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But half the stuff in your home is made in China. If you want All American for just as good a quality and less money look into In-tech campers, you won’t be disappointed.
So let me get this straight: Most of the manufacturing process is done in china but the trailer is still the most expensive one on the market? Yeah no thanks.
What’s the standard on domestic parts content for other trailer manufacturers? I’d think these days lots of materials and components come from China regardless of trailer brand.
I bought my first house, 3 bedroom 2 bath 2 car garage 1/3 acre for 89k. I like the camper, but I cant justify spending that much on a camper. The same reason I wont buy a rooftop tent. Its not a trailer for everybody, I dont know anybody who could afford a 95k tow behind trailer.
This is expensive. I'd never buy a Chinese trailer when so many good ones made in USA. Liked the suspension but interior looked very low rent for $95K. This one is a bad deal I'd avoid.
That price is insane. We have a Rockwood Roo 233 hybrid that we bought for $6k last Fall. A new one goes for about $25k. I know this camper has special suspension and some other bits, but not $70k worth. Plus of course my camper was entirely built in the US.
Right there with you. Made as inexpensively as possible in China, shipped here and marked so high that you could buy a new truck and camper for the same money!!!
@@freethinkingamerican80 Sure you can. My 2009 has most of what that camper has, nice stove, microwave, fridge with separate freezer, heated mattresses, DVD player, exterior speakers, nice retractable awning. I don't have the ground clearance or solar panels, but I don't need to overland and I could add thr panels for a few hundred dollars.
@@RandomGuyDan No US Travel Trailers disintegrate in Australia. Chinese Off Roader vastly more durable, but again it is Chinese and you do not know if it will fail when you least expect it.
BAM! Mic drop! %100 Mr. Maher! And parts are available. And the resale is amazing. And other than off road ability, an Airstream is so far above this “black series”, there’s no competition.
Just so ya know I had an airstream and it was a terrible trailer...... expensive cold and not that light.... oh and lots of things failed first year and company told me to f off. I hate that company
@@DaleH2o when you spend that kind of money most people will defend their purchase no matter what.... I was one until I said heck no this is not ok.... I traded it in got a great price (thankfully it was a pandemic going on so I got top price) and got a trailer with way more space, nicer, and everything works properly. I would never go down the airstream road again but they have a very nostalgic feel that you can't get really anywhere else.... that to some folks is where it's at... right on happy trails!
Frame and suspension system are impressive but, @$95k, I kind of expected a LOT more premium everywhere else. Then there’s the involvement with China, $95k strikes me as an entirely built in USA price.
Rv trader has a used 2021 HQ19 for $54,900 so you’re telling me after taxes you would lose roughly half after the first year? I know RVs depreciate a ton, but that’s excessive. 🤯
I like the looks of these. For $95,000 I would have thought they were 100% built in Australia? I recently saw a brand new 100% American made off road camper trailer company called Ember a few months ago. It had the same Australian style trailing arm suspension but made in Indiana. Both are beautiful but the competition is growing now more than ever.
I looked at the Ember as well. Cool design and it does have a slide-out option which would make me nervous for an all-terrain trailer. One thing that is a concern in the design of the Ember is the departure angle and the length from the hitch to the tongue box is way too short.
Ninety-five thousand dollars…. For an “off road” trailer…. Anyone ever have to back up off-road? Yup. Good luck backing up when you get stuck. Oh, and “Made in China” is the final nail.
I'm so glad these came down in price. Love the maple interior. The sandy beige cabinets with black furniture are gorgeous. And the outside is macho. Perfect combo.❤
I had an HQ12 for awhile, one of the first brought into the USA. Like most trailers there were lots of issues (the worst of which was dangerous trailer sway resulting from poor weight distribution). Once I got the problems ironed out it was pretty cool and I had some fun, but the offroad ability comes at a cost. They are very heavy, so you need a big truck to tow them. Even if the weight is within your vehicle's towing range, plan to be well under that limit for any offroading. After owning one I would rather get something smaller and lighter.
Also, the polyblock hitch suuuuucks. Very difficult to connect or disconnect when on anything other than flat ground because otherwise the pin ends up binding. Also much harder than a ball hitch to line up and connect.
Another note ... discounting it because it's made in China and not USA doesn't really track. The vast majority of US made campers are garbage and barely road worthy. The Black Series had it's flaws but the chassis was solid (which is an understatement).
Thank You Andre, I have been watching ROA out of UT for over a year and they never once mentioned these were manufactured in China. I will admit high quality but will look for an American made version, like maybe Ember whom is up and coming. Still love your RV series though as you speak the truth..
