Johnny gets up from being passed out drunk, horse done wandered off with the last of the liquor, Ringo says " Phuk this ! " and pop goes the weasel. 🤷🏼♂️
I lived in tombstone for a little while. I've been to Johnny Ringo's grave. I talked to the locals that are well into there 80's. Buckskin Leslie was seen heading in the direction Johnny road in. It's totally against Johnny Ringo's character MO to commit suicide. He believed in himself strong minded. There was a lot of people after him. And he was found with cheap pistols not the ones that he owned. I believe Buckskin Leslie killed him.
I think like you do, a troubled man decides to close his book and say good night. Given his backstory - his history - sounds about right. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe so, BUT you then have to say that Ringo took a knife and cut a chunk of his own scalp and hair off and threw it away. Drunk or not that had to hurt. Sorry, but I think he was murdered. He was found passed out after trying to get his horse. As for hair being a trophy. It is possible. It is just he had a bunch of enemies.
And you’re greatly incorrect as well. Latin was taught in schools. Small children learned it. This may be lied about and even occult in certain circles but still a fact that’s easily proved. And he and Holiday insulted each other in the Latin verbiage. The very insults were recorded..can’t remember them rn but it’s factual.
I don't comment often but seriously the hotline talk really hit me hard. I lost my dad to it 11 years ago and he is the reason I listen to stuff like your content because I feel connected to him again. He would have love these videos. Seriously want to thank you for that. Have a good day my friend
@timmynormand8082 it was awesome! It was during Helldorado days in Tombstone over 15 years ago ....I also met Joanna Pacula ( big nose kate ) and Lyndon Ashby ( morgan earp from the Wyatt earp kevin costner movie) ....all 3 signed my gun belt
Yeah Josh, I agree Ringo took himself out. The way you explained the scenario makes sense and I've had a few of those days myself. Excellent story telling. Thank you.
Logically, if someone shoots themselves to commit suicide they will be hit by the force of the bullet and their hand holding the gun would loosen? It isn't beyond possibility Johnny Ringo was drunk, and therefore, his usual instincts and response times would've been severely compromised. The only flaw in my logic is, possibly, the fact that alcohol then was stronger and men as drunk as Ringo were used to it? But, if he were very drunk it would give a person or person(s) attacking him an advantage. Plus, as stated earlier in the video, Ringo said he didn't expect to live long? Was that because he KNEW already people were out to get him? OR, backing the suidicde angle, it was because HE was already thinking of killing himself? If he did? It could've, sadly, have been his drunk state making any depression worse. A lot of people who kill themselves are on drink and drugs. If they'd been sober they would had more resistance to their emotions? Either way he ended up dead. But, of course, this was at time when information took a while to get from one place/person to another. Which means, history record wise, we only have the picture of what happened from sources which are vunerable to falsifying or being changed. RIP Ringo.
In my over 50 yrs of reading anything I could get my grubby little fingers on. I came to a theoretical conclusion that Ringo suffered from Depression. All his personality traits lean that way and the majority of decisions he made reinforce my theory. Being drunk as shit and depressed suicide is quite logical to that person. So your belief is very plausible. After hearing this story, I agree. Very good work Josh.
I agree, suicide is the most likely cause of death for Johnny Ringo. I spent my fair share of years battling with PTSD and a number of years helping other veterans struggling with PTSD as a counselor. Even had some that I just could not seem to reach that cause me some hurt to this day and is why I no longer work in that field from what you've described, based on statements made from people who knew him suicide would definitely not be out of the question and since everyone who claimed otherwise has been outright proven to be incorrect with their own claims of killing him it leaves suicide as the most likely situation and I'd bet it played out about like you speculated. Johnny Ringo, still drunk, feeling tired of life kicking him in the balls, tired of never being rid of whatever was chasing him decided that there was only one way to end his problems once and for all.
Very well done. I am catching up on your channel. I was stationed at Ft Huachuca AZ. Spent some time in Tombstone and exploring the area. I went to Johnny's grave.
The latest theory I've read is the teamster shot and killed him. He knew Ringo from Texas and was on the opposite side of the Mason County War. When he came back the next day and saw he was still there he notified the neighboring rancher he had found the dead outlaw.
I think you nailed it on poor Johnny. Life is hard. Life was also extremely boring back in the day. When your friends are a bunch of thieves and trash it doesn’t help.
I absolutely loved this episode! I truly understand how it is to be a troubled young man. My parents died of homicide and suicide when I was in high school… so be being blessed with an athletic blood line, I only won four fights.. I became, somehow in my small town bigger than I really was.. I drinked alcohol over the years something awful. Self medication. I’ve often thought of the … yes… now after you explaining your version of Johnny Ringgold…. I get it! It makes sense! Will we ever know what really happened? No we won’t! Be you’ve brought some closure to what happened and it makes our head wants to be scratched more than ever! Freaking awesome! Absolutely love it what you’re doing brother!
I am distantly related to a man named John King Fisher aka King Fisher. He was a shootist and evidently really good with two 6 shooters at the same time. He was friendly with Doc Holiday and Bat Masterson. Unfortunately he was shot and killed in a gun fight at a hotel he and another guy was at. My father has letters that his grandmother had from family members who talked about him. The family evidently didn't want anything to do with him.
Just discovered this channel and it is amazing. Growing up watching westerns with my dad made me fall in love with the genre and true history behind the archetypes and legendary characters we still adore today. Great stuff man. Subscribed!
