He certainly runs rings around her. The only thing was wrong about was she asked him the silly virtue stupid question, are Maori were indigenous ? which of course they are not as they arrived by canoe a few hundred years ago. He should have put her in her place for asking that stupid question
@@barrylightfoot86 By definition, Maori are indigenous. Indigenous (of people): inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.
@@gregpember1680 800 years is nothing; Australian aborigines were there from something like 60,000 years ago. That's indigenous. Moreover, Maori over ran and contributed to virtual extinction of Moriori who arrived before Maori! Perhaps the last few part Moriori alive should make a human rights claim to the UN against Maori. Truth is a b.....
Why do modern interviewers get away with being so rude to their guests by constantly interrupting the answers to their questions when they have a new idea pop into their heads or are not getting the response they want.Well spoken Shane.
Well spoken very articulated, very knowledgeable and versed in both the maori and political realm,salutations to you bro!,love him or hate him, he is still..maori just like me.kiaora ehoa.
If I am born in New Zealand and a New Zealand citizen, explain to me why I'm not indigenous? If my English ancestry excludes me from being indigenous at what point did Haiyan ancestry not count. good effort Shane.
Maori arn't indigenous either bro they only arrived here in 1250ish Abel Tasman 1642 so you to white man can claim indigenous status as well.🇳🇿🤔A mere 400 years🙄
I have never understood why Maori leadership is not raising hell about the levels of immigration being endorsed and allowed. Every migrant that arrives takes resources from a Maori family as they are the most in need. Why are visitors allowed a visa to cross the border without medical insurance.
A New Zealand Constitution and Bill of Rights are needed desperately so that All New Zealanders are afforded Equal Rights, Responsibilitys and Opportunities. It doesn't matter if your Ancestors arrived on a Waka, A Sailing ship, A Steam ship or a plane.
Shane has a brilliant mind and a wonderful knowledge of history. He can make and debate points without the aggressive rhetoric and bias that many turn to in these discussions. He is a truly modern New Zealander of Maori and European who has the foresight, ethics and mana to lead NZ on a focused journey to a much better future. Thank you Shane.
Good stuff Shane I enjoy watching your fair and balanced approach,and putting Mirangi in her place.The sooner we consign the treaty to the dustbin of history the better.What the radical Maori must wake up to is the issue of mass migration,its no longer just about Maori and European the day is fast approaching that 3rd world style politics will arrive as seen in Britain.Interracial conflict and no go zones are an inevitable outcome multiculturalism will fail.Bang on Shane close the borders Now.🇳🇿👍
Shame both National and NZ First have said they wont support the Treaty Principles Bill passed 1st reading. None of us know what it says yet and it might be amazing.
A prudent position in a hostile environment, can you imagine how much more full support would wind the hyperbole further? At least the forum is being opened.
Yes true. It needs to be discussion to put an end to the reinterpretation of the original Treaty document to suit the piss weak narrative of tiny few radical bludgers
They recognize your rights as a New Zealander. They are quite simple and clear. See below: The New Zealand Government has the right to govern all New Zealanders The New Zealand Government will honour all New Zealanders in the chieftainship (Ownership and Control) of their land and all their property All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties
@@Sarah-ne6cv tribunal set up to look at treaty claims. One claim to go I think. After that, if not shut down, it will be an entity in search of meaning. That never ends well!
I can't understand what they are saying because they are speaking in two language's. Speak in English or Maori not both. Tokenization of the Maori language changes its true meaning and context. Kaupapa this.... Mana that.... What are you saying?
Ms Forbes was asking questions her people would have wanted her to ask and Mr Jones answered them well. The subject is complicated and somewhat divisive.
I agree - personally I have very little time for msm but I thought she asked very relevant questions that people are seeking clarification on. I think it was a good and respectful interview on both sides.
Fact # a few people arrived by canoe from Hawaii a few hundred years back. They are not indigenous like the Aborigine of Australia. It is also a fact the Moriori were here before being raped, pillaged and eaten by rampaging cannibals.