LMAO. China. LMAO There is 1 constant themed idealism when it comes to camping sources, Americans don't want to pay high $$$ figures for foreign products. Cheap people can compromise for cheap prices on cheap products from that country, but you won't find the masses running to the Black Series showroom at those prices. ;) Thank you so much for the real world honesty on the source here. This is what I appreciate about TFL.
I own a new 2021 HQ19 and even though I’ve only used it twice, it seems quite nice and capable. It is unlike any other camper and is nicely equipped. I would like to mention that while the MSRP is $95k, it should be able to be had for about $60-$65k. From what I have seen, like most other campers, there is a considerable markup, usually 40 to 50%. I have not noticed any problems with quality yet, but time will tell. The unit does have a good warranty and people online seem to get satisfaction from the company on warranty items. When buying this unit, I considered the Outdoors RV Back country series. While it was about $10k less in price comparably equipped, it had conventional straight axles. I liked the Black Series independent suspension. I did not want an Indiana made unit, they have big quality problems and are packed with Chinese stuff as well. From what I’ve read the Outdoor RV units have better quality that most other camper brands and are made in Oregon. However, no other brand offers as heavy as a frame and suspension as Black Series. The video did not mention much about the HQ19 having 400-600 amp hours of battery and a 2000 watt inverter to compliment the 600 watts of solar cells, it is nearly totally off grid out of the box. This caravan pulls great, even in wind behind my 2020 Ram ¾ ton Cummins and only reduces my mileage by about 20% with no sway bar. I like the way I can just pull over about anywhere (that’s allowed), and camp. I have read that the two wheeled versions do sway a lot. As I said, time will tell how it holds up but I have owned many other campers and my HQ19 does seem to be better made than many others new ones made in the last 15 or so years. Thanks TFL for the video, I learned a lot and thanks for not pulling any punches on your review. It will be interesting so see more on your experience with the HQ19 caravan.
I saw one of these last year and the owner was NOT pleased with the build quality. The supposed galvanized frame was flaking off in big sections and starting to rust. He said it was a continuous process of systems not working, leaks in the water system and windows that leaked as well.
Yeah, the margins on these at 95K are probably like 65% after shipping. Id rather support a US made offroad camper. Not a bad camper but I think you would see a higher quality made here.
@@mikefoehr235 Yes a case you get what you pay for. "Black Series" type of Off Roaders cost roughly Aus $50,000 here, you can go up to $200,000 but you are towing a very high tech " house"
I got a bunch of them, I got one on each keyset, one in each vehicle, and 1 in the bottom of each toolbox, underneath the drawers where they'll have to take the box apart to get to it.
I tried to buy an HQ15 last year. All 8 on the lot had tons of defects. Water in windows, peeling and broken door. Salesman asked me not to buy one. She said they all come back for repairs within 2 weeks. So sad. I was ready to buy.
If your wise enough to buy such a rig you and it deserve one another. Your looking at something I don't care the cost will shake apart after just the slightest use. I heard it described this way about campers. Imagine your house going thru a minor earthquake every single day. That is what happens when you tow a camper. Now do that off road well you just add to the mayhem possible. 95 thousand my god that is insane.
It's Chinesium so no way would I touch one. Having had the terrible job in college of detailing RVs in the summer heat of the northern Sacramento Valley outside for $7.50/hr (worst job ever) I learned about RV quality. What I found was nearly all towed units were built to such a poor standard I would never buy one. Things have improved somewhat since then but not a great deal. There are newer OEMs out there probably trying to make a name for quality but the stuff you could buy 20 years ago was junk. I found that until you stepped up to a diesel coach (tour bus type RV) the quality and fit and finish suffered. Once in that diesel pusher territory it got a lot better but in those days that was $200K at the bottom end and quickly went up north of $500K so yeah, they better be well put together.
I see a lot of comments knocking the fact that China is involved in production. I understand those comments but half the stuff in your home is from China. The hospital you go to got 75% of its materials from China. If you camper uses Dometic products they have parts from China. Your Ford , Chevy , and Stalantis all use Chinese parts. My point is don’t let it influence to much of what you want. Personally I think it’s way overpriced; I don’t care who makes it!
the issue is that they are marketing the "AUSTRALIA DESIGNED" etc aspect... they are being sneaky and coy.. e.g. showing American workers 'finishing' off the trailer to make ppl think that it was made in America or some western country
@@JogBird not sure who you are referring to as marketing, but they did say on several occasions it’s made in China. PS: Australian design isn’t the same as Australian made. In-tech is all American made in Indiana. I have the off road edition that I feel is every bit as good for a quarter of the price. Check them out. All aluminum frame, no wood on any of the structure.
