Update - After some analysis I decided to make a shielded mu metal variant which (in theory) could isolate the magnetic fields. I think this is what the original version is based on. I plan on building this variant in the next couple of months.
I am so glad you are working on this idea Tech Planet. I know this has to be possible. The number of people who have gotten patents on these motor have to know a few things we all have missed something. Good luck and keep us in the loop Peace and out v
Shielding has been tried many times, it doesn't work. You can only shield with ferromagnetic material, but to move ferromagnetic material in the presence of magnets needs energy. Which is exactly the energy you can gain with shielding. Nature can't be tricked.
I had an idea like this in 8th grade but I couldn't find a way to adequately shield the magnets so the only part pushing on the magnets in the wheel would be the part that repels them. You always end up with the magnets pushing both ways and only adding a small amount of thrust. So they always come to a stop after a few minutes.
@@Terrestre1 um that's what the shielding is for. To block the pole that is counter to the rotation. I just couldn't find a material that sufficiently blocked the magnetic field.
@@pedritomiralles hmmmmm I don't remember if I tried graphite or not. I was in 8th grade at the time and that was a long time ago. Maybe I'll give it a try. Now where did I leave that big graphite block I pulled outta that doohickey?
Don't stop believing. I'd personally avoid systems that try to create energy from magnets. However, extracting energy from the quantum vacuum using a casimir diode is a worthwhile endeavour. Google Garret Moddel casimir diode.
Drill a hole through those outside magnets and mount them so they can rotate! If done correctly you should be able to bipass the magnetic field of the next magnet in the series.
No. Permanent magnets can never drive a motor, never mind what tricks you try. For the simple reaseon that they exercise forces but can not deliver continuous energy.
My dad made a small one of these, totally different magnet placements, and the ones on the outside rings were on springs inside their sockets. he had smaller magnets between the larger ones on the inside disk that pushed opposite way and they were all spaced further apart. his, he put on the shaft of a dvd burner motor and connected it to a battery charger for AAA's and C's and then to a lamp. he got it to power the lamp while charging the batteries after cranking it by hand for a few to get it going.
Ya, I fell into this hole too for a while. I bought a bunch of my own magnets and fiddled with them. I slowly learned that this will never work for a simple reason. A magnetic field isn't energy, it's a force. Seems silly, but it made things make sense in my mind. Energy is a transfer, a change in state. Magnetic fields are a constant force, unchanging. Even an electromagnet. Sure it can change, but not by itself. The current needs to change, which causes the change in the field. That's why, if you hold a magnet still near a wire, nothing will happen in the wire. It is exerting a force on the wire and it likely has an altered state due to the forces of the magnetic field, yet that state will be constant as long as the magnetic field stays constant. A magnetic field is basically a handle. You move the magnet, it changes the state of the handle, which changes the state of whatever it's attached to. Don't move the magnet, nothing changes. On these magnetic wheels, the opposing forces are constant, like you said. Energy, change, will always need to be added to the system to drive the wheel. It's a really fun project to play with and a good way to learn about how magnets work.
All of the "functioning" Perendev motors that I have seen functioning have three sets of rotor/stators that are slightly offset so that one is in neutral while one is pushing and one is pulling..The angles of the magnets are supposed to allow more push than pull, creating continuous rotation. I'd love to see you do an experiment with this. Thanks and good luck.
@@JF32304 Thanks. Ooooh. How mysterious and intriguing. 🙂 Have you built one? I downloaded plans quite some time ago. We bought a CNC mill and lathe to try some experiments, but the mill had motherboard issues and never functioned. Then, some family issues arose and we had to sell everything. My attention has been diverted since. It is still a passion of mine, but I don't have workshop space to dedicate to experimentation and production. Cheers.
You can get longer lasting spin with no magnets and a flywheel. Permanent magnetic cannot be used to make a motor by themselves, since a unipolar magnet cannot be created, electrical fields are typically used to create a mono-pole moment (even though an electromagnet is still a dipole.
According to Both GPT and Gemini if you were to use a superconductor for the outer magnets it will actually work (especially if you use magnetic bearings so there's no friction on the rotation). Of course today that also requires a lot more power to keep it cool as we don't have a room temp superconductor (yet) And the other thing would be to space the magnets out enough that it works more like a fly-wheel, so you would have more magnets on the outside frame than inner disk. And of course would have to run it in a vacuum to mitigate other forms of energy loss. So the concept would basically depend on 3 key things: 1. Gravity pulling a fly-wheel around. 2. Zero drag superconductors to "repel" the fly-wheel back up to the tipping point again where gravity will take over.. kind of like a roller-coaster I suppose. 3. Outer frame magnets sliding in and out of position to increase repel. Momentum will help improve efficiency further.. And it seems we're not breaking any laws of physics as we aren't creating energy or destroying it etc. it's just transforming. Anyway it's a fun thing to think about but totally based on fiction right now since we are missing a very important ingredient lol I'm also still a little sceptical on the physics of this as in my own experiments from years ago, I realised there's a very close relationship between the voltage needed to electromagnetically repel something, and the power it will generate as gravity pulls it back down toward the earth...
That is a really good point, I appreciate the comment! I thought about using superconductors for awhile, maybe even just using superconducting tape if I can get my hands on it. I ordered mu metal and isolated brass magnets, the video will probably take 2 months to show everything. I was skeptical too until I started messing around with coils/ultrasonics and found weird stuff with voltages.
With superconduction you could reach a construction which rotates almost perpetually but it would still not be able to deliver mechanical energy. Even the smallest load would stop it. Answers of AI are doubtful since they will depend on the questions. And AI doesn't know more than textbooks on physics. And textbooks on physics make it clear that a motor can not be driven by permanent magnets only, never mind if superconductors are used or not.
If a motor is to be moved by permanent magnets alone, then it must also be possible to build a motor based on falling stones. The ground and the stone also attract each other. But no one has ever succeeded in doing so. You have to lift the stone up again! In the same way, magnets that have been tightened must be released from each other with great force.
It’s actually quite satisfying to know that there is a limit to the physical laws. That whatever you do nothing unexpected will happen. When you define ‘this will not actually work’ it is almost as deceiving as stating ‘i think therefore i am’. Which starts with stating ‘I’ as an certainty, therefore giving a flawed logic statement. So by saying ‘this will not actually work’ i hope you are addressing the whole idea of perpetual motion. Not just this machine.
I had an old friend, who has passed on, that made a magnet motor generator. He was a trained engineer for the United States Corps of Engineers. His design was based on negative energy for the bearings and propulsion. The magnets were electromagnetic so he had to ramp up the machine to start it. It worked like a rail gun or bullet train. The machine produced about three times the energy that used . When he started to get his patent, he was approached by General Electric. They offered to buy the machine. He rejected the offer. The next week he received a subpoena from General Electric and was told that they had already applied for the same thing. It stayed in court until his death. His wife died broke. General Electric got the contract for a lot of military work. His name was Shelby Palmer from Fulton,MS.
I think that a concept along these lines has potential for generating a small amount of power with minimal maintenance by the user. But it’s maddening how every video of one in action always features a cut just before the rotation gets going and it’s suddenly spinning at high speed and there’s a subtle whine that sounds suspiciously like an attached motor.
Why do people keep trying to create a perpetuum mobile? It's literally impossible. Newtonian laws forbid it some run longer then others but without adding additional power it will come to a halt at some point.
