I remember when I first left college how completely unappealing the real world was. My whole life I NEVER had an interest in the rat race, a career, making money. Because I've come to realize, a life based solely on me is completely unfulfilling for me. I get no satisfaction out of doing shit just for me. That's why I feel like I was infinitely happier in college. I was in a group of close friends, we always did shit together, had so many great memories. But today, just living for myself, feels TOTALLY meaningless
Same, been a top athlete my whole life and it’s been tough readjusting my direction after college and seeing how everything in the real world works just sucks, greed, power, unethical practices. almost feels like I’m living to die sometimes.
So thats why I feel like shit, because of Homeschooling, in school, when I am in a class, when we do shit together when we laugh together, do stupid stuff. It's so fucking fun, damn I fucking miss that part of school. I feel like I dont belong anywhere anymore, I feel lost, lonely and gone. And I'll be 15 in a couple of months. I hope for better days man. Sorry for ranting
@@notoriusdrifter40 what’s good my guy, we literally need human interaction to exist.. so you not having that is what’s wrong. Nothing is wrong with you I promise. Just gotta try and get out and talk to people more. You plan on going to college?
@@91111ful Uhm I wont be going to college, but I will be going to like a school where you learn how to do a job you wanna do. I live in Germany by the way. It's similiar to college, but it lasts about 3 years. I have three really good friends, like best friends and I have some people i talk to. But seeing how much more my brother, or some class peers have friends makes me feel really depressed and like a failure. At least I am really passionate about Music and playing Guitar. I cant wait for this COVID shit to be over, so I have better chances at meeting new people.
I used to say this...wow!!.....that was the most awful feeling. Today....I love to be all alone and when I am in a room full of people I see their emptiness and lonliness I see the desperation in them to fill the void that is so obvious and that once existed in me....Jesus Christ came into my heart ...by faith....he saved my wretched soul from hell he brought me out of darkness he gave me life and he filled me with peace that surpasses understanding :))
“We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.” ― Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
That movie is my life. War is always going on....hot or cold, mental, spiritual, etc. The mental struggles I’ve been through by far out way any physical pain that I have experienced. The strange part is that I accomplished all the goals I sat out for....then I felt more empty than ever. How the hell does being in Bora Bora at age 23 not make your depression go away? I couldn’t figure that out back then. I essentially just let go of everything that I’d worked so very hard for. I’m much happier but money is always an issue no matter what right? I’m just trying to be content with what I have, and live day to day.
Bnlol1 True war is terrible But war gives men purpose To die and fight for a cause greater then themselves Men want purpose so much they will go to extremes to achieve that
@@ethanmcfarland8240 right the cause of "absolute and utter fucking masochistic chaos" sure is SO meaningful. Have you ever actually *read* the memoires of soldiers who saw war firsthand? In Vietnam, in Korea, in Europe, in the Pacific. there was no meaning, only trauma, pain, and insanity.
Yep, society is kept in a cycle of fear and uncertainty so people look for comforts to help them cope with life. The wealthy elite rule this world, the rest of us are just left to fend for ourselves in this rat maze.
Modern culture is awful, LOTS of people are lonely and depressed. It's only going to get worse. It is hard to make new friends in the sickening rat race.
I used to be a volunteer fireman. That's why I was always so happy when I was volunteering my time to the community. It gave me a sense of purpose and meaning.I never got that from my job when I was getting paid.
people.need.to stop "following their dreams" and make themselves useful then they will feel needed because they won't be unskilled lethargiacs protesting for a higher minimum wage
Modern life is too complicated, simple as that. This is why people are depressed. Also; we never really enjoy the present because in western society we are always sacrificing it to create a better future.
@@bubbasernie5762 Has anyone ever "gotten ahead?" I don't think so. It's all a grand illusion. We can choose to do something different but we like the feeling that money gives us. It feels like...power.
Sometimes I look at a squirrel or a bird and think they have a better life. Sure they have their own issues but they don’t have to worry about human stuff like mortgage, credit cards, banks, housing, college and probably thousand of other things. They just roam around and search for food, eat, sleep etc. we all die eventually anyway, why does our life have to be so complex.
I feel like one day the world decided to conquer the entirety of the planet and coop us up in a place of capitalism to run their system. Life was not made to be easy but shouldn't have been this difficult either.
Because all of us have been bought by the system. We think all these luxuries in modern life are there to free us from the shackles of modern nature, but they aint. They are there to make a zombified slave out of you, me and everybody else. In nature we didnt have shit, but we were FREE. In society we have everything, but we are SLAVES. To our vices. to our clothes. To our conditions. To many empty signifiers to keep us distracted from that very fact. But it isnt going anywhere. And many people are starting to catch on...
