@@nolantherailfan5048 In setting it up or in maintenance? The power company dictate the cost of electricity and this still needs those power companies to charge and charging produces heat during the charging process which is lost electricity,Other than driving the electric motors directly
Running a massive FREIGHT TRAIN on batteries is just stupid in mind! This is an usecase where you need LOTS of energy for LONG durations. Both are requirements that batteries CAN NOT deliver - neither now nor in the near future. All those cells could easily be fittet in some fifty to hundered small cars for car sharing fleets for example. But in a train there's just no benefit. Diesel gives you around 41kWh of Energy per gallon. A SD70 type loco has a capacity of around 5,000 gal from what I can find right now. So that's about *205,000kWh* of energy such a loco carries around. Wabtec claims in their own video that this very loco has around 2,400kWh of batteries. (see czcams.com/video/zIgmNOxa5aI/video.html) So that's roughly about a hundredth worth of the energy of a typical diesel loco! Okay, fine. There's this efficiency problem of a ICE. But an electric loco also has converters and more or less the same electric motors. And I undestand that this FLXdrive loco shall be used along whith diesel locos. But even then: What's the benefit of THAT? ...apart from being able to do some green-washing... This simply is a waste of very precious resources. And amount of environmental damage the manufacturing of all those batteries has done compared to the real benefit of such a loco is just pathetic!
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length.
It's designed to be used in tandem with diesel locomotives. It can recover braking energy of the freight train and can help it get going again with its stored energy. Listen before spewing out idiotic comments
@@RR-us2kp Lol, braking energy???? The whole premise of a freight train is constant forward movement, How much braking do you seriously think it would need to do to sufficiently keep enough charge in the battery? And its stored energy? Isn’t that the same thing as a diesel locomotive does, Use its stored energy to get it moving? Laughing my ass of here….
@@MrBelly666 man you're stupid. It doesn't take a genius to understand that trains don't need multiple locomotives to run. They need multiple locomotives for the traction to get moving. This thing is supposed to do that instead of a diesel locomotive. And when the train brakes, it recharges the batteries for the next acceleration phase. Some people are just plain stupid.
@@MrBelly666 A railway track is not a flat line. There are ascents and descents. The potential energy of a train raised to a height of 1,000 feet can let it drive 100 miles across the plain.
This is pretty neat. I can see this as a great last mile loco where there isn't mineline supply. This the bottom line is this: North America badly need to agree on one solid loading guage, and an agreed height for OHLE in order to future-proof itself in the events of future sfuel shortage, and to get itself inline with Paris agreement climate targets. This loco + Electric locos will be the future. ♥️
how dual mode locomotives that has a battery prime mover in general like an alp-44 dual mode locomotive or a p32-ac dm but instead have a diesel prime mover its has batteries instead of diesel I think that would be the most efficient
Fortunately or unfortunately many disagree and i see this as "Trendy" following "Tesla", Hydrogen is my crystal ball and before you "sh#t your pants" it's NOT SATURN 5 ROCKET FUEL,BUT WATER WITH THE OXYGEN RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE HYDROGEN STORED FOR EITHER RUN BUSES AS WE DO IN LONDON IN THE UK OR DIRECTLY TO THE ICE ENGINE,EVEN BETTER STILL PRODUCING ELECTRICITY BECAUSE THE EXHAUST IS WATER VAPOUR
While this is great, I would recommend electrification of tracks instead to draw raw power. The electric engines are more cost effective as sooner or later the batteries will need replacement. And considering there are 18000 of them, that's a lot! Now imagine if more such engines are put on tracks. All of them will need replacement. So I am not sure whether this will be cost effective in the long run. As it anyways needs to draw electricity to charge. Back in India, the Indian Railways is planning to go for 100% electrification and is on track to achieve its target! This is better as there are no battery replacement costs. Plus Indian Railways plans to generate it's entire electricity through renewable sources and solar! So it's a win win for everyone.
Yes but that neglects the time, cost and effort to do this track electrification especially when US is so far behind numerous other countries in the rail infrastructure. I think battery powered locomotives, if the technic is mastered seems to be the cheaper/faster solution to me.
Total electrification of a line is desirable but extremely costly. this seems a good idea on sections of track where full electrification is difficult to justify at the moment.
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length
@@JadaKingdom971 such a battery "powered" engine only has around a HUNDREDTH of the range of a typical SD70 type engine. So for the desired use case (hauling massive freight trains) it's absolutely useless. Tbh I don't think the manufacturer has this as a target by himself. But also I'm not quite sure the manufacturer knows what his target with this engine REALLY is. For shunting it's too bulky, for hauling it's too small (energy-wise), for smaller, local train companies it will be (way) too expensive. It's a green washing machine, that's what it is.