@archibaldchuzzlewit1848 I had never heard before that they were related. I have been looking online for confirmation and haven't yet found it. Can you lead me to a source that will confirm Ringo Starr and Johnny Ringo are related?
the correct phrase is "i will be your huckle bearer". a coffin was called a huckle". Holiday said he was help carry Ringo's coffin. He was saying he would survive any fight with Ringo
Unfortunately that story seems to just be a very widespread internet rumor. In fact, there is no written history showing that coffins or coffin handles were called huckles. Nor has anyone been able to locate any instance of the phrase “huckle bearer” being used prior to the movie Tombstone. In contrast, you can find some variation of “I’m your huckleberry” used many times in the 19th century. It’s in books, poems, advertisements, etc. it essentially means “I’m your man” or “I’m the right person for the job “.
Wow, great take on the mystery. Of course, none of us were there and the records are often full of fanciful embellishments, but this was a great take that makes sense. BTW, Doc may or may not have said, "I'm your Huckleberry," but it was a fairly common Southern expression at the time meaning "I'm your man," or "I'm the man for the job." Like so many expressions, it kind of doesn't make any sense to anyone who didn't grow up with it.
I have always found johnny ringo to be very Interesting. I recommend if you get the chance to go to his grave, it's a very beautiful spot right next to a stream. I personally would love to see a modern investigation into johnny's death, but I think it's likely he committed suicide. for the piece of scalp missing. It could also be because a 45 colt out of a 7 1/2 inch single action army point blank.. Would not be pretty. Fun fact the colt single action army that was found on him is SN 222. I came very close to buying it a few years ago at a action.
@WildWestExtravaganza I just looked it up. That is a really cool picture. To see billy breckenridge sitting there. I see it looks like there is Supposably a ghost face of ringo. Looks like camera glare to me. But I am no expert. I am not going to lie it would be so cool to own that property. Not many people can say the have a famous old west figure buried on there land. Also I just released a video on the 150th of the 1873. Could you please tell me what you think of it? I am trying to make my stuff better.
It absolutely cannot be doc Holliday he was 700 miles away. It absolutely could not be Wyatt Earp he was six hundred miles away and both of these are verifiable. It was either buckskin Frank Leslie or John Ringo about those are really the only two suspects. I know the movie list. Holiday in a stand-up gunfight but doc Holliday was 700 miles away and John Ringo was shot as he slept. He was passed out from all the liquor he had and buckskin Leslie who just a few years later would murder his live-in girlfriend saw a victim who he had argued with earlier. That is the most likely happening and he told a gourd after he murdered his live-in girlfriend that he come upon Johnny Ringo sleeping and he shot him and took a piece of his hair for souvenir. That's good enough for me especially since doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp are 100% out.. Johnny was the number one gun in tombstone all the contemporaries which are the ones that knew more than anyone of today all said he was best and it was well known that he was the best.
Any 14 year old who went to a Catholic school knows some church Latin which could account for the saying that he knew the language. Quite a simple deduction. (Church Latin is called so to differentiate it from ancient Latin such as Julius Caesar spoke hundreds of years before although it's essentially the same just like Shakespearian English is different but ...err, the same).
You're absolutely the best. I listen to you all the time at work. Your voice rings well, and your opinions on various matters are fantastic. I have even heard you apologize exceptionally well to someone on one of your episodes and was impressed. But you're including the suicide prevention number in this one makes me really. I love you, thank you very much for doing what you do.
I've been there... close and I mean so close I woke up wondering if I was still breathing. At the time I think I didn't pull the trigger because I knew where my next high was coming from and how to get it. If I live until December 23rd I'll have been clean and sober for 10yrs. I honestly can't tell you how that happened either. I think it has a lot to do with getting the nerve up to face the demons and either forgive whoever put them there or myself one. I'm not the type to claim to have all the answers... just the opposite actually but I am grateful for never pulling the trigger.
People who knew Ringo admitted that he was disposed to bouts of depression. However, the majority of the locals around Tombstone believed Buckskin Leslie killed him.
Awhile back I was walking around the town of lampasas Texas it is a really cool old town . Then I find out Johny Ringo lived there . Pretty cool I have been to Tombstone several times and walked around in the birdcage and ate at the Oriental.
I have a request. Could you do a Segment on Lucian Bonaparte Maxwell and the people he knew! This guy was New Mexico from the mid to the late 1800. My ancestral home state.
I agree with you, Josh. It was most likely suicide; with the teamster grabbing a souvenir being the best explanation for the haircut. I'm a believer in Occam's Razor: "The simplest explanation for any given situation or problem is probably correct." (paraphrased)
I've seen a few Johnny Ringo videos and yours is definitely the best. Good clear information, good balance sharing your opinion, GREAT se se of humor woven in with Huckleberry and Daisy references between he and Doc Holiday. 😂😂😂 Also nice touch on sharing suicide prevention hotline.
Great episode! I read pretty much the same. I think it was suicide. I also learned a couple things like being from Wayne County, IN which is where Ft. Wayne is. I lived there for a while and my grandfather on my mother’s side is from there, in my Grandfathers day Ft Wayne was very small and it was all mostly farm land.
I believe Fnak Leslie killed him. Several witnesses had Leslie shadowing him on the ride. Ringo left a kind of bed & breakfast at Soldier's Hole after drinking there with Leslie - and when Leslie found out he'd left, he rode out after him in a hurry. That was one day before his death.
I was deputy sheriff in 92. Just like in marines we initially given model 66 revolvers.i liked them.very heavy, 2 speed loaders with my eyes closed.and speed draw easy.
I hope you have a ton of social medias. Any platform you can push out your videos directing them to CZcams, man I’m sure you could get way more subscribers.
