Installing the 6000w Power Inverter from Sun Gold Power
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2021
- Now that the external power shed is done with solar and hydro power its time to hook up the off grid inverter. This is the Sun Gold Power 6000w inverter and charger. It is so heavy at 103 pounds. It has many features like remote switch, generator auto start, grid active battery charger, split phase output. Although this inverter is 6000w output I am just hooking it up to run a single wall outlet for normal household appliances. My thoughts are that I can run the microwave, internet, tv, and refrigerator in a power down situation.
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That's too cool, thank you for inviting us along.
Brilliant idea to use a french cleat to get the inverter mounted.
I would suggest using a pre-charge resister across the circuit breaker terminals for 20-30 seconds before turning the circuit breaker on to slowly charge up the inverter's capacitors and reduce the chance of spark/arc/damage to the circuit breaker as Cedric Green has said has happened to his.
Looked very heavy. Nice job getting it mounted. Thanks for sharing.
It was very heavy! Especially since I have not been going to the gym.
That inverter will never go anywhere! Heck... it didn't even want to go on the wall to begin with! :) Great perseverance and install.
It is up there now! I don't plan on moving it anytime soon. For a guy that does not workout anymore 100 pounds is a lot!
Subscribed. My wife and I are installing a Conext SW4048 w/Classic 150. We were able to retrieve an Absolyte GX 48v/2,000AmpHour battery bank that a telecom was getting rid of. I am trying to size Charge Controllers and panels to push as much power into the battery bank as is possible (looking at EG4 MPPT 100/48 charge controllers)(550watt Longi Panels in 8S/2P per controller)... love what you are doing!! Great work and great video!
Like 1992djg said , you may need to install a battery disconnect switch with the breaker to power the inverter because if you just use the breaker to power the inverter , it will surge a spark every time in the breaker damaging it later . I have learned that after destroying two of my 250 amp breakers just to let you know . Try adding a charging and discharging resister circuit to pre charge the inverter .Check out my solar videos about those above .Otherwise that Sungold Inverter is a beast and you can power most of everything in your house like using grid power . May the solar be with you .
Did you use a pre-charge resister on the inverter before switching on the circuit breaker? Without that you will get a spark in your battery cut-off switch each time you flip it on.
@@jllaine Check out my solar videos on my channel , at “ My easy caps push button charging solution “ and “ Try Feature Aims at ease “ videos . Hit like , leave a comment and subscribe . I use a battery disconnect switch along with the breaker in the inverter circuit . But I inmprovised a pre charging circuit with a push button and resister to pre charge then turn on the battery disconnect switch , guess what ,! no spark ! But at lease the battery switch can handle some of the surge if you maybe forget to use the pre charger rather then the breaker burning out . The breaker is always to be kept on to protecting the inverter . May the solar be with you .
@@defjamsgreen I watched it, a neat idea to permanently install a momentary switch + resister in series as a bypass of the inverter's cut-off to precharge the capaciters.
@@jllaine We preppers , We ready .
He did if you watched the video its a 150amp switch fuse you can turn on and off and 4 other one's for each battery
Nice job again! Great to now have solar power inside again
Yes! Having at least 1 outlet in the house is nice for power outages. I can run my fridge for a nice long time on the solar. Sometimes in the future I hope to wire up a few outlets around the house for off grid use.
@@LandtoHouse If you put in a 2-gang outlet box inside the house, you can use the black wire for one of the outlets, the red wire for the other outlet, share the neutral and ground; the same way the mains in to the house provides 2 hot legs with some outlets on one and some on the other. This would be the easy way to be able to use the full capacity of the inverter when needed without running more wire.
Hi well done you made good job connecting your new toy Sheeth should be on earth wire. Take care. From 🇬🇧.
Yes I mention that in the last video. I need to setup earth ground wire.
Only 2 Hernias later & it's installed 👍👍
Nice work Seth.
Thank you. It is nice to have a little off grid power.
Nice job
Nice job of mounting the Sungold. You might want to get some heavy duty construction screws to drive into those studs. The ones you used may not have the shear strength. You do not want that thing to fall off the wall.