I feel awful for kids growing up in the modern world. There is NO WAY to protect them. It's HARD FOR ADULTS. These kids, the majority anyways, will all grow-up very fast, learn "painful truths" at far too young of an age, and as a result, many will suffer from permanent psychological damage by the time they are 16. Yet, to them, they will think of it as normalcy, which is even scarier. Side-note: I often see this group of 17-18 year old's that hang-out at a gas-station / bong-shop near my house, and when I look in their eyes, there isn't a SHRED of naivete, innocence, wonder, or awe that remains within them... They have the souls of a middle-aged con-man. Quite sad.
This is why I refuse marriage and kids. I do not want kids to this world. You can not play and be you, you need to perform and start working for the big. No wonder people are depressed when the only thing you do, is work work work, to have your 4 week vacation a year. Depression is here also because of this. People are just too tired to live like robots 24/7.
Never bringing or birthing any biological offspring’s from my bloodline and familial unit. I’m to groggy and calloused to even want to bring another human being into this bullshit cycle we call “life”. Definitely life itself and the world economic forum can be full of shit sometimes. Anyways screw the WEF. They can go scam they’re dedicated capitalists and hug their slave wagers.
Well kids have been living in this modern world for over 100 years. This man is talking about hunter/gatherer societies. For which most of us stopped living about 200 years ago. He's not talking about how different life is in the last 10 years vs 30 years ago. He's talking about live in the last 200 years vs life 200 years ago and beyond
@@coryburns4309 I agree with everything you pointed out, except one thing: Childhood, particularly the teenage years, has RADICALLY CHANGED in the last 20 years due to the internet. When I was 18-19 (late 90s) I was still VERY innocent. I had never seen hard core porn, a lot of ugly truths about the world and our society were still hidden from me, etc. In short, because of the internet, I was more of a child at 19 than many 12 year olds are today. But, I do understand what you're saying.
I’ve heard people say some of their most fun times was before & after a hurricane ( providing it wasn’t life threatening). Neighborhoods would be almost like a block party with people sharing resources & families staying with each other. In fact, it was a let down in a sense when the electricity came back on
Dealing with depression, I'm beginning to understand both people who commit suicide and those nutters that drop everything and go and live in the arse end of nowhere in somewhere like Alaska
I don't usually comment on shit but it's crazy how true this is. In college we barely all talk to each other except in days of exams when everyone is desperate and exchanging information. Then when we leave, for the first 5 mins everyone is all smiley and talking, but after that, everyone is back to being zombies.
HOLYSHIT. I’m 3 years late but I’m currently in college and what you said has described my entire interaction with the population of my campus. A link of dependence is clearly lost and it’s just the most depressing thing ever interacting. That moment before the exam where everyone is exchanging info really clicked with me. I rarely comment on anything in general too
We have plenty of personal struggles, but we don't have group struggles anymore. When we were on the edge of survival we all had to do our part for the tribe and we felt kinship with others because we knew that we all relied on each other to survive. Our brains evolved that way, to measure our own well-being in relation to the well-being of the group. Now everyone is out for themselves without any need to coordinate with anyone else. It's so much easier to survive, and that's definitely good, but we don't find meaning in it. In a sense, each of us is a lone survivor.
I envy that life. It’s not perfect, but there’s so much complicated bs from the civilized world. People weren’t designed to work in cubicles, indoors, eat processed food and socialize on personal computers.
As someone who’s been through a category 5 hurricane the feeling of unity and equality after when everybody in the community comes together is a feeling like no other
i went through a category 5 too and it felt like life before the iphone for 3 months. i was the only person complaining as soon as electricity came back when everyone else cheered
and after the entire event is over everyone goes right back to their old selves selfish ignorant and arrogant consumers slaving away to line the pockets of the elite upper ruling class so they can live life on our backs on easy mode
MrBeaux You could be right. A vacant mind is the devil's playground. Depression is located by depressed as being felt in thoughts and in the brain. There is an amazing article by a scientist which claims that depression is like a switch, a switch that your brain turns on, therefore it has a function. He concludes that depression is your mind alerting you that you need to do more. I believe people become so stagnant and also bored in life that there brain has to kick in and tell them, "right that's it, you've had enough chill, I'm going to burst your happiness bubble and force you to choose between a shitty depressed existence or achieve and act on everything you want and everything you know is the right thing to do"
MrBeaux I read it some while ago. I've searched Google for 5 mins and cannot seem to find it. It was talking about some kind of receptor (TCH-134 something like that) and how it is like a switch, it literally comes on/alive and is only on for people that are depressed, he believes depression therefore is a necessary result of your brain switching on. Argh, i can't explain it properly..if I come across it I will definitely link you it. It is the only article that helped me believe there is a good outcome from my depression.
I can relate to what he is saying about adversity because me and my family have been at a long term financial struggle since 2013 with our family business and we are more united as a family since we take better care of each other. There is also a sincere solidarity with our staff and business partners. Thanks Joe & Sebastian for those uplifting stories!
