head or shall I get Winston to pop round 😂😂😂. Sorry robin my dirty mind took over there love the videos keep them coming fella.
Hi a bit off the topic but could you use 3x2 cls for framing a man cave ? Thanks
That coffee must have been 50% dust
God that pazzy is awful. I couldn’t go back to using a gas nailer now. Aside from the delays when the gas isn’t up to temp.. the batteries are painfully old hat and the cost of gas and nails packs steered me away from Paslode years ago. I love my hitachi first fox nailer and Makita 16g. No lag. No load up. Batteries last for DAYS.
Wish Metabo did battery nailers as I’ve just upgraded all my kit to Metabo and Mafell on the 10ah battery. If Metabo did nailers it would be bye bye hitachi and Makita for me. I use 16ga brads on skirts/arc as it’s not always a case of decent/straight/true walls and linings especially with older existing walls when renovating. The 16ga brads have that bit more meat on them to drive in an get a solid fixing but I do fancy adding an 18ga nailer to my kit for when the walls/stud/linings are new. The hole left behind with an 18ga is much nicer to fill/prep.
Your not kidding I have a paslode I use for studding occasionally, I must have had it 10 years. The battery regularly jumps out and the amount of times it fails to fire after pushing the tip in is crazy. The new weapons are much better and lighter. Would never buy gas nailer again.
Hi Robin, so if you were in the market for a new pin gun regardless of brand or model, would you recommend buying a 16g or 18g for skirting and arctrave, door stops etc?
Hi Dan, great question, I like both sizes, I prefer 16g on skirting but 18g on architrave, mostly they only hold the moulding till the grab adhesive is cured in anycase! So..... you can achieve a good second fix with just an 18g but the fixing is only up to about 50mm as opposed to 63 with the 16g, hope that helps
Have you used a 16ga when fitting skirting to plastered breeze block walls?
So when you use a 8mm margin, and put a mark on it: Do you then add 1-2mm to compensate for the mark, or do you then use the mark so that you just cover it when you assemble the trim?
Your always thought to split the pencil line you won't go to far wrong once the pencil line isn't a magic marker 😝🔨
is that hikoki miter saw any good?
Robin, are they 762x2300 doors :-)
Sorry, couldn’t resist
Btw, prefer to use 18’s
Hi Rob. When is the 102mm hinge jig available?
Hi Danny, hopefully the end of this week mate
@@ukconstruction cheers. I've got 76 mm on the way.
@@TheAces81 thanks Danny!!!
If you have wet underfloor heating in a 55mm screed, do you need any expansion gaps under the legs or just sit them right on the floor?
Hi Dan, The heat from the underfloor heating will have no effect if the material is MDF, only if you have unsealed softwood that has a high moisture content when fitting might you see some shrinkage but in both cases you can hit the floor
Your tonsils will thank you for protecting their hearing :P
Lovely job but I’d preferred you to have taught me how to do it on my wonky 1930s place 😂
18 gauge every time. The painters love me.
A hole is a hole, you still have to fill it, if you use a twin pack filler makes no difference
See I prefer the clamping force of the 16, like Pistol says a holes a hole
@@Pistol_Knight seriously, you use a twin pack filler to fill a pin hole ? With 18 gauge it’s just a wipe with easy fill. Barely any sanding.
@@tompirozek4490 a few blobs of pink grip and 18g you can’t tear it off.
@@SingleTrack66 But with twin pack paintable in 15 mins
Great video, so informative. How do you like the dewalt table saw? Do you prefer the Dewalt TS over the Bosch jobsite table saw?
Hi John, many thanks for watching, I have not personally tried the Bosch jobsite table saw, I would imaging that its is fairly good, I like the Dewalt I have, but it all boils down to a really decent blade, I purchased this Dewalt saw for 1 job a few years age and I couldn't be with out it now!!!
Surprised you never locked the angle down on the mitre saw, done the job regardless though
I never lock down on a preset angle.
Great video again, if you had to choose between a 16 or 18 gauge, would you have one over the other? Thanks Mark
if I can get away with the shorter brad in the 18 gauge then it would be that every time!!
@@ukconstruction Thanks Robin, if you dont mind me asking, what's you current favourite nailer brand? Cheers
@@MH-qx2mj I really like the new Milwaukee 18v nailers, I am also running Hikoki which is on par and we have several paslode variants and these providing you maintain them are always real good too!!
@@ukconstruction Cheers
Robin great content as always we could do with you as a guest on Fix radio in our carpentry show?
Hi Andy, chat to Mark!!!! I'm on my way mate, we will be team mates soon!!
@@ukconstruction Look forward to that very much! I made the suggestion
@@ukconstruction my number is 07802 857585 give me a call when convenient if you fancy
Can’t think why you’d bother with 16 gauge. It’s the glue that’s gonna be holding it when it goes off, not the pins.