Good job, finally now your home is more safe... My advice is to put a fire ball in the box to avoid any burning problems in the future
Yes I am much more relaxed with the new power shed. I have seen those fire ball but never used one.
@@LandtoHouse i used it ..its very useful !
Wouldn't worry too much about the French cleat staying on the wall. I had a Millwork shop and to prove a point, I fastened a 12" cabinet to the wall with a single 2 1/2" #10 and was able to lift myself off the floor back in the day when I weighed 180 ish.
Thats a fun test! I bet those screws are able to handle several hundred pounds.
@@LandtoHouse French cleats work fine so long as the wall is straight, in the same plane. If not they won't slide in properly. They do limit your ability to fasten a run of cabinets together prior to installation and shim out where necessary.
I'm running my well pump and my mini split with an old 5,000 watt inverter similar to that Sungold. I have two 48 volt "Big Batteries" and eight lead acid truck batteries in a 48 volt configuration. On cloudy days the batteries don't charge up enough and the mini split heater will drain the batteries too.
I learned stuff! thx
Nice happy to help. I am just learning this stuff too.
A second cable between the two bus bars seems a logical upgrade
I would also need to increase the size of the wire going from the battery to the bus bar.
Please add a battery disconnect you turn off all the equipment but still have live power from the battery’s
It’s no different than switching off all your breakers in your house then messing with the mains coming in
it would be a good idea to wear safety glasses when hooking things up. sometimes you get a spark that with make metal connections turn into flying pieces of hot molten metal. the DC (direct current) is like an arc welder. I sparked a 24-volt LiFePO4 battery during an assembly process and it cut into the stainless steel stud and busbar like a welder will... I was lucky enough to be able to stop the arc with a piece of wood by severing the connection quickly... the DC electric and AC (alternating current) for that matter must be assembled with care and safety is the most important part... gloves are also recommended so you are not part of the circuit... others may have already mentioned it,,,, but please promote safety.... thanks for you videos,, they are always interesting ,,, thanks
Something like a blow dryer, heat gun or another corded power tool would probably be a better test of the output. The mounting blocks were a neat idea but I would have just attached the second angled piece to the inverter and mounted the other blocks on the shed wall below the other angled piece. Then the inverter easily hooks over the angle cut on the top block and you can secure it with a screw through the mounting rail to the lower blocks already on the wall.
Can you post a video? I'm not sure why that's better than the French Clit?
@@rrpearsall I think the idea was use a wider board for the french cleat, so the inverter could be hung and the lower screws would then go into the bottom of the very wide cleat.
This was glorious to watch 😂 Nowadays I outsource all heavy lifting. Should have paid some lift bros from a gym to help you with that 💪
I am almost to that age where I need to outsource the heavy lifting.
I read a review on Amazon stating that the load indicator only measures Hot L1. If you have a load on L2 and but not the first - the load indicator will show 0%.
The 6000w idle consumption hovers around 72-80watts.
Can you do one one on a flyeheel or mechanical battery that stops completely the dependence on traditional batteries with lithium. I think it needs a boost daily but maybe the ram pump can provide the boost or hyrdo?
Great job, what size battery cable did you use for the install please
lol sorry but i laughed my butt off "oh now boards too high". Good on you for getting that done man 🤣🤣
Haha its funny after the fact... when I was holding 100 pounds it was less funny.
Great video! New sub here😃
Thanks for subscribing and watching!
Add more panels to compensate idle consumption of the inverter...hope I'll get midnite charge controller soon
I noticed you didn't use the ground connector on the SunGold(in the back).Seems like you only used the ground on the output side. Is that right? Having problems figuring out the grounding.
nice video thanks what kinda battery are those how much amp one battery have is 100 amp battery are you using
These are AGM batteries. Soon I will be upgrading to lifepo4 batteries. Way better.
New Subscriber here... Given the inevitable return of the Carrington Event, do you recommend surrounding any setup like this with a metal cage to protect it? What material would you suggest, and how deep would you recommend grounding be?
Thank you!