I feel like society is the exact opposite of a tribe or family. In a tribe/family you can joke and argue and get angry and everything, but deep down you know you’ll always have each other’s backs. You would die for them (maybe). In society though, you’re very superficially polite and cordial with one another, but you don’t actually give a damn about the other people that you don’t know. When you do work for your family or tribe, you can see and care about the benefits that it brings about. When you’re working as a wage slave for society, it’s typically doing stuff for others in abstract ways that you can’t really see or care about. Tribal mentality and life just does not scale well, and society is an attempt to to scale it. It becomes diluted and meaningless. And we’re all isolated and trying to cling to bits and pieces of meaningful social bonds.
Joe talking about how different people acted after 9-11 is so true. The energy shifted and people were so nice to each other for a while. I'll never forget that energy and experience coming out of a horrible event
I also attribute modern society depression to the fact that we work so many hours per week with so few vacations possible. And this leaves us such few time to spend with families and friends, or even personnal projects. And same goes for people going to school: you're forced to spend SO MUCH time absorbing HUGE AMOUNTS of information, probably more than a kid can ever assimilate. And the youth really need some time off. Society is the farmer, we are the crops, and we are dedicated to be harvested all time long and to individually offer something great.
That is massively untrue. Work load in hours has gone down, yet depression has gone up. A person 150 years ago would work 16 hours a day and yet they were significantly less depressed then we are. It’s seems you do not understand where happiness comes from.
@@forman208 We do not have data on people from the 1890's about depression. The furthest i can go back is the 1950's, the amount of time worked average has gone down from 1950 to today from 48 hours worked to 37 hours worked (that's a 20% decrease) and depression has gone up significantly. If depression was tied to working longer hours that number would have went down with the less amount of hours worked, this is not the case, so clearly hours worked isn't the source of happiness. Sources: Depression: www.happierhuman.com/is-depression-really-on-the-rise/ Hours worked: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2094769/Workers-1950s-worked-longer-hours-tougher-conditions-holiday--happier-now.html
@@Prometheus7272 But depression can occur for many different reasons, and our work habits and our work environment could be just a few of many variables. You must be aware that working conditions in some European countries are very different to those in other regions. Just take a look at work-related suicide in Japan. Also, perhaps working hours have dropped im the UK, but what about workload? Check this study out: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.kent.ac.uk/safety/oh/Documents/HSE%2520MH%2520Stats%25202017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiW1fvPu4bwAhVSKKwKHRzWACgQFjANegQIHhAC&usg=AOvVaw3V9eHol-9E-ZHzVMfDK8wj&cshid=1618703458961 And let's not forget the nature of jobs and industries have changed over time too. While in the 1950s a lo of jobs were still manual, businesses weren't as large as today, and commuting times were manageable. In today's world, things are quite the opposite .
I Just live like i did when i was 17. Im 44. No wife, no children. Have a work that use 15% of my day. I drink beer, skateboarding and listen to the same thrash and hardcore bands i did in 88. So the modern society dont depress me. Im not in it. I have zero social media accounts beside CZcams. Quit Facebook 3 years ago. Best thing i did in life. It took me 2 Months to get rid of the addiction of telling people what i did. And thinking that thumps up was of any importance of what i do and feel in life. Its almost like a drug. Fucks you up. Sharing your life with every shitheads your met. You like maybe 10% of them
Hey Dan. Likewise I really dig those types pf bands (thrash metal/prog got me into music to the point where i can do sessuon work now, and recently have bern gettimg into hardcore too). I'm curious, what kind of job allows that kind of schedule flexibility? I ask because i am adverse towards most 9-5 situations.
From Tribe: “Human beings need 3 basic things in order to be content: ~They need to feel competent in what they do ~To feel authentic ~They need to feel connected to others
I remember a strong sense of unity in Texas , and I'm sure the country too, after 9/11. I also remember a homeless vet coming up to me and saying "we're gonna get those MF'ers". I was taken back that man that old, living in sub human conditions felt a strong sense of purpose. He seemed full of life, not the depressed sad worthless image one may expect from a homeless person.
One of the best eras we went through in my country was during covid. This did not apply everywhere but because we had a lockdown, restaurants, coffee shops, bars etc. were out of order so people had to gather to parks and local forests and the sense of unity was unlike no other. You made new friends, went hiking together, enjoyed every second. Hell i miss this time.
