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Street vs RACE Clutches - Pros and Cons
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- How and a race clutch is optimized for maximum performance compared to your average street car clutch, and what you give up to get it: explained by a motorsports driver. Let's dig into street vs race clutches and explore their strengths and weaknesses!
With cars, everything is a compromise. Street cars sacrifice some acceleration and cornering capability in order to be predictable and forgiving to drive. As you shift the scale more towards racing and maximum performance, you give up things like a smooth ride, quiet road noise, light pedal feel and smooth clutch engagement.
All clutches are composed of 3 key components: a flywheel, a clutch disc, and a pressure plate. Let's discuss the differences between the street and race variants of each:
Street Flywheels are heavy, which helps the car get moving easily from a stop. The engine doesn't lose much speed as the clutch pedal is released and as a result the driver doesn't have to do much throttle modulation on takeoff. There is also more time to complete a downshift or upshift. Race flywheels are lightened considerably, leading to faster engine acceleration, however starting from a stop requires more aggressive throttle modulation and shifts must be executed more quickly to get the timing right.
Stock clutch discs have large springs to dampen the shock of clutch engagement and a full face of organic or ceramic friction material which gives long life and smooth engagement. They are also often more fragile when exposed to clutch drops or dumps like you'd see in burnouts when drag racing or clutch kicks when drifting. Performance clutches often feature pucks and a more aggressive kevlar friction material, along with smaller or no springs. These elements give faster engine acceleration and make faster shifting smoother, but will cause more vibrations when engaging the clutch and may also have some clutch chatter.
OEM pressure plates are easy to depress and modulate with the left foot, but are limited in how much clamping force they can hold: ultimately limiting the engine power you can add to your vehicle. The Racing clutch's pressure plate has a more aggressive spring which holds more horsepower and torque at the cost of requiring more strength to depress the clutch pedal.
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I love these type of videos, really great explainations. Thank you for taking the time to make them.
I’ve been trying to mentally “zoom out” and think about some of the car stuff I’ve learned over the years that isn’t always common knowledge, and make vids on it when I can. There will be more like this from time to time 👍🏻
Nice to hear from someone who doesn’t speak ebonics, while trying to explain something “they heard” before. Thank you for real mature education
That’s pretty much what I do when it comes to motorsports driving and sometimes car related tutorials 🫡
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Really loving this content! Such a great and informative video.
Thank you, I’m glad I could help!
Thank you so much for getting straight to the point without any bullshit talk like other CZcamsrs
Efficient info delivery 💪🏻
i love these types of videos keep up the great work kame
I’m glad I can help! :)
I love garage videos!. Love your videos about your real life car!
As the season ramps back up I’ll definitely have a few more of them :)
Great video! Very informative!! Thank you sir!
Nice content!
Easy going video
Cool info and edits
Thank you! I’ll have more on the way soon
Thanks for this!
Nice explanation! Liking the informative content to do with irl drifting components. Nice work Kame!
Thanks! I’ll continue with my mix of sim drifts and tutorials, and IRL content & educational vids 🤙🏻
Awesome video Kame! Very informative and you explained everything very easy! I'm learning a lot! Looking forward to more of these types of videos! ^^
Thank you!
Really good explanation! 👍
Thanks for taking a moment to say so! 🙌🏻
Great explanation thanks!
Awesome, I’m glad I could help!
Great video! 👍
Thank you! I appreciate it🙌🏻
Hey ! Will you do more mechanical videos like this one in the future ?
When the opportunity arises, yes. I enjoy making this sort of content, although so far it doesn't typically perform as well as my sim content does. I have a clutches explained video that I released recently, and a transmission rebuild video as well: czcams.com/video/t_xzGz4xlzU/video.html
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@@KameTrick thanks for your answer
Can you do a race clutch with a dual mass flywheel?
Google says yes
Beautiful video ❤️
Thanks! I guess I need to redo the thumbnail cause it’s not gotten a lot of clicks, but I thought the video itself was pretty solid 😅
Thanks great info
My uncle had a 75 gmc. That thing had the hardest clutch pedal I’ve ever felt, I’m pretty sure it was just the pedal though it was no race truck lol
Can I put a normal clutch in my Dogde Challenger? because I hate it.
If you bought one that had a racing clutch in it then yeah, you can absolutely take the transmission out and swap in a normal clutch again.