@@barrylightfoot86 Obviously there has to be a careful discussion about this issue so listening is important. Rimu, Totara and Matai are indigenous trees and Tui, Kaka and Kea are indigenous birds - they evolved here. However, humans clearly did not. But if you look at the Google dictionary, when it comes to people, it means people who were there/here before colonisation. This is some made up thing from the UN and its policy on indigenous people, so its bigger than us. I'll say nothing about the Moriori thing other that they were Taranaki youth. The treat was signed by iwi leaders and Waitangi Tribunal makes payments to iwi - what does that mean to the Maori community? I know a rural guy, who's septic tank crapped out - he had to get permission from the local iwi before he could fix it. It cost $500, but they didn't even check it, just gave permission. This sort of gravy train is costing the nation, but we have to listen.
@@erikpound5285 I've no idea but she clearly identifies as Maori, which is completely her right. I'm interested in the issue and not the individuals. Sorry if it upset you.
New Zealand, shouldn't we be using this time of talks on the treaty Principles Bill to inform ourselves about the bill & then talk about upgrading the treaty into a NZ constitution instead, NZ as covid showed us we need one so very badly to override government in cases like covid & their overreach.
A Man of Principles, Interlect and Integrity. Holding a Generation of Maori together, focusing on issues of future, and Right Now, Imigration. A Seriously Ignored Issue, which Maori will, if not focused on addressing the amount of immigrants pouring into into New Zealand, and Rasing the Treaty Issues, on Imagrants, and allowing Maori to Continually become a minority , weakening the Voice of Maori. I'm Not a Maori, but feel strongly about there Cause. Shane Jones is in a position to make a Positive Difference for All Future Maori.
Easyest thing to do become a republic no crown no agreement Talk to uk Its an old document even the magna carta is generally ignored theres only 4 sections that are still.law Tainui and there ilke have loads of money . But never flows down If maori wont imput join the party like the rest of thevpoulation
Nga mihi shane yes you are right about immigration coming thru the door taking employment from new zealanders not just maori but all new zealanders you are right about iwi generations are now on benefits in prisons and issues off health have become a a challenge for them …kia kaha koe at least you are trying to help maori and the stigma put there over one hundred fifty years plus and continuous governments off past wrong doing..
Why is he not the leader of NZ First? He's such a more thoughtful and insightful person than Winston could ever be, gave great answers all round to some difficult questions.
All this Maori language being interspersed among the English is not helpful for comprehension. I know a few Maori words, but it is getting out of hand. Are people who are not Kiwis and schooled in Maori, e.g Australians, just supposed to rush for a dictionary every time the latest Maori phrase is used. So conversations like this become all very "clubby" a Kiwi thing that outsiders just walk away from.
Nz is not like Australia and value the indigenous peoples or first peoples. I would suggest if you find yourself in situations where you are around alot of te reo then learn it. Or maybe instead of walking away fly away maybe to france where you'd probably need to learn to speak french or to china where you would need to learn to speak chinese. Also the Maori language is not interspersed, it was rejected years ago and Maori weren't allowed to speak their own language in their own country, it is slowly being restored and so it should, no ones asking you to take part, but maybe stand aside. Kia ora
Why do you two speak in pigeon English. It is impossible for me to understand what the hell you are talking about with the insertion of what I assume is some sort of new language that Maori people use. If you want to speak in a Maori language then do so but when speaking english do not insert words that are not accepted English words. It is like there are three languages in New Zealand now Maori, English and a mixture of both that nobody can understand. I turned you off
Shane Jones knows what he's talking about, this interviewer is creating divison, why is NZ always living in the past , why blame a system for your own life style habits , who's running the the country the government or Maori. All cultures should be living under one umbrella, NZ doesn't belong to Maori, We all own New Zealand no matter what race,
What the new government really want is Maori to think white as to be more Pakeha in your ways and to get educated and get into prominent jobs and get rid of humble thinking just get educated become professional workers like up the bar as Maori.
Peeni Henare sabre rattling what a disgraceful comment from the former defence minister.Under his watch our military declined even further from an already sorry state,who would actually fight in Peeni's militia you hav'nt got the firepower or numbers mate.The Patriots stand with New Zealand First.🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿👍✊
Why did Forbes change her name to a maori name? Reminds me of the Irishman, Stephen Gerard O'Regan changing his name to 'Tipene'. I suggest they have personal 'issues'.
Treaty ignored those that watched both boat people's arrive. It fails and divided as a consequence. Throw it in the shit house and start with the Bible again. Shane hasn't read the Bible.
Fed up with Maori blaming the government for everything,take a look at the way you live,you have the same rights as everyone else but are so suspicious of modern day practices,we are one people ditch the treaty we are a democracy.