Dear Joe, this is easily one of the best pieces of content you've produced in an interview with someone. The more credible people you bring on the show, the better
One of the strange things about living in this world as a loving, highly sensitive individual is that when you attempt to demonstrate love and generosity and compassion.. It freaks people out. I saw a girl who looked very worried on the underground in London today and it was a natural impulse for me to just ask if she was OK..... And she looked confused by the gesture. My friend then commented that I'm clearly not designed for this world because that level of care and love will only result in a mostly negative response because people are so unaccustomed to it. But my thoughts on this are... If I don't demonstrate it... Who the heck will?? It seems like it's practically impossible to witness another human that takes a moment to consider a strangers comfort and safety above their one. It's just so bizzare to me that we don't do that for one another when it's so natural to me. We are designed for that level of care and compassion. And actively shutting down and numbing out has only resulted in complete devistation of our entire wellbeing. Maybe its because I was raised in the countryside rather than the city. We're just very different down there. Life is slower, we stay close to nature, we value our relationships above gadgets and things..... Its just weird that we've moved so far from our own innate nature that we've completely forgotten how to function as a fully thriving human being. And everywhere you go, there's a programme of how you SHOULD be is infiltrating your subconscious that certainly only confuses and messes people up even more. We need to develop stronger values. We need to stay close to this beautiful earth that supports us and gives in abundance. And we need more community. It only takes very simple things to make a shift in society. Things that we can all give freely. Empathy, sensitivity, love, compassion, generosity, support. It doesn't cost anything. And that's truly all we need to demonstrate individually towards one another to begin making this shift.
I try to be nice to people in public on a regular basis. Even just trying to be generally friendly is often met with suspicion or skepticism. Not always. But often. Everybody has their guard up. And for good reason. There's a lot of desperate and malicious people out there roaming around. But it still makes me sad. But I will keep doing it anyway because what's the fucking point otherwise?
2 years late but having been on almost both sides of the spectrum, I can make a comment. For me, If someone said "are you ok?" or any variation of that was sincere, I would second guess it as a ploy that that person was either just pure evil trying to lure me in to abuse me once they've gained my trust (abandonment from parents etc) or that the person was genuine and I didn't want to bother them because if they were a good person, I wouldn't want to shake their reality up and they would only gain a sum total of negative emotional burdens that I can't repay. If that makes sense. Victims who feel like victims often can come to the conclusion that there are only 2 types of people: those that are evil or those that are so good hearted that you're better off leaving them alone and not dragging them into your mess that you cannot fix and would be too much of an ask to ask for help.
SnippER that’s all this is, the economy is an expression and measurement of this cycle, of our behavior, our values, etc. it’s like a metaphor. The “money is evil” crowd really has quite a lack of imagination
No society has removed human beings from a lot of dangers, The problem is our brains are hard-wired to live in that environment of the past, that's basically what he is saying. Our minds never got a software update for modernity.
Calm down, dorks! Neither of them are saying we should get rid of our houses and set up tipis. But that we might want to take the good aspects of "tribe" culture and combine them the good from modern culture.
Interesting because I've noticed that after or during something bad happening society seems massively friendly. During a few hurricanes the last major one i saw that people were outside walking and talking to each other. Cooking out, going to the gas station to hang out. People were fishing and having barbecues and helping people with damages. For a day or two everybody was like a completely different person. After that it was back to society and it sucked
Theimbennn that's sounds amazing. The closest you can get to that is the video game Far Cry Primal. I played that game baked and it put me back in that time.
John Glenn haha it’s called the noble savage myth which romanticises societies like the native americans as being in tune with the land, peaceful and wholesome. Native americans were routinely genocidal, burnt forests all the time, and exploited the land just like any other society.
I think it's very silly to imagine absolutely any human society that has ever existed as not being totally and depravedly barbaric towards everyone except themselves. Humans evolved on the murder of other tribes
what else are you doing with your important life? you can download the audio, listen during your commute, or anytime you have spare few minutes. i always laugh at people who say i don't have time. it just means that you don;t know how to manage it well.
Aaqilian5.0 fucks it got to do with you what i do with my life are you a cop? 😂😂 wanna know what time a took a shit aswell you creepy little freaks in the comment section are always good for a laugh
The way our capitalist societyis button lt is a big portion of my depression and anxiety. The feeling of no escape from money and needing it, no matter where I go or what I do.....And it gets super loneyly since everyone is just going to work day after day keeping to themselves and it's like a free for all state....I wish we could live in a time where money didn't exist and we all just worked together to do stuff...
although I don't look for danger, I agree that danger really teaches who you can be. I learned from the dangers in life that I am capable to stand up for myself more then I thought.
@@toiletdestroyer875 that comment was a long time ago. Now I completely understand why people may have suicidal ideation. But life is worth living, even the bad times are secretly good times.
Tribe is one of the most thought-provoking books. His chapter on Werewolf Syndrome is so prescient. Young men without a solid purpose have turned against their tribe for centuries. As a society we really need to get our minds around this phenomenon. Our purpose as humans is NOT comfort. If we lack adversity things always fall apart.