@David Moore I can run my RC car at full throttle for 15 minutes and it would be almost too hot to touch. Now imagine that same tech in a locomotive that’s at full throttle for hours on end
Umm. Not the American public. The American press is hollow. Well actually the democrats are very hollow as well. They are living examples of the sheep from animal farm. Easy to persuade and very stupid 😂
I’m guessing 2 years. All the videos you can find on this thing running are about 2 years old. I can’t find anything new. I just want to see a video of 1 or more of these units moving under their own power pulling a heavy load. But you can’t and won’t. You see tons of videos of diesel electrics moving them for “testing” and maybe a video of it rolling by itself short distances. But oh no this is the future apparently. The sustainable “future” continues to expose itself as unsustainable by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.
Electricity on and off the grid will someday be produced only by a combination of green renewable energy forms: solar, wind, hydroelectric, sea tide movement I have yet to find one yoo-toob video posted of any all-battery loco actually pulling a train, toy trains notwithstanding! I had a toy train set that ran on flashlight batteries, C cells, when I was 5. Most videos on these are about "testing". It looks like they are just dog-and-pony show things to parade around for the time being. Are these things actually worth a damn in the field? They've talked the talk, can they walk the walk? Are they merely pure show without any go?
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length
I got the feeling most will end up in yard service. I just don't believe during an entire trip that locomotive car recharge the battery significantly enough. It may become more of a logistical nightmare when it comes to servicing the unit. When i mean servicing you can turn a diesel for it's next trip in a matter of minutes and that is more important to the transportation industry. Just look at how fast airlines turn planes. The odor of the people that were previously on the last flight that landed about 40 minutes ago is still in the cabin. Back to the locomotives, what happens when the cable get broken while still attached to the locomotive? I'ts going to happen somewhere. And the type of train it's deployed on matters too. What about in the event of an severe accident? These batteries have the potential to kill a person and start fires.
Well the hybrids were junk and we've been using them for about 10 years. If the locomotive companies purchase these independent electrics under a grant and, over time and, these units become unreliable they have to honor the grant or risk paying it back. Right now there is a lot of hype and excitement over something that has yet to be proven with concerning reliability and practicality.
The standard diesel locomotives they've been using for years are already hybrids. First one was in the 1920s I think? So you know. Your idea is 100 years too late.
@@timhansen46 there always has to be some douchebag like yourself opening your mouth without having a clue to what you're talking about look up railpower gg20b switcher. Hybrid diesel electric with battery bank it was done over 10 years ago but you wouldn't know too busy running your big mouth like that moron president we have.
@@faststang85 funny I was gonna say the same thing about you. Nothing about my statement was false. And you're the one using words like "bs" and "douchebag". So stop crying like you're a victim.
@@timhansen46 not a victim, just calling out people like you who think they know it all. Now tell me again they don't make a hybrid battery electric locomotive ....
@@faststang85 Ultimately your original statement was "hybrid" not "railpower gg20b switcher hybrid electric" so again nothing about my statement was false. Oh and it looks like the train you mention has some "false bs of batteries" in it.
It's because either GE is apart of it or they get permission from GE, Same with the one of the Chinese Chinese locomotive whi ch had GEVO contour parts
The entire GECX 3000 project is all wishfull thinking. This is not a friendly alternative for optimizing operation. The way I see it.... you may reduce emissions from the locomotive, but the locomotive is now a moving lithium bomb waiting to explode and cause 5 million in ground contamination in its first derailment, and it slows down operation long distance....
It looks like a fusion between GE and EMD. I like it.
Catenary electrification is preferable, but this would be a good in between
Catenary electrification is very expensive
@@nolantherailfan5048 In setting it up or in maintenance? The power company dictate the cost of electricity and this still needs those power companies to charge and charging produces heat during the charging process which is lost electricity,Other than driving the electric motors directly
@@nolantherailfan5048not really
@@nolantherailfan5048up front yes, but it’s cheaper and more efficient in the long run.
@@bostonbugni4347it can be it also takes some time, all depends on the region, company etc
while increasing mining pollution to make batteries, such a farce.
Running a massive FREIGHT TRAIN on batteries is just stupid in mind! This is an usecase where you need LOTS of energy for LONG durations. Both are requirements that batteries CAN NOT deliver - neither now nor in the near future.
All those cells could easily be fittet in some fifty to hundered small cars for car sharing fleets for example.
But in a train there's just no benefit.
Diesel gives you around 41kWh of Energy per gallon.
A SD70 type loco has a capacity of around 5,000 gal from what I can find right now.
So that's about *205,000kWh* of energy such a loco carries around.
Wabtec claims in their own video that this very loco has around 2,400kWh of batteries.
(see czcams.com/video/zIgmNOxa5aI/video.html)
So that's roughly about a hundredth worth of the energy of a typical diesel loco!
Okay, fine. There's this efficiency problem of a ICE.
