SIGMA FP in 2023?! Watch this BEFORE you buy!
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- Today we're looking at a camera that has been one of the most misunderstood releases in recent years, the Sigma FP! It's a budget friendly "cinema" camera with BEAUTIFUL image quality and a few quirks. Enjoy!
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The true successor to the OG BMPCC!
I've heard that before! I'd love to get my hands on the OG one day😍
I should have known I would click on a video and see Phillip already commented 😂 what’s up man?!
The OG BMPCC and the 2.5K BM Cinema Camera have the best looking sensors of any BlackMagic camera, imo. Same sensor manufacturer too. The PCC still holds up today...crazy.
srill got an og :D i own the 4k aswell but i love to use the og
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Great job making this video. Keep it up man. Thank you for your time.
Thank you for the support Kevin! This is a great community I love creating for👊🏼
I've been a Sigma appreciator for awhile now, starting with the DP1, then a DP2M, then an SD Quattro, now an FP (and a second FP). For my minimalist videos, MOV is fine, and I love the look of the end result, usually using Teal and Orange -3. Ah, if only it had a simple flippy screen like the camera I was using, a Canon M100. So I've got one with a SmallRig cage, Atomos Shinobi, external mic, and Samsung T5. I also have the LVF-11 director's viewfinder (really just a hood for the back screen) which is suprisingly immersive, but adds bulk (but little weight). I use a Sigma MC-21 adapter to use my SA-mount Art lenses with the L-mount with full automation, which works well but again, adds bulk. The FP is also my stills camera of choice, with really great dynamic range. No IBIS, but the 24-105 f/4 Art does have OIS, though it's really heavy. I also have a Pentax 645Z, and the FP provides surprisingly satisfying results with a similar look, and is more fun to use. So even though I rarely use CinemaDNG, I love the camera and get a lot of satisfaction using it. It makes good use of my existing lenses, the P645 A-series lenses (which feel great and have a 'look' but make you appreciate the sharpness of the modern Art lenses) with an adapter, and others. I also use it as my Web cam with Zoom, with great results. So - it's quirky, but I love it. And rarely use CinemaDNG.
-Tom
Tom this is great insight and it sounds like you've got a SERIOUS rig! haha Thanks so much for the support🙏🏼
I agree, Garrett: the CDNG is why I like it so much. I can overlook everything else. Grading it is a total pleasure and the results surpass almost everything I've used, unless you're talking about high-end cine cams. I'm shooting it with old Leica and Contax Zeiss lenses. I am definitely in the FP club
It's a powerful little thing for sure. I would LOVE to see some of your footage with it and your Leica and Zeiss glass! Thanks so much for the support🙏🏼
I really hope that if they ever make an FP 2, they include IBIS and some form of compressed RAW codec and a 10 bit H265 mode. I don't even mind rigging out a small camera since you can create many different forms with it, but a tilting screen is also something I hope they look into.
These things would definitely be handy! Have you looked into after market tilt screens? I watched a video a few days ago and if I can find it i'll drop the link but it was incredible!
Agreed. I don't need to shoot Raw all the time.
Great video Garrett!
Thanks so much for the support!🙏🏼
Thank you for the review! Very helpful in helping me make a decision. Wished you had talked a bit more about its use for stills.
I'm glad I was able to help! I do wish I had a bit more time with it to shoot some stills. I've heard its RAW files in photo are gorgeous! Thanks so much for the support🙏🏼
It's beautiful for stills. However, the added viewfinder makes it a lot easier to use for stills. Not so much for video.
Love my fp. The great thing about it is its versatility. You start small, and either use it small or build it out however you like. I'm coming from my last camera being a canon eos m with magic lantern, so I started out using tiny ass cameras lol. It just feels like a natural step up from that experience. Great video, I'm going to have to check out that guy's color grading videos!
I would love to get my hands on an EOS M with magic lantern. That seems like it would be such a fun little guy to have in a pocket or small bag. FP definitely shares in the versatility department! Thanks so much for the support👊🏼
El zone & built in ND filter - iso 6, sounds great.