About Doc Holliday, I read that a descendant of his, who was an attorney, read through all of the court documents and suggests that he may not have actually been physically present in Colorado at the time of Ringo's death. Instead, the document verbiage at the time may have merely indicated that he was represented, probably by counsel. If that's the case, it reopens the possibility that Doc was still in AZ when Ringo died, thus lending credence to the assertion that he killed Ringo. Just food for thought.
I believe you did an excellent job of connecting the dots & covering the back story with all the other claims. I find all these stories interesting, being an old fart now history dose not seem that far away. My Great Grandfather married Ursula James, I noticed the shout out to Jesse. You look at today and think: Man it’s a crazy world. Thanks for doing good things…
Josh... I fucking love you!I know you're married to a very lucky lady! But seriously you're the best! I've been listening since bloody beaver days. You're the best story teller ever. I had no idea Johnny Ringo offed himself. But I agree it seems like that's exactly what happened. Keep up the excellent work!
Mason County is beautiful Still maintain a hunting lease in Mason County Go see it Llano River is fucking awesome. Ringo had too many enemies for me to guess but a good argument for suicide and he sound more like a mouthy drunk than a gunfighter
1600 big ones but split 4 ways plus 400.00 per gun per guest nothing extra for the 4 lease holders But one of the drawbacks is the deer are smallish even the bucks are not on the 'huge' size but are well feed from alot of peanut farms @@WildWestExtravaganza
Your theory of suicide is the most logical. As stated by witnesses, Ringo was drunk out of his mind, probably suffering from some sort of depression the alcohol just enhanced the effects of his illness and “saw no other way out”, also because of his violent past he could have been suffering from a form of PTSD.
I've heard idk in part maybe from you...gun play and 6 shooter shooting in general was not as common as u mignt think and gun deaths were much more common much like his father..accidents..we dont have crime seen photos who knows maybe it was a drunken accident.
it's interesting to hear this because is the movie tombstone doc calls ringo the deadliest pistolaire since wild bill and also says that ringo is an educated man just goes to show how hollywood embellishes in the movies.
Very interesting video as always Josh. Although the scene in Tombstone with Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo was cool, i still go with the suicide story. I can imagine seeing what happened to his father in front of him could have have had a lasting impact on his life. Was wondering if Johnny Ringo's buddy Curly Bill Brocious would make a good topic for a video?
I have no idea if this is true or not but somewhere I read Johnny Ringo's gun only had found rounds in it as is how you had to carry a gun safely. The reason for this is when the gun was un-cocked the firing pin would rest on the primer if the round was in the chamber and could go off if the gun got knocked around as could happen while riding or bumped. I read that was 5 rounds with an empty cylinder and none of the 5 rounds were fired. I would like to know if this is true, as I know it's hard to know what really happened that many years ago. I am just wondering what you think?
I really enjoyed our visit to tombstone. The little museum there is charming, and the townhouse, the world's largest rosebush. A yellow rose. I always enjoy cemeteries, but I don't know why we didn’t think of going to the cemetery there.
I think JR's suicide is a logical conclusion. Isn't it ironic that JR's body was found a year later to-the-day of Billy-the-Kid's murder -- July 14th!!
Another great episode! Thx! Your joke improv’s are hilarious! I sure get a chuckle out of ‘em!! Btw, great shout out to the suicide hotline. Inter-demons, the fight is real, no matter the circumstances.
I use a wheelchair love the movie I used fo tell people I'm Rolling until....years later I found out that meant i was high...I've since stopped using that line.
Great episode and agree that the simplest explanation (suicide) is the most likely. ALSO, special thank you for the shoutout for the suicide prevention hotline.
I have really be enjoying your programs. Looking forward to future episodes. Ideas: Jedediah Smith, Fr. Peter De Smet, You did Carson, now do John C. Frémont, François Leclerc, Ewing Young, or the Bents who ran Bent's Fort in Colorado.
The story I recieved in the late 1960s was that Jonny Ringo had been shot in the leg by a Mexican ranch hand as JR was stealing a horse out North East of Tombstone. He rode East to Turkey Creek Canyon. We discovered his grave in 1969. I suspect that he shot himself there.
I think that he slid his feet out of his boots to try and cool off a little. He fell out of his saddle in a drunken haze and his horse bolted leaving him on (bare) foot. After trying to better his situation and failing he finally said "F' it" and hit the reset button.
I think "Buckskin" killed him... Billy Claiborne narced him out after Buckskin mortally wounded him, and already left the scene. Then after going to prison for killing his girl, Buckskin also admitted to killing Ringo... The suicide doesn't make sense, because Ringo still had the bullets in his gun, and wasn't about to die of thirst, with water 200 yards away from where he died....
He killed himself plane and simple. Miles away from anywhere, no boots, drunk as shit, knew he would die in the desert before he found help. Whiskey maybe left but no water. No water in the desert is death. A slow agonizing death. So to sum up, he committed suicide.
I’ve had a continuous migraine for 10 years. I’ve tried to commit suicide 4 times. I’ve not seen what Johnny saw, but in a way, we do share pain. WWE is right, pick up a phone before you pick up gun. I can’t imagine what Johnny was thinking when he did do it. I do agree that he killed himself. Reality is much more gray, dull and cumbersome than movies, shows and books. I hope he found peace. Bad business.
It is my understanding that Doc Holiday told Ringo he would be his Huckle bearer since handles on coffins in those days were called Huckle’s not handles. A Huckle bearer carried your coffin today a Huckle bearer is called a Pallbearer.
