The American Tank Meme
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*"Because when it ran into an ambush it didn't magically deflect the shells and throw them back at the enemies who fired them."*
I see you haven't played WarThunder.
Only the Sherman Jumbo. The normal Sherman will bounce so long as the enemy players a noob.
@@Optimaloptimus just have to angle
Optimaloptimus50 50 If the Sherman is moving even an experienced player may bounce shots on the Sherman. The mantlet has two layers and the hull is hella tough. Also moving in it isn’t a problem because of the stabilizer allowing the gun to get on target so fast (the stabilizer is probably far more effective than it was irl).
Hachi Roku Some people just shoot the angle. Those are noobs.
pokemon go The real life stabilizer was that effective. The problem was that no one was trained to use it.
The Sherman tank actually really struggled with killing tigers. That is because their transmission broke before the shermans could find them
they had us in the first half, not going to lie!
Nice one and true
"laughs in functional transmission"
Oof
Aw shit our transmission broke!
Well let’s just put the turret on a bunker and see how it goes.
Imagine dying in a fricking war, then 70 years later footage of your tank with your burning corpse in it is used in a dubstep remix, lmao
Imagine bringing dozens of crews home safely just to be called a death trap
Blattlaus dozens?
If you died during the 40s how would you see it later?
@@Aaronkbrown1125 Never said you see it, simply stated it happens.
@@lentlemenproductions770 no hate no hate. I just mean How though? Now i get it
I feel like the sherman is a classic example of the survivor bias.
We think they were death traps because people actually SURVIVED to tell the stories how their sherman burned up.
More people to complain about more tanks with the sheer number of those tanks out there.
The very fact those men survived is a testament to the Sherman itself.
Yeah sure Ameriboo, tell yourself what you need to...
@@bobbyjoe1111
1. Damn, you sound like a salty nationalist.
2. Survivor bias is a real thing. Look it up. His point was objective and perfectly plausible.
3. The fact that you accused this guy of being an "Ameriboo" just because he gave a plausible, statistical explanation for a perceived phenomenon makes it seem like you're the only one here obsessing over nationalities.
@@rysus if he was a true American he would be proud with how much we put into making tanks cheap but damn efficient, and also the fact that we survive the worst
The Ignorant Public: Sherman’s were death traps! So many of our men died!
American heavy bomber losses: *begins sweating profusely
The US Navy/Merchant Marine would be sweating the hardest.
They refused to implement new tactics at the beginning of the war which lead to staggering losses. Admiral King was basically forced to change by Roosevelt who had, had enough of his bullshit.
I mean nothing really beats the 7th Infantry Divisions 700% loss rate though. It's so staggeringly bad it's an achievement all it's own, though not one anyone should be proud of.
@@Bravo21Niner 700% loss rate lol
IIRC author of "Death Traps" never served on Shermans, saw them in battle, or even on deployment. Or any tank for that matter. His only contact with tanks was clearing wrecks before they're sent to scrapyard.
@@kireta21 cleaning out a wrecked tank might skew ones perspective of course...
"...being the right tank, for the wrong war."
*proceeds to upgrade the Sherman and was used extensively until the 1970's*
Well, once the Pattons started rolling off the assembly lines, the US started gifting Shermans to literally everyone.
To be fair... I think he means the vanilla version. The Firefly and whatever the israelis called their version was quite good apparently.
@@hannesbaumann8509 M4A1 Revalorisé
even in Korea the M4 found out the T34 was better lol... The only reason it was used so long was cuz it was ez to build at a low cost.. When do people start getting it?
@@drbomdaydayboms4890 With the 76mm gun and Hvap both tanks could easily kill each other at normal combat ranges. Except North Korean and Chinese tank crews were usually poorly trained compared to American tank crews.
Sherman: Mom I want to be a big, strong tank like Ferdinand over there!
Ferdinand over there: *Tries to go over a speedbump and explodes*
Sherman: You know what? As long as I have easily replaceable parts and better mechanical reliability, I'm happy.
@@hectorandres2921 AND a machine gun in the case of ol ferdi
*ThaTS mY FuCKiNg FEnDeR!!!*
Also whut about jumbo
You killed me. Unlike Ferdinands.
I love how the Sherman had a 3% crew death rate and is called a death trap, while the t-34 with a 15% crew survival rate is called a robust, reliable war winner.
One on western front with usa, Britain. The other is eastern front with USSR.
@@bloodysimile4893 Dude the theatre doesn’t really matter, a flaming 40 tonne wreck in Ukraine is the same as a flaming 40 tonne wreck in Southern France lol
Everyone needs to know this
Gross misrepresentation of data
I know i'm late but it would be interesting to know what crew survival rate of land lease Shermans was in Red Army. I think it would show real survivability of sherman in extreme conditions
“Johnny, we’ve driven all the way from Normandy to Rhineland and the tank didn’t break down!”
“Hans, we’ve driven all the way from production line to the front gate of factory und ze transmission did not break down!”
The NotFlat Earth
*Allied bombers flying over head*
"Comrade, weve driven off the production line to the gate and only 40 T-34s broke down"
I see you haven't the tragedy of Darth Panther the terrible
300 kilometers.....I wonder if someone got shot for that oopsy.
Comrade, in recognition of driving 1,000 kilometer, you are rewarded with brand new soviet tank! Just as uncomfortable as last one, but with sh*tier wields!
