Arnold FINALLY admits he was NOT the BEST at Mr. Olympia 1980
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr. Olympia 1980 controversy. Arnold vs Mike Mentzer Mr. Olympia 1980.
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Mentzer was the real champ
He still shouldn't have took it that serious. His bitterness consumed him.
@@sonyx4500 bodybuilders by nature are OCD. This could’ve happened to anybody it just happened to be in Menzer.
@@cvzanikos1 Other Bodybuilders took the loss way better.
@@sonyx4500 "his bitterness consumed him" you took that right off Tom Platz's youtube clips. You have no idea who Mike Mentzer was.
He struggled with many despairs in his life, from a dwindling psychiatry career to his mother dying before 1980 olympia, to his father dying in 85, to losing his job as editor of Workout magazine, to his use of amphetamines to deal with the weight that having an intellectually philosophical mind gives you. Read Peter McGough's short biography of Mike Mentzer to even get a glimpse of what his life was like.
He was not bitter that he lost the Mr. Olympia, he was angry because he devoted his life to the sport, made immense sacrifices for the sport, and contributed to the sport with love and passion unseen in most bodybuilders, yet other people's selfishness and greed trampled on him.
Don't base your knowledge off of 10 second clips. Unless, of course, you wanna be just like everyone else.
@@carnivorous_vegan He is not the only one who has lost relatives in his life. And the use of amphetamines was his own fault. He never got over the 80 Olympia. He was whining about it until his death.
Mentzer was robbed. Rest easy, champ.
Not really, huge mike fan here,
Mike himself said Arnold didn't deserve the win in 1980 but he didn't take away from the fact the 2nd position in the competition was better than mike,
The reason why mike left pro bodybuilding was because it was rigged, if he had lost UNDER FAIR CIRCUMSTANCES, Mike would've surely stayed and not bitterly left,
Everyone was robbed that year, but it affected mike the worst.
@@krisssHaHa True!
Why is Arnold worse than Mentzer?
If you can locate the suppressed photo of that day Mentzer was miles ahead of the pack,Arnold had all his close friends judging
You can see Kai’s reaction like “holy shit, Arnold’s talking about 1980”
The coffeezilla of bodybuilding, exposing IFBB scams
Slight Correction- Bill Pearl SHOULD have been the head judge in 1980 but decided not to be in charge at the last minute because he was training Dickerson for that show..
Head Judge was an old English guy, Oscar State-one of the 3 or so men that put together the ifbb criteria in the mid 70s
Bill Pearl told Arnold he personally had him in third, but that was an off the record thing
The panel that actually scored the show gave it to Arnold
There were 7 judges that actually scored the athletes in 1980
4 of them had Arnold in first, 2 had Dickerson in first and one had Dennis Tinnerino, who in the final sheets didnt even make the top 6...
The 3 judges that didnt have Arnold in first place overall, one had him 2nd, one had him 3rd and one had him in SIXTH place...
The point system of scoring was very flawed as judges could give the same score to multiple guys, and ties were possible between 2 guys..really a shambles
Also several of those 7 judges were personal friends of Arnold and truthfully, should not have been allowed to be judges for that competition, once Arnold entered it.
@@GeneticMasterpiece1 tbh what youre saying wasnt possible
first of all most judges and most pros are at least acquaintances...some of friends
this comes from the FACT that the vast majority of top judges usually own gyms and are local promoters especially at state level. So if a pro trains at that gym ofc he is gonna be close with the owner...
Another thing to consider is that Arnold entering was really a last minute thing( at least officially), so everyone, including the ifbb delegation that went to sydney was caught unawares...
you cant change the whole panel at the last minute, especially when you're in Australia of all places...the panel was likely established months in advance by the likes of wayne demillia and a few others
wayne demillia said on Valutainment that the ifbb didnt have that many Olympia level judges( when asked of this issue by Patrick, who was referring to Shawn Ray asking to rotate panels every year)...and this was in the 90s, in the 70s early 80s they likely had even fewer top grade judges ...
so the whole thing you suggested is impossible for a host of reasons
Arnold really shouldnt have been allowed to compete and that is the end of it
@@TheLusianPopa I agree, Arnold should not have been allowed to compete. But what I said is indeed true, Arnold was personal friends with several of those 7 judges. It goes beyond just being a gym owner and Arnold training there or something like that. If they wanted to allow Arnold to compete, then they should have changed the judges. It is well known in the industry that corrupt things happen. Ronnie Colmans wife is an IFBB judge and she judged in an Olympia he competed in (although she judged fairly). It's still a conflict of interests at the very least and should not be allowed.