Unfortunately that's just a very widely spread internet rumor with no basis in actual fact. Turns out that nobody has ever been able to locate a single written example of huckles being used to describe the handles of a casket or of pallbearers ever being called hucklebearers. In contrast, there are many examples from the 19th century of some variation of the phrase I'm your huckleberry being used exactly as Doc used it in Tombstone ie I'm the right man for the job. You can find this in advertisements, fiction, poems, etc from the time Doc Holliday was really alive. The whole "hucklebearer = pallbearer" thing didn't come into being until some time in the late 1990s or early 2000s. I'm not sure who first came up with it but it's definitely not true. That said, it DOES seem believable and some credible people have repeated it, giving it even more believability.
Like everyone else here, i have no evidence. But everything i have seen and read about Ringo makes me doubt the suicide theory. I don't know who, but man like him would make a LOT of enemies. Being pissed drunk makes you vulnerable. I think someone took advantage of that.
If the legend is a better story than the truth, go with the legend. Like you said, we'll probably never know the complete truth, and the legend is more fun.
I don't find it that hard to believe that a drunk guy, who we think might have been falling off a horse...could have somehow injured his head. Trees, the ground....pissed off his hair is falling into his face....could be any number of drunken injuries or maybe he cut it himself.....drunk people, suicidal people, and drunken suicidal people are not always in their right mind. I always think of that lonely Mafia reporter...forget his name....but his life passed him by....the mafia was no longer a big deal anymore, and he was no longer important...so he staged his own death in a way to make it look like he still mattered enough that the mafia put a hit on him. That is not just sad...but extra sad. For all we know Jonny. wanted to scalp himself before he ended his own life so he would be talked about after he was gone. No telling....we will probably never know 100% what happened.
One little known fact is that Ringo was a failed Elvis impersonator! He was a failure because nobody knew who Elvis was, since he hadn't been born yet. Another little know fact is that, before he was born, Elvis took great offense when people tried to impersonate him. My research has proven to me that an unborn Elvis shot and killed Ringo. When Elvis was born, and later became famous, he found it flattering to be impersonated. One of Elvis' greatest regrets was his pre-birth killing of Johnny Ringo. Elvis was embarrassed that he didn't foresee the honor Ringo was bestowing upon him so many years before others did so.
@@WildWestExtravaganza With all the research you did to find out about Ringo, I kinda figured you would know. Did you know that Elvis once worked as a Lawrence Welk impersonator?
What do you think? Who killed Ringo?
Johnny gets up from being passed out drunk, horse done wandered off with the last of the liquor, Ringo says " Phuk this ! " and pop goes the weasel. 🤷🏼♂️
@@richardlincoln8438 probably so
Why , Doc. Holliday. Didn't you see "Tombstone?. No but really , probably a Comanche.
His Spirit, more'n likely on 'the spirits' during low spirits.
Sleepy Joe did it. he old as hell, And he got to get that hair sniff in a few times a year. Come on man u know the thing. The umm ya nice socks. 🎉
I lived in tombstone for a little while. I've been to Johnny Ringo's grave. I talked to the locals that are well into there 80's. Buckskin Leslie was seen heading in the direction Johnny road in. It's totally against Johnny Ringo's character MO to commit suicide. He believed in himself strong minded. There was a lot of people after him. And he was found with cheap pistols not the ones that he owned. I believe Buckskin Leslie killed him.
Well hot damn, I lived there and worked as Doc Holliday in a couple shows in Town
@@TCAustin1881 that's cool bro
@@TCAustin1881 a lot of them shows are pretty cool without question the stuntman are extremely amazing
This is silly.
Val Kilmer killed Ringo.
I've got it on video!
I seen him be his huckleberry
I think like you do, a troubled man decides to close his book and say good night. Given his backstory - his history - sounds about right. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for listening
Ya but does not explain the hair being cut
Maybe so, BUT you then have to say that Ringo took a knife and cut a chunk of his own scalp and hair off and threw it away. Drunk or not that had to hurt.
Sorry, but I think he was murdered. He was found passed out after trying to get his horse.
As for hair being a trophy. It is possible. It is just he had a bunch of enemies.
What about Cooley? You said he wasn't above takin' scalps. Maybe he & Ringo had beef?
And you’re greatly incorrect as well. Latin was taught in schools. Small children learned it. This may be lied about and even occult in certain circles but still a fact that’s easily proved. And he and Holiday insulted each other in the Latin verbiage. The very insults were recorded..can’t remember them rn but it’s factual.
I don't comment often but seriously the hotline talk really hit me hard. I lost my dad to it 11 years ago and he is the reason I listen to stuff like your content because I feel connected to him again. He would have love these videos. Seriously want to thank you for that. Have a good day my friend
I’m sorry about your dad
@@WildWestExtravaganzadont be buddy just keep up the amazing content.
Michael Bien did an excellent job portraying Johnny Ringo.
Agreed
He was my fav
Absolutely! I actually met Michael Biehn in Tombstone years back....he signed my double rig gun belt and took a pic with me....nice guy
@@islandboy7432 awesome
@timmynormand8082 it was awesome! It was during Helldorado days in Tombstone over 15 years ago ....I also met Joanna Pacula ( big nose kate ) and Lyndon Ashby ( morgan earp from the Wyatt earp kevin costner movie) ....all 3 signed my gun belt
Yeah Josh, I agree Ringo took himself out. The way you explained the scenario makes sense and I've had a few of those days myself. Excellent story telling. Thank you.
Thanks Vince
Modern research has shown that it’s extremely rare for a suicide gunshot to the head to still have the pistol in hand.
Suspect.
Logically, if someone shoots themselves to commit suicide they will be hit by the force of the bullet and their hand holding the gun would loosen?
It isn't beyond possibility Johnny Ringo was drunk, and therefore, his usual instincts and response times would've been severely compromised. The only flaw in my logic is, possibly, the fact that alcohol then was stronger and men as drunk as Ringo were used to it?