Nice video. Yours along with the others definitely provides the full breadth of what you must be willing to deal with when getting a FP. That said, Sigma from the outset in their concept video, show that the enduser must know how they are going to use it. If you're going to do long form, docs or high-quality work, it's a given that you're going rig it out just like you'd have to do with a Komodo/Raptor, Arri or whatever. It's a given. Event if you use it to take quality photography it stands in the arena with the Leica's, etc. If you commit to an FP, you're committing to whatever niche you're going to apply it and you know going in what the limitations. This little powerhouse can adapt to whatever you're 'thoughtfully' doing. It's not the end-all by any means, but it is a very capable use-in-all circumstances device.
Thanks for the video. I look forward to seeing anything else you have created on this product. I'm interested in getting one to add to my Fuji XT4 but, there's a rumor that Sigma has another camera about to be release. That was hinted last year and this may be the window that we see something.
You're exactly right! There truly is no "perfect" camera straight out of the box for every situation. Heck, the 6KP is about the closest I can think of to a ready to rock setup and i still rig mine for all of our client work. haha I actually feel bad for the FP because it got so much hate at it's release by folks who don't understand it. Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
@@GarrettWare Additional, Sigma, with this new 60-600mm Zoom with OS stabilization in the lens, I'm sure makes the Fp or Fp L even more attractive. I'm hoping try that combo and let's us see.
Great breakdown man! Glad you have you in the #fpFam
Thanks brother! Unfortunately I had only borrowed this one, but now I'm on the hunt for a deal on one. Its a powerful little thing💪🏼 Btw, keep up the good work in the FB Group!
@@GarrettWare hell yeah! Dude stop
By the channel at some point. Got a back log of like 2 years on this little tank, good luck with the hunt!
The framing, lighting, and coloring on this talking head video is absolutely stunning. How did you achieve this look - I'm particularly interested in the lighting and coloring.
Thank you for the kind words! This was shot in studio using a Nanlight 300b as my key, a 5 in 1 reflector(black side to add contrast to my shadow side), and an RGB tube set to 2700k as my backlight(motivated by the lamp in frame). Hope this helps!🙏🏼
I just love this camera so much.. I got really into it when it hit the shelves, but eventually got the Fp-L last year. i don’t regret it! Its small form factor is great when on the street for location scouting and i don’t want to burn either 135 nor 120 film. I used to shoot my first 2 short dance films. I’m now rigging it up to make the best of it. Also, worth mentioning this video with Pawel Achtel ACS who worked on the underwater cameras for Avatar II, and praised the accuracy of the Fp sensor vs the Arri!! A video worth checking out for those who’d doubt the capabilities of this little monster..
Do you happen to have a link to that video?! Would love to see it talked about with the big boys like Arri! Also, when comparing the FP to the FP-L what are some of the biggest advantages/disadvantages to each of them? Thanks so much for the support!
@@GarrettWare czcams.com/video/D-nXKap0A78/video.html my bad, it was the Fp sensor compared to the Venice, not the Arri!
Regardless, the Fp sensor is pretty damn good imo..
I got the Fp-L because I’m also a photographer. It’s actually my first digital camera - also, it was the last one available in Australia for a while..
FP L has worse low light and rolling shutter, it has the optical low pass filter, and the lossless digital zoom. Tough to choose which is the more attractive camera.
Cons IMO: no IBIS (or gyro data), no log profile for properly viewing exposure/dynamic range. I use two FPs for my professional work with the Blackmagic Video Assist 12G. I prefer the image over Blackmagic's cameras.
I'd like to try it with the video assist! What are your preferences with the image over BM? Just curious! Thanks for the support🙏🏼
@@GarrettWare I had the 6K Pro. I thought that the image was too noisy and the sensor had light banding issues (particularly noticeable with blinds in a shot). Also really bad in low light. I also didn't like how big it was. I like the crisper image out of the FP. The internal ND filters were great though.
Really it's a close call for me, but I do prefer the FPs.
Are you still running this set up? My limited understanding is that it is hard to expose using the video assist. Do you have any problems with this?
@@dangerrayy I still use it as my B-cam setup. It is difficult. You essentially have to guess, but underexposed footage recovers so well that I've never had a problem.
@@thepropolys thanks for the reply
Use slimraw to compress into the workstation and a solid proxy workflow during cutting and you can somewhat alleviate the huge file sizes. Also, rigging it up is a part of the fun imo.