Correct except "some run longer then others". No magnet motor has ever run, not even for one turn. They only run for some time if they are set in rotation by an external energy.
Try having the outer edge of the inner disk as a cog and the outer disk magnets on springs, As the inner disk spins the cog pushes the outer magnet away and then the spring returns it. My guess however is that the force needed to pushing away will be more than the rotational force induced by the magnets, but its worth a go.
Use 3 rotors and 3 stators, but remember, that rotors shouldn't be placed in a row And you should also use a Cooper pipe as a magnetic shield for each magnet You can find a patent on web, with a instructions
So the main energy losses I can think of in the design are air resistance, bearing resistance and Eddy currents within the magnets, reducing these losses will let it spin for longer, although reducing these losses is also a challenge industries have dumped billions of dollars into optimizing
If you could eliminate all resisting influences as friction, air resistance and Eddy currents this "motor" would run forever. But if you try to drive some load with it the "motor" would quickly come to a stop. Any wheel will spin forever in the absence of resisting influences, you don't need magnets for that!
I can give you a project what will work, but i have it only on paper and in my head. But it wil work better then what you have made. I got my idea when I was 15 years old, now I am 55. But i have never seen my in internet.
Michael James Brady the inventor of this "perendev" model did a few years in prison... it's still pretty cool in a workshop, but not in the living room. :)
These magnets at their closest appear to be an inch apart, they'd work considerable better if closer, and may be the reason this doesn't work. We also have no way of knowing the polarity of these magnets, I feel it'd likely work better if magnets were repelling one another. I also think if attracting magnets were built into the support structure of the hub, there'd be a pull from the inside of the circle and a push from the outside, that little extra pull could make a big difference, also I's suggest that the wheel has significantly more mass and weight required to hold the magnets than needed. There's also considerable noise from the hub which indicates significant friction, I'd suggest that using a bicycle wheel with proper machining and bearings could make a large difference.
I don't have any background on engineering nor english is my first languege. I believe that to create a funcional lightsaber, regardless of type, you need a way to manipulate the shape and strength of a magnetic field, and a way of create plasma (hot or Cold), and miniaturize everything. the magnetic field would give the shape of the blade and the strength of the field need to be either variable so the energy can interact with the enviroment or need some form of "miracle" point that can secure the energy inside the field and allow the field to disperse for interaction with the enviroment. plasma has many forms there is grape plasma that apears in a microwave oven to atmosferic entry. from easy to hard i believe that cold plasma lightsaber are easier but i have no ideia on how destructive.
I thought of this magnetic motor design myself.But I have no shop or tools Thank you for making This as it was just stuck in my head for the last 16 years. Comment made by.🎉 Pendragon, mystery school.
hello, nice project! why don't you try to make the fixed magnets turn in a chained way to the wheel? like a crankshaft system connected to the camshaft, only in your case the wheel through a gear wheel rotates some external magnets in so that they continue to create thrust and move all together
The magnetic field exists in an Inertial frame of reference, it is the force that pulls-straight inwardly into infinity, having no angular acceleration and no angular de-acceleration. When we think in terms of adding energy to a spinning wheel, it's all about the force that pushes & bends and or the boundary producer. Perpetual motion can only exist in a inertial frame of reference being with respect to our size & time domain. Only the plugging force, (angular acceleration) keeps us from being sucked inwardly into infinity... Hence the term, boundary remover! Cool video, your work is greatly appreciated, thank you. 🙂
I can’t believe it. Especially ones who claim they have one that does but…insert lame excuse involving oil conspiracy, government collusion. Lack of funds and so on.
wow so cool man! I have a suggestion, I know its a bit complex but what if the outer magnets can be adjusted in angle? perhaps there is a sweet spot? also get some magnetic viewing film so you can see what's going on.
Everyone writes these videos off because "free energy" isnt possible. Its not about free energy, its about increasing the efficiency of the input energy. What if we found a way to get a car up to speed and then using something like this to keep the car coasting longer than without it, the goal is to get as close to "forever" as possible.
I remember that there were a few rules that must be met in order for the device to work. The magnets on the wheel are too close to each other so their magnetic fields overlap. The distance between the magnets on the circumference of the circle should be at least 1.5 times the diameter of the magnet (preferably 2 times) and be at least 1.5 times greater than the distance between the magnets on the small circle and the large circle. The inclination angle of the magnets on both wheels should be 30 degrees. It looks like it's 45 and 60 degrees. change it and have fun.
That original motor had springs at the inner side from the magnets, they dont been complete static. It also had 3 wheels, where it seems, that the 2 other helped to overcome the sticky point. But there been to less informations about the device itself to reproduce it.
perhaps putting the gate magnet on a rocker arm driven by a cam on the motors shaft or maybe an electromagnet powered by a capacitor being charged by a stator?
For 15 years, I have been working with angular resonance and I am ready to do the electricity generation project together with investors who agree to make an official protocol. Everything will be done openly after the signatures are signed.
Hi James , No such thing is a perpetual magnet machine ! I been playing with magnets all my life as a kid ! Reasons is because the NORTH & SOUTH MAGNETIC FIELD CANCELLED OUT EACH OTHER IN THAT ROTATION !
IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I Reply
The problem ive always had with magnets, were the magnets themselves. The field needs to be warped so the field can be controlled into a direction. I havent had a chance to try it, but ive been thinking since copper and aluminum can change the magnetic field, is using some sort of tube to narrow the magnetic field.
I built my magnetic perpetuum mobile using aluminium hands, which would move in between approaching magnets of equal polarity, waiting for the magnets to pass, and then pulling the aluminium hands out, by which means the repelling magnets would turn the wheel. As simple as that! Based on our physics' teacher's explanation, that "metals" shield off magnetic lines of force, I chose a non-magnetic metal like aluminum, which would not have to fight the attraction of either magnets, and would not require energy to be moved. Needless to say, it did't work: Aluminum does not influence the magnetic lines of force, and as a result, it cannot "cut" them or "shield off" magnetic forces. Lesson learned: When a physics teacher talks about "metals" in magnetism, he might as well be thinking of "ferro-magnetic metals" only.
second la of thermodynamics explains behavior in CLOSED SYSTEMS. A Symmetric OPEN system in my opinion can leverage a dynamic magnetic field in the magnetic gate the "sticky point"
Conservation of energy is mostly formulated for a closed system, but it is also valid for open systems. From the formulation for a closed system you can at once derive a formulation valid for open systems. Permanent magnets deliver forces but no energy. That's why a magnet motor is impossible. Think of all the different designs which have been tried. None of them moved even for one turn.
@@sciencefreak9070 think of "accidental scientific discovery's that are hard to reproduce at first. or Manhattan project when entire branch of physics was classified "TOP SECRET" so people wont have ludicrous amounts of dangers energy in their Garage, , i mean who knows, solar panels and wind power are open systems dependent of external potential energy reservoir, A symmetric systems sometimes reveal hidden "energy reservoirs" hopefully we could one day "harness the wheel works of nature" - Nikola Dear Nikola... like the Magnetospheres\CMEs\ solar Proton ejections etc... using Magnemic fields as a tap to that potential energy reservoir
you can also overcome sticky point in vgate designs with liquid cooled superconductor, i have heard from an inventor that he has tried it successfully using liquid cooled superconductor in the dead spot of an vgate design
this would work if the magnets on the outside were electromagnets as you could then control when they are active and when they are not kinda like a rail gun or particle accelerator and it would still be able to output more energy than you input as you only need them to activate for less than a fraction of a second although this would be happening constantly
The magnetic coupling of pumps and motors. The magnetic rotational motion direction or motor, must have both , like North pole and south pole., similarly magnetic attraction force as well as magnetic repelling force. It must be connected to a motor which keeps on rotating with the same energy power, generated by the rotating magnetic coupling.