But an electric loco also has converters and more or less the same electric motors.
And I undestand that this FLXdrive loco shall be used along whith diesel locos.
But even then: What's the benefit of THAT?
...apart from being able to do some green-washing...
This simply is a waste of very precious resources.
And amount of environmental damage the manufacturing of all those batteries has done compared to the real benefit of such a loco is just pathetic!
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length.
It's designed to be used in tandem with diesel locomotives.
It can recover braking energy of the freight train and can help it get going again with its stored energy.
Listen before spewing out idiotic comments
@@RR-us2kp
Lol, braking energy????
The whole premise of a freight train is constant forward movement,
How much braking do you seriously think it would need to do to sufficiently keep enough charge in the battery?
And its stored energy?
Isn’t that the same thing as a diesel locomotive does,
Use its stored energy to get it moving?
Laughing my ass of here….
@@MrBelly666 man you're stupid. It doesn't take a genius to understand that trains don't need multiple locomotives to run. They need multiple locomotives for the traction to get moving. This thing is supposed to do that instead of a diesel locomotive. And when the train brakes, it recharges the batteries for the next acceleration phase.
Some people are just plain stupid.
@@MrBelly666 A railway track is not a flat line. There are ascents and descents. The potential energy of a train raised to a height of 1,000 feet can let it drive 100 miles across the plain.
This is pretty neat. I can see this as a great last mile loco where there isn't mineline supply. This the bottom line is this: North America badly need to agree on one solid loading guage, and an agreed height for OHLE in order to future-proof itself in the events of future sfuel shortage, and to get itself inline with Paris agreement climate targets.
This loco + Electric locos will be the future. ♥️
how dual mode locomotives that has a battery prime mover in general like an alp-44 dual mode locomotive or a p32-ac dm but instead have a diesel prime mover its has batteries instead of diesel I think that would be the most efficient
Fortunately or unfortunately many disagree and i see this as "Trendy" following "Tesla", Hydrogen is my crystal ball and before you "sh#t your pants" it's NOT SATURN 5 ROCKET FUEL,BUT WATER WITH THE OXYGEN RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE HYDROGEN STORED FOR EITHER RUN BUSES AS WE DO IN LONDON IN THE UK OR DIRECTLY TO THE ICE ENGINE,EVEN BETTER STILL PRODUCING ELECTRICITY BECAUSE THE EXHAUST IS WATER VAPOUR
It’s close to a Cowl Unit, but it’s not a Full Cowl Unit.
When will GE & EMD Make Cowl Units for Freight Again?
While this is great, I would recommend electrification of tracks instead to draw raw power. The electric engines are more cost effective as sooner or later the batteries will need replacement. And considering there are 18000 of them, that's a lot! Now imagine if more such engines are put on tracks. All of them will need replacement. So I am not sure whether this will be cost effective in the long run. As it anyways needs to draw electricity to charge. Back in India, the Indian Railways is planning to go for 100% electrification and is on track to achieve its target! This is better as there are no battery replacement costs. Plus Indian Railways plans to generate it's entire electricity through renewable sources and solar! So it's a win win for everyone.
Yes but that neglects the time, cost and effort to do this track electrification especially when US is so far behind numerous other countries in the rail infrastructure. I think battery powered locomotives, if the technic is mastered seems to be the cheaper/faster solution to me.
That's not even a possibility the US has one of the most extensive rail systems in the world it would take to long and cost to much
Total electrification of a line is desirable but extremely costly. this seems a good idea on sections of track where full electrification is difficult to justify at the moment.
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length
@@JadaKingdom971 such a battery "powered" engine only has around a HUNDREDTH of the range of a typical SD70 type engine. So for the desired use case (hauling massive freight trains) it's absolutely useless.
Tbh I don't think the manufacturer has this as a target by himself.
But also I'm not quite sure the manufacturer knows what his target with this engine REALLY is.
For shunting it's too bulky, for hauling it's too small (energy-wise), for smaller, local train companies it will be (way) too expensive.
It's a green washing machine, that's what it is.
Can we get a used one one from bnsf for hemet to Perris commute?
CN has purchased it for the Bessemer and Lake Erie I will be able to catch it!!!
Good for you, I hate it
@David Moore because it’s a fire hazard waiting to happen
@David Moore do you have a hobby grade RC car?
@David Moore I can run my RC car at full throttle for 15 minutes and it would be almost too hot to touch. Now imagine that same tech in a locomotive that’s at full throttle for hours on end
I actually catch the B&P and 3000 is confirmed to be on it
Only California put that one on charge for a month...
Lol
Wokomotive. Designed by the Woke mentality. Good luck. Bet it won't last for long.
😂😂😂
God the journalism in America is hollow
Because their brains are hollow xD
Umm. Not the American public. The American press is hollow. Well actually the democrats are very hollow as well. They are living examples of the sheep from animal farm. Easy to persuade and very stupid 😂
This is amazing
It not.