I would like to test slimraw with the files I have from my time with it. And rigging is definitely a fun thing for folks like me who never wanted to put legos away haha thanks so much for the support!
Could also grade from the SSD, and save to ProRes on your workstation/server. Depending on your workflow.
Thanks for the most recent video on CZcams. I recently purchased this camera but have to decide whether to use a PC or Mac studio to do editing. What do you suggest is best? Thanks
I've had a great experience with my M1 MacBook pro but the cost for one is quite high☹️ I had a decently built PC that handled everything I threw at it as well!
As full frame it's damn adaptable to a lot of lovely vintage lenses, Pentax K, Exacta, Oly OM, the Flects.
The lens I kept glued to this thing the whole time I tested it was a dang Canon 50mm FD from the 70's and it's straight BUTTER!
Great video man. Can you tell me if the mic input allows for both mic and line level audio? I bake my audio in from an external sound device using line level, is why. Thank you.
Great question! Unfortunately, i'm unsure on this one as I usually record externally and just sync in post. Thanks for the support!
Thanks for the shoutout my friend! Great work!
Thanks Dylan! You're leading the way with the FP crew and the justice you've given it over on your channel👊🏼
@@GarrettWare Same to you! That's one of the things I'm beginning to love most about it actually - the community surrounding it. It's so cool to see creators like yourself and others talk about why they love it and what a special camera it is. It STILL baffles me that, despite its "flaws," I'm still drawn to that little guy and get excited about using it.
Hi Garrett! Thanks for representing sigma fp. Just wondering what lens is mounted on this video?
Ahhhhhh I have the magical Canon FD 50mm F1.8 on the FP! Probably one of my favorite lenses of all time😃 Thanks so much for the support!
I shoot mov all the time on fp, i find 4k mov is still very adjustable in post. I love the way it renders image. Gonna use it for a long time
I would dare say the file sizes are much more manageable as well! Do you notice a huge drop off in highlight retention in super bright situations by chance with there being no log?
@@GarrettWare i would say yes, but i always underexpose anyway, shadow recovery is always fp strength.
Best bit is seeing a good dad playing with his boy.
Do you only one type of codec? No other options in body?
How much better/worse is the Cinema DNG from this compared to RedCode?
Amazing camera - I use the GH5S, GH6, Lumix S1, Sony A7IV and Sigma fp - You have to also talk about how good the low-light performance is in the fp, it is amazing especially when you count in the extra pushing power of editing and grading of 12bit RAW in CinemaDNG, the footage you get from this thing is beautiful! Also the 4k all-intra mov footage from this is good too. I love this camera! I've actually ordered another one.
I didn't get to do any low light testing with it as my time was short before returning it to my friend, but I have seen others talk on how great it is in less than lit situations! And yes, the 12-bit blows my mind haha
@@GarrettWarewith all of the cameras you’ve listed, how does the FP stand in terms of image quality?
Do you have issue with color grading the footage with your other cameras
@@titusnixon I find it easier to grade the RAW footage, than grading LOG footage - although I find myself shooting LOG footage more to save time, I much prefer the RAW footage from the FP than any LOG footage, the LOG footage out of all the cameras I have I find the footage from LUMIX GH5S, and S1, and S5IIX the best to work with. SONY A7IV I love the photos from it, but the SLOG video footage from that is not as good as the LUMIX VLOG.
@@SuchetB thanks for the insight
CANNOT WAIT to eventually get my Sigma FP setup😎😎🤘🤘
I'd love to see it when you do!
It's a cine camera and not meant for vloggers who reviewed them for the purposes of vlogging that it wasn't meant for. They misunderstood the use of the fp...
I can agree with that. It definitely would benefit from the rigging and being used on non vlog content. Thanks for the support🙏🏼
Imagine if you could put a point and shoot type lens on it and it would become the world most overkill point and shoot camera
I think that sounds like an absolute blast! Haha thanks for the support🙏🏼
It's a great stills camera. It's also a great studio (video) camera. I have made a lot of CZcams videos with mine. You can see the screen and focus better indoors. I also film for a while and dump off the data using Slimraw every time I take a break. So I only have one 2TB Samsung SSD to shoot and a Lacie SSD for editing. I back up my footage to standard WD My Passport drives (very cheap).