I have not done any prep for a magnetic storm. Perhaps someday I will get into that. For the moment I am just learning alt power.
what kind and size wiring did you use from the inverter to your outlet? Gauge? Also, what size wiring from the inverter lugs to the batteries?
Amazing!
This thing is so heavy.
Amigo usted es un profesional trabaja muy bien el cableado todo muy lindo con terminal como debe de hacerce para sacarle la potencia máxima de estos convertidores de corriente DC a AC en Miami yo trabajo de Electrisista y hago mucho trabajo de control automático me gusta mucho la electricidad y la electrónica gracias por estos videos yo aprendo de usted
Would you provide information on where and how i can get this unit? I will appreciate that. We have serious power shortages here in my country, Zambia.
HOLY CRAP!!!! So, as an experiment, you ought to make a video of what happens when you short something like a wrench across a couple battery terminals. Afterward, I bet you won't just drop tools on top of a battery pack. That is just a disaster waiting to happen. I'm not trying to be a safety Nazi but damn that's dangerous.
The goal is to install rack batteries this spring. Should be nice.
Hi what type of breaker did you use at 9:30? Thanks
Was the NEC considered in this installation?
No not even a little bit.
What size ground wire did you use?? It calls for 2 grounds #8 BUT BUT THEY DONT FIT????
Q: where are you locating your Rectifier for your three phase generator, I have been trying to figure out where it's located across your videos? I admit I'm bind. I did not see it under the house nor in your new shed.
My wire ran out just inside the crawl space. So the rectifier is under there.
Is your Unit 240v capable and if so will you wiring inductive loads to it later? We have a similar model made by AIMS. I built a 240 ( 50 amp *25 amp x2*) Generator power cord as back up for those lonely cold dark days. 240v has no use for neutral. The unit does come with a Neutral for our 120v loads. Idle consumption is a staggering 75 watts. BAD on You AIMS! Killing my efficiencies. We're about to wire in a 14Kw electric water heater with a 60 amp 2 pole breaker and 6 awg copper. We need to Now Ground the system as we are pulling in a boat load of power for the off grid Tiny Home. DIY is awesome with some research and I hope the Project goes well. I love your wiring. Very clean NOW
Does your inverter emit a high pitched noise, even with no load attached? I have a Sun Gold Power 6kw LFP and when its turned on it emits an ear piercing 15khz ? noise. Its so frustrating, because I did not get around to connecting it until 4 months after buying, so if its defective I'm out of luck, since their support seems to be non existent.
A nice unit. Are you going to be adding a wind turbine to your setup?
We have almost no wind here all the time.
Never in 10 years have i had caps blow up when using circuit breakers to turn on my inverters. Buying cheap might get you there tho.
Do you know what this units standby load is in watts?
I had a Chinese inverter exactly like that just branded a different name .. My main inverter is an American brand Schneider Connect 6064 but it doesn’t have enough to power my whole house so I added this Chinese branded inverter and split off the load of a few house items … It lasted a month then burned up … 7 years later and my Schneider Electic is still working … I have a huge issue with your install , it is indoors on wood .. Nome of my solar install is indoors , I put it all in a separate steel garden shed away from my house for two reasons .. One the inverter and charge controller and cooling fan hum and vibration and fan noise kept me awake at night when attached to my house .. two , the fire hazard .. There is about a 50/50 chance that Chinese inverter will burn out and catch something on fire ….. I’m an industrial electric contractor and have my entire home powered with 42 panels and a large flooded lead acid battery system ..
It’s a hybrid system where it brings in utility power if batteries drop to 46 volts at night .. ( some super hot nights in Phoenix run ac st full power ) … My advice is dismantle system and install it on unistrut in a garden shed that is not attached to your home … At this time can you tell me if the inverter has burned out yet ?
Is it possible to use this thing in "ac coubling" for off grid use along with grid tie inverter?
I see the display saying 240V, did you check that you are only getting 120V at the outlet in the house?
Its split phase. Yes 120v out on 1 side of the output.