No it's not I bet it's gonna be plagued with issues. The better solution is to just go with electrification
@@nolantherailfan5048 i hope it goes well tbh
Looks boring gay and pathetic.
Hope yall know electricity is a more risk then the gas or diesel we drive
WHEN PIGS FLY!
Yes, I'm afraid that this is the wave of the future. A Tesla pulling a string of cars. Move along folks, nothing to see or hear here.
Reduced emissions they say yeah ok 😂😂
How long do you think until this becomes another failed project and becomes forgotten?
I’m guessing 2 years. All the videos you can find on this thing running are about 2 years old. I can’t find anything new. I just want to see a video of 1 or more of these units moving under their own power pulling a heavy load. But you can’t and won’t. You see tons of videos of diesel electrics moving them for “testing” and maybe a video of it rolling by itself short distances. But oh no this is the future apparently. The sustainable “future” continues to expose itself as unsustainable by the laws of physics and thermodynamics.
Electricity on and off the grid will someday be produced only by a combination of green renewable energy forms: solar, wind, hydroelectric, sea tide movement
I have yet to find one yoo-toob video posted of any all-battery loco actually pulling a train, toy trains notwithstanding! I had a toy train set that ran on flashlight batteries, C cells, when I was 5. Most videos on these are about "testing". It looks like they are just dog-and-pony show things to parade around for the time being. Are these things actually worth a damn in the field? They've talked the talk, can they walk the walk? Are they merely pure show without any go?
Lmao 🤣 this will fail miserably
Yes. Instead a full electrification of the track is better. Indian railways has already completed 45,881 kilometres electrification and targets complete electrification by 2025 67,956 kilometres track length
Why? It's a great idea
I got the feeling most will end up in yard service. I just don't believe during an entire trip that locomotive car recharge the battery significantly enough. It may become more of a logistical nightmare when it comes to servicing the unit. When i mean servicing you can turn a diesel for it's next trip in a matter of minutes and that is more important to the transportation industry. Just look at how fast airlines turn planes. The odor of the people that were previously on the last flight that landed about 40 minutes ago is still in the cabin. Back to the locomotives, what happens when the cable get broken while still attached to the locomotive? I'ts going to happen somewhere. And the type of train it's deployed on matters too. What about in the event of an severe accident? These batteries have the potential to kill a person and start fires.
@@BossSpringsteen69 It will use the braking energy from the other locomotives to recharge. It’s made to work in tandem with them, not alone.
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How many such locomotives are there?
Barley and railroads Wont be going Electric anytime soon in America You may think this would work but This only Gpod for Some Tadk but not major tasks
Well the hybrids were junk and we've been using them for about 10 years. If the locomotive companies purchase these independent electrics under a grant and, over time and, these units become unreliable they have to honor the grant or risk paying it back. Right now there is a lot of hype and excitement over something that has yet to be proven with concerning reliability and practicality.
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Diesel electric is better
Yeah fully battery electric locomotive designs are not ready yet and probably will not be for at least 20 years.
Bruh why can't talk just get a ES44AC or sd70 and just put flex drive in there
Enough with the false bs of batteries. A hybrid would have been a better setup or run the locomotives off natural gas instead of diesel.
The standard diesel locomotives they've been using for years are already hybrids. First one was in the 1920s I think? So you know. Your idea is 100 years too late.
@@timhansen46 there always has to be some douchebag like yourself opening your mouth without having a clue to what you're talking about look up railpower gg20b switcher. Hybrid diesel electric with battery bank it was done over 10 years ago but you wouldn't know too busy running your big mouth like that moron president we have.
@@faststang85 funny I was gonna say the same thing about you. Nothing about my statement was false. And you're the one using words like "bs" and "douchebag". So stop crying like you're a victim.
@@timhansen46 not a victim, just calling out people like you who think they know it all. Now tell me again they don't make a hybrid battery electric locomotive ....
@@faststang85 Ultimately your original statement was "hybrid" not "railpower gg20b switcher hybrid electric" so again nothing about my statement was false. Oh and it looks like the train you mention has some "false bs of batteries" in it.
Can you put the flx drive on any locomotive chassis?
Any locomotive can have one. The green goat had the same setup on a GP/9 frame.
This is not the future lmfao
It has ge locomotive parts
It's because either GE is apart of it or they get permission from GE, Same with the one of the Chinese Chinese locomotive whi ch had GEVO contour parts
Great, the normies like it. End me
The entire GECX 3000 project is all wishfull thinking. This is not a friendly alternative for optimizing operation. The way I see it.... you may reduce emissions from the locomotive, but the locomotive is now a moving lithium bomb waiting to explode and cause 5 million in ground contamination in its first derailment, and it slows down operation long distance....