The issue in all of this is the legal binding English Common Law that started with the British King in 1835 recognising the Sovereignity of the Maori Chiefs who signed the 1835 Declaration of Independence and Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840. What??? Break the laws of the land and be charged with treason and wear the title criminal? 😂
Great questions mihirangi, I think Shane is struggling to remember his purpose, values and match them to his actions. He sounds tired and this is what polititions are known for, follow the common way to gain more power. Maori have a history of having their power, voices weakened and this carries down, so i dont know why Shane is saying Maori should just go take power freely as if they are equal. Shanes position and actions are evidence of this weakness and he clearly takes the side that gives him power, proving when he sides with Maori as well he has no power. Hes lost his purpose and gained common power. Keep going Mihirangi
Yes that is true The Maori text came from Busby's draft. The so called English version is an invention based on James Freeman's rogue version and official english back translations of the 1860s
So? It said what the English Treaty said nothing more or less, everyone speaks English now and te Tiriti is being twisted to mean different absolute nonsense!!
Maori are 'tangata whenua' to this country who had the power to initiate and officially formalise on the 28th of October 1835, at the home of British Resident James Busby in Waitangi, 34 (with a further 24 chiefs being added) northern chiefs to sign He Wakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni (known in English as the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of New Zealand). The handwritten document consisting of four articles asserted that mana (authority) and sovereign power in New Zealand resided fully with Māori, and that foreigners would not be allowed to make laws. Te Whakaminenga, the Confederation of United Tribes, was to meet at Waitangi each autumn to frame laws, and in return for their protection of British subjects in their territory, they sought King William's protection against threats to their mana. They also thanked William IV (William Henry; 21 August 1765 - 20 June 1837) King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and of Hanover for acknowledging their flag.
In response to, '@poncholarpez6233's cheap shot remark.' Mihi a beautiful intelligent wahine Maori, is not a 'tart'-prostitute. Even if she was, she'd be in the 1% high class, elite, top tier of that business and way out of your league. Excellent questions Mihi with iron sharpening iron. Got to ❤ the diverse challenges of Te Ao Maori.
Not being rude but this stems from Joanne Forbes having children with Duncan GARNER to progress her career. It was well known that wokeness and Maori heritage was also a way forward on Social points to progress ones career too. We are all one now regardless on heritage, however mass immigration needs to stop!!!
An interesting interview! NZ is a similar size to the UK, but NZ's population is 5m while the UK's population is 68m. Immigrants typically add a lot of value to the countries in which they settle. They bring new intellectual and material wealth. They tend to be very hardworking. They tend to be grateful for the opportunity to live in a new country. So, why Shane is concerned about immigration is perplexing. Limiting immigration will stifle NZ's economic future, not improve it.
@@jackiebiggs7071 There should, of course, be a screening process for people applying to immigrate to NZ, although religion shouldn't be a disqualifying factor... Stats NZ's website lists the origin of the people moving to NZ with the largest being India (44,978), Philippines (34,268), China (16,408), Fiji (9,854), and South Africa (8,319).
@@neil3488 the state of Europe and Britain is a warning about who is suitable to live in a democratic secular society. The evidence is abundantly clear what happens when numbers increase dramatically. A certain group is no longer longer quiet and and not attracting attention instead threats and demands are made to change the fabric of our society. Just in the last 2 weeks a politician in Britain has resigned due to threats to his life from an ever increasing Islamic population which doesn't integrate and demand things be more 'Islamic' aka as sharia law which we know their views on gay people and women's rights.
Bang On Manahehkie Maori Speak Maori Manajekie Maoris From The Pacific Heard The Language Been Thier Seen And Heard It Myself From Like Shayne A Dalmacian Maori From Kataia
Shane Jones runs rings around everyone. It's rare to see someone be able to balance wit, assertiveness, and verbal eloquence like Jones can.
He certainly runs rings around her. The only thing was wrong about was she asked him the silly virtue stupid question, are Maori were indigenous ? which of course they are not as they arrived by canoe a few hundred years ago. He should have put her in her place for asking that stupid question
@@barrylightfoot86 By definition, Maori are indigenous.
Indigenous (of people): inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.
@@jame2433Maori indigenous? Go buy a dictionary muppet.