If you don’t have the experience or tools to do it, plenty of tuning shops can do the job👍🏻
Impressive Informative
Thank you, very informative
Heck yeah!
@Kame trick
Is it a good idea to daily a stage 3 6 puck clutch
The clutch won’t mind it! The driving experience will be a little more clunky when taking off from first gear, but honestly my car feels fine even with a lightweight flywheel. You can’t be lazy with the pedal work though-like you don’t have to be great, but you have to pay attention to keep it smooth each shift. Stock gear you can do it with your eyes closed yanno
In a budget diesel drift car, 240 Hp and 500-550 nm, should I install a new oem or race clutch, bmw 325tds, evry mod, new exhaust + downpibe and boost controller
We have a number of BMW drivers in the discord that would enjoy talking shop specifically about the chassis so you might give them a try: discord.gg/ewCbs8T
My personal recommendation depends on what you plan to do with the car? Daily driver? Track only and trailer it to the track, or somewhere in between?
@@KameTrick a track car I use for driving to the track, on the track and an occasional joy ride on the road :) but sounds like a great idea I'm definitely gonna do that. I would like to keep the clutch stuck if it can handle the 500-550 nm, bought the car standard with a slippin clutch, so I need to swap anyways now I'm and a bit afraid that putting a stock clutch in will have me swapping clutch soon again 😊
@@nicolajskovby6204 ah I see! Each stock clutch has its own torque holding limits, which I’m not familiar with many besides cars I own😅 But if you don’t plan to do drag launches or clutch kicks much a stock one may be fine unless you just make more power than the stock one can hold💪🏻
Assuming the material is the same, a puck/paddle/segmented clutch will typically have shorter life than a full faced one?
I would think so, since more force is applied to the material due to its smaller surface area. That said, the difference in life may turn out to be negligible...I think clutches are one of those things that outlast most things around them unless they have a catastrophic failure.
If you have to do a transmission rebuild--like me for example--you'll probably put in a new clutch while you have easy access, so it wearing out from natural causes may never matter.
Thanks!
A question that might be off-topic, but how can I determine if the problem is with the clutch and not the transmission itself?
Very informative, nice video.
I was just wondering if all clutches have synchros, and if not, why not?
Thanks! No clutch has synchros, those are actually located on the gears of the transmission itself. Transmissions have had synchros for a long time now, commonly since around 1960, and the first use of synchros on a production car was around 1930.
very useful thanks!
Glad to help!
Beautifu explanation
Thank you!
Hello. I installed a stage 3 clutch in my civic. Definitely hard to daily but didnt think it will be that bad. Starting off in st is very very harsh. Do i slip it longer or the opposite?
I had a race clutch in my old civic. I’d slip it longer, but in mine the trade off was either launch harshly and quickly, or-if I slipped it longer-the car sort of shuddered during the time that the clutch was slipping, but the launch itself would be smoother
@@KameTrick same bro lol. Ppl stare at me hard like WTF though
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@@KameTrick love seeing your videos can’t wait for you to get it back on track and see videos on that
@@simracingdrifting1043 sooon! Hoping to hit an event this time next month
Not a great explanation. They are called Paddles, not pucks, and as for the lightened and balanced flywheel, the idea is to accelerate quicker as the engine has less force to deal with, (never use one as a daily driver as it will damage your engine on a long journey because your engine needs inertia) the springs on the clutch 'friction plate' are there to minimise the force on the drive train, giving you less chance of breaking something and giving a smoother bite, like a normal daily driver clutch.
Thanks for the info, Steve! I’ve learned all I know from the people who came before me and try to present good info as best an honestly as I can, but it sounds like I could have done a better job with this one.
I’m not as worried about using the exact correct term, but your comment reveals that I could have been more accurate with some things. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your insights 🙏🏻
@@KameTrick no worries. Didn’t want to disrespect your vid, just thought pointing out a few bits. Thanks
while the lighter flywheel may give you some marginally better acceleration that may count for a racecar the quick reving and lower revhang makes sense because it allows you to revmatch much quicker and will have a much higher impact than a few horsepower released. But you could simply change gears without waiting for the rematch to happen even power shift but the wear on every driveline is accelerated significantly
Hi sir,
I got Impreza sti 2007 changed to Race clutch kit and new flywheel yesterday
I got juddering in first and reverse gear especially while I’m turning or parking the car
Does it needs to bed in or the race clutch is not suitable to my car?thanks
Why the springs in a plate are used ?