But, if he were very drunk it would give a person or person(s) attacking him an advantage.
Plus, as stated earlier in the video, Ringo said he didn't expect to live long?
Was that because he KNEW already people were out to get him?
OR, backing the suidicde angle, it was because HE was already thinking of killing himself?
If he did? It could've, sadly, have been his drunk state making any depression worse.
A lot of people who kill themselves are on drink and drugs. If they'd been sober they would had more resistance to their emotions?
Either way he ended up dead. But, of course, this was at time when information took a while to get from one place/person to another. Which means, history record wise, we only have the picture of what happened from sources which are vunerable to falsifying or being changed.
RIP Ringo.
In my over 50 yrs of reading anything I could get my grubby little fingers on. I came to a theoretical conclusion that Ringo suffered from Depression. All his personality traits lean that way and the majority of decisions he made reinforce my theory. Being drunk as shit and depressed suicide is quite logical to that person. So your belief is very plausible. After hearing this story, I agree. Very good work Josh.
Thanks man
Excellent points well made Robert. 👍🏼👍🏼
I agree, suicide is the most likely cause of death for Johnny Ringo. I spent my fair share of years battling with PTSD and a number of years helping other veterans struggling with PTSD as a counselor. Even had some that I just could not seem to reach that cause me some hurt to this day and is why I no longer work in that field from what you've described, based on statements made from people who knew him suicide would definitely not be out of the question and since everyone who claimed otherwise has been outright proven to be incorrect with their own claims of killing him it leaves suicide as the most likely situation and I'd bet it played out about like you speculated. Johnny Ringo, still drunk, feeling tired of life kicking him in the balls, tired of never being rid of whatever was chasing him decided that there was only one way to end his problems once and for all.
Yeah, very unfortunate
Ringo run his mouth to the wrong person! When too drunk to do anything about it!!!
Respect for your service, and your rendering assistance to your fellow veterans.
@WildWestExtravaganza Droll Josh, droll, ..you crack me up mate!
You have the perfect voice for this ... and your humor quite often makes me laugh out loud...
Thanks James
Very well done. I am catching up on your channel. I was stationed at Ft Huachuca AZ. Spent some time in Tombstone and exploring the area. I went to Johnny's grave.
Very cool!
The latest theory I've read is the teamster shot and killed him. He knew Ringo from Texas and was on the opposite side of the Mason County War. When he came back the next day and saw he was still there he notified the neighboring rancher he had found the dead outlaw.
Mayhaps
I think Ringo probably committed suicide, but if someone did kill him, i think this teamster is the most likely killer
I think you nailed it on poor Johnny. Life is hard. Life was also extremely boring back in the day. When your friends are a bunch of thieves and trash it doesn’t help.
I've had a hangover or 2 that have made me consider ending it all.
I absolutely loved this episode! I truly understand how it is to be a troubled young man. My parents died of homicide and suicide when I was in high school… so be being blessed with an athletic blood line, I only won four fights.. I became, somehow in my small town bigger than I really was.. I drinked alcohol over the years something awful. Self medication. I’ve often thought of the … yes… now after you explaining your version of Johnny Ringgold…. I get it! It makes sense! Will we ever know what really happened? No we won’t! Be you’ve brought some closure to what happened and it makes our head wants to be scratched more than ever! Freaking awesome! Absolutely love it what you’re doing brother!
Thanks buddy!
My lord you're Ringo and Doc dialogue almost killed me, dude. 😂
I am distantly related to a man named John King Fisher aka King Fisher. He was a shootist and evidently really good with two 6 shooters at the same time. He was friendly with Doc Holiday and Bat Masterson. Unfortunately he was shot and killed in a gun fight at a hotel he and another guy was at. My father has letters that his grandmother had from family members who talked about him. The family evidently didn't want anything to do with him.
“But on his grave they can’t explain the tarnished star above the name of Ringo.”-Lorne Green
Just discovered this channel and it is amazing. Growing up watching westerns with my dad made me fall in love with the genre and true history behind the archetypes and legendary characters we still adore today. Great stuff man. Subscribed!
Welcome aboard! Thank you
Amazing to realize that Johnny Ringo was Ringo Starr's grandfather! History is always surprising.
Exactly
WAY COOL‼️
@archibaldchuzzlewit1848
I had never heard before that they were related. I have been looking online for confirmation and haven't yet found it. Can you lead me to a source that will confirm Ringo Starr and Johnny Ringo are related?
@@jimkonstI'm sure this is a joke
It’s a joke buddy
That conversation was perfect, you must have channeled the spirits of those two fellows!
the correct phrase is "i will be your huckle bearer". a coffin was called a huckle". Holiday said he was help carry Ringo's coffin. He was saying he would survive any fight with Ringo
Unfortunately that story seems to just be a very widespread internet rumor. In fact, there is no written history showing that coffins or coffin handles were called huckles. Nor has anyone been able to locate any instance of the phrase “huckle bearer” being used prior to the movie Tombstone.
In contrast, you can find some variation of “I’m your huckleberry” used many times in the 19th century. It’s in books, poems, advertisements, etc. it essentially means “I’m your man” or “I’m the right person for the job “.
Wow, great take on the mystery. Of course, none of us were there and the records are often full of fanciful embellishments, but this was a great take that makes sense. BTW, Doc may or may not have said, "I'm your Huckleberry," but it was a fairly common Southern expression at the time meaning "I'm your man," or "I'm the man for the job." Like so many expressions, it kind of doesn't make any sense to anyone who didn't grow up with it.