How about if you make each magnet in their respective hole rotate freely. You may also need to change the placement of each magnet to minimize the tugging or stalling effects of the current configurations. In other words, in the new configuration, at any time or location, each magnet is either pushed or pulled in the same direction. There is no free energy that can be extracted from this type system. However, it can do some simple work within the limitations of the magnetic energy stored in the magnets. You may also add some coils in the feedback path to compensate the rotor slip caused by applied load.
Love your dedication, if you can make energy next to nothing it is a good start and magnets could help as a lubricant and be one component of a bunch. I'm new, don't critique to hard.
Gravity will always pull down on it, you're just shifting the load from vertical along a couple of internal bearings to horizontal over more bearings. Higher friction on vertical, less friction over a higher surface area horizontal. It will make a difference as to how the bearings wear but not a lot different related to frictional losses overall.
Great project. What if the outer magnets were on arms that were pushed away by cams our gears when the center wheel spins. In the same manner you pushed and pulled a magnet away to show how resistance prevented it from spinning continuously. Perhaps if timed properly there may be a better result.
this is cool. I wonder if there is a way to pressurize the system so the torque is sufficient to put load on it. perhaps a closed system of some sort ontop of the kinetic energy being produced by the magnets 🤔
2nd / 3rd law of thermodynamics Plus the law force the govern our universe -kinetic energy. If you don't apply kinetic energy to particles or magnetic fields from and external source you ALWAYS end up with a energy loss
I know this will be hard to build but you can do it yo! Please read. If you have the outside magnets each able to spin as the wheel spins the outer layers of magnets need to change polarity and can do so if you have a Rotary position for each outside magnet. If you make then spin they will push. If you build it it will work. You may have to use a double outer layer of rotating magnets to help spin around the outer magnets so you need to keep adding to match every possible aspect of wave form of pos and neg at every possible angle. If you build it you will be successful.
Make individual magnetic circuits to guide the repulsive side of the magnets away from the next approaching rotor magnet. Think of it like a transformer core and how it works. It completes a magnetic circuit and the magnetic field at a positive value away from the core surface becomes extremely weak. Just something to think about.
mu metals and a few other material types such as electronic magnetic repression and special paints, allow you to make “fake monopoles”, you can’t beak the laws of physics, magnetic induction and motion but you can neutralize them to some extent. You might also be able to use electrostatic forces instead of magnets. I asked an LLM to summarize the basics of the technique. electrostatic forces arise from electric charges, which can be considered as monopoles in the sense that an individual charge (either positive or negative) can exist independently. For instance, an isolated electron has a negative charge, and an isolated proton has a positive charge. The electrostatic force between two charges follows Coulomb's law, which states that the force is directly proportional to the product of the charges and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. So, while electric charges can be seen as monopoles in terms of their isolation, they differ fundamentally from the concept of a magnetic monopole. The similarity is that both electric charges and hypothetical magnetic monopoles exert forces that diminish with distance according to an inverse-square law. Remember though you are limited by the max “ pressure “ insulators can hold back before there is a short. electrostatic forces arise from electric charges, which can be considered as monopoles in the sense that an individual charge (either positive or negative) can exist independently. For instance, an isolated electron has a negative charge, and an isolated proton has a positive charge. The electrostatic force between two charges follows Coulomb's law, which states that the force is directly proportional to the product of the charges and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. So, while electric charges can be seen as monopoles in terms of their isolation, they differ fundamentally from the concept of a magnetic monopole. The similarity is that both electric charges and hypothetical magnetic monopoles exert forces that diminish with distance according to an inverse-square law. I can dream of building an engine that tops off the electrostatic charge , and allows you to have a very efficient engine from algae power lol High-Voltage Transmission Switching: Utilizes advanced methods to switch and control the flow of high-voltage electrical currents. Superconducting Loop: A loop made of superconducting material, which can carry electrical current with zero resistance. Simulated Multiple Windings: Achieved through a unique configuration or operation of the superconducting loop, giving an effect similar to having many windings in a traditional electromagnetic setup. Slow Electron Propagation: Utilizing the relatively slow drift velocity of electrons in a conductor to affect the electromagnetic properties of the system. Monopole-Like Magnetic Effects: Creating magnetic field configurations that mimic some aspects of theoretical magnetic monopoles, using the properties of superconductors and electromagnetic field manipulation.
Monopole magnets - if they would exist - would also not allow to build a magnet motor. After all, gravity is kind of monopole, but where is a gravity motor? Electrostatic forces are much weaker but also with them a motor can't be built. Electrical charges are - just as permanent magnets - not a source of energy, they only deliver forces.
Looks like it accelerates and magnifies whatever original motion is applied to it Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal? Adding electricity to the outer ring should make it a functioning motor, but it's still not free energy... although I think these kind of motors are extremely powerful if tuned properly.
Try a spiral of similarly oriented magnets in the rotor with a full flat north and a full flat south on the there side of the rotor, because the locking of the north and south poles actually rotates at all times maybe the magnets oriented inward torward the center of the rotor will just get caught in the north south vortex and then rotate more like a tesla turbine than a pushing device, more like magnetic friction.
If you add a pulley and belt you could hook it to a small generator or alternator and battery that would be the power source to run a bigger generator.
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I would leave only every sixth magnet on the rotor end. That way there would be much less interference. I doubt it would work, but it would be nice to try something like that and show in a next video.
Put each of the outer magnets on mini wheels and rotate so it performs the same pushing then gets out of the way and rotates around again and pushes again.
Just a thought, i see how you moved the magnet in and out to get a pulse effect like an electromagnet coud do, why not replicate that efect with either a cam in the centre moving the arms in and out at the right timing to skip the following magnets efect and dropping back in at the right time to have the repellent force applied at just the right time, alternatively it could be bumps on the outer of the wheel shunting individual magnets on sliders pushing the outer magnet away and towards the inner magnet etc... just a thought
If inital voltage was provided by pv and hall sensors in combination with an algorithm based current controller to maximize efficiency across all bands of performance
So you have to use the kinetic energy of the rotor to extract some energy that is used to move the magnets to always point them in the correct direction, of course the rotor must have enough mass to store enough inertial energy, don't you think so?
I built one in 2002. The energy loss to make the magnets is not made up by the machine because gauss in the magnets is lost in use. The magnets are basically a battery in this case...
Cześć, Czy myślałeś o tym, żeby na przykład wyizolować magnetycznie pola interferujące? Druga opcja jaką rozważam to dwa lub trzy rotory. pozdrawiam Cię serdecznie, mam nadzieję, że nie będziemy musieli stworzyć magnesów jednobiegunowych.
People should keep trying and stop discouraging efforts. Saying it's impossible is likely wrong. Like the wright brothers who were slandered as frauds while books were written on why man can never fly. The potential is greater than our arrogant nihilism.
I seen one of these that a young man built and it kind of worked. But was finicky. It really couldn't drive a load and I think it used three sets of magnets instead of the sheet of magnets you used.