Over 800 years ago not 300 also
@@gregpember1680 800 years is nothing; Australian aborigines were there from something like 60,000 years ago. That's indigenous.
Moreover, Maori over ran and contributed to virtual extinction of Moriori who arrived before Maori! Perhaps the last few part Moriori alive should make a human rights claim to the UN against Maori.
Truth is a b.....
Shane made a fool of the white maori girl
Don't lower yourself.
So true , so funny 😂
@@stevenshaw5628what's so funny Stevens haw?
Why do modern interviewers get away with being so rude to their guests by constantly interrupting the answers to their questions when they have a new idea pop into their heads or are not getting the response they want.Well spoken Shane.
I agree I find her style very offensive and it’s clear she has a pro Maori agenda, as she refuses to look at the bigger picture.
Their preferred career option was stasi interragator but the market hasn't opened up yet in NZ.
It’s her. She’s had no respect. maybe because she’s a self loathing Celt pretending to be Maori.
Joanne is a narcissist, not a journalist.
Yes this is the problem with msm , 😢
Woke is in a state of continuous offence. Its like she was upset over every thing he said. She started with her offence and left the same way.
Wow, what a Legend, hat off to Shane.
Big respect to Shane!
Well spoken very articulated, very knowledgeable and versed in both the maori and political realm,salutations to you bro!,love him or hate him, he is still..maori just like me.kiaora ehoa.
Shane is a great speaker, so eloquent and a great sense of humour
The comment section of RNZ's post of this video were in favor of Shane Jones. So naturally RNZ went and disabled the comments.
If I am born in New Zealand and a New Zealand citizen, explain to me why I'm not indigenous? If my English ancestry excludes me from being indigenous at what point did Haiyan ancestry not count. good effort Shane.
Maori arn't indigenous either bro they only arrived here in 1250ish Abel Tasman 1642 so you to white man can claim indigenous status as well.🇳🇿🤔A mere 400 years🙄
@@JamesBarry-um8sugee your funny
Do your homework
Moriori are the Only Indigenous people from this country, simple as that.Look at the history books.
@@williamconnell6541 they are indigenous to the catham island
This has nothing to with what Seymour wants to do but great korero matua Shane
Mahinarangi has not been up to it with Shane Jones or David Seymore they both ran rings around her with hard facts!
The Treaty's "use by date" is up for renewal and or update.
It actually became null n void when the last signatory died
The mass immigration is a huge issue for NZ. We are a small country and should not be over run either by numbers or by people of different culture.
I have never understood why Maori leadership is not raising hell about the levels of immigration being endorsed and allowed. Every migrant that arrives takes resources from a Maori family as they are the most in need. Why are visitors allowed a visa to cross the border without medical insurance.
@@christopher8022 In addition, many of the new houses constructed by the government went to immigrants instead of maori.
I agree with that 💯 look after our own 1st
Mihi why are you embarrassed to be called by your real name Joanne Forbes 😳🤨🤔😵💫
Definitely like to see how lil miss mihi edits this. 😂😂
Definitely agree with keeping immigrants out and look after our own 1st
A New Zealand Constitution and Bill of Rights are needed desperately so that All New Zealanders are afforded Equal Rights, Responsibilitys and Opportunities.
It doesn't matter if your Ancestors arrived on a Waka, A Sailing ship, A Steam ship or a plane.
Maori are not indigenous. They came from China, Taiwan, Papua. No person is indigenous to NZ. Or are gourds indigenous?
😂😂😂😂
@@hinekoopiko
Shane has a brilliant mind and a wonderful knowledge of history. He can make and debate points without the aggressive rhetoric and bias that many turn to in these discussions. He is a truly modern New Zealander of Maori and European who has the foresight, ethics and mana to lead NZ on a focused journey to a much better future. Thank you Shane.
Good stuff Shane I enjoy watching your fair and balanced approach,and putting Mirangi in her place.The sooner we consign the treaty to the dustbin of history the better.What the radical Maori must wake up to is the issue of mass migration,its no longer just about Maori and European the day is fast approaching that 3rd world style politics will arrive as seen in Britain.Interracial conflict and no go zones are an inevitable outcome multiculturalism will fail.Bang on Shane close the borders Now.🇳🇿👍
Shame both National and NZ First have said they wont support the Treaty Principles Bill passed 1st reading. None of us know what it says yet and it might be amazing.