@@GeneticMasterpiece1 well his entry was something most of the ifbb bigwigs didnt know about
so they couldnt have possibly known he was going to compete in the show, especially when he officially was going there to be a commentator of all things
@Lucien who are you kidding they knew he was going to compete, you can't tell me a group of ifbb judges were not in the "know" on this
Arnold the Certified Phony.
Once though. Just once in his career. Hardly a phony.
@@underwood9584 in 71 everybody except Arnold was disqualified due to competing in other federations' contests. In 72, Sergio came in very ripped and Arnold had a leg injury which didn't allow him to train properly for more than 2 weeks, yet again Joe Weider changed judges, room and lights in order to help Arnold which wasn't ahead of Sergio during the prejudging round, these are not my words, but It was said by Jarry Brainum and Serge Nubret, former bodybuilders of that era.
That's why he got into politics !
He knew how to do it then also. 🤣🤣
Mike was the champ. If I had a magical genie who could give me any physique in the world, I would choose Mike Mentzer. Period.
If size is so important why Franco won the next year? Mike was in a way better shape than Arnold that particular day
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines
Tom Platz was better competing against Franco that day, and he was bigger too.
We can have different points of views about Mike. However, according to experts who gave the points like the judges in 1980 should have done this Mike won. czcams.com/video/Q5VX0pEg4Hk/video.html
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines get over it mike won 1980 stop tryin to defend them.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Still better than Arnold back then - Fact.
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Everyone can be mistaken so i forgive you for believing judges that rigged a contest bcs Arnold was a "star".
No he didn’t deserved to win,he got away on some mandatory poses that he knew were weak,he was one of the promoters of the show,his carisma,fame and showmanship helped to win this.Mike Menzer was way better than him and everyone else.I saw the pics and comments on the Flex and Werther magazine when they came out right away
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines There he goes again! The cave dweller keeps repeating himself over and over again
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines they allow you to write a novel in comments but not everyone else can
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines And yours do? Yours are among the most repetitive, dull, fallacious posts ever seen on youtube. Have you seen a freaking psychiatrist yet? Go get checked up, right away. You're becoming worse and worse. Now you're pretending to be other people
@@Lousy-LooterDid that guys channel disappear?
@pointblank8216 are you asking about superset man or old Skool Bodybuilding? I don't know about old Skool he used to pop up all the time talking crap about Mentzer and anyone who supports him but I haven't noticed him lately and it looks like some of his comments have been deleted but I'm not sure why. I think he is working for Arnold or somehow sponsored by him.
I don’t recall any score cards every shared back in those days, I would probably be right if I suggested the judges just used regular pad of paper and conferred verbally regarding the placements. Overall I thinks it’s well documented Arnold was not the best bodybuilder on the stage that day but he certainly had the best chest and arms so it was really up to the judges on hand that day what they wanted to consider the best physique on the stage. The more sad result was the affect his winning had on the sport and some of the individuals competitors. Especially Mike M and Frank Z
Amen. I want to hear more of what this guy has to say!
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@@GangnamStyle33 Jesus! Mike is decimating Arnold here! The legs, the back, the abs, the serratus, everything else. More complete, better separations, proportions, etc; Wedlock Arnold sucks!
@@oldskoolbodybuildingroutin7178 Trash post. Full of shit and not true
For sure harry, you're exactly right
Does this not compromise the integrity of the judging system completely?
Arnold’s legs looked like toothpicks in 1980. Literally toothpicks lol it was hilarious
kai is not buying it LOL
Stop saying Mentzer should’ve won when he wasn’t even when he was in contention for the title to begin with…
First, think 10 times before you write something embarrassing...
You can't argue with the Mentzer worshippers.
isnt a judge telling him the score before its over against the rules?
The "late great" Tomn8er had a 1980 Mr O video with the scorecards in the video if I remember correctly. I think NSP also made a couple of videos about that tournament.
Are Judges not supposed to be neutral and impartial? In what sport does a judge or referee give advance information to players? It was a fix.
Uncrowned MR Olympia
Yeah he pulled off the judges
Wasn't there an argument between Arnold and Mike Mentzer? I recall Arnold made comments about Mike's stomach being fat. And I recall something about Arnold trying to change the rules. Arnold wanted to change the classes to two I recall.