Its definitely a beast! I'm trying to find a good used example to nab for myself. How are you liking the Slimraw workflow? Any noticeable loss in quality? Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
@@GarrettWare Not that I've seen. My films are short (3 to 15 minutes) so I can work without slimraw if I want, but usually use it.
Sigma fp’s form factor and its modularity is what made this Camera great. Different projects equals different setups. That is what its appeal. The battery and screen issues. Isn’t that an universal camera con? Sigma fp truely rely on external accessories. Thus CAD files are available so you can mod your Sigma fp to your liking. 3th party solutions like from Dark power laboratory accessories are genius. Though commercial 3th party accessories lacks like DJI ronin gimbal. They gave a choice either you record cinemaDNG to external ssd or DJI controls from the grip. Why? Another con is audio. But that is for another time behaps.
Very good points indeed Mico! I think we can all agree there really is no such thing as a perfect camera. The FP is an example of one that I think appeals to a much smaller range of folks than offerings from other companies (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). I was amazed at how much 3rd party support there was for it along with how well Sigma themselves back it up. Thanks for the support🙏
We're making a movie with the Alexa 35 right now. The footage is stunning. But the DoP is cooing all over the images coming out of the Sigma FP. If we need a B-Cam, it's in the running now. I think that speaks for itself.
That is amazing!! It's hard to fathom the fact that we live in a time where a camera that fits in the palm is shooting next to an Arri flagship🤯
@@GarrettWare I took it to the set one day, a really dense steampunky set with an amazing lighting set up - to test out the image - as I've never seen anyone use it on a mainstream professionally lit set. As I was half expecting, the image was stunning. It's a shame that this amazing camera still remains a relative secret from the world, as it really is a one of a kind.
@@globalturfwar would love to see some screen grabs!
@@GarrettWare I think when the movie comes out, will be able to send some over.
So what's the second best option? :)
On principal I try and use as much OpenSource software as I can. The FP has downsides but I don't want to deal with people who horde RAW technology (or any) so I think those downside are not so bad considering the camera is also just good. I use to want to shoot on Red but no more.
Honestly with the capabilities this camera has at the price point it's as good of a choice as any RED I've seen for most scenarios!
I use my 5D III with magic lantern shooting 1080p full frame 14 bit RAW CNDG files. It looks amazing and there is no need for external SSD. I record RAW in my CF card and h264 in my SD giving the ability to playback my files in-camera and have an emergency copy in case something goes wrong with magic lantern files. The battery lasts about 3-4 hours when shooting raw so there is no need for external solution. I do have an cheap external monitor though so I can have access to exposure tools and manual focus assist with a click of a button.
P.S I never had a problem with magic lantern files though.
Oh man magic lantern is a game changer for the Canon bodies! I've seen some amazing work using that workflow. Would love to see some of your examples!
@@GarrettWare I will upload a video I am working on a about a month. It will be in a new account though. If I'll remember it I will reply here with the link.
@@GarrettWareHello! I finally uploaded a video showcasing the power of 1080p 14-bit CDNG RAW. You can check it out below if you wish!
czcams.com/video/1wDrq4lnCFI/video.htmlsi=f4G9x_UwPM0mCSF6
I’ll be picking this camera up in a few weeks.
Congrats! I think you're gonna enjoy it👊🏼
I love this camera and have rigged out 2, one for lightweight documentary and travel and the other rigged to the 9's for regular work. Alas I saw it included on the list of potential abandoned cameras for 2023 over on the FRAME VOYAGER channel. I feel this camera has too dedicated of following on Social Media to be discounted, (although you will see SmallRig and others discontinuing products for the Sigma fp).
I really hope third party companies stick around for the FP. It is so powerful! I've been amazed at how tight knit the FP following is and feel fortunate to have had my hands on it even if just for a little bit. I'm keeping my eyes open for one at a good deal because I have some passion projects in mind that it would shine with. Thanks so much for the support!
Im in love with my fp! Can't get that quality and real detail from any other raw format. Also DNG files ar amazing and easy to work with i can edit straight from usb3.2 ssd on my 2011 windows pc :D
DNG is amazing despite how data hungry it is haha!