I have always found johnny ringo to be very Interesting. I recommend if you get the chance to go to his grave, it's a very beautiful spot right next to a stream. I personally would love to see a modern investigation into johnny's death, but I think it's likely he committed suicide. for the piece of scalp missing. It could also be because a 45 colt out of a 7 1/2 inch single action army point blank..
Would not be pretty. Fun fact the colt single action army that was found on him is SN 222. I came very close to buying it a few years ago at a action.
Have you seen the picture of Breckenridge at the site years later?
@WildWestExtravaganza I just looked it up. That is a really cool picture. To see billy breckenridge sitting there. I see it looks like there is Supposably a ghost face of ringo. Looks like camera glare to me. But I am no expert. I am not going to lie it would be so cool to own that property. Not many people can say the have a famous old west figure buried on there land. Also I just released a video on the 150th of the 1873. Could you please tell me what you think of it? I am trying to make my stuff better.
@@snappers_antique_firearms heck yeah, I'll watch it later tonight
It absolutely cannot be doc Holliday he was 700 miles away. It absolutely could not be Wyatt Earp he was six hundred miles away and both of these are verifiable. It was either buckskin Frank Leslie or John Ringo about those are really the only two suspects. I know the movie list. Holiday in a stand-up gunfight but doc Holliday was 700 miles away and John Ringo was shot as he slept. He was passed out from all the liquor he had and buckskin Leslie who just a few years later would murder his live-in girlfriend saw a victim who he had argued with earlier. That is the most likely happening and he told a gourd after he murdered his live-in girlfriend that he come upon Johnny Ringo sleeping and he shot him and took a piece of his hair for souvenir. That's good enough for me especially since doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp are 100% out.. Johnny was the number one gun in tombstone all the contemporaries which are the ones that knew more than anyone of today all said he was best and it was well known that he was the best.
You sure?
When I first found your channel, I thought I was listening to Danny McBride narrating the wild west. Kenny Powers, is that you?
Maybe!
Any 14 year old who went to a Catholic school knows some church Latin which could account for the saying that he knew the language. Quite a simple deduction.
(Church Latin is called so to differentiate it from ancient Latin such as Julius Caesar spoke hundreds of years before although it's essentially the same just like Shakespearian English is different but ...err, the same).
Did he ever say he knew latin though?
You're absolutely the best. I listen to you all the time at work. Your voice rings well, and your opinions on various matters are fantastic. I have even heard you apologize exceptionally well to someone on one of your episodes and was impressed. But you're including the suicide prevention number in this one makes me really. I love you, thank you very much for doing what you do.
Thank YOU!!!
Well said
Waylon Jennings and Josh have a voice that make angels jealous 😉
I've been there... close and I mean so close I woke up wondering if I was still breathing. At the time I think I didn't pull the trigger because I knew where my next high was coming from and how to get it.
If I live until December 23rd I'll have been clean and sober for 10yrs. I honestly can't tell you how that happened either. I think it has a lot to do with getting the nerve up to face the demons and either forgive whoever put them there or myself one. I'm not the type to claim to have all the answers... just the opposite actually but I am grateful for never pulling the trigger.
Cheers brother
Glad you're still here. 10 years is a huge accomplishment
Great show sir, I love your humor. Lots of PTSD and demons floating around in Ringo’s head. He probably took his own life.
Thanks for listening
Got to say. You really brought this story to life.
Many thanks
People who knew Ringo admitted that he was disposed to bouts of depression. However, the majority of the locals around Tombstone believed Buckskin Leslie killed him.
Suicide prevention shout-out was a brilliant call .
Awhile back I was walking around the town of lampasas Texas it is a really cool old town . Then I find out Johny Ringo lived there . Pretty cool I have been to Tombstone several times and walked around in the birdcage and ate at the Oriental.
Nice
I have a request. Could you do a Segment on Lucian Bonaparte Maxwell and the people he knew!
This guy was New Mexico from the mid to the late 1800.
My ancestral home state.
Man, if this channel would’ve hit in the 90s, you would have 10 million followers by now! Good job!
Thanks!!!
I love your work and snuck in another subscriber. Wish I could do more but in the meantime keep up the good work and good luck.
Much appreciated!
@@WildWestExtravaganza no problem man. It took a divorce and a table top game to get you that, hopefully future subscribers won't take so much 😉 .
Whew a bit late to the party here. Thanks for the upload!
Any time!
I agree with you, Josh. It was most likely suicide; with the teamster grabbing a souvenir being the best explanation for the haircut. I'm a believer in Occam's Razor: "The simplest explanation for any given situation or problem is probably correct." (paraphrased)
Yessir, me too
I've seen a few Johnny Ringo videos and yours is definitely the best. Good clear information, good balance sharing your opinion, GREAT se se of humor woven in with Huckleberry and Daisy references between he and Doc Holiday. 😂😂😂
Also nice touch on sharing suicide prevention hotline.
Hey thanks!
Spot on !! Ringo got up,horse and whiskey gone,raging hangover!!! “There but for the grace of God go I.”
I think your suicide theory is a pretty good 1! RIP Johnny 🪦
RIP
Hell... you earned a "like" just for the way you rolled those rrrrrr's saying extravaganza 😂 👍
A little later than usual, but he’s been dead 100 plus years so it’s moot. Getting here late myself.
I like to think we're right on time and everybody else was just early
@@WildWestExtravaganza drove all day looking for it, just got out of the gym, good way to unwind.
@@dannysimmons3167 might change it up and start releasing them around this time
@@WildWestExtravaganza we’ll be here listening.
I respect your commitment to yourself. I am now a patron
Much appreciated
Great episode! I read pretty much the same. I think it was suicide. I also learned a couple things like being from Wayne County, IN which is where Ft. Wayne is. I lived there for a while and my grandfather on my mother’s side is from there, in my Grandfathers day Ft Wayne was very small and it was all mostly farm land.