“The U.S economy was so big that it could sick their economy on their economy to fix their economy”
*Roosevelt intensifies*
what does this even mean like I don't get it
**Laughs in bass boosted**
@@theplanetmercury7487 When Roosevelt was elected president, he started pumping government funds into the economy like crazy, which was a stark contrast from Hoover's "it'll fix itself eventually" approach that wasn't well received by the public.
@@theplanetmercury7487
Basically that the US leveraged their manufacturing infrastructure to pull itself out of the Great Depression, which allowed them to supply the Allies, which fed back into pulling up the economy even more.
... Or I think that's what it means. If someone who's studied the US economy during this period in depth could contribute to this discussion, I'd appreciate it.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher ehhhh sort of. The New Deal was unable to prevent a major recession in 1937 that caused Republican gains in Congress in the 1938 election. The New Deal was blunted after that. Even Keynes thought that the New Deal was fairly ineffective. "It is, it seems, politically impossible for a capitalistic democracy to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to make the grand experiments which would prove my case - except in war conditions."
Only war production in 1941 brought the Depression to a close.
*Tiger gets knocked out*
German crew: We're infantry now
*Sherman gets knocked out*
American crew 1 day later: Attempt 2.
EDIT: Thanks for the 2K likes. Didn't expect it
America: *laughs in machine guns * oh you’ve become infantry, now you’re bullet sponges
*ABSORB THE BULLETS*
@@whatisausername99 ABSORB THE BULLETS
@@FnLl523 ABSORB THE BULLETS
@@Julianna.Domina ABSORB THE BULLETS
The M4 "Deathtrap" also had the highest crew survival rate of any tank in the war.
2nd actually, highest belongs to the Churchill
@@frenchsoldier8485
That's understandable, considering the Churchill's heavy armor
@@unnoticed4571 And the fact that the crew didn't have to leave the tank for tea
@@frenchsoldier8485
That too.
Convenience at its finest
@@unnoticed4571 Quite
"Because when it ran into an ambush it didn't magically deflect the shells and throw them back at the enemies who fired them."
Wait an secs, that's not how it happened in Fury!
Haha!!
Aint that minecraft with ghast?
That sounds to stupid, did people actually think such things?
@@alejandroelluxray5298 yes, people (especially those that didn't researched into the shit) have that mindset
@@fulcrum2951 Holy crap, what a bunch of balloney
The real meme about US R&D is the designation system system.
"A soldier armed with an M3, is riding on the back of an M3 which is being escorted by an M3 while an M3 is scouting ahead of the column"
M3.........
-ception?
Grease gun, Half-track, Lee, Stuart.
Gotta love it.
Dont forget the M3 fighting knife
God i hate american designations so much, M4>M26>M46(47?)>M60>>>>M1
You hate the American designations? Then try the Japanese system!
Don’t like your type 97 AT? Its old and outdated, being from the 30s? Then get the brand new Type 1!
What's better than 1000 broken down tanks of 50 different designs?
20 000 working tanks of one design.
That's the funny thing about American engineering and equipment, If we replace something we'll make at least 900 versions of it until at least 30-50 years later where we replace it and do the same. Unless it's aircraft, aircraft by American lifespan is 20-50 year's because apparently we don't like making something new or we do and then call it a failure and cancel it or actually use It.
@@CTInaBanana I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Well, if there are 3k tanks damaged and 2k dead yet meaty tanks, cannibalize parts from the 2k dead to repair the 3k, amirite?
@@dd-579fletcherwillyd.9 Reduce, reuse, recycle And Repair I guess?
@@CTInaBanana the American system.... it replaces thing when they "60% more effective than the existing one". And that's only after RIGOROUS tests. Here in Australia, we replace it with something someone else designed after our stuff is 35 years old. We replace civil infrastructure far faster than the USA does. You'll see when you see our bridges. NOTHING in the civilian world gets as old as the US would let it get, before it's smashed and replaced with a new one.
Sherman: 3% mortality rate.
People: Death trap
Sherman: What else do you want from me?
You just typed 3% survival rate either you just used wrong word kinda cuse mortality is state of beeing alive but not immortal i think? Idk maybe im in shit
@@CryptoBob13 mortality is being a subject of death.
@@AuGrrr oh okay thanks fot answer!
I mean I guess the qualifier is "Death trap if you see certain types of combat" which probably came about because when shermans actually entered the war Germany hat shittons of guns that could frontally penetrate the sherman, so if you happened upon any of those you were just kinda dead. Also that might contribute to the "zippo" meme because while American tanks deployed with plain armor piercing ammo that wouldn't produce enough heat for a cookoff normally, German guns at the time basically all at least had APHE available where the HE part would be far more likely to cause a cookoff. Especially since the Sherman frontal armor generally didn't require APCBC to penetrate with both the the 8.8 AT and tank gun.
@@imatreebelieveme6094 even then it was a 3% mortality rate because they used it in an effective manner. Tactics are just as important as your equipment. If you have an rpg or any vehicle destroying device you are not going to be sent to combat troops you are gonna fight vehicles
*TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF THE US ECONOMY, I STARTED A WORLDWIDE ECONOMIC CRISIS, AND FIXED IT WITH THE US ECONOMY*
oh yeah and War Thunder is removing the Maus send help
*I SAWED THIS DOW IN HALF*
No way they will remove the maus
Dont panic, if you have it or u are researching it you get to keep it
Ah yes, the Gayjoob big think.