Would you consider showing exactly where your ac is wired
such a heavy weight, I think you should have been placed this inverter at a lower height, you may pull a muscle while moving such heavy weight to such a height. Also since this is a 2 phase inverter I think it should be electrically load balanced on both the phases otherwise the longevity may be effected, and the load will be divided on both the phases so each phase has to deal with half the total load.
Hello 👋👋 my friend my name is Arin from Kiribati and I am interested in what u did so would u please help out on how does the about the inverter work ... From the battery direct to the inverter and from the inverter to the house or u connect to the off-grid inverter..??
You can't use a single neutral for two circuits: the wire is only big enough for one. You could run 240 with each phase on the red and black though.
All I should need at the moment is one. Later I can install a sub panel and run 240v to it.
@@LandtoHouse Nice! That'll make a GREAT New video! Getter DONE!
You can run two circuits on a single neutral if the hot legs are 180 degrees out of phase, and the OCPD shuts off both legs if one goes over current.
@@infl Yeah, that is what is meant by 240. 240 in North America is two 120 circuits 180 out of phase.
@@MarkRose1337 I am confusion… Why can’t he use the single neutral for two out of phase circuits?
Hello, i bought a new one but the fan isn't running, and the machine is always hot, need help on how to turn the fan on, plsss.
I thought those positive wire breakers going into inverter weren’t safe?
How much is this sungold 6000 pure sine wave inverter?
If I know you you used a French cleat. YES!
Yes it was the only way to get 100 pounds on the wall by myself.
I commented on your other video that you have the battery is connected not wrong but not in the best manner it would be ideal if the positive wire came off the front battery to balance the load being pulled off of the batteries equally instead of just the rear Bank of batteries
the 2 banks are wired in parallel with 4g, it has no effect which end of the parallel + connector is joined to the bus bars.
@@jllaine you just want to be pulling from opposite ends of the bank a batteries not the same side of the bank. Think of it as trying to balance on a balance beam you want to keep your arms on both sides instead of hanging all your weight off the one side
I have same fuse rated 150A but it trips at 120A under load,bought off Aliexpress,I dont know why they rate so
Always go little higher then they say they are rated
Ya I assumed you would mount the bottom board to the wall
That works too. As long as it stays on the wall.
The problem with those inverers "low Frequencies" is that they consume to much batteries in idle.
Luckily this one comes with a switch so you can turn the unit off from inside the house
I agree. Our 6,000w 18k peak Aims is like having a 75w Light on at all times. Our tiny home with all Fantom loads draws 135w to 150w. Wind generator peaks my interest but there isn't much wind here 90% of the time.
I mean it's not ideal but if you have that big of an inverter I assume you have enough power production and or batteries for it to not to matter to much
@@james10739 Exactly. It's those 3 to 5 days of cloudiness. Battery storage is critical. Love the fact everything in solar is dirt cheap. ( Except the Batteries).
You need a set of sockets!
I have a set but they're not deep sockets. That was the problem
add a Windmill so you can get power at night too
If you are going to run that thin of wire just double them up 2 positive 2 negative.
You look like a strong af guy, how is it that hard for you to lift 100 pounds? unless the weight was misscalculated it is about 45-50Kg only.
Also, if i were you i would set up an auto switch for the fridge/freezer so when you lose power it jumps to inverter power
Yes it is 103 pounds. I could have lifted that a lot easier 2 years ago. Covid and not working out has taken its toll.
I would feel better with more battery storage before installing an auto switch. But that is a good idea!
@@LandtoHouse Covid took the toll on everyone apparently xD i dont know how much power usage your fridge/freezer represents or how much battery capacity you have or the periods without power, but it would probably be good to have the fridge work on those periods if they are long so food dont spoil
My Friend you need to earth/ground that inverter - otherwise your effectivly running all your house sockets with earths going back to nothing making them useless
the grid tie inverters connect to the house sockets and have earth-ground through the house's panel. The off-grid inverter is not connected to any of the house wiring, just a single dedicated outlet. But yes, that circuit will need an earth ground.
@@jllaine I thought you were running off grid - 6000 watt through a single outlet would be 25 amp+ too much for a single domestic plug socket .