Sounds like not a bad place
I believe Fnak Leslie killed him. Several witnesses had Leslie shadowing him on the ride. Ringo left a kind of bed & breakfast at Soldier's Hole after drinking there with Leslie - and when Leslie found out he'd left, he rode out after him in a hurry. That was one day before his death.
I was deputy sheriff in 92. Just like in marines we initially given model 66 revolvers.i liked them.very heavy, 2 speed loaders with my eyes closed.and speed draw easy.
... but I thought Ringo was still alive, it's just Paul now? Another vampire no doubt...
Definitely
Thanks Extravaganza; "Johnyy Ringooooo" shouted by Doc is a staple of my childhood
"Why Johnny Ringo"
I hope you have a ton of social medias. Any platform you can push out your videos directing them to CZcams, man I’m sure you could get way more subscribers.
Everybody knows he was the deadliest pistolier since Wild Bill
About Doc Holliday, I read that a descendant of his, who was an attorney, read through all of the court documents and suggests that he may not have actually been physically present in Colorado at the time of Ringo's death. Instead, the document verbiage at the time may have merely indicated that he was represented, probably by counsel. If that's the case, it reopens the possibility that Doc was still in AZ when Ringo died, thus lending credence to the assertion that he killed Ringo. Just food for thought.
I believe you did an excellent job of connecting the dots & covering the back story with all the other claims. I find all these stories interesting, being an old fart now history dose not seem that far away. My Great Grandfather married Ursula James, I noticed the shout out to Jesse. You look at today and think: Man it’s a crazy world. Thanks for doing good things…
I appreciate it, Keith
I like to think that Doc or Wyatt smoked him but that's not the most likely.
i hear ya
He sure picked a beautiful place to get drunk and off himself.
Or Buckskin Frank picked a beautiful place, anyways.
First time listener, great, great video man!
Glad you enjoyed! Welcome aboard!
Josh... I fucking love you!I know you're married to a very lucky lady! But seriously you're the best! I've been listening since bloody beaver days. You're the best story teller ever. I had no idea Johnny Ringo offed himself. But I agree it seems like that's exactly what happened. Keep up the excellent work!
Ha thanks
Best explanation of Ringos demise I’ve heard..excellent narration..and conclusion
Thank you
Wow, thank you!
aghhhhh 🤏
Mason County is beautiful Still maintain a hunting lease in Mason County Go see it Llano River is fucking awesome. Ringo had too many enemies for me to guess but a good argument for suicide and he sound more like a mouthy drunk than a gunfighter
How much that least cost per year?
1600 big ones but split 4 ways plus 400.00 per gun per guest nothing extra for the 4 lease holders But one of the drawbacks is the deer are smallish even the bucks are not on the 'huge' size but are well feed from alot of peanut farms @@WildWestExtravaganza
That's not too bad though
Your theory of suicide is the most logical. As stated by witnesses, Ringo was drunk out of his mind, probably suffering from some sort of depression the alcohol just enhanced the effects of his illness and “saw no other way out”, also because of his violent past he could have been suffering from a form of PTSD.
I've heard idk in part maybe from you...gun play and 6 shooter shooting in general was not as common as u mignt think and gun deaths were much more common much like his father..accidents..we dont have crime seen photos who knows maybe it was a drunken accident.
Oh I'm sure accidents were very common
it's interesting to hear this because is the movie tombstone doc calls ringo the deadliest pistolaire since wild bill and also says that ringo is an educated man just goes to show how hollywood embellishes in the movies.
That's the movies for you
Ringo killed himself but EARP, pulled the trigger!
😂😂
Always look forward to an episode of 'The Wild West Extravanzaaaaa.'
As always, never disappointed.
Glad to hear it!
Buckskin " Why Johnny you look like someone just walked over your grave " .
Very interesting video as always Josh. Although the scene in Tombstone with Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo was cool, i still go with the suicide story. I can imagine seeing what happened to his father in front of him could have have had a lasting impact on his life. Was wondering if Johnny Ringo's buddy Curly Bill Brocious would make a good topic for a video?
Definitely wanna cover Curly Bill soon
I know it's just Hollywood but i love when Ringo said i was just messing around when I said that and doc said i wasn't.
Same
Great review 💯
I think you’re right. Ringo decided to bite the bullet.
Comes a time in life, some people just had enough.
I like what doc said in Tombstone.....that johnny was angry for being born
Love this show
Thank you
Thank you again for the great work.
My pleasure, Charlie
Like you work!! Enjoy all you content..
I appreciate it
I have no idea if this is true or not but somewhere I read Johnny Ringo's gun only had found rounds in it as is how you had to carry a gun safely. The reason for this is when the gun was un-cocked the firing pin would rest on the primer if the round was in the chamber and could go off if the gun got knocked around as could happen while riding or bumped. I read that was 5 rounds with an empty cylinder and none of the 5 rounds were fired. I would like to know if this is true, as I know it's hard to know what really happened that many years ago. I am just wondering what you think?
I really enjoyed our visit to tombstone. The little museum there is charming, and the townhouse, the world's largest rosebush. A yellow rose.
I always enjoy cemeteries, but I don't know why we didn’t think of going to the cemetery there.
Hope to visit one day
I think JR's suicide is a logical conclusion. Isn't it ironic that JR's body was found a year later to-the-day of Billy-the-Kid's murder -- July 14th!!
He wouldn't be the first alcoholic to kill themselves
true
💯% Agree
Another great episode! Thx!
Your joke improv’s are hilarious! I sure get a chuckle out of ‘em!! Btw, great shout out to the suicide hotline. Inter-demons, the fight is real, no matter the circumstances.