@@GarrettWare I knew what I was getting into even 1 year before i bought it :)
I have a Sigma FP and a Panasonic S1. I like the Sigma Image and the weight. Bust no movable Display, no ibis Stabilization is a problem for me also the weak Autofocus. The file sizes is a problem to, for me. Gimbel is a must for the Sigma. I use it with a Gimbel + Blackmagic Video asist 12g.
The FP certainly has some quirks and workarounds, but its so powerful at the same time. I bet its a killer pairing with the S1!
@@GarrettWare i'm a rookie. I did my first video. I used both. The S1 did handhielded + in ow light a really good job. But i must say the sigma, the takes with a Gimbel that are in focus have a really good image look. (I shot in Rec.709 - Prores HQ) more cinema like the S1 (shot not in V-Log). I tought that i sell my Sigma FP, but now I keep it :)
Thank you!
Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
Shooting on the Fp for about half a year now, shot three short films a half hour short and multiple other projects on it and most of them without an external ssd. How about shooting 1080p Full Hd 12Bit raw. Can be done onto internal sd cards, offers a way to use the camera as barebones as possible or for example with the Lvf that sigma makes as a proper super8/16 style camera with a pistol grip
Oh man this is EXCELLENT information! It didn't occur to me that 1080p was full 12-bit internal🤯 I would love to see that setup as well. I love the way the old pistol grip Super 16s look. Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
@@GarrettWare yeah kinda shines a totally different light on the camera a lot of people seem to overlook. You can literally shoot cinema grade footage anywhere, whilst looking like a tourist even, with just the fp and a good stabilized zoom for example.
There is line skipping in the 1080p mode and the quality definitely isn't good. I've tried a few times, but both my S1 and BMMCC produce a much higher quality 1080p image.
You can shoot internally CDNG 12 bit, but limited to 1080p
You're right! I wish I would've known during my testing and I would have compared file sizes, quality, etc. Thanks so much for the support!
I've been eyeing this camera for a long time. Most of us will never need 12-bit raw due to a lot of content being viewed on mobile devices. I don't think there's appreciable difference unless content is viewed on larger screens. For what it is, I think Sigma fp is a great camera. I might buy it if I find ways to justify the investment.
Very good viewpoint! I think with workflows like SlimRAW and now BRAW recording with the video assist it makes the FP more practical indeed. But you are correct, 99% of us will rarely or almost never need full Cine DNG. Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
Good video. Except for the background music. Thanks. toronto canada
Thank you for the feedback! I appreciate the support🙏🏼
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Thank you🙏🏼
Holy smoke, you have to pay to play somewhere in this equation! A $60 usb-c to m2 adapter and a sandisk 970evo 2tb SSD will capture plenty of long form content and you’d be foolish not to “rig it out” with smallrig frame, battery, and top handle. If you hate on this camera, you’ve not used one and/or had the correct frame of mind of its intended purpose - if rolling shutter is an issue, use a gimbal, but there are plenty of examples of how good this camera is for true cinematic work...
Even if you feel like DSLR is the answer, value for money: good luck with that over heating or half hour limit on recording issue - this camera for video and stills is a beast as long as it has power and a place to dump its data.
Good points indeed! This thing is made for serious jobs👊🏼
Very Nice Camera
It's freaking killer!
can record 12bit HD internally bro,..
I don’t know who would buy this camera and not rig it out. it seems purpose built for true filmmaking, and not CZcams content creation. After having used it for a couple days, it seems unbeatable for narrative filmmaking at a fraction of a price of something like RED or ARRI. I think with the right lens choice, even with an EF adapter, this camera has a really unique look and is definitely a competitor with the black magic cinema camera if you are using it to make an actual film or video that is focused on purely visuals/pretty pictures. ✨
I can agree! It HAS to (in my opinion) be rigged to a degree to be functional in a real working environment. I think it's a stellar option for a "small" package. Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
Thanks for your review of the FP. What I like best best from this camera is the color science. Hands down, regardless of file format. It's worth learning the quirks. Pair it with the Panasonic 5S (as good or better color straight out of the camera) both use the Leica mount. As an added bonus the FP and 5S are over the top IQ for still photography. The FP is easier to use with the added viewfinder for still photography. Nothing comes close to the image quality at this price point for either camera.
Oh I bet that is a killer pairing with the S5! I think a lot of people sleep on the FP because of its negatives, but I was so impressed with it. Quirks typically don't bother me as I enjoy the challenge of mastering a new tool. I would love to spend more time with the FP in the future. Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
what if, one attach this camera with iflight cinelifters drones?