If you SHIELD ALLthe magnets in such a way that only ONE POLE is effectively being output, you create a MONOPOLE MOTOR which absolutely WILL WORK. The field strength DOES deteriorate after about two years BUT with big enough magnets made out of a CHEAPER but same EM field-strength ceramic permanent magnets, it would work for AT LEAST TWO YEARS giving you the ultimate power pack that SHOULD work up to about 2000 watts output continuous which is good enough for most household modern electrical generator tasks such as running 120V at 20 amp circuits (i.e. one or more devices at up to 2000 watts combined total on a continuous basis!) If the COST is cheap enough for the magnets, buying a NEW magnetic power pack every two years make perfect sense on a cost-wise and practical basis for many household, campsite and worksite power-supply tasks! This TYPE of motor NEEDS the magnets shielded enough to create a practical equivalent to a Magnetic Monopole where the positive or negative field is the ONLY one being output on a given side/pole! V
I have a thought have you tried using a cam on your shaft with a leaver that pushes a are out from the spinning magnets. Or a leaver that would push up a small piece of lead plate in between the magnets to block the magnetic filds
Absolute no kind of magnet shapes is suitable for a magnetic motor. Permanent magnets alone can not drive a motor, never mind what shape they have. I always wonder about such advices. Do you have a running magnet motor with plate magnets? Of course you haven't.
What would happen if you put a spring in the connecting part of the outer circle that is not fully compressed and not fully expanded. Then you place the entire construction on strong springs that are attached to the floor or table. And then you start the magnetic motor. Would it spin for a long time? Ps. this design applies only a 2D magnetic force to the rotor region. It might be wise to create a prototype on the principle of a bicycle fender, where the rotor is surrounded by magnetic fields. Of course, springs would be used again so that the individual magnets in the outer circuit could move and thus create an oscillating magnetic field.
What ever you try, permanent magnets alone can't drive a motor. This is impossible to best asserted laws of physics. Just as you can't lift yourself off the ground by pulling at your shoe laces permanent magnets can't drive a motor.
Honestly I think propetual motion machines and free energy, similarly, are pretty silly. But if it is at all possible to make something close, It just may employ a technology with the ability to "borrow" it's energy from the future. The idea is Inspired by the tunneling theory, but translated to macroscale objects. We can speculate this similar to how some quantum experiments tested quantum entanglement on macroscale objects using quarts crystals doped with entangled photons if I remember correctly.
Yeah, Free Energy is silly. the issue that people gets stuck on is the energy source. Propetual machinces is defined by the requirement of needing outside energy to function. A Magnetic wheel like this only needs internal energy, which is not Propetual due to the fact that magnets has a shelf life of 500 years+. So the energy is not free, as it gets depleted over time.
I think they are onto something. I would think creating that wheel and using it in a glass hothouse with the energy from the sun and glass could make these magnets produce some type of energy.
I made something similar to this that works. I tried getting a patent on it. I was quite ignorant at the time about what it takes to really get a patent and tried going through three different "patent agencies". After losing $7,500 total, I gave up. I did file formal complaints on each agency with the FTC after each one screwed me. The first two were shut down by the FTC and the third lost a class action lawsuit filed by the FTC. I received only a small portion of my money back from the 3rd company, which is still in business. Finally, I paid a patent attorney for 30 minutes of his time just so he could explain what it really takes to try to get a patent. I should have done that first. Now I know 🧐. Note: it is NOT a free energy machine as it won't last forever. But, it does last for a LONG time 😉.
Do you mind posting a video? Obviously, nothing lasts "forever" (e.g. bolts rust over time and need to be replaced, etc.), but if its output power is greater than the power it takes to get it started - then you're on to something. I have been interested in this topic for decades and would be more than willing to help financially for absolutely nothing in return. It's just a passion project of mine. Thanks for the comment!
@@justlolatthisworld7917 @Just LOL At This World I basically gave up on it many years ago. I still have my notes hidden away. I've been thinking recently of making another small working model. I made one 20+ years ago that I mounted a small propeller on. I kept it running in a closet for several months until the cheap bearings gave out. I cannot afford to hire a patent attorney and everything else it will take to try to get it patented. And that's assuming I would get a patent. I quit looking, but over the years, I've come across other similar ideas that may have been patented. Thanks for the response.
Update - After some analysis I decided to make a shielded mu metal variant which (in theory) could isolate the magnetic fields. I think this is what the original version is based on. I plan on building this variant in the next couple of months.
I am so glad you are working on this idea Tech Planet. I know this has to be possible. The number of people who have gotten patents on these motor have to know a few things we all have missed something. Good luck and keep us in the loop
Peace and out v
без использования составных магнитов Говарда Джонсона ничего не получится.
NOW you are on the correct path TP
The more I mess with magnets I am more than certain that HJ was correct. Compound magnets are the way to go for sure. @@antitrehlebov
Shielding has been tried many times, it doesn't work. You can only shield with ferromagnetic material, but to move ferromagnetic material in the presence of magnets needs energy. Which is exactly the energy you can gain with shielding. Nature can't be tricked.
I had an idea like this in 8th grade but I couldn't find a way to adequately shield the magnets so the only part pushing on the magnets in the wheel would be the part that repels them. You always end up with the magnets pushing both ways and only adding a small amount of thrust. So they always come to a stop after a few minutes.
Graphite is the answer. It doesnt isolate but redirects the field.
Oh that would work fine!
But only if monopole magnets would be a reality. They don't.
@@Terrestre1 um that's what the shielding is for. To block the pole that is counter to the rotation. I just couldn't find a material that sufficiently blocked the magnetic field.
@@pedritomiralles hmmmmm I don't remember if I tried graphite or not. I was in 8th grade at the time and that was a long time ago. Maybe I'll give it a try. Now where did I leave that big graphite block I pulled outta that doohickey?
halbach arrangement of magnets will get you close to monopole
Energy always has an origin. People have to stop believing that there is such a thing as a free lunch.
Don't stop believing. I'd personally avoid systems that try to create energy from magnets. However, extracting energy from the quantum vacuum using a casimir diode is a worthwhile endeavour. Google Garret Moddel casimir diode.
You could also make the bearing that the wheel rests on to opposing magnets so that would reduce friction.
Drill a hole through those outside magnets and mount them so they can rotate! If done correctly you should be able to bipass the magnetic field of the next magnet in the series.
No. Permanent magnets can never drive a motor, never mind what tricks you try. For the simple reaseon that they exercise forces but can not deliver continuous energy.
My dad made a small one of these, totally different magnet placements, and the ones on the outside rings were on springs inside their sockets. he had smaller magnets between the larger ones on the inside disk that pushed opposite way and they were all spaced further apart. his, he put on the shaft of a dvd burner motor and connected it to a battery charger for AAA's and C's and then to a lamp. he got it to power the lamp while charging the batteries after cranking it by hand for a few to get it going.
do you have a picture?
Liar.
@@thejamesasher I can ask. But it got left behind when we moved. wasn't very big
That was a pretty mean dad joke IMO.
Ya, I fell into this hole too for a while. I bought a bunch of my own magnets and fiddled with them. I slowly learned that this will never work for a simple reason. A magnetic field isn't energy, it's a force. Seems silly, but it made things make sense in my mind. Energy is a transfer, a change in state. Magnetic fields are a constant force, unchanging. Even an electromagnet. Sure it can change, but not by itself. The current needs to change, which causes the change in the field. That's why, if you hold a magnet still near a wire, nothing will happen in the wire. It is exerting a force on the wire and it likely has an altered state due to the forces of the magnetic field, yet that state will be constant as long as the magnetic field stays constant.