A prudent position in a hostile environment, can you imagine how much more full support would wind the hyperbole further? At least the forum is being opened.
Yes true. It needs to be discussion to put an end to the reinterpretation of the original Treaty document to suit the piss weak narrative of tiny few radical bludgers
They recognize your rights as a New Zealander. They are quite simple and clear. See below:
The New Zealand Government has the right to govern all New Zealanders
The New Zealand Government will honour all New Zealanders in the chieftainship (Ownership and Control) of their land and all their property
All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties
Winston wants to curb the Waitangi Tribunal power regardless.
@@Sarah-ne6cv tribunal set up to look at treaty claims. One claim to go I think. After that, if not shut down, it will be an entity in search of meaning. That never ends well!
How does Shane remember soo much, he is certainly informed and way ahead of those who might wish to challenge him.
She tried and I would say in an inflammatory way but Shane you are far more steady and knowledgeable well spoken
I can't understand what they are saying because they are speaking in two language's.
Speak in English or Maori not both.
Tokenization of the Maori language changes its true meaning and context.
Kaupapa this.... Mana that.... What are you saying?
Yes its cool or compulsory for news media to mix maori into English interviews
No one likes it!
Wats wrong with speaking bi lingual you need to get a grip
I for one am very grateful for this man.
Ms Forbes was asking questions her people would have wanted her to ask and Mr Jones answered them well. The subject is complicated and somewhat divisive.
I agree - personally I have very little time for msm but I thought she asked very relevant questions that people are seeking clarification on. I think it was a good and respectful interview on both sides.
Fact # a few people arrived by canoe from Hawaii a few hundred years back. They are not indigenous like the Aborigine of Australia. It is also a fact the Moriori were here before
being raped, pillaged and eaten by rampaging cannibals.
Her people? Who are you talking about-Maori or Whites? She's obviously both.
@@barrylightfoot86 Obviously there has to be a careful discussion about this issue so listening is important. Rimu, Totara and Matai are indigenous trees and Tui, Kaka and Kea are indigenous birds - they evolved here. However, humans clearly did not. But if you look at the Google dictionary, when it comes to people, it means people who were there/here before colonisation. This is some made up thing from the UN and its policy on indigenous people, so its bigger than us. I'll say nothing about the Moriori thing other that they were Taranaki youth. The treat was signed by iwi leaders and Waitangi Tribunal makes payments to iwi - what does that mean to the Maori community? I know a rural guy, who's septic tank crapped out - he had to get permission from the local iwi before he could fix it. It cost $500, but they didn't even check it, just gave permission. This sort of gravy train is costing the nation, but we have to listen.
@@erikpound5285 I've no idea but she clearly identifies as Maori, which is completely her right. I'm interested in the issue and not the individuals. Sorry if it upset you.
New Zealand, shouldn't we be using this time of talks on the treaty Principles Bill to inform ourselves about the bill & then talk about upgrading the treaty into a NZ constitution instead, NZ as covid showed us we need one so very badly to override government in cases like covid & their overreach.
A Man of Principles, Interlect and Integrity. Holding a Generation of Maori together, focusing on issues of future, and Right Now, Imigration. A Seriously Ignored Issue, which Maori will, if not focused on addressing the amount of immigrants pouring into into New Zealand, and Rasing the Treaty Issues, on Imagrants, and allowing Maori to Continually become a minority , weakening the Voice of Maori. I'm Not a Maori, but feel strongly about there Cause. Shane Jones is in a position to make a Positive Difference for All Future Maori.
‘Toughen up that’s the nature of politics’ lol 😂
"Joanne" FORBES. Be proud of the name your parents gave you!
That women makes me sick.
That woman has mana and her name is Mihirangi
Lady hater - it's woman but you used the plural like the incel you are.
@@rionnharford7954 Joanne Forbes is her name and if mana means being a one eyed racist she’s got plenty of it .
Maori can challenge the government through the ballot box
Yep you can but not with fake news
Easyest thing to do become a republic no crown no agreement
Talk to uk
Its an old document even the magna carta is generally ignored theres only 4 sections that are still.law
Tainui and there ilke have loads of money .
But never flows down
If maori wont imput join the party like the rest of thevpoulation
Nga mihi shane yes you are right about immigration coming thru the door taking employment from new zealanders not just maori but all new zealanders you are right about iwi generations are now on benefits in prisons and issues off health have become a a challenge for them …kia kaha koe at least you are trying to help maori and the stigma put there over one hundred fifty years plus and continuous governments off past wrong doing..