If you took the time to read this guys fictional book I have some bad news... You will never get that time back. This guy gave out false info at least twice in this short clip.
i feel like anomaly because i find most people annoying and i like to be by myself but also i feel huge sense of boredom because there is nothing meaningful to do other than going to school and doing your homework and even those activities are boring/not fun to do so i just end up sitting in front of my computer all day bored questioning existance and thinking what could i do
I had to come back to this clip as I was reminded recently at how in the UK, during the coronavirus outbreak, I am absolutely positively convinced that everyone that I have seen in the little social interactions that I have had has been more pleasant and people are generally more polite and happy.
We also live in a society that equates careers that offer no fame, social recognition or tons of money as mundane, worthless and classify the people who do them as losers, folks that have settled in life. That's a problem.
People who do jobs that gave a sense of purpose and meaning are the ones who get the most out of life; First responders, Military service, volunteering, or anything that requires a group effort to get a task bigger than themselves accomplished is how humans were meant to be. Great friends can be found in these areas.
Society has become more and more and more based on the individual . People today are so insular . Hec you can live next door to folk for years and not know their names , let alone anything about them . Funny thing is they seem to prefer it that way . The word "privacy" is the all important buzz word today . Neighbors plant huge bushes and even trees hard up against fence lines so you cant even see their lawn let alone them , you cant smile and say a good morning anymore , as we all used to do many decades ago. Its frigging sad and yes it is depressing . People just seem to miss trust one another in this modern world now . I'm 72 years old and remember full well how it once was when I was a kid , and even as a teen and young adult . Not sure when the rot started . It just seemed to creep up on us I think as time rolled on . Its absolutely awful. Bigger cities now , huge populations , labor and time saving devices of every description , all the mod cons your heart can desire . Yet we hear all the time that people are so busy , so stressed and so lonely and depressed, in spite too of being able to contact anyone, anywhere , anytime , with communication devices my generation would never have even dreamed of . Go figure .
I find it so easy to get comfort from all this talk - but hard to actually kill the part of me that wants to act like it's the answer, or to wave it up in the air like I am some semi-enlightened being... and even more difficult to instead turn my insecure and self-doubting heart toward the world and engage, with no expectation that the insecurity or self-doubt will ever go away, or is ever supposed to go away. The fact is, every child should be taught that doubt, negative feelings are a part of life. Our bodies produce them for a reason, but then as our bodies interpret it's own experience, denies one side of itself. It's truly crazy. Running away from our own bodies is what makes us insane.
This is sad world, we work 40 hours, that's too much. I have no energy to perform 40 hours at work. No one can. Then clock to these insane hours traveling work related and making yourself up. It feels like you are living just for someone else, and then you can buy stuff. Which is just stuff. Modern society makes us sick with too much work and we literally need to perform. How many of you working or schooling have time to do what you really like? Most people I know do not have time for their hobbies. They trade their time for money they don't need too much. For what? Everyone waits that one day we have marriage, kids, shiny houses, new cars... I never felt so alone in my life until I was around people. Everything is just the same scam.
It's because Materialism is the be all and the end all of modern society: people are judged by how much they possess, and what they possess...thus, people are divorced and alienated from their true selves...Spirituality, thus, is an antidote to that emptiness of modern life, because it reconnects the individual to oneself...
My God! This is why some people here in Northern Ireland want the troubles to come back- they have that nostalgic longing for community spirit when their neighborhoods were being under siege or attacked either by oppressive British forces or IRA bombs
everyone wants change. i remember in the states in 2020 a lot of people i knew were unironically excited for the concept of national collapse, civil war, or massive disruption of society. we all want to escape our current lives
Speaking of diet, the natives were healthy with plenty of nutritious food before the settlers came. What followed after is, well... there are no words to describe.
America post 9/11 was amazing. I remember everyone being so nice and us kids got away with skateboarding anywhere we wanted. Also I work construction and I worked so hard from age 17 to now (I am 28) I am pretty much gonna be able to retire in the next few years. Lived frugally and worked a fuck ton. I feel 60 years old. I have not met any other person out of thousands that works like me. Only one I know is an electrician. he literally will be on site at 3am running running conduit and shit.
It may sound odd but I felt happier in jail where I felt accepted and connected with people who appreciated me where I don't feel that in regular society...thats why a lot of people get stuck in that cycle and become institutionalized
7:45 reminds me of a book I'm reading right now. In the book there is a war going on and one side uses bridge crews. The bridge crews are slaves that have to run bridges up to chasms while the enemy archers fire at them. Eventually they get out of that fate but later on some of then talk nostalgically about the bridge days because they all had to look out for eachother. This parallels my own life although less violently lol. I recently quit my job and it was a very physically tough job. We'd have about 20 people on each team moving thousands of pieces of freight every day. Now that I'm away from it I feel a lack of purpose and comradeship although I dont miss the work.
Tribe is a GREAT book. You just need to look at a post industrialized society, like Japan (with the lowest birth rates, highest suicide rates, and highest levels of depression/anxiety), to see that modern society isn't making us happier.