Yeah 1980 was the first olympia with no weight classes which apparently upset arnold and was arguing with Boyer coe about it. By mentzers account he calmly asked arnold to share his reasons for wanting the weight classes and then Arnold replied with an insult about his stomach. Which then turned into a full blown argument and almost a fight
La barriga de mentzer si se veia en algunas poses
Ashame that they couldn't give Mike his flowers while he was alive
I remember reading another account that said he didn’t have a specific posing routine that year and just fed off the crowd with angles and poses. This contradicts that ..
The scorecards are widely available. If you read between the lines Arnold just said that the contest wasn't fixed.
This is exactly how Colombo won the next year. The scorecards are available too for all to see so if he’s being honest there was a path to victory…the issue is…who’s a better loser between him and Zane? Was his posing so good as to push Zane to 3rd?
dude Zane was injured that year
Yea Bill Pearl, the upstanding man who denied ever using PEDs
He did not admit that he was NOT the best. All he said was a judge who wasnt a judge said he was and he worked his ass off to correct it and got the ruling.
He was sneaked into the competition at Arnold’s behest. Screw job to the others. And he won. Like Franco later did by winning with crappy legs after his accident.
Arnold should of been a guest poser not a competitor.
Arnold should NEVER have won.
Mike Menzer
1980 Mr. Olympia
Arnold lifted body building up and disgraced it in 1980
The IFBB needed a boost and a spokesperson dedicated to the IFBB and Uncle Joe & Ben Weider. Mike Mentzer, and all the others were not it, Arnold was. Where did all the anger and disparities Mike Mentzer had after the show get him, misery and an early death. Arnold, a billionaire and one of most recognized humans in the world today!
Better die with honor than sucking balls
It was rigged and he knows it period mike menzer was the actual winner.
I believe the competition is won or lost in the pre-judging. The posing round is secondary. No amount of posing would have saved Arnold. Mike Mentzer won fair and square. Politics and favouritism ensured he would not. Mike's fifth place was as much a disgrace and insult as Arnold's first place.
Lucien Popa could tell you who to ask for the scorecard, he told me once.
No wonder your fellow competitors hated you!
Uuuhhh... Where in the video does Arnold admit he was not the best at the 1980 Olympia? Those words never came out of his mouth..... The video title should be changed entirely.
Frank Zane was no Arnold, Mentzer was good but his midsection was lackluster, Dickerson is the weakest looking Mr O ever and Tom Platz had an imbalanced physique. Arnold was the rightful winner of the 1980 Mr O.
I've rarely seen such a terrible analysis of a bodybuilding show ever, the Golden Era was the era of lean mass, basically the physique of Serge Nubret who was the best of this era imo, and Arnold was just completely disproportionnal. We can argue all day, but Mike was much, much, much more proportionnal and symmetrical than Arnie, and his poses were just majestic he was posing like a mythical figure. And it's without forgetting Zane and his amazing vacuum, the best vacuum of bodybuilding history, even if his triceps and his back lacked a little, the marvelous beauty of his lean and extremely balanced physique was what made him better than Arnold. Arnold said it himself, he didnt trained really hard for this Olympia and it is obvious that the #1 was rigged, i can't see any other winner than Mike or Zane for this Olympia, i mean just look at when Mike and Arnold were posing next to each other, Mike was soooo much more beautiful and well-built than the Arnold and his chicken-legs. So you are absolutely delu man.
Arnold pulled that out of his LOSS to Frank Zane Mr. Universe competition in Miami Florida. Frank Zane ahead in the prejudging and Arnold losing seven pounds before the evening show was enough to win but on the strength of the prejudging Zane won..Arnold never forgot that lesson but possibly Arnold did NOT close the gap but we will never know. Frank Zane losing to Arnold in that show smashed his third place trophy.
Judging by the footage Arnold does have a more developed physique
Arnold had him beat in every area except shoulder caps. Dude was more juiced than Arnold clearly as well
Chris DICKERSON Shd have WON
Big rammy can learn from this
Whatever the general consesus about 1980, I think Franco winning 1981 was far worse.....
Your right about Franco I think he was no better than 3rd place I can't decide between Platz or Padilla could of went either way But I think Arnold looked good enough to win
Mike mentzer looked way better than Arnold
At 80 percent of his best and knowing it was close he posed all day after the prejudging and came in tighter that evening and posed like the Champion he was and pulled it off. And when he posed the next day he filled out more and looked even better than he did in the whole contest.
Total Tard Deduction! Guess What? His posing was shitty & outdated! Mentzer was the winner! Screw your freedoms! I bet you fell for it...Didn't you?