Why is he not the leader of NZ First? He's such a more thoughtful and insightful person than Winston could ever be, gave great answers all round to some difficult questions.
New Zealands Elizabeth Warren.
Kua moumou tō pango minita jones.
Good luck koro
All this Maori language being interspersed among the English is not helpful for comprehension. I know a few Maori words, but it is getting out of hand. Are people who are not Kiwis and schooled in Maori, e.g Australians, just supposed to rush for a dictionary every time the latest Maori phrase is used. So conversations like this become all very "clubby" a Kiwi thing that outsiders just walk away from.
Nz is not like Australia and value the indigenous peoples or first peoples. I would suggest if you find yourself in situations where you are around alot of te reo then learn it. Or maybe instead of walking away fly away maybe to france where you'd probably need to learn to speak french or to china where you would need to learn to speak chinese.
Also the Maori language is not interspersed, it was rejected years ago and Maori weren't allowed to speak their own language in their own country, it is slowly being restored and so it should, no ones asking you to take part, but maybe stand aside.
Kia ora
Why do you two speak in pigeon English.
It is impossible for me to understand what the hell you are talking about with the insertion of what I assume is some sort of new language that Maori people use.
If you want to speak in a Maori language then do so but when speaking english do not insert words that are not accepted English words.
It is like there are three languages in New Zealand now Maori, English and a mixture of both that nobody can understand.
I turned you off
Totally agree
Shane Jones knows what he's talking about, this interviewer is creating divison, why is NZ always living in the past , why blame a system for your own life style habits , who's running the the country the government or Maori. All cultures should be living under one umbrella, NZ doesn't belong to Maori, We all own New Zealand no matter what race,
Good hard koro
What the new government really want is Maori to think white as to be more Pakeha in your ways and to get educated and get into prominent jobs and get rid of humble thinking just get educated become professional workers like up the bar as Maori.
Isnt her name actually Joanne? Lol
Peeni Henare sabre rattling what a disgraceful comment from the former defence minister.Under his watch our military declined even further from an already sorry state,who would actually fight in Peeni's militia you hav'nt got the firepower or numbers mate.The Patriots stand with New Zealand First.🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿👍✊
Why did Forbes change her name to a maori name? Reminds me of the Irishman, Stephen Gerard O'Regan changing his name to 'Tipene'. I suggest they have personal 'issues'.
I find it difficult to follow the interviewer because she uses so many Maori words.
Hahaha came in thete 100s, where's there 10000 😂😂😂, thinks she maori because she speaks te reo 😂😂😂
What an embaresment of an interviewer
White women who thinks there maori 😂😂
But she is Maori and brought up in a Marae hence why she is fluent in Te Reo. Prior to been a broadcaster she was top up in coming golfer❤
Hope the funding cuts are landing on her woke nonsense
Having a seperate health system for Maori is racist
Stop immigration immediately NZ First, from Pouwaka Ruwhiu.
Well Shane it seems your political rhetoric certainly gets attention.
Forbes is mad
SHANE PLEAS USE ENGLISH WE UNDERATAND
Mixing Maori in with English makes it hard to understand what the hell they are talking about
Treaty ignored those that watched both boat people's arrive. It fails and divided as a consequence. Throw it in the shit house and start with the Bible again. Shane hasn't read the Bible.
JOANNE FORBES NOT MihingarangiI PROPAGANDIST
your been fishing with mr cameron, lies
Fed up with Maori blaming the government for everything,take a look at the way you live,you have the same rights as everyone else but are so suspicious of modern day practices,we are one people ditch the treaty we are a democracy.
Joanne is out of her death with Shane
Shes not a good presenter at all
Ah little Miss joanna forbes. One of NZ's biggest racists.
The issue in all of this is the legal binding English Common Law that started with the British King in 1835 recognising the Sovereignity of the Maori Chiefs who signed the 1835 Declaration of Independence and Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840. What???
Break the laws of the land and be charged with treason and wear the title criminal? 😂
Maori chiefs ceded sovereignty to the crown 100%. Full stop.