_If you don't know how to balance it, just remove it!_
and
_We're removing these german vehicles because they were never in full production, but keep these Soviet vehicles that never made it past blueprints in the game!_
Oh god this again. I dont support the decision but come on. All the soviet tanks ingame were actualy made. The only expection is kv220, irl it was produced, but it was not outfitted with F-39 cannon before project was scrapped. But hey, its an event vechicle, and if you feel germans are suffering remember that E-100 is ingame.
In the meantime panther II is a mish mash of 3 diffrent projects and coelian and Tiger 105 never existed outside plans.
Btw gaijoob said these things will be replaced at some point back when tanks were just implemented.
He...he's still alive.
More alive than a Ferdinand's engine after going up a hill anyway.
Well this is awkward my guy
Its Anschluss Time yep
@@itsanschlusstime5376 Wanna invade Australia?
Stupid giant piece of junk (Im refering to the Ferdinand)
The Ferdinand was an extremely deadly vehicle in combat, provided that you could trick your enemies into driving it
Sherman: "They call me a deathtrap despite having the highest survivability rate?"
Churchill: "Second, actually..."
T-34: "You comrades have crew survivability?"
B-17: "You guys can survive combat missions?"
Lancaster: "Oh you sweet little kid"
U-Boat: "You guys are so innocent!"
Liberty Ship: "Like you folks know what death is"
Kamikaze: "Suicide is baddass!"
Ferdinand: *(hits speed bump and catches fire)*
Panzer IV: "Well, there he goes again"
Tiger 2: "Why did we even try making that failed science project work?"
Panzer III: "Oh shut up you heap of trash like you were any better!"
Japanese Armor Corps: You guys have people?!
@@bomk4249 The crew of the sherman tank can litteraly just hop out since they have hatches just on top on their head, except the gunner and loader(until they added the loader's hatch) I guess...
@@k-874 _Spring-loaded_ hatches. Can't really call it a "trap" if it's that easy to get out of.
The T-34 was basicaly one of the best tanks of the war becose why woud you throw a Stupid expesive gun on a tank that statiscticaly lives for like 6 months
Yukari Akiyama Ratte : you guys got prototypes?
"Why didn't the Americans send in M4s faster?"
It's the blue stuff in between America and Europe.
The Pond
Should have been Chinese tanks because that’s what we’re going to be seeing a lot of in Hong Kong
Heh heh... Heh *cries*
...........
Damn
*Chuckles* my country's former colony is in danger. :-D
well not if us brits get it back
A 100 Sherman's destroyed = worst tank in history
A 1000 t-34 destroyed = greatest tank ever devised by mankind?
Well maybe its because they fought since 1941 and didnt have trained crews at the beginning ? And nobody ever said that its the greatest tank in history. Unlike what I heard people ranting about how ,,perfect,, and ,,flawless,, sherman is.
well if you talk first t-34 modification YES
T34 100 is best t34 until the crew dies because of the fucking turret.
@@demolition4654 i have literally never seen anybody call the sherman flawless
@@demolition4654 No one has called the Sherman what you said. However, people will counter any argument that it was the worst tank. It was not the worst tank. It was the most appropriate.
Sherman: shoots the back of a tiger's turret
Tiger's driver: HOW IN THE FRICK DID THE TRANSMISSION BREAK.
That's "German engineering" right there
XD
Haans just turn the turret and slap it forget the damage we will fix the paint
That Tiger just got Gaijin'ed
@@wireworks4252 weeb!
“Those Shermans are so bad, I could kill 10 in a-“
*”Hans ze transmission broke”*
“...”
*”Scheiße”*
@@invadegreece9281 [5 Shermans cross the ridgline]
"Oh, we are ok, we wi..."
*Sherman Firefly crosses the ridgeline*
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This enraged War Thunder who punished him severely
@Sebastian Gerner Berthou H9C Skovvang only from the tech tree tho
@Sebastian Gerner Berthou H9C Skovvang tf are they removing them for
Avery Hunt They aren’t removing the Maus no clue where he got that shit from. But everything else is because they were more paper tanks than real vehicles. Because of how much guess work gaijin put into them it is not fair that the Germans get something with made up stats. So they’re removing em.
I am now done after they removed one of the most Iconic German tank (and 3 really good tanks that are removed for "muh historical accuracy" even tho it's a game)
@@universal1014 because they were never made, and gaijn doesn't want that. They are removing the maus because it can't be balanced, if you downtier it, it's way to strong, and at 7.7 it kinda gets raped by HEAT, APFSDS and ATGMs.
REAL BIAS HOURS WHO UP???
*british bias noises*
*russian bias noises*
Bruh your shit says 3 days ago u posted this comment when this video came out today
@@pie7350 *Russian blyat noises*
@@b47jacobs78 Pateron Bro. Get in or Quiet you Pleb.
"The Sherman was a death trap!" "No! It was the best tank of the war"
"The M3 Lee is shit" "Yes"
It was shit, but at least it was shit that momentarily did an adequate job killing Germans.
In that regard it was better than the Maus.
Then again...
I loved the lee until I saw one in person and was like "God damn that thing is big"
if you think that was shit you should read about the guy it's named after.
@@justonemori 2nd best general in the civil war? Dude wtf are you smoking? He's not on the right side, sure. But wut?
Does that not also matter? I mean justonemori was talking about the person lol. They were a good general that’s why it’s named after him but he was also a traitor.
Let's put it this way. We fight a battle. On one side you have every Tiger I ever built, vs. every Sherman ever built on the other. And let's be generous and let each Tiger kill 10 Shermans before being destroyed. At the end of the battle, you'd have zero Tigers and I'd have more than 36,000 Shermans.
That's what a war of attrition is.