I paid $65K for my 2021 and added a bunch of options as well. I'd be shocked if anyone paid $95K. They are expensive, but built much better than most US Rv's and cheaper than an Aussie built unit. These are heavy units. I'm over 8000lbs loaded. Ended up upgrading the truck to a 6.7 diesel to pull it.
Watching the sliding action of certain items and the tone of the various doors…I hear “savings” or I suppose where the Chinese element is involved. I can see a bunch of these lined up in Odessa, Midland and other places in oil business “Man Camps” of Texas.
Thanks for sharing amigo. This is a beautiful well built off road capable travel trailer. This is not your average trailer, it has off road suspension! I would love to own something like this in the near future.
I don't like glamping, but I'd definitely use this for a multi week overland adventure!.. I'm in BC so EVERYTHING that opens to the outside, needs mosquito screen options!
I have purchased the HQ21 and the very same truck you have in this video. I was told the maximum gross and tongue weight of the HQ21 and HQ19 are the same, both have 1000 LB tongue weight at maximum load, around 750LB empty . Several Tundra owners have been very insistent this is too much tongue weight for this truck, although you seem to be doing just fine. A WDH ( weight distribution hitch) is not available for these full articulation hitches, so I'm wondering how this truck with rear coil springs handled the load on the highway and off road. Looking forward to your feedback.
I think TFL needs a trailer like this full time as a test bed trailer for towing, mpg loops, power inverter testing, and mobile office! Flat sided boxy rv type trailers pull completely different to flat bed car hauler style trailers, so I think you need both in your fleet for testing purposes.
I don’t have but half that much in our fifth wheel we bought new, I’d buy an older used camper to use on trails and such and still not have 95k invested. I’ve learned the hard way buying everything from a cabover pickup camper, numerous travel trailers, one destination trailer, and the 5er we currently own.
I am sorry but the X22 trailer seems to be more trailer for the same money. What are the HQ series rated to temperature wise? X22’s go from -40 to 140F and can run AC on panels, not just shore power.
I’m more interested in how the new Tundra held up towing the trailer. Will you be making a video specifically about towing off-road road with the new Tundra?
The suspension is the only thing on that camper that makes it what it is. I “WAS” a fan…however when you’re inside, it feels extremely cheap. AND come to find out the components are Chinese and it much different than the normal junk we can get anywhere. AND, “ROA campers” have severed their affiliation with Black Series due to their business practices and quality. I am very disappointed in this company and trailer..
95k for something without an engine attached is ridiculous, especially since it’s Chinese crap. I’ve seen the build quality of American campers, no way would I downgrade to the quality control levels of a Chinese builder… I’d love to do a lead test on that thing.
Not US owned Jayco, Australian company, long history about the name. Winnebago has a bizarre history here as well and it was never owned by a US company
I would love to see a video on the hq22t. How it toes unloaded and loaded. Reason being people won't always be hauling their orv with them when they go camping, and it would be a shame if it towed horribly empty.
How well does that Tundra’s onboard generator/inverter work to power that trailer off grid???? Toyota????????? (Sounds of crickets chirping as Toyota realizes the big miss)
Screw that. Made in China. There are plenty of great campers built here in the USA by great American craftsmen. I have been seeing these on CZcams left and right and thank you for being honest that they are all sponsored by the manufacturer. I love TFL and all the content you guys put out. Thanks for real-world honest reviews!
Looks like a sturdy trailer but all the fittings look kinda cheap. Maybe sounds silly but, opening and closing things, they didn't 𝒔𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒅 expensive or high quality. I'd be interested to have a look around one that's been used for a couple of years; not hammered, but worked hard. For the price of a house, or a small fleet of cars, I'd be looking for serious quality and something that would hold it's value. I wonder how many get damaged, loading/unloading into the containers, looked pretty tight.
So let me get this right? They are half the size inside of a normal 28 ft camper, but cost 3 times the cost and are mostly made in China. Sounds great 😃! On another related note, I burn dollar bills in my fire place to heat my home.
This thing weighs over 6500lbs EMPTY, that is simply way too heavy for something intended to be pulled offroad unless you plan on getting stuck at the first patch of sand, let alone that it's only 19' long. And over $80K for a 19' trailer that's made in China, that's a HARD pass.