A magnetic field is basically a handle. You move the magnet, it changes the state of the handle, which changes the state of whatever it's attached to. Don't move the magnet, nothing changes.
On these magnetic wheels, the opposing forces are constant, like you said. Energy, change, will always need to be added to the system to drive the wheel.
It's a really fun project to play with and a good way to learn about how magnets work.
All of the "functioning" Perendev motors that I have seen functioning have three sets of rotor/stators that are slightly offset so that one is in neutral while one is pushing and one is pulling..The angles of the magnets are supposed to allow more push than pull, creating continuous rotation. I'd love to see you do an experiment with this. Thanks and good luck.
@@JF32304 Thanks. Ooooh. How mysterious and intriguing. 🙂 Have you built one? I downloaded plans quite some time ago. We bought a CNC mill and lathe to try some experiments, but the mill had motherboard issues and never functioned. Then, some family issues arose and we had to sell everything. My attention has been diverted since. It is still a passion of mine, but I don't have workshop space to dedicate to experimentation and production. Cheers.
You can get longer lasting spin with no magnets and a flywheel. Permanent magnetic cannot be used to make a motor by themselves, since a unipolar magnet cannot be created, electrical fields are typically used to create a mono-pole moment (even though an electromagnet is still a dipole.
According to Both GPT and Gemini if you were to use a superconductor for the outer magnets it will actually work (especially if you use magnetic bearings so there's no friction on the rotation). Of course today that also requires a lot more power to keep it cool as we don't have a room temp superconductor (yet) And the other thing would be to space the magnets out enough that it works more like a fly-wheel, so you would have more magnets on the outside frame than inner disk.
And of course would have to run it in a vacuum to mitigate other forms of energy loss.
So the concept would basically depend on 3 key things:
1. Gravity pulling a fly-wheel around.
2. Zero drag superconductors to "repel" the fly-wheel back up to the tipping point again where gravity will take over.. kind of like a roller-coaster I suppose.
3. Outer frame magnets sliding in and out of position to increase repel.
Momentum will help improve efficiency further.. And it seems we're not breaking any laws of physics as we aren't creating energy or destroying it etc. it's just transforming.
Anyway it's a fun thing to think about but totally based on fiction right now since we are missing a very important ingredient lol
I'm also still a little sceptical on the physics of this as in my own experiments from years ago, I realised there's a very close relationship between the voltage needed to electromagnetically repel something, and the power it will generate as gravity pulls it back down toward the earth...
That is a really good point, I appreciate the comment! I thought about using superconductors for awhile, maybe even just using superconducting tape if I can get my hands on it. I ordered mu metal and isolated brass magnets, the video will probably take 2 months to show everything. I was skeptical too until I started messing around with coils/ultrasonics and found weird stuff with voltages.
@@Tech_Planet nice keen to see where you go with this
With superconduction you could reach a construction which rotates almost perpetually but it would still not be able to deliver mechanical energy. Even the smallest load would stop it. Answers of AI are doubtful since they will depend on the questions. And AI doesn't know more than textbooks on physics. And textbooks on physics make it clear that a motor can not be driven by permanent magnets only, never mind if superconductors are used or not.
If a motor is to be moved by permanent magnets alone, then it must also be possible to build a motor based on falling stones. The ground and the stone also attract each other. But no one has ever succeeded in doing so. You have to lift the stone up again! In the same way, magnets that have been tightened must be released from each other with great force.
It’s actually quite satisfying to know that there is a limit to the physical laws. That whatever you do nothing unexpected will happen. When you define ‘this will not actually work’ it is almost as deceiving as stating ‘i think therefore i am’. Which starts with stating ‘I’ as an certainty, therefore giving a flawed logic statement. So by saying ‘this will not actually work’ i hope you are addressing the whole idea of perpetual motion. Not just this machine.
I agree!
I had an old friend, who has passed on, that made a magnet motor generator. He was a trained engineer for the United States Corps of Engineers. His design was based on negative energy for the bearings and propulsion. The magnets were electromagnetic so he had to ramp up the machine to start it. It worked like a rail gun or bullet train. The machine produced about three times the energy that used . When he started to get his patent, he was approached by General Electric. They offered to buy the machine. He rejected the offer. The next week he received a subpoena from General Electric and was told that they had already applied for the same thing. It stayed in court until his death. His wife died broke. General Electric got the contract for a lot of military work. His name was Shelby Palmer from Fulton,MS.
I think that a concept along these lines has potential for generating a small amount of power with minimal maintenance by the user. But it’s maddening how every video of one in action always features a cut just before the rotation gets going and it’s suddenly spinning at high speed and there’s a subtle whine that sounds suspiciously like an attached motor.
Yeah don't trust those videos. I'm building a second one with magnetic shielding, we will all see if it truly works or not.
Why do people keep trying to create a perpetuum mobile? It's literally impossible. Newtonian laws forbid it some run longer then others but without adding additional power it will come to a halt at some point.
Correct except "some run longer then others". No magnet motor has ever run, not even for one turn. They only run for some time if they are set in rotation by an external energy.
Great and honest - as opposed to so many others cheating... Thanks!
honest? it cant work that would be a perpetuum mobile and against physics
Try having the outer edge of the inner disk as a cog and the outer disk magnets on springs, As the inner disk spins the cog pushes the outer magnet away and then the spring returns it. My guess however is that the force needed to pushing away will be more than the rotational force induced by the magnets, but its worth a go.
But you need energy to push the magnets away against the force of the springs.
So extra energy is needed to compress the springs.
Use 3 rotors and 3 stators, but remember, that rotors shouldn't be placed in a row
And you should also use a Cooper pipe as a magnetic shield for each magnet
You can find a patent on web, with a instructions
If you listen you can hear it slowing down. If you watch it the pattern it initially makes changes as it is slowing down to a stop
So the main energy losses I can think of in the design are air resistance, bearing resistance and Eddy currents within the magnets, reducing these losses will let it spin for longer, although reducing these losses is also a challenge industries have dumped billions of dollars into optimizing
Doing it in a vacuum chamber would get rid of the eddy and air resistance. But would ad a layer of technical difficulty
If you could eliminate all resisting influences as friction, air resistance and Eddy currents this "motor" would run forever. But if you try to drive some load with it the "motor" would quickly come to a stop. Any wheel will spin forever in the absence of resisting influences, you don't need magnets for that!
I can give you a project what will work, but i have it only on paper and in my head. But it wil work better then what you have made. I got my idea when I was 15 years old, now I am 55. But i have never seen my in internet.
If you are done with this project, I'll buy the magnets from you! Didn't realize how expensive they were when ordering a kit lol :)
Ok, I will post it if I sell it for discount, I spend all my ad revenue on these things heh
Michael James Brady the inventor of this "perendev" model did a few years in prison... it's still pretty cool in a workshop, but not in the living room. :)
These magnets at their closest appear to be an inch apart, they'd work considerable better if closer, and may be the reason this doesn't work. We also have no way of knowing the polarity of these magnets, I feel it'd likely work better if magnets were repelling one another. I also think if attracting magnets were built into the support structure of the hub, there'd be a pull from the inside of the circle and a push from the outside, that little extra pull could make a big difference, also I's suggest that the wheel has significantly more mass and weight required to hold the magnets than needed. There's also considerable noise from the hub which indicates significant friction, I'd suggest that using a bicycle wheel with proper machining and bearings could make a large difference.