@@trevortrevortsr2 I believe Seth has this single outlet as a temporary "for now" way to use the off-grid inverter, and doesn't plan for more than a fridge and TV connected to hot-leg-#2. As long as he is conscious of not trying to pull more than 15 amps through it, he'll be find. But yes, a better long-term solution would be to connect both legs to a 220vac/30amp sub panel, nearly identical to what he did for the workshop, and then run individual 15 amp circuits to key points in the house where he would use them (kitchen, family room). I suspect the next few projects will have an influence on how that rolls out, he mentioned dedicating space for the gasoline generator, and the left side of the shed is reserved for something big that could power the well-pump....
@@jllaine It always advisable to sort out the earth before energising any live runs - fogive me if I seem tedious but with the exception of double insulates low power consumables all sockets should be properly earthed. Seth may only plan to draw low power from his single outlet but what if someone less knowledgable does? - If there is no beaker limmiting current to 15amp then what safeguards the circuit?
@@trevortrevortsr2 I agree with you that this temporary bench test class "proof of concept" outlet is not advised for long term. But I have faith in Seth, he has already said it was a "for now test" set up that he plans to re-do: installing a few outlets in the house where needed instead of running extension cords down the hallway; adding the ability to use his gasoline generator to his off-grid circuits; that a "giant 6kw whole-house backup" is in the works. I trust that these upcoming projects also include a solution for switching between the 3 sources, running into a distribution panel with breakers for each branch in the house, GFCI, and earth grounding for the off-grid.
And he did share a video, quite some time ago, where he secured his office door against the little ones getting in without him.
The cooling fan from the inverter is now putting hot air on the midnight solar.
umm is that inverter putting out 244v?
Its split phase. So its output is 110v.
Split phase two legs of 120 volts combined 240
@@SpencerLAPower
Thank you. It is so nice to know I have some off grid power.
Seth, if you're not using the black wire in the house, you may only get 50% of the inverter's maximum output. It's like two inverters in one case, each wired to one of the hot lines.
Yes. So about 3000 W. That's still more than my refrigerator and microwave.
Has your inverter gotten really hot?
I have only used it a few times when the power went out. No over heating so far.
@@LandtoHouse oh I see, I have an aims 6k split phase 48v which is basically the same as sungold. I tested it out on my upright freezer in my garage. Let it run overnight and got extremely hot. You might wanna, put a load leave it on for 24 hours or so and see if it gets hot. I think it only recognizes such a small load and the fan doesn't kick on enough
Interesting. I should give it a try. Put a load for a while. When I upgrade my batteries I will be using it more.
@@LandtoHouse yeah, you might wanna test it out. Mine does work but not sure about the longevity of it. I do have a cotek sp-2000 that's a really awesome inverter, stays cool all the time. But it doesn't have a battery charger or transfer switch. That's why I bought the aims. Going to take some circuits off the grid. To power, and also wanna use for a power outage as well.
@@LandtoHouse can you use this in "ac coubling" connection?
The bare copper wire going to the ground isn't connected to a ground anywhere and is therefore unnecessary. You can ground the entire case with a grounding source to the case. The unit may have a case ground terminal somewhere on it for that purpose. Not sure about the other 2 leads in your cable going to the house as I cannot see the nomenclature on the inverter terminals. It may be that you might have to rewire those leads but you'll need to reference the installation manual. Since you are not providing a ground to the inverter the ground connection is useless. I believe the ground is used for incoming grid connection. I noticed a gap between the two leads you connected and the bare copper wire you connected to the 'ground' terminal. I believe what lies between them is the incoming AC for grid connection which allows the unit to charge the batteries using the grid source depending on how you program the unit. As far as a ground which is a safety is not present in that installation. Solar is an odd duck regarding grounding. You can install a combiner box at the photovoltaic panels and install a ground rod and ground to help prevent direct or indirect lightning surges. And I suppose you could carry that ground source into your inverter with an additional conductor. But you are still only grounding the case of the inverter. The way the transformer is designed, the 2 legs that you are using to create a circuit are wound inside the transformer along with the 'field' winding to produce the 120 (or 2 circuits each wound 180 degrees apart, each with on end at the common side of the circuit and each producing a separate 120 volt source). And that depends on whether your unit is designed for only 120 volt or can also provide 240 volt split phase current. You want to keep a household ground away from the inverter though, with the exception of the input side ground. And the reason is that if you had a short in your household system and it backfed into the ground, it could do damage to the inverter transformer. Not sure you realize any of this as I didn't see any reference in this video. The neutral on an inverter isn't the same as a neutral on a breaker panel with the neutral and ground combined inside the breaker panel. You don't want to introduce a ground from your house panel to the inverter other than the input pass through. The inverter circuitry isolates the incoming ground from the grid source when grid-input is being used to pass through or charge batteries.