Arnold and his 18-inch quads in 80. Flamingo Arnold!
arnold was coked up in 1980... turned up fried... the whole thing was a scam
reeeeeeeeeee
Joe wieder said he was on coke durring the 80
Don't tell us that juicehead, go to Mike mincer's grave and Apologize ❤
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate. Arnold deserved to win the olympiatin1980.
That's not playing the devil's advocate. That's playing the dumb and corrupt judge's advocate
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines A repeated, stupid post from a cave dweller
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines dude, you're in every Mike Mentzer vs Arnold video comment sections lmfao 😂
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines AHAHAHA I KNEW YOU'D REPLY
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines because lol, why do you hate Heavy duty?
Arnold cheated his way with the judges 👨⚖️ in his back pocket$$$. His legs wasn't even that well developed at all compared to all other bodybuilders! Arnold should've lost 1980 Mr Olympia!!!
The trick! Diuretics
70s arnold would mop the floor with mentzer. people keep dissing his 1980 version which was 30 lbs of muscke lighter than his peak at 73/74. also mentzer iverrated as hell. flat chest. first recorded case of bubble gut. back was lackluster.
What's the difference what size Arnold was in the 1970's? This was Mr Olympia 1980, and that given day Mike was way better than Arnold
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines Yeah for sure your opinion is more important than those of Roy Duval, Samir Bannout or Frank Zanes' one. They all claimed that Mike was one of the best candidates to win that day
@@oldskoolbodybuildingroutin7178 stop dickriding arnold this hard
Bullshit....we aren't talking about 73 and 74....and Mentzer looked amazing....he never had a bubble gut, he definitely should have won in 80,Arnold didn't deserve the win, I don't care how late he stayed up posing the night before, he looked bad and stole that one
@Old Skool Bodybuilding Routines the whole thing was a scam always was always will be, Mike was awesome, huge back massive pecs arms better than over rated arnold,small waist and no bubble gut, and an overall density that Arnold has never had, maybe your brain has deflated, but not Mike's pecs,the whole top 5 placings was a joke
No he did not!
Another lie Arnie... Dsnt suit a legend like u.
FOR ME HE WIN
Watch the posing routines. I am not saying there wasnt controversy or corruption. But when you watch the posing routines its lights out for mentzer. Boyer coe or chris dickerson and even danny padilla were better than mentzer. So mentzer should have won... nope. I think 5th was appropriate. Look at boyer coe! Look at dickerson. Both of them flatten mentzer. I dont think it was even close.
Mentzer wasn’t actually 5th. He tied Boyer for 4th. But by alphabetical order, he’s listed as 5th. Dickerson and Coe both looked amazing that day, so I think a legitimate top 3 would be those 3 in any order. All were supremely chiseled. Arnold and Zane were off their top condition. Zane was still shredded, but smaller than before due to an injury
The real champion won😮
MIKE MENTZER WAS ROBBED!! He deserved to Win!
You're right, he was, " turd ".
Of course he deserved it...he wasn't as big, muscular or shredded as he was in his prime...but still it must have been better than others for that day...I'd say he fairly won it...atmost with maybe a lil bit of support from the judges
exactly arnold was still so structurally superior and he didn't look bad compared with the others just his previous self lol
have you even seen the comparisons in 1980
@@morphmongal320 structure is not height. If you're talking about structure Mike mentzer had him beat by a mile
@@gloccry2184 structure insertions and size was enough to have mike beat imo
@Youknowmyflava Mike was nowhere near as wide and had a gut. "Small waist" 😂
Why anyone would sit with gay-for-pay for any reason is beyond me😅😅
I knew it was gonna be some more bullshit from arnold. so he won because he posed for couple of hours and lost water. I knew it was gonna be self praise. cmon just admit thet it was rigged or shut up about it. personaly I had few people in front of him and all of them could and should win
People say these things but the photos dont lie. Arnold was miles ahead of everyone except mike had better shoulder caps. But was also developing bubble guy before that was a thing. Mike's legs and arms weren't nearly as defined. I know people hate on arnold but aesthetically? Clear winner. Other guys were just too lazy to cut weight
@@mrthesandwich4965🙄🙄
For me is the best
He was still in great shape that year. Good definition with less size but very comparable to his competitors. Heck, he was still significantly bigger than frank zane
Frank Zane was tiny, Dickerson didn’t have biceps, Roger Walker didn’t have any symmetry, Mentzer had small chest and narrow, Boyer was ok but not the best. Arnold lost on legs, other than that, he looked good enough to win. Not 1971-74 condition, but good enough. I think people were booing because in 1975, he played a villain in a pumping iron and people remembered that movie.