I have a polarity meter and made sure they are all opposing but the magnets need to be shielded because they are interfering with each other.
I don't have any background on engineering nor english is my first languege. I believe that to create a funcional lightsaber, regardless of type, you need a way to manipulate the shape and strength of a magnetic field, and a way of create plasma (hot or Cold), and miniaturize everything. the magnetic field would give the shape of the blade and the strength of the field need to be either variable so the energy can interact with the enviroment or need some form of "miracle" point that can secure the energy inside the field and allow the field to disperse for interaction with the enviroment. plasma has many forms there is grape plasma that apears in a microwave oven to atmosferic entry. from easy to hard i believe that cold plasma lightsaber are easier but i have no ideia on how destructive.
Try sterling engine with heat from sunlight or some hybrid like wind plus hydroelectric, thanks for your efforts, kudos 👍.
Good idea, maybe something like the magnetsphere?
@@Tech_Planet yes bro try it👍.
I thought of this magnetic motor design myself.But I have no shop or tools Thank you for making This as it was just stuck in my head for the last 16 years. Comment made by.🎉 Pendragon, mystery school.
hello, nice project! why don't you try to make the fixed magnets turn in a chained way to the wheel? like a crankshaft system connected to the camshaft, only in your case the wheel through a gear wheel rotates some external magnets in so that they continue to create thrust and move all together
The magnetic field exists in an Inertial frame of reference, it is the force that pulls-straight inwardly into infinity, having no angular acceleration and no angular de-acceleration. When we think in terms of adding energy to a spinning wheel, it's all about the force that pushes & bends and or the boundary producer. Perpetual motion can only exist in a inertial frame of reference being with respect to our size & time domain. Only the plugging force, (angular acceleration) keeps us from being sucked inwardly into infinity... Hence the term, boundary remover! Cool video, your work is greatly appreciated, thank you. 🙂
Nice setup! I think, with some changes, this really could work, but I have to test it myself first.😉
It's hilarious how 90% of the comments are people telling OP what changes need to be made in order to get this impossible machine to run.
I can’t believe it. Especially ones who claim they have one that does but…insert lame excuse involving oil conspiracy, government collusion. Lack of funds and so on.
wow so cool man! I have a suggestion, I know its a bit complex but what if the outer magnets can be adjusted in angle? perhaps there is a sweet spot? also get some magnetic viewing film so you can see what's going on.
Everyone writes these videos off because "free energy" isnt possible. Its not about free energy, its about increasing the efficiency of the input energy. What if we found a way to get a car up to speed and then using something like this to keep the car coasting longer than without it, the goal is to get as close to "forever" as possible.
I remember that there were a few rules that must be met in order for the device to work. The magnets on the wheel are too close to each other so their magnetic fields overlap. The distance between the magnets on the circumference of the circle should be at least 1.5 times the diameter of the magnet (preferably 2 times) and be at least 1.5 times greater than the distance between the magnets on the small circle and the large circle. The inclination angle of the magnets on both wheels should be 30 degrees. It looks like it's 45 and 60 degrees. change it and have fun.
Have you tried removing every other magnet to see if the interference would be reduced or eliminated?
That original motor had springs at the inner side from the magnets, they dont been complete static. It also had 3 wheels, where it seems, that the 2 other helped to overcome the sticky point.
But there been to less informations about the device itself to reproduce it.
I am trying to build variant 2 with mu metal, this will answer a lot of questions whether or not it really can work at all.
What will happen if you consider the resonant frequency of the magnets and increase the speed to that level?
Time the amount of time the rotor spins without the outer magnets, it will be the longest. It's just a flywheel:)
perhaps putting the gate magnet on a rocker arm driven by a cam on the motors shaft or maybe an electromagnet powered by a capacitor being charged by a stator?
I would consider running horizontally, so that gravity is only effecting friction in the presumed bearings.
Awesome 👍
Did you notice, it has also created an optical illusion 😊
Can it run forever? If not, then why?
For 15 years, I have been working with angular resonance and I am ready to do the electricity generation project together with investors who agree to make an official protocol. Everything will be done openly after the signatures are signed.
Hi James , No such thing is a perpetual magnet machine ! I been playing with magnets all my life as a kid ! Reasons is because the NORTH & SOUTH MAGNETIC FIELD CANCELLED OUT EACH OTHER IN THAT ROTATION !
IMPORTANT: Try this out. I once had seen a paper that had information on how to build a FREE ENERGY/MOTOR GENERATOR. The motor/generator once started would keep running and you would get Free Over Unity Electrical Energy .The person had used Permanent Magnets and Electro Magnets with High Voltage Capacitors. With electro magnets and capacitors you can have a controlled magnetic field that stops the moment the capacitor is drained of its energy. With an all permanent magnet system you need to physically move one of the magnets away from the other or you get a clogging effect where motion of the rotor stops. By using electro magnets and capacitors or super capacitors you can have a controlled intermittent magnetic field. You can control the magnetic field with by an optical switch or better still with a solid state Hall Effect Sensor Switch. The electro magnet can be used as a generator to recharge the capacitor. You may need a diode to ensure the capacitors get the proper charging polarity. By switching a magnetic field on and off you can stop the clogging effect therefore the rotor can keep on turning and keep gaining momentum. I
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The problem ive always had with magnets, were the magnets themselves. The field needs to be warped so the field can be controlled into a direction. I havent had a chance to try it, but ive been thinking since copper and aluminum can change the magnetic field, is using some sort of tube to narrow the magnetic field.
I built my magnetic perpetuum mobile using aluminium hands, which would move in between approaching magnets of equal polarity, waiting for the magnets to pass, and then pulling the aluminium hands out, by which means the repelling magnets would turn the wheel. As simple as that! Based on our physics' teacher's explanation, that "metals" shield off magnetic lines of force, I chose a non-magnetic metal like aluminum, which would not have to fight the attraction of either magnets, and would not require energy to be moved. Needless to say, it did't work: Aluminum does not influence the magnetic lines of force, and as a result, it cannot "cut" them or "shield off" magnetic forces. Lesson learned: When a physics teacher talks about "metals" in magnetism, he might as well be thinking of "ferro-magnetic metals" only.
second la of thermodynamics explains behavior in CLOSED SYSTEMS. A Symmetric OPEN system in my opinion can leverage a dynamic magnetic field in the magnetic gate the "sticky point"
Conservation of energy is mostly formulated for a closed system, but it is also valid for open systems. From the formulation for a closed system you can at once derive a formulation valid for open systems. Permanent magnets deliver forces but no energy. That's why a magnet motor is impossible. Think of all the different designs which have been tried. None of them moved even for one turn.