@@GaryPeters-nv8pjI'll give them a penny for zeal
Mihimoney money money
Not bacd considering Forbes has more european blood in her just a tereo activist trying to be Maori elliet
Great questions mihirangi, I think Shane is struggling to remember his purpose, values and match them to his actions. He sounds tired and this is what polititions are known for, follow the common way to gain more power.
Maori have a history of having their power, voices weakened and this carries down, so i dont know why Shane is saying Maori should just go take power freely as if they are equal.
Shanes position and actions are evidence of this weakness and he clearly takes the side that gives him power, proving when he sides with Maori as well he has no power.
Hes lost his purpose and gained common power.
Keep going Mihirangi
The Maori Chiefs in 1840 never signed the English written TRANSLATION of, The 1840 Treaty, they signed the Maori written 1840 Te Tiriti.
However, there "is" an English Draft that "produced" te tiriti. Did you know that??
Yes that is true
The Maori text came from Busby's draft.
The so called English version is an invention based on James Freeman's rogue version and official english back translations of the 1860s
So? It said what the English Treaty said nothing more or less, everyone speaks English now and te Tiriti is being twisted to mean different absolute nonsense!!
Maori are 'tangata whenua' to this country who had the power to initiate and officially formalise on the 28th of October 1835, at the home of British Resident James Busby in Waitangi, 34 (with a further 24 chiefs being added) northern chiefs to sign He Wakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni (known in English as the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of New Zealand).
The handwritten document consisting of four articles asserted that mana (authority) and sovereign power in New Zealand resided fully with Māori, and that foreigners would not be allowed to make laws. Te Whakaminenga, the Confederation of United Tribes, was to meet at Waitangi each autumn to frame laws, and in return for their protection of British subjects in their territory, they sought King William's protection against threats to their mana. They also thanked William IV (William Henry; 21 August 1765 - 20 June 1837) King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland and of Hanover for acknowledging their flag.
No. People in the land not of the land. We are all New Zealanders now. Get used to it
I am tangata whenua on my land thsnkyou it was sold!
In response to, '@poncholarpez6233's cheap shot remark.'
Mihi a beautiful intelligent wahine Maori, is not a 'tart'-prostitute. Even if she was, she'd be in the 1% high class, elite, top tier of that business and way out of your league.
Excellent questions Mihi with iron sharpening iron.
Got to ❤ the diverse challenges of Te Ao Maori.
She's a tart.
Not being rude but this stems from Joanne Forbes having children with Duncan GARNER to progress her career.
It was well known that wokeness and Maori heritage was also a way forward on Social points to progress ones career too.
We are all one now regardless on heritage, however mass immigration needs to stop!!!
Shane the problem is, immigrants arent the ones shitting on your own people? You and the rest of your mates are...💯💯💯 So dont blame immigrants 😊
An interesting interview! NZ is a similar size to the UK, but NZ's population is 5m while the UK's population is 68m. Immigrants typically add a lot of value to the countries in which they settle. They bring new intellectual and material wealth. They tend to be very hardworking. They tend to be grateful for the opportunity to live in a new country. So, why Shane is concerned about immigration is perplexing. Limiting immigration will stifle NZ's economic future, not improve it.
Uk has always been a very rich nation and still is. NZ is not rich. Immigrants like Australia more. Australia is rich.
Not what Brits are now experiencing as far as Islam is concerned.
@@jackiebiggs7071 There should, of course, be a screening process for people applying to immigrate to NZ, although religion shouldn't be a disqualifying factor... Stats NZ's website lists the origin of the people moving to NZ with the largest being India (44,978), Philippines (34,268), China (16,408), Fiji (9,854), and South Africa (8,319).
@jackiebiggs7071 you are right uk is being destroyed by infiltraters of the death cult lslam
@@neil3488 the state of Europe and Britain is a warning about who is suitable to live in a democratic secular society. The evidence is abundantly clear what happens when numbers increase dramatically. A certain group is no longer longer quiet and and not attracting attention instead threats and demands are made to change the fabric of our society. Just in the last 2 weeks a politician in Britain has resigned due to threats to his life from an ever increasing Islamic population which doesn't integrate and demand things be more 'Islamic' aka as sharia law which we know their views on gay people and women's rights.
Bang On Manahehkie Maori Speak Maori Manajekie Maoris From The Pacific Heard The Language Been Thier Seen And Heard It Myself From Like Shayne A Dalmacian Maori From Kataia
Its time for all tribes to unite and prepare for battle!