It gets even worse with total and guerrilla war.
Some will say that's impossible but if you take into account of reliability issues even on both sides you'll realize this is quite accurate
The T-34: Are You challenging my numbers, mortal?
T-54/55: *sips vodka from "most produced tank of all time" flask*
@@ravenouself4181 LOL!
@@Ocrilat Safe to say, only the French autoloaders stand a chance :P
>Ends of being the most survivable, most upgradable, and most reliable and repairable tank of the war.
"Shermans are death traps"
Aren't German tanks more upgradeable? Because they were designed to be more upgradeable whereas allied tanks forgot to incorporate that and just built new chassis to fit new guns and shit
@@ryanthompson525 If you mean "the Germans just welded shit together and waited to see if worked", then yeah, German tanks were more upgradable. But it also crippled their production and logistics
@@ryanthompson525 The german tanks were less upgradable. The Panzer4 H, the final major variant added numerous changes such as added armor and side skirts to keep up with Sherman's and Russian AT rifles, but it maxed out the suspension and nothing more could be added without losing the Panzer 4s good reliability. The germans had to make entirely new tanks to add heavy guns and armor. The sherman jumbo varient turned a normal sherman into a heavy tank, with similar armor to the tiger, sometimes even having the 76 gun, and the sherman chassis was still reliable and not entirely maxed out. So they were more upgradable.
@@MistahFox the panther turret was upgraded? To be one of the best guns of the war. swear all the panzer variants had room to change the guns and add armour? I would argue allied upgradability started after ww2
Oh my gosh, stoopid yank detected with his "crew survivability" on a useless tanks
Sherman: *"Death trap"*
Panzer: *Laughs in broken transmission*
Laughs in hetzer
Jagpanzer 38t: laughs in poor crew ergonomics.
T34: quietly leaves
@Liam Kerr
Tiger: tries to leave but can’t because of failed transmission
Mein gott, Kertz ze transmission broke
_"The Sherman is a death trap."_
"What? Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of all this WINNING!"
It’s fascinating to learn about these. My grandpa drove a Sherman in France. Two actually: one got destroyed in battle. I guess the point about them being easy to exit gives the story good context lol
Good ole' Shermy saving crew lives
"The right tank, for the wrong war"
Panther: Yeah that make sen- *drive sprocket disintegrates*
Panther: Sh*t
HAHAGAHA i lafed thank
Dead Sherman sitting in the distance: karma strikes back
Oh god this got a good laugh out of me
Pacific Theatre
Sherman: Finally the right war!
Panther: Aw **** here we go again
Tiger tank commander: I can knock out 20 Shermans before lunch
50 Sherman tanks show up.
SHERMAN GANG
Haz hows our transmission?
Jones, we got the tiger!! *Looks at the 49 burning shermans*
*out of nowhere, sherman firefly and easy eight pop out* guess what!? It 1945!
@@HappiKarafuru lol easy is my fav
Some random writer: The Sherman is a death trap.
Me: *Laughs in Italian L3 Tank*
What was wrong with them?
*bumps small rock* MAMA MIA THE WHOLE TANK IS A-BURNING
Laughs in T-34-85 I’m in danger
@@The_Mad_Regent the L3 was one of the worst tanks in history.
@@theapexdragon5010 That's because it isn't a tank but they tried to use it as one. It's like sending a mobile machine gun nest against real tanks.
I’m actually writing a paper on cost benefit analysis surrounding the M4 Sherman and the M2 Stuart. Essentially, I’m running cost per unit, then estimating our net loss vs net investment. From what I’m seeing so far, it’s a fucking brilliant design, with production being so damn good (what with the expense for metal per unit) that with its absurdly high survival rate being what it was; it deserves to be recognized for its quality. Yes; it wasn’t perfect against big cats, but it wasn’t supposed to fight em one on one anyway. You move as a unit, and with support; then you kill the big mean kitty cat, without loosing all your crews, if you lose a tank that’s fine. There are 50 to 60 in the depot a few miles back where you can go back, refit, and catch up with your unit/grab a new guy in case you lost someone.
As opposed to losing a Tiger, or other big cats, which were expensive and borderline irreplaceable in some places. Big cats are astounding in their own way, and deserve some respect; but so does the Sherman.
And how easy it was to repair a sherman and not spend the money to send it back to the factory like the germans often did
Honestly it's a similar philosophy to the soviets in which you had a design which could be produced in extreme numbers and could be repaired in the field. The only real difference was that the soviets could afford to have it last a certain period of time, but the Americans couldn't. However that was largely a compromise anyway and the Americans could simply take on that added cost and still pump out tanks in the thousands. And it's why I really want to see a war of 1945 Soviet vs American tanks because they both went virtually the same philosophy in terms of tank doctrine.
@@buddermonger2000 ya the t 34 is loosing that
The war built t 34 had many many cut backs
Watch the video from lazerpig on the t 34
On paper the t 34 is absolutely amazing but in production it was held back by terrible production practices
You speak the truth
"5 shermans 1 tiger"
*Plays P hub opening theme*
@@fast_mustang9287 just wait till the chaos's beat his ass
The tiger got 5 dicks
Nah Russia America and Britain around Germany
5 75mm vs one 88mm long shlong
@@fast_mustang9287 nah dude, he should be at site [REDACTED]
“A minor stock market incident”
Aka the Big Sad
It will look like a "minor stock market incident" once the current bubble bursts
The enormous grump
That moment when you realize that a youtuber and unrealistic game researcher did more research and fact finding than the crew at history channel
And now the History Channel is now the "Ancient Aliens" Cult Channel
Yeah..... A bit like some of these "agricultural scientists" that are paid by the government. Some of these things they write about weeds are just CUT AND PASTE from Wikipedia I swear. Stupid high wages to cut and paste shit. I have been dealing with a pest bush for a few years to find most of the stuff on government websites is totally BS. "Experts".....