That would actually be a GREAT use case for this camera with it being so small and light weight!
BUT... it's still an incredible camera ALSO for weddings due to the fact that You can extrapolate HiRes RAW Photos from every frame of Your footage which are obviously much more spontaneous than shooting fotos separately... so it's two in one :-)
Oh I love that point!
I considered this camera but you point out the downsides. Pointless recording internally, so you need to rig an external drive. Small fixed screen, so you need an external monitor. No EVF either. At this point you have a significantly larger and more expensive camera, not the tiny body Sigma presents.
So instead I bought a Lumix S which has the same external record options (ProRes to Ninja, BRAW to Blackmagic Assist) but which is actually useful with no further rigging. It has an articulated screen, EVF, 10-bit LOG internal plus reasonable file sizes, amazing anamorphic support, many cool stills features, AF in video... need I go on? I don't think that Panasonic get the recognition they deserve for their hybrid cameras.
How about auto focus?
When I had the FP for testing I actually only used my manual focus Canon FD lenses. Apologies I can't report on the AF performance🥲
DNG is advantage not cons,storage it is not a issues today anymore.
DNG is definitely an advantage!
One of the guys you pointed out, dumped the fp the next month.
I’d definitely use it for concerts
What lens do you want to use?
Fisheye lenses
Am waiting for the (hopefully) 2023 update.
What features would you want most in an update? Out of curiosity
I like to record UHD 12 bit into the sd card(300MB speed).
Do you find it still to be flexible in post production for coloring?
@@GarrettWare I mean FHD 12bit.
I love my fp.
It's a freaking powerful little thing!
Bought it.
OHHHHHHH IM JEALOUS!
The problem is that it’s not available in good price here in Europe.
That's a bummer! What are the typical prices for one right now if you dont mind me asking?
Here in the Nordics at least: 1899€ or ~2040$ at the moment.
@@MiksuLaine good grief I didn't realize there was such a huge jump in price!
@@MiksuLaine here in greece its not available at all!
It was being sold at 999€ in a lot of stores in Europe by the end of the year, that's where I bought mine.
I don't know if it's still being sold at 999€ anywhere but try to search various stores across Europe, bought mine from a spanish store.
It used to be way cheaper. It's way too expensive now.
Yeah, what he said...
Thanks for the support!🙏🏼
No IBIS on these, correct?
Correct!
@@GarrettWare Thanks :)
This camera seems to be the only camera with true uncompressed RAW. All other cameras except the ARRI cameras have compressed or partially debayered RAW formats that don't actually behave like RAW. Going from the Blackmagic CinemaDNG in the OG lineup to these new RAW formats has been quite annoying.
If you've ever graded ARRI Alexa RAW footage you'll know what I mean.
Im waiting for a new one…
he forgot to mention the beautiful photos you can get
I wish I had more time with it to explore the photo capabilities! I've heard quite a few folks talk about how good it is. Thanks for the support🙏🏼
don't watch it, and buy it istantly! I am jocking, brilliant review.
Glad you enjoyed it and I appreciate the support🙏🏼
Oh. Didn`t know, It`s able to record BRaw and ProRes externaly. But as you said: If you go with it, you have to rig it up. I like Caleb`s build (czcams.com/video/bSpGfRyFZsg/video.html).
The great thing about this camera is CDNG and full frame, not the size.
25gb/ min absolutely insane
It's definitely hefty😂
Red cinema is watching 🤫
Lips are sealed🙊
I dont care about size, its the only full frame 12bit raw camera for $1500...
You're not wrong at all! Close second would be the BMPCC cams but obviously no full frame options at that price point
Update for 2024: still sick
Agreed! Haha
sheeeesh.. 25gb for 1 min of screentime ain't it.. at least not for me. I thought the BM Cameras were data hogs, but they look like efficient data boogers comparatively speaking.
Definitely not practical without the SlimRAW or BRaw workflow!
pity about the strong bass music. can hardly be listened to.
Apologies, as I may have mixed the music a bit too hot. Thanks for the support!
I didn't get why every camera on the planet is reviewed in the frames of content creation. This camera is not for all this clowns around, creating "cinematic"videos. This camera is aimed to be for real film production, for indie project and etc.