We can help ourselves feel less lonely if we make an effort. I used to blame my loneliness on “modern society” and “social media culture” also until I started seeing a therapist who helped encourage me to reach out more often to those around me. When you reach out to others to talk about heavy topics like loneliness, depression, and isolation, i think you’d be surprised at how many others feel this too and how we can bond over it and help curtail those feelings for each other.
Society is horrible... No one is truly free. Most people are stuck feeling trapped living a miserable life. It's a shame that the world is this way. The system benefits the few and leaves the majority oppressed. How many people wake up everyday forced to live in a way they don't want to? If I were to guess, I would say it's a majority of the human population... Everyone is expected to act a certain way, live a certain way, and even if they don't agree with it, they put a mask on and do it anyway. Everyone is just pretending.... No one can truly live the way they want to. It's possible, but most don't achieve that dream. Everything you try to do, there is always an obstacle standing in your way preventing you from doing it. Some among us are lucky enough to overcome them. Others don't. It's like everyone is a zombie. We are not truly free... Animals for example are truly free because they can just live. Not humans. We are constantly pressured. We have expectations we need to live by. Do we really have free will? Isn't everyone just living there lives based off of someone else's idea of what the world should be like? Aren't we living our lives based off of the way people have told us things should be? We have these ideas planted into us from a young age and we never question them. We just say thats the way it is... Do we really have a choice? We are given the illusion that we do, but we don't. If we don't abide by societies expectations than we will be failures right? Make money to live... Live to make money.... All my life I've always felt like something was missing... Like there was something wrong.. perhaps the way we are currently living isn't the way humans are supposed to live... I've felt this way for a while... Once I reached a certain age I realized just how fake everything is... We have no choice, but to conform. Conform and live in a way that doesn't make us happy. This is the cruel reality of life.
Yeah, sit your ass off at the desk for 8 hour plus in your car for 2 hours traveling to do that. It seems like for most people work is life and the only remaining hobby eating all resources. I work too, but I feel like there is no other hobbies anymore as soon as I started working. Literally no time, then after work go for groceries, wash clothes and anything like that. Then people say, but at least we are free. I mean, free? Waking each day at six to do the same as yesterday? Our yesterday is our future in most cases...
@chillin like a chinchilla. I hear you. I feel the same that something is missing. Too much negativity, jealousy and greedy users with today's society, everyone wears a mask it's sickening. I do not wear a mask and I'm hated for it, lying or being false has never really done it for me, I was bought up better than that and as my dad said You can always watch a thief but you can never trust a liar. When you do try and help people they just take advantage and think because your kind that your stupid and weak, I'm over it, as my dad always said trust no bastard, not even your own family because they don't want you to get ahead and be better than them, I suppose he had been taken advantage off so many times that he didn't trust anyone in the end. it's sad I know but that is just the way life is now
@@varolussalsanclar1163 absolutely. people don’t realize that socially speaking the only way forwards is backwards. tradition is tradition because it worked. i don’t understand (and never will) why we abandoned it.
‘You are unfortunate in my judgment, for you have never been unfortunate. You have passed through life with no antagonist to face you; no one will know what you were capable of, not even you yourself.’
What are some ways to combat the loneliness or feeling a lack of importance in society? Not as in changing society but on a personal level, what can someone do to feel like they have purpose or feel similar to what we are genetically wired to feel?
Any animal I think would find it unsettling to be surrounded by other of its kind that it doesn’t know. Drop a monkey into an unfamiliar group and it will be uncomfortable.
I remember when I first left college how completely unappealing the real world was. My whole life I NEVER had an interest in the rat race, a career, making money. Because I've come to realize, a life based solely on me is completely unfulfilling for me. I get no satisfaction out of doing shit just for me. That's why I feel like I was infinitely happier in college. I was in a group of close friends, we always did shit together, had so many great memories. But today, just living for myself, feels TOTALLY meaningless
Same, been a top athlete my whole life and it’s been tough readjusting my direction after college and seeing how everything in the real world works just sucks, greed, power, unethical practices. almost feels like I’m living to die sometimes.
No way we’re living the way we’re supposed to be
So thats why I feel like shit, because of Homeschooling, in school, when I am in a class, when we do shit together when we laugh together, do stupid stuff. It's so fucking fun, damn I fucking miss that part of school. I feel like I dont belong anywhere anymore, I feel lost, lonely and gone. And I'll be 15 in a couple of months. I hope for better days man. Sorry for ranting
@@notoriusdrifter40 what’s good my guy, we literally need human interaction to exist.. so you not having that is what’s wrong. Nothing is wrong with you I promise. Just gotta try and get out and talk to people more. You plan on going to college?