"the right tank for the wrong war."
proceeds to win that war.
Something else that I think should be added was that the term "Ronson" was a term used after the war. And even still, the Sherman had a very small chance of it catching fire compared to the German and ESPECIALLY the Russian tanks. It was only called the ronson cause after the war American tankers complained how weak their tanks were against tanks such as the tiger and the king tiger.
Exactly. And the Tigers' main threat, especially to the Americans (most of the Tigers on the Western front were encountered by Commonwealth or Polish forces IIRC) was mental. They heard about these invincible killer tanks, and so Allied troops would call out "TIGER!!" whenever one of their own vehicles was destroyed... even when it was likely that the culprit was a Panzer III, IV, one of the StuGs, or even a towed AT gun.
*posted 3 days ago*
It's ironic given in a lot of the tanks they were jealous of, they wouldn't have survived *to* complain
@@padre619 Subscribe to the patreon for early access to videos you pleb
@@Significantpower yeah, the podcast "Two Tankers and A Cat" went into detail about that, it's pretty interesting if you haven't listened to it yet.
"The US economy was the biggest in the world, so big that they could sic their economy on their economy to fix their economy." My sides went higher than a V2
Great depression *cough cough*
@@Koneic Whoosh
"Amateurs study tactics. Armchair generals study strategy. Professionals study logistics." This sums up why Wehraboos love to talk down non-German tanks - they ignore the operational realities that brought the tanks to the field.
I was a bit ofa wehraboo when I was very young and still comparing tanks ,cars, aircraft like a beauty pageant ( easily won by the panther).
@Stale Bagelz OH GOD MY EYES! YOU HAVE KILLED MY EYES WITH YOUR GRAMMAR!
Wait, you mean this quote that ignores what actually happened in the war made by a US Marine general, a nation that unless fighting its neighbors which only happened once each thus having to cross an ocean to fight any conflict? Whereas countries in Europe have potential enemies all around them and thus operations and tactics were way more important, see France for proof?
Fuck nuance amirite Ecs dee
@@looinrims This reads like a half digested idea spewed out into a sentence.
PresidentWordSalad your reply reads like someone who has no legitimate response and thus tries to discredit a statement by calling it stupid
"So big in fact that they could sick their economy on their economy to fix their economy"
STONKS
It always cracks me up when people talks about “the Sherman was terrible, my grandpa GI joe had to bail out of six Sherman’s.” It’s like, yeah but that means he served the equivalent of seven crewmen of many other tanks. So many of the American tank crews had survived so many tank losses.
One of the things that’s been the focus now is: don’t focus on the tank, focus on the crew. The crew is much more valuable than just the tank. A good crew can compensate for an outmatched tank, but a good tank can’t do much for an outmatched crew. See Israel vs Jordan in the six-day war.
Put that way the Sherman's were designed and operated in a way very very similar to the early Navy Fighters. The F4F Wildcat and F6F Hellcat. They weren't the fastest or the flashiest. But they were reliable, packed a decent punch within their flight envelope, could take a massive pounding and still get their pilot to safety to fly another plane tomorrow. In fact Navy aircraft doctrine quickly became "planes are disposable, flight crews are not."
great argument 👍👍
Very well said 👍
Exactly mate!! A tank is useless if it doesn't have a crew!! AND AN EXPERIMENTED CREW CAN MAKE A MOVING CANNON INTO A FEARSOME DESTROYER!!
Very true. I had a grandpa in the Korean war and he repaired tanks.
Ive never heard the Great Depression referred to as "the Big Sad" but Im gonna use that from now on
World War II was really called "The Hitler Invasion"
Check out Bill Wurtz for more history memes.
First day on the internet??
5:43 This was the quickest lesson about the "New deal" I ever had.
“Yo dawg, I heard you like your economy so we used our economy on our economy to fix our economy” -FDR
Thanos: I used the economy to fix the economy
The Sherman also had a very high survival rate compared to contemporary tanks, and survivorship bias has probably played a big role in people thinking it was bad. More soldiers survive to say what happened to them, more people think it was a death trap.
“Sick their economy on their economy to fix their economy” made me bust up laughing 😂 best joke I’ve heard all day
Right? Lol, I even replayed it a few times
Synth Solutions lol same m8
it's the image of FDR going Super President 32 that really sold that shit for me.
Okay. I was reading comments while the video was going and ended up reading this comment in sync with the video and just died laughing.
Yo, you should make a video about the
"Vietnam War Tank Meme".
Or just a video about Vietnam Era armored doctrine in general.
I would be keen to see this
You mean Sheridan?
Who needs armor when you’re just gonna get “one shotted anyway”
Sheridan, because dropping a tank off the back of an airplane is definitely better than dropping off paratroopers with recoiless rifles and ATGMs.
@@Americansigma8888 thats the leo 1.
This is a bit late but something to add, the Sherman's size was planned as they needed to be able to fit on a liberty ship. So instead of making new ship for a new tank they built the tank with ship in mind. I'm always awe struck how much thought went into the planning and future proofing of the Sherman.
I really liked the Sherman. It's a good all rounder; plus it's cute with it's bubbly body.
