Father and Son Sidecar TT Inquest
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- Verdict of misadventure recorded for father and son TT competitors, in sidecar race 2, TT 2022.
Roger and Bradley Stockton died after a crash at Ago's Leap.
The coroner of inquests has recorded a verdict of misadventure following the deaths of two TT racers who died in a sidecar race last year.
Father and son duo Roger and Bradley Stockton, from Cheshire, were killed when their machine crashed near Ago’s Leap on 10 June.
Both men suffered multiple injuries and died at the scene, on Quarterbridge Road, following the incident in the second lap of the second sidecar race. - Sport
Thanks for the information. RIP to all the lost riders.
Thank you Valisk. Yes, R.I.P. to them all.
Thanks again for you're wisdom and updating us in a respectful way on such a sad situation 🙏
Thank you for your kind comment.
Nous ressentons tous une profonde tristesse. Pour ma part, cette tragédie me touche énormément. je me souviens de mes premières approches de la moto lorsque mon père m'emmenait avec lui sur ses BSA -BMW - LAVERDA ... Certes, nous n'étions pas à l'abri des chutes et cela s'est produit, mais mon père a toujours su écarter le vrai danger. Ses conseils m'ont beaucoup servi quand, à mon tour, j'ai commencé de piloter.
Nous avons tous été touchés par la tragédie du double side-car. Alors, tellement triste. Merci pour votre commentaire. Je suis heureux que vous ayez adopté le conseil de votre père. Bon vol, Claude. :)
I was one of the marshals just after the crash site, after refusing to be at Ago's given what happened on the Saturday. It was my first year as a marshal. Saw it all, I will never forget what happened, my thoughts are with the family, which live near to one of my work colleagues.
The marshalls make the TT happen, and I, too, have experienced some nasty scenes through high-speed accidents. I see you say you will forget what happened, but no one ever forgets such chaos and injuries.
Sounds to me Simone didn't do there job in technical checking shouldn't have happened
Spoke to CSM who coronas hearing, who watched onboard camera, fairing was loose at speed.
A tragedy for sure, especially after the death of Olivier Lavorel in the first race. I cannot accept for one minute that an experienced 'driver' like Roger Stockton would knowingly race a machine that he thought had serious issues with the streamlining, a tragic TT for the family of sidecar crews the world over. R.I.P.
It's hard to know if they had any warning that something was about to happen as they flew down Bray Hill on their last racing lap. I can understand fairings and streamlining flexing due to speed and wind force. One thing I failed to mention was the missing locking pin that secures part of the fairing to the framework. The question I would ask is, did it come out during the crash impact or at some point, maybe the bottom of Bray hill where the machines bottom out?
@@Manxmann That puts a completely different slant on things, if that pin failed causing the fairing to lift even slightly then it would potentially have a disastrous effect on the handling and steering capabilities of the outfit. Whatever the cause, it remains one of the worst accidents for many many years.
I am very sad for the Stockton's, and all the families of all those lost.
It is a terrible loss, more so when two are taken from the same family. So sad.
My heartfelt condolences to the families and all who knew them, may they rest in peace with their god.
Thank you. Your words are much appreciated.
Good job on the video.
Well presented video.
Are details of all TT inquests made available for public viewing?
All inquests are available in detail in local newspapers and lesser detail on radio news stations. Very often inquests take time and may be a matter of months to be complete and published.
I was at the Manx in '22 and viewed practice from very, very near where those crashes took place. When the roads were open I looked behind me on the way to the Grandstand at that very spot and noticed that every single car that went the same direction I was walking lifted their front right wheel at that exact spot. I'm no road engineer but that, to me , raised an eyebrow because it would be on the racing line going in the opposite direction. Perhaps this could be investigated by the powers that be? As regards the fairings deforming, that happens on a regular basis, ask anyone who races an RS 125 and they'll tell you. RIP to both crews, you are brave heroes in my eyes. 😢
Thank you for the interesting comment. We are all aware of the "spike" at Ago's leap and some improvements have been made in recent years to the surface and camber. However, with speeds increasing so much and this year seeing so many records smashed, even in the sidecars, there are many parts of the circuit where all wheels leave the ground. Thanfully this year there were no accidents at Ago's leap. And the shocking news of the Spanish rider killed at Alpine was due to a collision, which will be thoroughly investigated.
One always thinks that some good could come out of such tragic accidents. And perhaps the use of wind tunnels at various speeds and in a variety of positions would reveal design flaws or the combination of factors that could duplicate circumstances. It may assist in developing aerodynamic ground effects and the need to control defusion. It is all dangerous however and the TT exemplifies the human aspects of racing. Just good people doing their best with what they are able to amass. It was sad last year and my prayers for their families was an immediate response.