The fight is real
I use a wheelchair love the movie I used fo tell people I'm Rolling until....years later I found out that meant i was high...I've since stopped using that line.
Haha
I think you're right. Alcoholic stuck out in the Country with no horse or boots. Sounds like the last straw for a man on the brink.😢
Great episode and agree that the simplest explanation (suicide) is the most likely. ALSO, special thank you for the shoutout for the suicide prevention hotline.
"could he really speak Latin?" Lmfao I love this channel
Good stuff! Well done,that man! --Bob Bailey in Maine
Thanks Bob
I have really be enjoying your programs. Looking forward to future episodes. Ideas: Jedediah Smith, Fr. Peter De Smet, You did Carson, now do John C. Frémont, François Leclerc, Ewing Young, or the Bents who ran Bent's Fort in Colorado.
All great suggestions!
The story I recieved in the late 1960s was that Jonny Ringo had been shot in the leg by a Mexican ranch hand as JR was stealing a horse out North East of Tombstone. He rode East to Turkey Creek Canyon. We discovered his grave in 1969. I suspect that he shot himself there.
"I'll be your huckleberry" is like" hey mf, you want your pound of flesh, try me"
I think that he slid his feet out of his boots to try and cool off a little. He fell out of his saddle in a drunken haze and his horse bolted leaving him on (bare) foot. After trying to better his situation and failing he finally said "F' it" and hit the reset button.
Solid theory
Love this site! Good stuff.
Glad you enjoy it!
I think "Buckskin" killed him... Billy Claiborne narced him out after Buckskin mortally wounded him, and already left the scene. Then after going to prison for killing his girl, Buckskin also admitted to killing Ringo... The suicide doesn't make sense, because Ringo still had the bullets in his gun, and wasn't about to die of thirst, with water 200 yards away from where he died....
He killed himself plane and simple. Miles away from anywhere, no boots, drunk as shit, knew he would die in the desert before he found help. Whiskey maybe left but no water. No water in the desert is death. A slow agonizing death. So to sum up, he committed suicide.
The sad thing was there was a cabin or ranch extremely close
He was sitting right by a running stream
I’ve had a continuous migraine for 10 years. I’ve tried to commit suicide 4 times. I’ve not seen what Johnny saw, but in a way, we do share pain. WWE is right, pick up a phone before you pick up gun. I can’t imagine what Johnny was thinking when he did do it. I do agree that he killed himself. Reality is much more gray, dull and cumbersome than movies, shows and books. I hope he found peace. Bad business.
I’m glad you’re still with us
The alcoholism maybe just brought him to the boiling point. Many alcoholics reach their end of the rope and maybe he just didn’t want to live anymore
It is my understanding that Doc Holiday told Ringo he would be his Huckle bearer since handles on coffins in those days were called Huckle’s not handles. A Huckle bearer carried your coffin today a Huckle bearer is called a Pallbearer.
Unfortunately that's just a very widely spread internet rumor with no basis in actual fact. Turns out that nobody has ever been able to locate a single written example of huckles being used to describe the handles of a casket or of pallbearers ever being called hucklebearers.
In contrast, there are many examples from the 19th century of some variation of the phrase I'm your huckleberry being used exactly as Doc used it in Tombstone ie I'm the right man for the job. You can find this in advertisements, fiction, poems, etc from the time Doc Holliday was really alive.
The whole "hucklebearer = pallbearer" thing didn't come into being until some time in the late 1990s or early 2000s. I'm not sure who first came up with it but it's definitely not true. That said, it DOES seem believable and some credible people have repeated it, giving it even more believability.
Another great episode! Thanks for all you do!
Glad you enjoy it!
Like everyone else here, i have no evidence. But everything i have seen and read about Ringo makes me doubt the suicide theory. I don't know who, but man like him would make a LOT of enemies. Being pissed drunk makes you vulnerable. I think someone took advantage of that.
If the legend is a better story than the truth, go with the legend. Like you said, we'll probably never know the complete truth, and the legend is more fun.
Poor bastard. Imagine being a kid and seeing what he saw. Even by wild west standards it was some serious trauma.
For sure
I don't find it that hard to believe that a drunk guy, who we think might have been falling off a horse...could have somehow injured his head. Trees, the ground....pissed off his hair is falling into his face....could be any number of drunken injuries or maybe he cut it himself.....drunk people, suicidal people, and drunken suicidal people are not always in their right mind. I always think of that lonely Mafia reporter...forget his name....but his life passed him by....the mafia was no longer a big deal anymore, and he was no longer important...so he staged his own death in a way to make it look like he still mattered enough that the mafia put a hit on him. That is not just sad...but extra sad. For all we know Jonny. wanted to scalp himself before he ended his own life so he would be talked about after he was gone. No telling....we will probably never know 100% what happened.
The huckleberry is a sweet berry surrounded by long thorns and has been cleared from areas so cattle won't eat them.
One little known fact is that Ringo was a failed Elvis impersonator! He was a failure because nobody knew who Elvis was, since he hadn't been born yet. Another little know fact is that, before he was born, Elvis took great offense when people tried to impersonate him. My research has proven to me that an unborn Elvis shot and killed Ringo. When Elvis was born, and later became famous, he found it flattering to be impersonated. One of Elvis' greatest regrets was his pre-birth killing of Johnny Ringo. Elvis was embarrassed that he didn't foresee the honor Ringo was bestowing upon him so many years before others did so.
I knew it!
@@WildWestExtravaganza With all the research you did to find out about Ringo, I kinda figured you would know. Did you know that Elvis once worked as a Lawrence Welk impersonator?