America-“Why is it when something goes wrong it’s always you three”
The Three Idiots- UK,France,Germany
Italy, Trailing Behind: "Hey! I'M an idiot, too! Why aren't WE an idiot like the OTHER European countries!? We can be JUST as stupid as THEY can! In fact, we're even MORE stupid! We're FIRST when it comes to stupid! WE'LL SHOW YOU ALL WHAT STUPID REALLY LOOKS LIKE!"
Uk and France: he started it
tfw we're nearing 2020, and it's now the UK starting shit, with Germany and France teaming up on damage control
@@TheSecondVersion I hardly think that the UK backing out of a political and economic group will ever cause a war, if it does then something is very, very wrong with this world.
@TheDerpy Kitty What are you on about? nobody blackmailed the us
"Cult of the Machine Gun" sounds like the name of an epic heavy metal ballad about war
Not enough Dakka!
I’ve watched this video more times than I can count, but laser eyes FDR still gets me every time
If there would be one WW2 tank that actually WAS a death trap, it would definitely be T-34, not Sherman... Not to mention the general crew comfort.
the creator of the t-34 died because it had no heating
@@versamax6307wasn't the tank he drove a prototype?
@@404cheeseburgernotfound5
A: the comment is a year old
B: Maybe! Doesn't really matter if they didnt add heaters to the production tanks after the fact.
4:52. Sun Tzu said that! AND I'D SAY HE KNOWS A LITTLE MORE ABOUT FIGHTING THEN YOU DO PAL' BECAUSE HE INVENTED IT! AND THEN HE PERFECTED IT SO THAT NO LIVING MAN COULD BEST HIM IN THE RING OF HONOUR!
i like your thinking
I like the tf2 reference, wasn't thinking about that line tbh
you spelled Tzu wrong. I cant remember if its Tsu or Tzu, but its one of the two.
@@aceofthesky1247 Fixed it....I think.
@@panzerschiff9805 I'm pretty sure it's ring of honour, and not rank of honour...
I love how the History Channel Talks about shermans and Shows a m10 gmc
Sherman chassis
Benjo Kazooie more like it’s based on an m4 chassis not a true m4
I love finding stuff like that. Like pacific aerial combat footage in a segment about 109s.
The people who run Discovery Network need to be burned at the stake. They've ruined every single educational cable channel. God I miss what the History channel WAS 20 years ago. Hell, I miss what it was 10 years ago.
@@22steve5150 I'm pretty sure the program he showed at the start is nearly 20 years old. History Channel has always been bad, we just didn't know better then.
“Use a fkn tank!” - Sun Tzu, probably
"so your friend can finally see their dream of panzers in London"
Had me laughing so hard lol
FDR haunts my dreams. I can not escape him. He may not be able to walk, but he catches up to me easily, and in the most uncommon of places.
Oh I think you’re speaking of my dad , he’s a little more dangerous because he’s fat though
@@faisalaldan3420 😂😂😂
He’s hiding in your toilet
Wheels are faster than legs on flat terrain. Go up some stairs
Very succinctly put. I approve. (The locknut was on an M18)
Oh great chieften of the puddin race!
Of course you would, it's basically "Why the Sherman was what is was" cut down into a quick ~10 min video :P
Damo, I'm nae haggis!
The One and Only legend has arrived
The man himself has spoken
Another reason, if not the main reason, that the 75mm Sherman was prefered over the 76mm was that the former's low velocity gun had better HE rounds. Since tank encounters were relatively rare for the Sherman, good HE for dispatching infantry was more useful for them than the good AP and worse HE of the high velocity 76mm gun. Meanwhile, for the usually outnumbered German tanks good AP was a must.
People go Unga bunga, tanks vs tanks is the only thing and ignore reality
Actually, the T-34 and M4 Sherman were the right tanks for the right war. They were both made to be produced in massive numbers. No matter how many Tiger II's and Panthers Germany could produce, they would always be outnumbered. Furthermore, both the T-34 and M4 Sherman were continuously upgraded throughout the war with most of their fault being forked out and fixed.
You’re making this comment to the wrong person man
@@randomelite4562 true, but i have wehraboo ptsd
@@ravenouself4181 Jesus Christ man, it’s been two years since either of our comments
@@randomelite4562 Makes the whole situation much more memey :P
The Sherman did everything asked of it, in every theater of war, from the volcanic islands of the South Pacific, to the frozen steppes of Russia, and, did it reliably, and, well. Then, the Sherman 76 was much preferred by crews over the Pershing in Korea, because, the narrower width, and, lighter weight were better in the mountainous terrain. Plus, the 76 was more than enough to handle the T-34s of theNorth Koreans.
Plus, the American crews didn't really trust the new tanks like the Pershing, reason why they preferred to keep using the sherman
Also, the Pershing was pretty unreliable and they were underpowered, since they had the same engine as a Sherman for a heavier tank.
@@elpatrico2562 M46 was the preferred tank for Korea tho
@@BLUNTESSTBOOT233 Yeah, I just wanted to compare the Pershing to the Sherman.
Ok I understand what your saying but the Pershing had the best Kdr of all American tanks. The Pershing had troubles in the mountains but was crazy overkill for the T-34s.
“Sherman the right tank for the wrong war”
Tiger: *transmission breaks* *fire happens*
Panther: *Drive Wheels shatter*
Ferdinand: Literally everything breaks
The only tiger who had this problem with an burning engine was the tiger 1 P ;)
@@f-15jeagle63 But the Henschel design was also subjected to engine fire wasn't it? Just less so
For that guy to say the sherman was the right tank for wrong war is amazingly ignorant. I'm flabbergasted.