@@sciencefreak9070 think of "accidental scientific discovery's that are hard to reproduce at first. or Manhattan project when entire branch of physics was classified "TOP SECRET" so people wont have ludicrous amounts of dangers energy in their Garage, , i mean who knows, solar panels and wind power are open systems dependent of external potential energy reservoir, A symmetric systems sometimes reveal hidden "energy reservoirs" hopefully we could one day "harness the wheel works of nature" - Nikola Dear Nikola... like the Magnetospheres\CMEs\ solar Proton ejections etc... using Magnemic fields as a tap to that potential energy reservoir
you can also overcome sticky point in vgate designs with liquid cooled superconductor, i have heard from an inventor that he has tried it successfully using liquid cooled superconductor in the dead spot of an vgate design
this would work if the magnets on the outside were electromagnets as you could then control when they are active and when they are not kinda like a rail gun or particle accelerator and it would still be able to output more energy than you input as you only need them to activate for less than a fraction of a second although this would be happening constantly
Thank you for your honest video tutorials. I loved magnetism. Watching with full support from Canada 🇨🇦.
The magnetic coupling of pumps and motors.
The magnetic rotational motion direction or motor, must have both , like North pole and south pole., similarly magnetic attraction force as well as magnetic repelling force. It must be connected to a motor which keeps on rotating with the same energy power, generated by the rotating magnetic coupling.
How about if you make each magnet in their respective hole rotate freely. You may also need to change the placement of each magnet to minimize the tugging or stalling effects of the current configurations. In other words, in the new configuration, at any time or location, each magnet is either pushed or pulled in the same direction. There is no free energy that can be extracted from this type system. However, it can do some simple work within the limitations of the magnetic energy stored in the magnets. You may also add some coils in the feedback path to compensate the rotor slip caused by applied load.
Getting free energy from magnets is like trying to get free energy from rubber bouncy balls.
Um.... It's a motor... Not a generator. All you have to do is compound energy that is already there. And work them together.
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Love your dedication, if you can make energy next to nothing it is a good start and magnets could help as a lubricant and be one component of a bunch. I'm new, don't critique to hard.
Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal instead of vertical ? you would be reducing a little friction due to gravity pulling down on the bearings
Gravity will always pull down on it, you're just shifting the load from vertical along a couple of internal bearings to horizontal over more bearings.
Higher friction on vertical, less friction over a higher surface area horizontal. It will make a difference as to how the bearings wear but not a lot different related to frictional losses overall.
Guess the sound we hear is all resistance? Less sound smoother turn?
Yes, I believe so, it's really loud!
Great project. What if the outer magnets were on arms that were pushed away by cams our gears when the center wheel spins. In the same manner you pushed and pulled a magnet away to show how resistance prevented it from spinning continuously. Perhaps if timed properly there may be a better result.
this is cool. I wonder if there is a way to pressurize the system so the torque is sufficient to put load on it. perhaps a closed system of some sort ontop of the kinetic energy being produced by the magnets 🤔
2nd / 3rd law of thermodynamics
Plus the law force the govern our universe -kinetic energy.
If you don't apply kinetic energy to particles or magnetic fields from and external source you ALWAYS end up with a energy loss
Extremely strong Betteridge's law of headlines with this video.
I know this will be hard to build but you can do it yo! Please read. If you have the outside magnets each able to spin as the wheel spins the outer layers of magnets need to change polarity and can do so if you have a Rotary position for each outside magnet. If you make then spin they will push. If you build it it will work. You may have to use a double outer layer of rotating magnets to help spin around the outer magnets so you need to keep adding to match every possible aspect of wave form of pos and neg at every possible angle. If you build it you will be successful.
You have to couple this to help a wind generator spin more easily even with little wind.
Maybe its more ok to spin it in vacuum case to eliminate air resistance. love your idea bo.
A motor which is so weak that it can't even overcome air resistance is worthless.
Make individual magnetic circuits to guide the repulsive side of the magnets away from the next approaching rotor magnet. Think of it like a transformer core and how it works. It completes a magnetic circuit and the magnetic field at a positive value away from the core surface becomes extremely weak. Just something to think about.
You could put a arm offset a bit out from the middle and it would pull that other magnet back and forth as it went around ...
mu metals and a few other material types such as electronic magnetic repression and special paints, allow you to make “fake monopoles”, you can’t beak the laws of physics, magnetic induction and motion but you can neutralize them to some extent. You might also be able to use electrostatic forces instead of magnets.
I asked an LLM to summarize the basics of the technique.
electrostatic forces arise from electric charges, which can be considered as monopoles in the sense that an individual charge (either positive or negative) can exist independently. For instance, an isolated electron has a negative charge, and an isolated proton has a positive charge. The electrostatic force between two charges follows Coulomb's law, which states that the force is directly proportional to the product of the charges and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
So, while electric charges can be seen as monopoles in terms of their isolation, they differ fundamentally from the concept of a magnetic monopole. The similarity is that both electric charges and hypothetical magnetic monopoles exert forces that diminish with distance according to an inverse-square law.
Remember though you are limited by the max “ pressure “ insulators can hold back before there is a short.
electrostatic forces arise from electric charges, which can be considered as monopoles in the sense that an individual charge (either positive or negative) can exist independently. For instance, an isolated electron has a negative charge, and an isolated proton has a positive charge. The electrostatic force between two charges follows Coulomb's law, which states that the force is directly proportional to the product of the charges and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
So, while electric charges can be seen as monopoles in terms of their isolation, they differ fundamentally from the concept of a magnetic monopole. The similarity is that both electric charges and hypothetical magnetic monopoles exert forces that diminish with distance according to an inverse-square law.
I can dream of building an engine that tops off the electrostatic charge , and allows you to have a very efficient engine from algae power lol
High-Voltage Transmission Switching: Utilizes advanced methods to switch and control the flow of high-voltage electrical currents.
Superconducting Loop: A loop made of superconducting material, which can carry electrical current with zero resistance.
Simulated Multiple Windings: Achieved through a unique configuration or operation of the superconducting loop, giving an effect similar to having many windings in a traditional electromagnetic setup.
Slow Electron Propagation: Utilizing the relatively slow drift velocity of electrons in a conductor to affect the electromagnetic properties of the system.
Monopole-Like Magnetic Effects: Creating magnetic field configurations that mimic some aspects of theoretical magnetic monopoles, using the properties of superconductors and electromagnetic field manipulation.
Monopole magnets - if they would exist - would also not allow to build a magnet motor. After all, gravity is kind of monopole, but where is a gravity motor? Electrostatic forces are much weaker but also with them a motor can't be built. Electrical charges are - just as permanent magnets - not a source of energy, they only deliver forces.
Please check the magnetmotor shown by Muammer Yildiz in 2014 at the university of Delft in the Netherlands. The video can easily be found on CZcams.
Looks like it accelerates and magnifies whatever original motion is applied to it
Wouldn't it run longer if it was horizontal?
Adding electricity to the outer ring should make it a functioning motor, but it's still not free energy... although I think these kind of motors are extremely powerful if tuned properly.
I can try it, see what happens. I think it would run for a long time with coils/hall sensors but it would take awhile to build heh
You could make the unwanted magnetical interference less by shielding the magnets in copper pipes. Ever seen a magnet fall down a copper pipe.
I wish I had a 3D printer, make one more in the same disc shape using the V-gate pattern wrap around.
Try a spiral of similarly oriented magnets in the rotor with a full flat north and a full flat south on the there side of the rotor, because the locking of the north and south poles actually rotates at all times maybe the magnets oriented inward torward the center of the rotor will just get caught in the north south vortex and then rotate more like a tesla turbine than a pushing device, more like magnetic friction.
I had this very Idea when I was a kid.
Glad someone built it 👁️👃👁️🙏
If you add a pulley and belt you could hook it to a small generator or alternator and battery that would be the power source to run a bigger generator.