The machines are being constantly developed and going faster all the time as this year is showing with records being broken in all classes sidecars are different from solos as you can't walk into a dealer and buy one . They are all hand built. Every year rules are re written, should any issues justify it. Safety of competitors and spectators is paramount. There will always be danger in such a high speed motor sport. But we must respect all that take part as they live their dream doing what they love most.
Could you do some more of these type of videos ?,. i know it's morbid curiosity but i often wonder about the causes of some of these tragic incidents,.thanks,.
Hi Mike. I don't think it's morbid curiosity to want to know the cause of such incidents. Speculation and rumours are the biggest problem, mostly due to social media platforms. I will not release any information or answer questions until all investigations have been carried out along with details from an inquest. The most recent tragedy on the Isle of Man was at the Southern 100 where a rider and marshal died. Investigations continue still, three weeks after the incident. I will upload further when the investigations are complete and details of the injured are made public.
Its so sad RIP
All sidecars are ‘wobbling’ more or less up ago’s leap after bottom of bray Hill
That's true, but it's likely that, in this case, a locking pin securing the fairing to the framework failed and was never recovered.
Lessons to be learned for others but it is racing on a public road at end of the day. Would take a pounding these machines
Many have learned lessons from this tragedy, Stephen. Competitors, scrutineers, and organisers alike. More frequent checks have been put into place for this year's event. The machines take a huge pounding on the course, and it shows when some of the sidecar passengers show their bruises from that pounding too. Let's hope for a less tragic TT this year. Accidents will happen but let's hope they won't include life threatening injuries.
@@Manxmann exactly sad thing is only way to learn in life is mistakes. At the TT misakes come at heart breaking cost my frend we are all bikers and love it! Am hafe cripled at 35 and still ride its mental to some folk but to us it’s therpy. ad love to goto tt keep saying every year.
@@stephenwilliamson1491 You must plan a trip, Stephen. Even a weekend if you can. All the best, fella
@@Manxmann planning isn’t somthing a ever do but yeah must get it organised
This year?
The inquest, March this year, 2023.
A few yards of antiskid surface at agos wants putting down before the tt
From the bottom of Bray hill to Selborne Drive is perfectly aligned. I can't see an advantage in adding friction material to the surface at Ago's leap. The North West 200 has anti skid coatings on many of the manhole covers. We apply the same material to the iron work on the tt circuit.
Three years off, then multiple deaths? The IOM organisers should have invited all racers to come over a week earlier for an extra week of practice. There was always going to be extra pressure on all riders, extra emotion, anxiety and fears, simply due to the lack of racing.
Hi, Camo 69. 2020 and 2021 we had no TT, Southern 100, or Manx Grand Prix. 2022 saw 5 fatalities, 2 sidecar crews and 1 solo rider. Of course, that is 5 too many by any standard. But we know the Stockton outfit had mechanical issues rather than driver error that caused the accident. Many competitors do visit the Island prior to racing to re-acquaint themselves with the course and newcomers are always taken around the course at a controlled speed to learn and familiarise themselves with the thirty-seven and three-quarter miles of normal roads. To close roads for practice a week before racing would not be practical. The TT is a road circuit in use every day by the public and business people alike. In fact, the new TT format has had to consider the needs of people and businesses here by in effect shortening the event, which has not pleased everybody. Everyone, including competitors and fans, were very excited to return in 2022 and in reality, many new safety features had been added to reduce risk. 2005 was the deadliest year in TT history when 11 people died; three riders and one marshal died during the June race, and six riders and one course bystander died during the Manx Grand Prix in August/September 2005.
Due to all Irish road racing being canceled this year, many riders will arrive for the TT a little rusty,, but trust they will treat the course with the respect it deserves and the course will respect them.
Are you able to say what those mechanical issues were?
The mechanical issue was the failure of the fairing fixing pin, which either sheared or fell out, causing part of the fairing to become detached.
@@Manxmann Ok thanks.
When will the authorities BAN this event it’s a complete waste of human life all for people’s “entertainment”?
You are entitled to your opinion, but ask yourself if you enjoy and love competing in a sport, then someone said it's too dangerous and should be banned. How would you react? You might drive a car. Many motorists die each year. Should motor vehicles be banned? Sorry, but a TT ban will never happen while numbers of applications to compete grow year on year to join a sport they love.
cave divers die, road users die, climbers die. Ye the tt is way higher than those but it's motorsport. They don't go into it with forced hands. They all love it and would rather die riding than die at 85 with a low quality of life.
@@partickstar1135 Absolutely 💯 !
Let's ban every thing. More people loose their lives hiking in the Highlands in winter every year. Its the thin end of the wedge to ban the TT. People like you will then start on every other sport or recreation. Everest has had more deaths, so K2.
All riders that takes part in what is without a doubt the last great motor race are aware that of the risk involved!