The Problem with the sherman was, that it did not have enough mgs. It has like not nearly enough MGs
I cant belive the Americans didn't put machine guns all over it
@@squirrele.1266 They have a machine gun port at the front and a mounted big daddy 30 call. They were definitely in the machine gun cult.
Only 3 MG
So the T-34 is a fucking godsend with 45 millimeters of sloped frontal armor, but the Shermans were death traps with 60-something millimeters of sloped frontal armor... alright, I see.
The Angle was different If i am Not wrong
@@mannimut1721 yea, the angle is different but the relative thickness is lower than the Sherman, T-34s would only bounce 3.7cms and _maybe_ the older 5.0cms.
Just another way for people to trash America
"Sic the economy on the economy to fix the economy." - Franklin Roosevelt was an absolute legend.
9066
FDR red eyes makes me laugh every time.
@@ShortArmOfGod putting Japanese people in internment camps like a bosssssss😏
@@jeltje50 you knooo itttt
i wish someone would clip the quote, i love listening to it, its such a meme
When you get requests for ads from both WoT and War Thunder
*CAPITALISM INTENSIFIES*
*Stonks*
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
If you want realistic, play War Thunder. If you want easy to play, play World of Tanks
@@lorenzomendoza473 if you want to save your brain cells, don't play both)
"You can see how the Sherman tank was the wrong tank for the war, considering the United States actually lost the- wait, what's that?
Han? I'm sorry there seems to be a problem in the teleprompter, so we are just going for the next news: The Ferdinand!"
Crews: That thing is a death trap! I don't want to get in it ever again!
American engineers: *Looks like the couldn't handle the neutron stile*
“75 mm freedom launcher”
The lesson here? Stay out of the way of freedom.
grippercrapper freedom is an intrinsic instinct for humans, freedom will consume humanity regardless of those who dare try to contain it, like the Americans during wars, russia, China, Germany, no one can stop freedom, only slow it
@A Person good question the fuck was I saying? Deleted reply maybe?
Hey uuuuuh, the sturmtiger (german tank) had a 380 mm gun
@Bruce Washington buddy I think your deaf
@Bruce Washington no, I legitimately think you're deaf. You've been listening to Sherman's fire for the last 3 hours and I dont think thats good for the ears, especially when you stand right next to them.
>cult of the machine gun
ALL OOGA BOOGA, DAKKA TRAKKA, PAPER SAY, CHUM CHUM
etR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!! WE NEAD MOAR DAKKA YA GROTS
pretty sure this still needs more dakka….
>cult of the machine gun
Dear machine gun spirit, let your balistics spray unto the traitors, the xenon and the heretic for the glory of the Omnisiah!
@@Irishcrossing
Death to the alien, the mutant, the heretic.
Let’s not forget the crocodile variant, which had a flamethrower. A *Sherman* tank, with a *flamethrower*
Also the Calliope if you want to turn your Sherman into a Katyusha.
They had to discontinue those because they kept escaping the training ranges and heading for Georgia.
Germany: ah fine specimens this tiger I will destroy the allied tanks for the upcoming assault
US: pew goes 105 Sherman
Germany: **Sobs**
That song in background... Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, because of you I have to replay it now. Thanks.
Best Medal of Honor track is Operation Market Garden from MOH Frontline
Best ww2 games ever
My favorite mission: Arnhem knights
There are still servers up if you feel the urge
Pacific Assault/Rising Sun had dope main themes
Man I loved the hell out of vanguard and European assault
"What's that? 'Sherman bad'? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of the Battle of my Bulge"
"notices bulge"
"OwO whats this?"
@@vavra222 the big dick that fucks Germany is what it is
@@dorkmax7073 Oh you mean the Red Army ?
@@dorkmax7073 laughs in 3 muricans yeetet for every german
@@mulmusfistus4128 That's a standard Offensive vs. Defensive casualty ratio
"sherman had no armor"
M4A3E2: am I a joke to you?
I love that the narrative has completely shifted where the Sherman used to be the worst tank that has ever existed, but now it's second-only to the most perfect tank ever conceived in the eyes of God, the Bob Semple.
"sick their economy on their economy to fix their economy...... *Roosevelt intensifies* "
**gay intensifies**
**stealing comment intensifies**
*stealing comment infestifies*
5:44
seth filginouski N E W D E A. L
I love how much you use the original "Medal of Honor" theme.
This is the comment I've been looking for. Thank you for the info.
MOHAA what a game
"It didn't magically deflect shell and through them back at the Germans."
Soviets: oh don't mind if a do
It should be worth mentioning that while the Sherman may have struggled in the European theater it performed incredibly well in the Pacific theater all the way to the end of the war as the Japanese never had any heavy tanks of their own and island hopping nature of the Pacific war made tank combat less viable. It was so good Infact that marine tank crews asked for more he shells as ap shells would over penetrate Japanese tanks
The meme wrote itself.
Maybe a french tank meme video?
Ahhohohohohohohoho
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A white flag isn't a tank
@@JoshDerenburger HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You mean a french armored retreat machine video?
Here is my thing about Sherman tanks that many people dont realise.
Specialization kills
Basicly the more things that are different means the more parts and that can easily kill
Which is why having fewer variaty is better than having too much
It does depend on industry and how quickly things get destroyed. Modern armies have very specialised equipment and vehicles, but because most almost never get destroyed by enemies they can afford to make them.