A lot of good information what you have written there!!!! Let me at to it.... If you want to power or create a subpanel for the inverter to power some circuits...you have to bring the hot, the neutral and even the ground from the inverter to the subpanel (yes, need to disconnect the ground for that circuit from the main panel)....then you will move via a transfer switch , the cable that provide power to the circuit, the neutral and the ground (a 3 legs type transfer switch). By doing this, you can use the existing house wiring connection for that circuit and power that circuit...even in the presence of power from the grid...Let me know what you think!! Thanks.
I forgot to add... finding the ground for the particular circuit that you want to move from the main panel to the subpanel will be a pain...and even worse...there are houses that use a lot of metal tubing for ground...that will be bad for this type of Chinese inverter...in where the ground and the neutral are not connected inside the inverter (floating ground).
😂😂😂😂😂 heavy so he hangs it on the Wall 🧱😂
It only makes sense haha
Cleaver...
I’ve found your channel to be both informative and highly entertaining.
Your disregard of the KISS principle (Keep it Simple Stupid.) has increased that entertainment, and you seem to be having fun… for the most part.
Your disregard of Murphy’s Law (shit happens), I do not find that entertaining, You are messing around with electricity, which means you can go from having fun to dead, in less than a second. It only takes .25 amps to stop your heart in the write-wrong conditions, that’s 12 watts from your 48vdc system.
Now you could say I’m just talking out my ass, like a lot of people I see on your channel (The dude who says lifting in a 100+ lb piece of electronic equipment should be easy, has probably never lifted in a piece of electronic equipment.), so I’m going to give you a bit of my background. I built my first multi-meter from a radio shack kit at the age of 10, I have 3 years of High School electronics, 10 years as an Aviation Electrician in the US Navy, 13 years as a Manufacturing Equipment Maintenance Tech at HP, 3 nightmare years as LE Electrician Apprentice.
I despise the NEC, it’s a piece of bureaucratic shit, made for bureaucrats, but there’s some good info in it.
One of those is grounding.
Your metal back-plate for a heat-sink is a pretty good idea... not having it earth grounded makes it a potential buss-bar.
Neutrals that become disconnected from the return are despite the name potential power leads and should be treated as such.
Mounting your 103lb Inverter up high gives Murphy a lot of potential to mess with you. Just look at the picture of it mounted and think about what would happen if that thing did come off the wall.
Have fun and if you want to disregard KISS that’s up to you, but do not disregard Murphy. I would like to continue to be informed and entertained by your channel.
We want to see a real LOAD!!!. Not what a Walmart 400 watt $40 inverter will do.. I'm talking about 4-5 thousand watts load. . Ps otherwise your videos are great. Thanks.
That is true. I need to find something that will pull a significant amount of power.
@@LandtoHouse Thanks, keep up your work . Great delivery. So just bought that inverter. .
I have used this several times to power things when the grid goes down. Be careful with the install. 100 pounds is a lot.
@@LandtoHouse all I want to run ,is 4ton air-conditioning???: ( Hopeful)
Test with washing machine 😢
Those lights are not 60w cheif, they have transformer on the cords that output 60w dc but only draw about2-3 ac also you shouldn't be using three-way cable for one receptcle
Out in my film studio 3 of them run at 90w on half power.
To many " go aheads "
Perhaps I should throw in some "just do it" ?
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Would you provide information on where and how i can get this unit? I will appreciate that. We have serious power shortages here in my country, Zambia.