You're correct! It is a camera geared primarily for productions large and small. I think the time that we are in is exciting though because these tools are now available to more people than ever! Clearly this is not a vloggers camera but how cool is it that we now have a package this small and affordable that could be a gateway to a kid picking a camera up and wanting to go shoot a movie?! Thanks for the support🙏🏼
Pro tip: don’t buy
Oh that hurt🤣
you speak too fast impossible to understain
Thank you for the feedback! Apologies on my end
For anyone here that worked with both camcorders and cinema cameras around 1500-3500 dollar range can you please advice me
I am looking for a camera for documentary work, but I am not into "news style work", instead I want to create poetic mood documentaries and sometimes use long exposures of people and streets to create blur and symbolism...
I been looking into the AG CX10 as well as the HC X2..
I also looked into the Sigma FP and the Black Magic pocket cameras, both the 4K and the 6K
can any of these cameras do long exposure like the Russian photographer Alexey Titarenko did, but now in video/cinema camera work?
so that one see people and traffic dragged out like smoke in a symbolic way ?
I like what the Russian photographer did in his way of symbolically express people in protests, and want to do something similar but in motion.
look here and please when anyone that really know cameras got some time please get back to me and let me know what cameras would be great for this and for documentary work of catching people in protests, making them stand out like in Street photography but now in motion, video/cinema cameras vs camcorders, and tell me which cameras can do this way of filming that this photographer did in the 1900 century with still photography.
czcams.com/video/XHOfLvJgJ2Y/video.html
thanks!
Oh that example video you linked was excellent! I would recommend thinking on a couple of things before purchasing a body for doc work.
1.) The BlackMagic system is one of my absolute favorites to work with due to its beautiful image, ease of use, HOWEVER, in recent doc work i've been on the data rates are eating me alive haha. To the tune of TERABYTES of footage. If this is no issue to you, then yes, the P4K, or P6K are wonderful and have so many utilities that a doc shooter would love (built in ND, false colors, etc)
2.) If you need a lighter setup, but still want quality image, I cant say enough good things about the Lumix ecosystem. If you're not into their hybrid bodies, I know the EVA-1 is a dream and can be had on the used market at a fair price. It shoots manageable data rates straight to SD cards as well.
As far as the "shutter drag" effect you're referencing in your example, most cameras now have the ability to change shutter degree/angle to help achieve this, as well as tools within editing softwares
Hope this helps and good luck!
@@GarrettWare thanks for getting back! yes, I saw the EVA also on eBay... must say as I have not touched cameras much at all since 2013-2014 ... all these new cameras makes me fel overwhelmed...
the P4K does it have false color and built in ND filters just like the P6k PRO does, or is that where they go apart on features today? ....
I just saw that Black Magic is going to release a new pocket camera in L format ..
- do you believe this will be a camera on a level in between the 4k and the 6k pro or at what level will that camera be financially speaking?...
I saved up some money and sold a lot of old things...
but, as I still have the gh3 and three lenses to it I am not sure if is better to sell all those and spend the money on a full frame camera like the 6K pro (super 35?) or similar or Sigma FP (only RAW is an economic issue?) than keeping the micro 4/3 lenses and buy a P4k or a Gh5S or Gh6 (have not heard so good things about it?) for the money and be happy enough with the micro 4/3 format and its' lack for depth of field and all the low light issues I already had with the gh3 that I guess lives on in the gh5s to a less extent but still present in comparison to full format cameras? ...
I also wonder if you happen to know if there is an actual good documentary camcorder in 4/3 micro format that could take my present lenses or if no one ever made a 4/3 micro format camcorder ? ...
seems like is a missing piece n the amount of cameras that came out since the 4/3 micros started in 2012...
thanks for getting back! ...
- feel seriously overwhelmed by all cameras today, jumping around in decisions between cameras like the P4K I find around 800 dollars and the HC X2 camcorder around 3200 dollars or like the smaller but newer Sigma FP around 1700 dollars...
is really hard when you are not working with all these cameras on set to set one apart form the other and directly say, OK; wow, that one will do the work I want to achieve! ... ha ha..
- any advices you can think of I will surely be thankful! Kind regards, Christopher