Of course during something like WW2, having less specialisation is generally better, unless you constantly encounter something that needs a specialised vehicle to defeat.
On a strategic level, this is absolutely true.
It does. And Sherman was never meant to take on other tanks. It was an infantry tank, released after two years in development hell, after all other countries realized infantry tanks are dumb. And the Germans have completed the KwK 40, so it was obsolete right out of the gate. And Americans were the only ones to deliberately (not Ad Hoc) design tank (destroyers) with open tops.
@@Psytinker The British still had their crazy doctrine with infantry tanks during this time. The Japanese too iirc, though this was due to the obsolescence of their tank models driving the doctrine - and the lack of Chinese armor to make them change their doctrine.
Psytinker I read a CZcams video called Myths about American tanks of ww2 and no, the 75mm gun was suppose to take on panzer 3 and 4s, there’s a reason why they didn’t up gun until much later as there’s no point in using a bigger gun when a small gun can do the same thing, killing tanks
Another thing is shipping, anything that was sent to Europe had to cross a wee little pond called the Atlantic Ocean, the Sherman was small and light enough to easily put on transport ships and hell, even some types of landing craft, it could even cross bailey bridges, and even had a variant that could carry its own bridge, something the big cats or the Pershing just could not do.
Sicking the economy on the economy to fix the economy might be the best description of FDR I’ve ever heard
"The big sad", i think i spat out all of my food in laughter
no, you didn't. shut the fuck up
@@bobbyjoe1111 that comment is 11 months ago
@@bobbyjoe1111 who hurt you
@@bobbyjoe1111 bro cool but literally we don't care. Like let him enjoy a joke you damm 4 yr old
@@bobbyjoe1111 so what? Trying to be old, child?
This is why people can't have fun anymore. Someone's just gotta be "serious" and "look adult" just because they can't act like actual mature people
You see comrade, shermans dont work because of the ammount of capitalsm in them.
But our stalinium T34 on the other side *_just works_*
And i agree comrade
Comrade Howard?
*tank starts clipping through the ground*
*T-34 next to them blows up*
@Adolf Hitler Nyet, a thousand
5:38. The best line to describe America.
Intro: “Right tanks for the wrong war”
*How dare you*
Sherman: "I'm a death trap"
T-34: "Hold my Vodka"
M3Lee: *laughs in 7-brothers-coffin*
Crusader tank: sits in the corner crying with a broken transmission and being shot
Chi-Ha: *starts crying but gets obliterated by a 9mm*
Sherman:
Commander: out of here, the tank is destroyed!
Crew: escapes*
Loader: i guess it's fine for me...
*Laughs in Bob Semple Tank*
Cult of the machine gun?
You need to be taught about the importance of Dakka my friend!
No its the machine god or nothing
MORE DAKKA!!!!
@@aceambling7685 *MORE DAKKA*
Did Someone say Dakka?
DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA!!
In the end the Sherman was the perfect tank for every Battlefield in WW2. The M3 even though it was an stop gap was good enough for Africa, so much so that the British tank Crews were begging for them. And every other army was thankfull too for the ones they got, and were actually able to build their own variants throughout the war and even beyond into the 1950s and even 60s (especially the Israely variant in the 6 day war). And basically only the West Front was the only place where Shermans were outplayed by the Gen 3 german tanks. In italy, M3s were more than enough and in the Pacific they were basically unstoppable, if you count out the difficult geographic issues of island and swamp warefare. But in the end was that tank beloved by all.
The M4 is what I consider to be the best tank of WWII. It was the most reliable and ergonomic of the medium tanks of WWII, while being highly competitive in hard stats with vehicles like the Pz IV, StuG III, and T-34. It's only real drawback was that it's 75mm gun that early variants were armed with was slightly behind the curve in anti-armor performance, and it's gunsight lacked magnification. This was quickly addressed with the high velocity 76mm gun and an improved gunsight.
Tiger tank: our armor is to strong for shermans
Apcr: allow us to introduce ourselves
APCR: Here comes trouble
White Phosphorus: Make it double
APDS: Make it triple! (if it hit at range more than 200m)
*angles armour* Ha! Take that!
White phosphorus would still burn the tank out.
Also don’t even get me started on the 76mm M4s.
People: M4's are coffins on tracks
Israel: "Destroys a bunch of T-55s"
HYPERNOVA3 they also destroyed M46’s and M48’s with un-upgraded Shermans. Because experienced tank crews are actually worth much more than their tanks.
Dmitriy Loza would certainly agree.
people: the pershing was way better then the sherman
*german upgunned 1930s tank (nashhorn) knocks it out*
The Arab tank crews were poorly trained tho
Israel is an illegitimate state.
Well, those Israeli Sherman were upgraded as hell. New engines, HVSS suspension, French 105mm gun or long 75mm gun, with the COTAC firing system...
The proof is in the pudding. We won and Germany didn’t. The question isn’t whether the Sherman was good enough, it obviously was. The real question is why Germany couldn’t pick a lane and stay in it? They would have been better off pumping out panzer IVs than going for the elusive super tank.
@Dumisani Nkosi The Tiger used more oil than the Panzer IV. Far more
I can answer that question with a single word.
Hitler.
I believe the issue with Shermans being called death traps was from the early models that were used in Africa. In those early models there was a lack of safe storage for the amunition as well as some models using petrol rather than diesel. This gave them the nicknames Ronsons (referring to the Ronson cigarette lighters) and Tommy Cooker.