@@91111ful Uhm I wont be going to college, but I will be going to like a school where you learn how to do a job you wanna do. I live in Germany by the way. It's similiar to college, but it lasts about 3 years. I have three really good friends, like best friends and I have some people i talk to. But seeing how much more my brother, or some class peers have friends makes me feel really depressed and like a failure. At least I am really passionate about Music and playing Guitar. I cant wait for this COVID shit to be over, so I have better chances at meeting new people.
The most lonely I have ever felt was in a room full of people.
Happens to me all the time.
Sounds like you're introverted. We do well in solitude.
I used to say this...wow!!.....that was the most awful feeling.
Today....I love to be all alone and when I am in a room full of people I see their emptiness and lonliness I see the desperation in them to fill the void that is so obvious and that once existed in me....Jesus Christ came into my heart ...by faith....he saved my wretched soul from hell he brought me out of darkness he gave me life and he filled me with peace that surpasses understanding :))
Must be the dmv
Amen
“We’re the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War’s a spiritual war… our Great Depression is our lives. We’ve all been raised on television to believe that one day we’d all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won’t. And we’re slowly learning that fact. And we’re very, very pissed off.”
― Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
Joseph Go awesome! Great movie
God fuck that, fuck another war. War never made humanity heroic or meaningful. War just made humanity monstrous, cruel and broken
That movie is my life. War is always going on....hot or cold, mental, spiritual, etc. The mental struggles I’ve been through by far out way any physical pain that I have experienced. The strange part is that I accomplished all the goals I sat out for....then I felt more empty than ever. How the hell does being in Bora Bora at age 23 not make your depression go away? I couldn’t figure that out back then. I essentially just let go of everything that I’d worked so very hard for. I’m much happier but money is always an issue no matter what right? I’m just trying to be content with what I have, and live day to day.
Bnlol1
True war is terrible
But war gives men purpose
To die and fight for a cause greater then themselves
Men want purpose so much they will go to extremes to achieve that
@@ethanmcfarland8240 right the cause of "absolute and utter fucking masochistic chaos" sure is SO meaningful. Have you ever actually *read* the memoires of soldiers who saw war firsthand? In Vietnam, in Korea, in Europe, in the Pacific. there was no meaning, only trauma, pain, and insanity.
The world we live in runs on negative energy
BUCKETHEADache clever joke and love ur username
Truth. Go on Twitter or facebook.
Yep, society is kept in a cycle of fear and uncertainty so people look for comforts to help them cope with life. The wealthy elite rule this world, the rest of us are just left to fend for ourselves in this rat maze.
@elnombre *wants over in america idk where you're at
That's the whole purpose and point of the matrix.
Modern culture is awful, LOTS of people are lonely and depressed. It's only going to get worse. It is hard to make new friends in the sickening rat race.
You sound like me lol... Always thought technology would make things better, not so abysmal.
I always thought I was lonely but it turns out there is an entire community that goes through this because of modern society
What does that have to do with Indians?
Yeh thats the price of competition , hence despite my success I’ve always wanted to do it taking people with me not at the cost of my fellow humans
@Logic Seeker Well maybe if you met Spock or someone like Spock you’d find a friend.
It seems like people are hungering for meaning and heroism.
That is why make believe super hero films are so popular and people are retreating to video games
That's also why young people from around the world join ISIS.
Check out Dr Jordan B Peterson. He has talked about this forever!
@@Lat3ksi and why Benito's movement was so popular in Italy. He pushed meaning in life through constant struggle.
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This is why a zombie apocalypse sounds so appealing to people
Escalathor _ the purge
Jack that's not it. Those people just watch too many movies and have zero lives.
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Bro what you just said re affirms the point of this podcast excerpt and this comment
You can’t see that?
Life without the IRS, sounds good
Your in Neverland!
I used to be a volunteer fireman. That's why I was always so happy when I was volunteering my time to the community. It gave me a sense of purpose and meaning.I never got that from my job when I was getting paid.
Junger is spot on with the sense of 'being needed' playing an important role in personal welbeing
Vas Baev yeah just state the obvious and all the sheep will follow!
fewhavestrength or just reflect on the content of a video and people will agree. Are you insinuating I'm mining for CZcams comment likes? Hahah
no I'm just illustrating your stupidity haa!
people.need.to stop "following their dreams" and make themselves useful then they will feel needed because they won't be unskilled lethargiacs protesting for a higher minimum wage
fewhavestrength what's the purpose of your existence?
Modern life is too complicated, simple as that. This is why people are depressed.
Also; we never really enjoy the present because in western society we are always sacrificing it to create a better future.
Toward the 2nd half of what you wrote, whose fault is that?
cognitive dissident I would consider it societies. To get ahead, or make a good life for yourself, it’s what you need to do.
@@bubbasernie5762 Has anyone ever "gotten ahead?" I don't think so. It's all a grand illusion. We can choose to do something different but we like the feeling that money gives us. It feels like...power.