@@robertryan7204 Just because it's common in Australia doesn't mean it's ideal. Speaking from experience, weight is your enemy while offroading. When half of that weight is riding on unpowered wheels, you're about as capable as any 2WD vehicle.
Thank you for the informational video, most important knowledge I have gotten: "Made in China by Australian company". So airstream made in Ohio it is or Intech (know them for racecar trailers) or any other made in USA are my options!
I would recommend a ROCKWOOD GEOPRO as a great and more affordable choice. Rockwood is a more premium brand. Lance may also be another good option. Best part...made in the USA. I try hard to buy made in Canada 🇨🇦 or USA 🇺🇸.
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I WAS looking at these trailers until now. Thanks dude. I didn’t know they were made in China.
If you're looking for quality American Made RVs, All-Aluminum, check us out at inTech.com We're located in Nappanee, IN (Northern Indiana.)
Exactly that's why I bought a Toyota Rav4 and walked away from a almost purchased Buick . Factory for the small Buicks, are in China , unbelievable!
But half the stuff in your home is made in China.
If you want All American for just as good a quality and less money look into In-tech campers, you won’t be disappointed.
@@fritty9927 I know we cannot getaway from all this China mfg , but I still attempt it, especially when buying large dollar items.
@@MADDOG100ful I hear ya, but it all adds up
So let me get this straight: Most of the manufacturing process is done in china but the trailer is still the most expensive one on the market? Yeah no thanks.
Vast competition in Australia. Black Series is nowhere here.
For that price, they need to be manufactured in the USA, or at least not be associated with China.
What’s the standard on domestic parts content for other trailer manufacturers? I’d think these days lots of materials and components come from China regardless of trailer brand.
@Ross Outdoors that's just one brand right? I was asking about trailers as a whole.
Also not towed by a toyota
@@ALMX5DP Yes
@@ghostmofo5829 pretty difficult in this part of the world
come on Andre, this trailer for 95K? Wow made in China........ Nope!
I bought my first house, 3 bedroom 2 bath 2 car garage 1/3 acre for 89k. I like the camper, but I cant justify spending that much on a camper. The same reason I wont buy a rooftop tent. Its not a trailer for everybody, I dont know anybody who could afford a 95k tow behind trailer.
Looks like the finishers order the “solar sensor wall light” on the door off Amazon to give that high class finished touch.
I saw that as well. Nice first impression.
95k for that 😳
This is infomercial
Yeah a Chinese made trailer for premium money, ridiculous.
@@toddturnbaugh4451 you obviously haven’t shopped around
@@davetoal4629 I have and that's why it's ridiculous.
@@toddturnbaugh4451 then I your looking at run of the mill Indiana crap
Nice if that works for yeah awesome
Prices are laughable. 😱
This is expensive. I'd never buy a Chinese trailer when so many good ones made in USA. Liked the suspension but interior looked very low rent for $95K. This one is a bad deal I'd avoid.
It is overpriced
@@robertryan7204 that’s why they need give money to TFL and sale
That price is insane. We have a Rockwood Roo 233 hybrid that we bought for $6k last Fall. A new one goes for about $25k. I know this camper has special suspension and some other bits, but not $70k worth. Plus of course my camper was entirely built in the US.
Right there with you. Made as inexpensively as possible in China, shipped here and marked so high that you could buy a new truck and camper for the same money!!!
Right, Andre says something for everybody, yeah, everybody with a six figure income and money to burn.
Lol you can't compare the two
@@freethinkingamerican80 Sure you can. My 2009 has most of what that camper has, nice stove, microwave, fridge with separate freezer, heated mattresses, DVD player, exterior speakers, nice retractable awning. I don't have the ground clearance or solar panels, but I don't need to overland and I could add thr panels for a few hundred dollars.
@@RandomGuyDan No US Travel Trailers disintegrate in Australia. Chinese Off Roader vastly more durable, but again it is Chinese and you do not know if it will fail when you least expect it.
You lost me at "China"👎
Partially assembled in China it’s a hard pass for me
Great series, but at that cost I’d go with Airstream. American made and iconic design.
BAM! Mic drop! %100 Mr. Maher! And parts are available. And the resale is amazing. And other than off road ability, an Airstream is so far above this “black series”, there’s no competition.
That's what I was thinking.
Just so ya know I had an airstream and it was a terrible trailer...... expensive cold and not that light.... oh and lots of things failed first year and company told me to f off. I hate that company
@@DaleH2o when you spend that kind of money most people will defend their purchase no matter what.... I was one until I said heck no this is not ok.... I traded it in got a great price (thankfully it was a pandemic going on so I got top price) and got a trailer with way more space, nicer, and everything works properly. I would never go down the airstream road again but they have a very nostalgic feel that you can't get really anywhere else.... that to some folks is where it's at... right on happy trails!