How about Danny Padilla? He looked great!
@@Tallmark1 his height was his major problem. If I am not mistaken, he was 5’4.
I don't believe Arnold and his story one bit.
😈
It is a pro sport, with a lot of fabricated narratives. Controversy sells, not just in this case. Just look at all the armchair YT commenters seeding controversy after the recent Arnold Classic. The reality is that one has to be there, in person, to be entitled to an opinion. If you have ever attended a BB competition in person and compared that to pics and images later, you realize that.
Bullshit....everyone titled to their opinions
Mike mentzer was robbed.
Get over it people…Arnold had more charisma than all the others put together. Being a Mr Olympia has to be about presence and posing and that requires Charisma. As much as I like all the other contestants, that is the X factor you need to win. Arnold really did look excellent at that posing round and pulled it off. Accept it.
I cannot be the only one who think Arnold was superior that day menzer had more cut quads and better tris and that’s about it also abs even at Arnold’s worse stage performance he still looks better
ARNOLD WAS THE BEST IN 1980.
Supersetman = lying, Arnold never once admits he was not the best Mr. Olympia in 1980
lol
in my opinion , I still think Arnold won
He had the best lines. And his signature poses were fantastic.
Joe Weider and Bodybuilding Old School Forever. Without AAS there is no bodybuilding. This is true.
Arnie you seiked him out when you said ,( you lost because your belly was hanging out, milks for babies.🤭😂😭🤗
I still say that Arnolds posing and body was still very impressive though he looked slimmed down more I think he deserved to win the Olympia. Arnold Schwarzenegger still looked much better than Mentzer.
Arnold: "I wasn't at my best and still beat all of them. What does that tell you about how they looked?"
The losers were not too smart. They should have just admitted that the competition was tough rather than tell everyone they lost to someone who was in bad shape.....LMAO!!
An intelligent person would rather admit they lost to someone who was an awesome competitor rather than a loser. Losing to a loser makes them look like worse losers. baaaa...ha...ha...ha...haaaaa.
If you all believed that Menzer was the real champ.. he must be at the top 3, lol 😂
Günter Schlierkampf qualified 5th at the 2002 Mr O but 2 weeks later, without even training or extra juicing, He managed to beat Ronnie Coleman at the Show of Strenght contest by taking the first place award. Your argument is not valid.
Like he said to succed you must do everything to win
Menzer was puny in 1980.. his chest was flat.. he was small.. he looked like a boy
So why Franco won the next year? If it's all about the size
Arnold look deformed. Slope shoulders, small delts, no triceps (one of the reasons why he never showed them off during the mandatories), small forearms, mediocre ABS structure (two rows of ABS, nothing beneath but wrinkled skin), paper thin back, legs among the worst of all Mr. Olympia's next to Dumbo Columbo in 81. Legs that had absolutely no sweep, no inner thighs, no hamstring development whatsoever! He would turn to the side and his legs would disappear! Can't hide subpart leg development. It seen thru all poses. He was built like a human Q-tip. Mike weighed in at 225 lbs while Wedlock Arnold weighed at unimpressive 218lbs ! Pitiful! He was a mess here
Bruh arnold bribed the Judges and get mr Olympia , mike had aesthetic body than your dad ,
I know it is one of the most debatable Olympias but I think Arnold pulled it off the 81 Olympia is much more controversial with columbo winning over platz who was at his peak
mike was the best
All is possible. At the Olympia 2001, Jay Cutler was far ahead from Ronnie Coleman at the prejuging and in the evenoing he lost M.Olympia cause Ronnie came back strong and won. That's it! It's the same what happen with Arnold at 1980, he came back stronger and show his strong poit and won.
Anyway Bodybuilding is subjective sport. Dorian beat Nasser at the Olympia 1997. Cutler beat Victor at 2007. Samir Bannout beat Makkawi in 1983 and so on. Matter of opinions.
But robbing SRLY
Arnie and his pool stick legs! Lol! A laughable Olympian
Point Blank Schwarzenegger one Frank Zane zero.
Logically, if Mike Mentzer was indeed "robbed", he should have placed higher than only fifth. Arnold was admittedly not at his all-time best necessarily, but he was still good enough to win, and was still overall better than the other competitors. On the other hand, l completely agree that Franco Columbu had no business winning any Olympias, period. Tom Platz was clearly superior in every category compared to Franco, and Platz had probably the absolute best legs in the history of bodybuilding.
If your going to broadcast something in English, than for Christ's sake learn to speak the language
Arnold won. Get over it