Great job. And thanks for your honesty, not like the others CZcamsrs fooling people.
У Вас на роторе магниты закреплены наглухо. А если их подпружинить, чтобы они двигались хотя бы на 2-3 миллиметра, то.... You have magnets fixed tightly on the rotor. And if you spring them so that they move at least 2-3 millimeters, then ....
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Always love these science gadgets, would it work like a fan?
I would leave only every sixth magnet on the rotor end. That way there would be much less interference. I doubt it would work, but it would be nice to try something like that and show in a next video.
Put each of the outer magnets on mini wheels and rotate so it performs the same pushing then gets out of the way and rotates around again and pushes again.
I can definitely come up with new designs and try it!
Just a thought, i see how you moved the magnet in and out to get a pulse effect like an electromagnet coud do, why not replicate that efect with either a cam in the centre moving the arms in and out at the right timing to skip the following magnets efect and dropping back in at the right time to have the repellent force applied at just the right time, alternatively it could be bumps on the outer of the wheel shunting individual magnets on sliders pushing the outer magnet away and towards the inner magnet etc... just a thought
i would perhaps use magnets facing up and the wheel part magnets facing opposite sides of it
If inital voltage was provided by pv and hall sensors in combination with an algorithm based current controller to maximize efficiency across all bands of performance
So you have to use the kinetic energy of the rotor to extract some energy that is used to move the magnets to always point them in the correct direction, of course the rotor must have enough mass to store enough inertial energy, don't you think so?
There was supposed to be an angle of 30 degrees to the tangent to the rotor circumference
it would help if you used prime numbers for the inner and out side magnets so that they an never be in-phase
The laws of thermodynamics can't be broken like the local traffic laws can :)
a magnet attracts then as it rotates a nub pushes the magnet away, it drops back down into place for the next attraction, etc etc
I built one in 2002. The energy loss to make the magnets is not made up by the machine because gauss in the magnets is lost in use. The magnets are basically a battery in this case...
Cześć, Czy myślałeś o tym, żeby na przykład wyizolować magnetycznie pola interferujące? Druga opcja jaką rozważam to dwa lub trzy rotory. pozdrawiam Cię serdecznie, mam nadzieję, że nie będziemy musieli stworzyć magnesów jednobiegunowych.
People should keep trying and stop discouraging efforts. Saying it's impossible is likely wrong. Like the wright brothers who were slandered as frauds while books were written on why man can never fly. The potential is greater than our arrogant nihilism.
polymagnet is a company that makes costume made magnetically printed solid state polymagnets that have unusual magnetic properties
Yes I have considered using polymagnets, maybe a hybrid model.
I seen one of these that a young man built and it kind of worked. But was finicky. It really couldn't drive a load and I think it used three sets of magnets instead of the sheet of magnets you used.
If you SHIELD ALLthe magnets in such a way that only ONE POLE is effectively being output, you create a MONOPOLE MOTOR which absolutely WILL WORK. The field strength DOES deteriorate after about two years BUT with big enough magnets made out of a CHEAPER but same EM field-strength ceramic permanent magnets, it would work for AT LEAST TWO YEARS giving you the ultimate power pack that SHOULD work up to about 2000 watts output continuous which is good enough for most household modern electrical generator tasks such as running 120V at 20 amp circuits (i.e. one or more devices at up to 2000 watts combined total on a continuous basis!)
If the COST is cheap enough for the magnets, buying a NEW magnetic power pack every two years make perfect sense on a cost-wise and practical basis for many household, campsite and worksite power-supply tasks!
This TYPE of motor NEEDS the magnets shielded enough to create a practical equivalent to a Magnetic Monopole where the positive or negative field is the ONLY one being output on a given side/pole!
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I have a thought have you tried using a cam on your shaft with a leaver that pushes a are out from the spinning magnets. Or a leaver that would push up a small piece of lead plate in between the magnets to block the magnetic filds
This guy just solved all of our energy needs!! Anyway, type 1 civilization when??
You should put plate magnets instead of those square. The secret is in magnetic flux geometry. Not all kind of shapes are suitable for magnetic motor.
Absolute no kind of magnet shapes is suitable for a magnetic motor. Permanent magnets alone can not drive a motor, never mind what shape they have. I always wonder about such advices. Do you have a running magnet motor with plate magnets? Of course you haven't.
What would happen if you put a spring in the connecting part of the outer circle that is not fully compressed and not fully expanded. Then you place the entire construction on strong springs that are attached to the floor or table. And then you start the magnetic motor. Would it spin for a long time? Ps. this design applies only a 2D magnetic force to the rotor region. It might be wise to create a prototype on the principle of a bicycle fender, where the rotor is surrounded by magnetic fields. Of course, springs would be used again so that the individual magnets in the outer circuit could move and thus create an oscillating magnetic field.
What ever you try, permanent magnets alone can't drive a motor. This is impossible to best asserted laws of physics. Just as you can't lift yourself off the ground by pulling at your shoe laces permanent magnets can't drive a motor.
Honestly I think propetual motion machines and free energy, similarly, are pretty silly. But if it is at all possible to make something close, It just may employ a technology with the ability to "borrow" it's energy from the future. The idea is Inspired by the tunneling theory, but translated to macroscale objects. We can speculate this similar to how some quantum experiments tested quantum entanglement on macroscale objects using quarts crystals doped with entangled photons if I remember correctly.
Yeah, Free Energy is silly. the issue that people gets stuck on is the energy source. Propetual machinces is defined by the requirement of needing outside energy to function. A Magnetic wheel like this only needs internal energy, which is not Propetual due to the fact that magnets has a shelf life of 500 years+. So the energy is not free, as it gets depleted over time.
I think they are onto something. I would think creating that wheel and using it in a glass hothouse with the energy from the sun and glass could make these magnets produce some type of energy.
I made something similar to this that works. I tried getting a patent on it. I was quite ignorant at the time about what it takes to really get a patent and tried going through three different "patent agencies". After losing $7,500 total, I gave up. I did file formal complaints on each agency with the FTC after each one screwed me. The first two were shut down by the FTC and the third lost a class action lawsuit filed by the FTC. I received only a small portion of my money back from the 3rd company, which is still in business. Finally, I paid a patent attorney for 30 minutes of his time just so he could explain what it really takes to try to get a patent. I should have done that first. Now I know 🧐. Note: it is NOT a free energy machine as it won't last forever. But, it does last for a LONG time 😉.
Do you mind posting a video? Obviously, nothing lasts "forever" (e.g. bolts rust over time and need to be replaced, etc.), but if its output power is greater than the power it takes to get it started - then you're on to something. I have been interested in this topic for decades and would be more than willing to help financially for absolutely nothing in return. It's just a passion project of mine. Thanks for the comment!
@@justlolatthisworld7917 @Just LOL At This World I basically gave up on it many years ago. I still have my notes hidden away. I've been thinking recently of making another small working model. I made one 20+ years ago that I mounted a small propeller on. I kept it running in a closet for several months until the cheap bearings gave out. I cannot afford to hire a patent attorney and everything else it will take to try to get it patented. And that's assuming I would get a patent. I quit looking, but over the years, I've come across other similar ideas that may have been patented. Thanks for the response.
@@justlolatthisworld7917 BTW, try putting more magnets in the outer ring than you have on the inner ring.