AIrstream not Off Road, at least Black series survives on most dirt roads for a while
Use promo code "WTF" to get 50% off, and still be too got damn expensive.
Way over priced for a Chinese caravan
Frame and suspension system are impressive but, @$95k, I kind of expected a LOT more premium everywhere else. Then there’s the involvement with China, $95k strikes me as an entirely built in USA price.
Sorry but it’s way over price for what you’re getting and I’m definitely not buying a Chinese made camper
Yes it may look ok, and is somewhat better quality than Travel Trailers in the US. Chinese stuff can break when you least expect it.
I’m disappointed to hear that the trailer is built in China. I thought it was built in Australia.
Go for a bruder exp6
@@msyahnaz3325 Extremely disappointed with Chinese copies, they fall apart
@@msyahnaz3325 Very much so ANY Caravan made in China
They ship the finishing employees together with the camper?
That explains the signs in both Chinese and English.
Rv trader has a used 2021 HQ19 for $54,900 so you’re telling me after taxes you would lose roughly half after the first year? I know RVs depreciate a ton, but that’s excessive. 🤯
Search build quality on them that might be the reason for the price drop.
Pre covid they were 45-50k. Shipped in from China in $3000 40ft containers. COVID spun container prices up 20k
New ones are dropping to $59,000
I like the looks of these. For $95,000 I would have thought they were 100% built in Australia?
I recently saw a brand new 100% American made off road camper trailer company called Ember a few months ago. It had the same Australian style trailing arm suspension but made in Indiana.
Both are beautiful but the competition is growing now more than ever.
"Designed" in Australia, built in China, assembled in USA.
I looked at the Ember as well. Cool design and it does have a slide-out option which would make me nervous for an all-terrain trailer. One thing that is a concern in the design of the Ember is the departure angle and the length from the hitch to the tongue box is way too short.
That thing is a joke
@@DaleH2o I’m one of a few Ambassadors. You should see where we take our trailers.
Xplore rv makes a good offroader
95k, should be able to tackle the MOAB trails as well.
I stopped watching as soon as you said they are partially built in China. But... thank you for being honest about it.
95k, made in China.. Hard to justify
Harbor Freight Edition...weird that the bed doesn’t fold up...some cool outside features..
Funny you mention Harbor freight. The porch light outside is identical to the one I bought from H/B for my overland build.
Ninety-five thousand dollars…. For an “off road” trailer…. Anyone ever have to back up off-road? Yup. Good luck backing up when you get stuck. Oh, and “Made in China” is the final nail.
Common in Australia
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I'm so glad these came down in price. Love the maple interior. The sandy beige cabinets with black furniture are gorgeous. And the outside is macho. Perfect combo.❤
I had an HQ12 for awhile, one of the first brought into the USA. Like most trailers there were lots of issues (the worst of which was dangerous trailer sway resulting from poor weight distribution). Once I got the problems ironed out it was pretty cool and I had some fun, but the offroad ability comes at a cost. They are very heavy, so you need a big truck to tow them. Even if the weight is within your vehicle's towing range, plan to be well under that limit for any offroading. After owning one I would rather get something smaller and lighter.
Also, the polyblock hitch suuuuucks. Very difficult to connect or disconnect when on anything other than flat ground because otherwise the pin ends up binding. Also much harder than a ball hitch to line up and connect.
Another note ... discounting it because it's made in China and not USA doesn't really track. The vast majority of US made campers are garbage and barely road worthy. The Black Series had it's flaws but the chassis was solid (which is an understatement).
@@kramericanindustries Spot on US Travel Trailers disintegrate in Australia. At least this will do a few dirt roads and survice
so sick of these companies selling stuff for wayyy to much, that price is INSNAELY high...
Yes an equivalent non Chinese built one in Australia would go for Aus$50,000
Thank You Andre, I have been watching ROA out of UT for over a year and they never once mentioned these were manufactured in China. I will admit high quality but will look for an American made version, like maybe Ember whom is up and coming. Still love your RV series though as you speak the truth..
Nice review but that price tag is out of this world. 30k markup
LMAO. China. LMAO There is 1 constant themed idealism when it comes to camping sources, Americans don't want to pay high $$$ figures for foreign products. Cheap people can compromise for cheap prices on cheap products from that country, but you won't find the masses running to the Black Series showroom at those prices. ;) Thank you so much for the real world honesty on the source here. This is what I appreciate about TFL.
I own a new 2021 HQ19 and even though I’ve only used it twice, it seems quite nice and capable. It is unlike any other camper and is nicely equipped. I would like to mention that while the MSRP is $95k, it should be able to be had for about $60-$65k. From what I have seen, like most other campers, there is a considerable markup, usually 40 to 50%. I have not noticed any problems with quality yet, but time will tell. The unit does have a good warranty and people online seem to get satisfaction from the company on warranty items. When buying this unit, I considered the Outdoors RV Back country series. While it was about $10k less in price comparably equipped, it had conventional straight axles. I liked the Black Series independent suspension. I did not want an Indiana made unit, they have big quality problems and are packed with Chinese stuff as well. From what I’ve read the Outdoor RV units have better quality that most other camper brands and are made in Oregon. However, no other brand offers as heavy as a frame and suspension as Black Series. The video did not mention much about the HQ19 having 400-600 amp hours of battery and a 2000 watt inverter to compliment the 600 watts of solar cells, it is nearly totally off grid out of the box. This caravan pulls great, even in wind behind my 2020 Ram ¾ ton Cummins and only reduces my mileage by about 20% with no sway bar. I like the way I can just pull over about anywhere (that’s allowed), and camp. I have read that the two wheeled versions do sway a lot. As I said, time will tell how it holds up but I have owned many other campers and my HQ19 does seem to be better made than many others new ones made in the last 15 or so years. Thanks TFL for the video, I learned a lot and thanks for not pulling any punches on your review. It will be interesting so see more on your experience with the HQ19 caravan.
I saw one of these last year and the owner was NOT pleased with the build quality. The supposed galvanized frame was flaking off in big sections and starting to rust. He said it was a continuous process of systems not working, leaks in the water system and windows that leaked as well.
Chinese build quality. It looks good for a while
My son is experiencing unrepairable leaks in the water system.
Yeah, the margins on these at 95K are probably like 65% after shipping. Id rather support a US made offroad camper. Not a bad camper but I think you would see a higher quality made here.
They are well and truly ripping you off in the US
Rockwood GEOPRO is a choice to consider.
@@mikefoehr235 Very lightweight though, not that suitable for much Off Track use.
@Robert Ryan Pobably more affordable tho.
@@mikefoehr235 Yes a case you get what you pay for. "Black Series" type of Off Roaders cost roughly Aus $50,000 here, you can go up to $200,000 but you are towing a very high tech " house"
You guys always give a lot of information thanks for the videos.
I got a bunch of them, I got one on each keyset, one in each vehicle, and 1 in the bottom of each toolbox, underneath the drawers where they'll have to take the box apart to get to it.
I tried to buy an HQ15 last year. All 8 on the lot had tons of defects. Water in windows, peeling and broken door. Salesman asked me not to buy one. She said they all come back for repairs within 2 weeks. So sad. I was ready to buy.
Doesn’t surprise me one bit, seeing how they are put together and that mfg facility
Chinese quality varies from pretty good to near awful
If your wise enough to buy such a rig you and it deserve one another. Your looking at something I don't care the cost will shake apart after just the slightest use. I heard it described this way about campers. Imagine your house going thru a minor earthquake every single day. That is what happens when you tow a camper. Now do that off road well you just add to the mayhem possible. 95 thousand my god that is insane.
It's Chinesium so no way would I touch one. Having had the terrible job in college of detailing RVs in the summer heat of the northern Sacramento Valley outside for $7.50/hr (worst job ever) I learned about RV quality. What I found was nearly all towed units were built to such a poor standard I would never buy one. Things have improved somewhat since then but not a great deal. There are newer OEMs out there probably trying to make a name for quality but the stuff you could buy 20 years ago was junk. I found that until you stepped up to a diesel coach (tour bus type RV) the quality and fit and finish suffered. Once in that diesel pusher territory it got a lot better but in those days that was $200K at the bottom end and quickly went up north of $500K so yeah, they better be well put together.
@@saisr1 Not that for that much not for half that much. They are cheaply made and will not hold up.
You lost me as soon as you said China. If I'm dropping 90k on a 19ft camper it better be built in America.
Quality wise you do get better built Trailers in China but need to pay for them. Still I rate this better than current US trailers
I see a lot of comments knocking the fact that China is involved in production. I understand those comments but half the stuff in your home is from China. The hospital you go to got 75% of its materials from China. If you camper uses Dometic products they have parts from China. Your Ford , Chevy , and Stalantis all use Chinese parts. My point is don’t let it influence to much of what you want. Personally I think it’s way overpriced; I don’t care who makes it!
the issue is that they are marketing the "AUSTRALIA DESIGNED" etc aspect... they are being sneaky and coy.. e.g. showing American workers 'finishing' off the trailer to make ppl think that it was made in America or some western country
@@JogBird not sure who you are referring to as marketing, but they did say on several occasions it’s made in China.
PS: Australian design isn’t the same as Australian made.
In-tech is all American made in Indiana. I have the off road edition that I feel is every bit as good for a quarter of the price. Check them out. All aluminum frame, no wood on any of the structure.
@@JogBird Yes Chinese do that a lot
I paid $65K for my 2021 and added a bunch of options as well. I'd be shocked if anyone paid $95K. They are expensive, but built much better than most US Rv's and cheaper than an Aussie built unit. These are heavy units. I'm over 8000lbs loaded. Ended up upgrading the truck to a 6.7 diesel to pull it.
Any updates on this rig? I'm reading some real horror stories after a year of use.
Watching the sliding action of certain items and the tone of the various doors…I hear “savings” or I suppose where the Chinese element is involved.
I can see a bunch of these lined up in Odessa, Midland and other places in oil business “Man Camps” of Texas.
Thanks for sharing amigo. This is a beautiful well built off road capable travel trailer. This is not your average trailer, it has off road suspension! I would love to own something like this in the near future.
I don't like glamping, but I'd definitely use this for a multi week overland adventure!.. I'm in BC so EVERYTHING that opens to the outside, needs mosquito screen options!
I have purchased the HQ21 and the very same truck you have in this video. I was told the maximum gross and tongue weight of the HQ21 and HQ19 are the same, both have 1000 LB tongue weight at maximum load, around 750LB empty . Several Tundra owners have been very insistent this is too much tongue weight for this truck, although you seem to be doing just fine. A WDH ( weight distribution hitch) is not available for these full articulation hitches, so I'm wondering how this truck with rear coil springs handled the load on the highway and off road. Looking forward to your feedback.
Buy a tent
live a little
I think TFL needs a trailer like this full time as a test bed trailer for towing, mpg loops, power inverter testing, and mobile office! Flat sided boxy rv type trailers pull completely different to flat bed car hauler style trailers, so I think you need both in your fleet for testing purposes.
Yes agree
Andre is getting good at these reviews
What’s the mpg on the tundra towing the camper?
Doesn't matter. Shouldn't be driving that junk.
Andre needs a raise
I think the RV rental company’s would be a good match.
At 6:10 you can see the build quality. Do search how bad they fall apart. Concept idea is cool but reliable no.
Yes you can see the iffy build quality
I get sponsors, but then making it seem like it's an independent review is dishonest. I expected better of tfl.
They’re pretty clear it’s sponsored.
Holy crap no wonder why I saw a lot full of them I live down the street from they Factory I thought they were opening up a dealship
Canada: That's $120,632.........sure, I'll buy a dozen !
3 season camper for this price !? Nuts
I don’t have but half that much in our fifth wheel we bought new, I’d buy an older used camper to use on trails and such and still not have 95k invested. I’ve learned the hard way buying everything from a cabover pickup camper, numerous travel trailers, one destination trailer, and the 5er we currently own.
I am sorry but the X22 trailer seems to be more trailer for the same money. What are the HQ series rated to temperature wise? X22’s go from -40 to 140F and can run AC on panels, not just shore power.
I’m more interested in how the new Tundra held up towing the trailer. Will you be making a video specifically about towing off-road road with the new Tundra?
The suspension is the only thing on that camper that makes it what it is. I “WAS” a fan…however when you’re inside, it feels extremely cheap. AND come to find out the components are Chinese and it much different than the normal junk we can get anywhere. AND, “ROA campers” have severed their affiliation with Black Series due to their business practices and quality. I am very disappointed in this company and trailer..
So atrx with a 7K trailer behind it says 0 to 60 as fast as my Mitsubishi Montero, LOL. Very nice!
If Harbor Freight made a camper. When does the "20% off any item coupon" come out?
95k for something without an engine attached is ridiculous, especially since it’s Chinese crap. I’ve seen the build quality of American campers, no way would I downgrade to the quality control levels of a Chinese builder… I’d love to do a lead test on that thing.
Other way around. US stuff on the whole pretty bad , but you cannot trust the Chinese to have consistent quality
I wonder how this compares to an Airstream, price seems up there.
Wow not made in Australia 🇦🇺
Jayco makes them too not sold in North America Jayco All-Terrain Caravans
Not US owned Jayco, Australian company, long history about the name. Winnebago has a bizarre history here as well and it was never owned by a US company
I would love to see a video on the hq22t. How it toes unloaded and loaded. Reason being people won't always be hauling their orv with them when they go camping, and it would be a shame if it towed horribly empty.
Glad you did the trailer now we have a truck camper now we need something smaller. Thanks
This
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Your sounding like the slingshot channel guy ," let me show you all of its features " .
Thanks for the video I was gonna tell me that trailer around a dirt hundred thousand dollar junk
F450 for that price ...
Not a big fan of towing a trailer while off-roading. In some trails it's almost as dragging an anchor behind.
@@DaleH2o They do here
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Would love to see how you have this set up to tow, especially for the conditions you took it through.
How well does that Tundra’s onboard generator/inverter work to power that trailer off grid????
Toyota?????????
(Sounds of crickets chirping as Toyota realizes the big miss)
Screw that. Made in China. There are plenty of great campers built here in the USA by great American craftsmen. I have been seeing these on CZcams left and right and thank you for being honest that they are all sponsored by the manufacturer. I love TFL and all the content you guys put out. Thanks for real-world honest reviews!
US Trailers are not being exported these are.
Happy to see I am not the only one here who thinks it's past time to stop stuffing the pockets of the Chinese with US dollars.
$95,000?????? Are we camping, or glamping? Soooooo......the price combination for both those units is around $180,000? 🤦♂️
If you go over to rv of America's web site they list them for 55,000
Do Thea’s units have fire problems
What weight distribution hitch do you guys like the most/use? I’m debating between the equalizer 4 or weigh safe true tow.
I’m big on CURT products. Been using them for years. My WD hitch has held up nicely for about 6 years now
Looks like a sturdy trailer but all the fittings look kinda cheap. Maybe sounds silly but, opening and closing things, they didn't 𝒔𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒅 expensive or high quality. I'd be interested to have a look around one that's been used for a couple of years; not hammered, but worked hard.
For the price of a house, or a small fleet of cars, I'd be looking for serious quality and something that would hold it's value. I wonder how many get damaged, loading/unloading into the containers, looked pretty tight.
Apparently, inflation is out of control in America.
I was interested until you said built in China. 95k for that is nuts.
You think it is safe to tow HQ21?
“May cost a little bit more…”. Lol
I have heard aluminum frames don't work well in the cold because of condensation causing wood to rot where the wall and floor meet.
Depends if they are composite not wood
Thanks.
Andre is the best!
I would like to see a review of the bruder exp6 or 8
They are a class unit exported globally from Australia
So let me get this right? They are half the size inside of a normal 28 ft camper, but cost 3 times the cost and are mostly made in China. Sounds great 😃! On another related note, I burn dollar bills in my fire place to heat my home.
Andre could your F150 Powerboost tow the HQ19?
ROA when they we’re selling them they towed it with an ford 150 eco boost 3.5 off road and did really well.
How long until episode 2?
I like the well-built & offroad aspects of it. I don't mind paying for quality. But who buys a camper like that which doesn't sleep a couple & 2 kids?
This thing weighs over 6500lbs EMPTY, that is simply way too heavy for something intended to be pulled offroad unless you plan on getting stuck at the first patch of sand, let alone that it's only 19' long. And over $80K for a 19' trailer that's made in China, that's a HARD pass.
Never been to Australia? Common weight for many Off Roaders
Common in Australia
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@@robertryan7204 Just because it's common in Australia doesn't mean it's ideal. Speaking from experience, weight is your enemy while offroading.
When half of that weight is riding on unpowered wheels, you're about as capable as any 2WD vehicle.
@@supersnot4 No it is ideal here, for people who go Off Road for a long period. Shorter journeys Campertrailers are better.
Headed to Alibaba to find my severely discounted off road trailer now 😂
FLT must be getting paid for this review. $70k NO WAY BROTHER.
Thank you for the informational video, most important knowledge I have gotten: "Made in China by Australian company". So airstream made in Ohio it is or Intech (know them for racecar trailers) or any other made in USA are my options!
Cool trailer but the "China" part just killed it for me, especially for that price.
I would recommend a ROCKWOOD GEOPRO as a great and more affordable choice. Rockwood is a more premium brand. Lance may also be another good option. Best part...made in the USA. I try hard to buy made in Canada 🇨🇦 or USA 🇺🇸.