@Chuck Nourrizzz Easier said than done, especially in covid times
Chuck Nourrizzz Make more money, want more money. Rinse and repeat.
Sometimes I look at a squirrel or a bird and think they have a better life. Sure they have their own issues but they don’t have to worry about human stuff like mortgage, credit cards, banks, housing, college and probably thousand of other things. They just roam around and search for food, eat, sleep etc. we all die eventually anyway, why does our life have to be so complex.
Yeh that's I think sometimes too
I feel like one day the world decided to conquer the entirety of the planet and coop us up in a place of capitalism to run their system. Life was not made to be easy but shouldn't have been this difficult either.
Me too man. I will just stare into their eyes and get lost in my head with thoughts similar to what you’re saying
@@Hevted yeah. i think they are way more free than us. humans are too complicated
Because all of us have been bought by the system. We think all these luxuries in modern life are there to free us from the shackles of modern nature, but they aint. They are there to make a zombified slave out of you, me and everybody else. In nature we didnt have shit, but we were FREE. In society we have everything, but we are SLAVES. To our vices. to our clothes. To our conditions. To many empty signifiers to keep us distracted from that very fact. But it isnt going anywhere. And many people are starting to catch on...
I feel awful for kids growing up in the modern world. There is NO WAY to protect them. It's HARD FOR ADULTS.
These kids, the majority anyways, will all grow-up very fast, learn "painful truths" at far too young of an age, and as a result, many will suffer from permanent psychological damage by the time they are 16. Yet, to them, they will think of it as normalcy, which is even scarier.
Side-note: I often see this group of 17-18 year old's that hang-out at a gas-station / bong-shop near my house, and when I look in their eyes, there isn't a SHRED of naivete, innocence, wonder, or awe that remains within them...
They have the souls of a middle-aged con-man.
Quite sad.
This is why I refuse marriage and kids. I do not want kids to this world. You can not play and be you, you need to perform and start working for the big. No wonder people are depressed when the only thing you do, is work work work, to have your 4 week vacation a year. Depression is here also because of this. People are just too tired to live like robots 24/7.
@@copspybot8293 i can attest
Never bringing or birthing any biological offspring’s from my bloodline and familial unit. I’m to groggy and calloused to even want to bring another human being into this bullshit cycle we call “life”.
Definitely life itself and the world economic forum can be full of shit sometimes.
Anyways screw the WEF. They can go scam they’re dedicated capitalists and hug their slave wagers.
Well kids have been living in this modern world for over 100 years. This man is talking about hunter/gatherer societies. For which most of us stopped living about 200 years ago. He's not talking about how different life is in the last 10 years vs 30 years ago. He's talking about live in the last 200 years vs life 200 years ago and beyond
@@coryburns4309 I agree with everything you pointed out, except one thing:
Childhood, particularly the teenage years, has RADICALLY CHANGED in the last 20 years due to the internet.
When I was 18-19 (late 90s) I was still VERY innocent. I had never seen hard core porn, a lot of ugly truths about the world and our society were still hidden from me, etc.
In short, because of the internet, I was more of a child at 19 than many 12 year olds are today.
But, I do understand what you're saying.
I’ve heard people say some of their most fun times was before & after a hurricane ( providing it wasn’t life threatening). Neighborhoods would be almost like a block party with people sharing resources & families staying with each other. In fact, it was a let down in a sense when the electricity came back on
have experienced this
Because it forces the connection to each other which we need but rarely get
yeah. it's a dramatic glimpse into how things used to be
support
Dealing with depression, I'm beginning to understand both people who commit suicide and those nutters that drop everything and go and live in the arse end of nowhere in somewhere like Alaska
I know exactly what you’re talking about
“We work jobs we hate to buy shit we don’t need.”
“To impress people we don’t like.”
I don't usually comment on shit but it's crazy how true this is. In college we barely all talk to each other except in days of exams when everyone is desperate and exchanging information. Then when we leave, for the first 5 mins everyone is all smiley and talking, but after that, everyone is back to being zombies.
HOLYSHIT. I’m 3 years late but I’m currently in college and what you said has described my entire interaction with the population of my campus. A link of dependence is clearly lost and it’s just the most depressing thing ever interacting. That moment before the exam where everyone is exchanging info really clicked with me. I rarely comment on anything in general too
We have plenty of personal struggles, but we don't have group struggles anymore. When we were on the edge of survival we all had to do our part for the tribe and we felt kinship with others because we knew that we all relied on each other to survive. Our brains evolved that way, to measure our own well-being in relation to the well-being of the group.
Now everyone is out for themselves without any need to coordinate with anyone else. It's so much easier to survive, and that's definitely good, but we don't find meaning in it.
In a sense, each of us is a lone survivor.
That's why nationalism and populism is so prominent today
Then covid came
COVID must be gods sign that we are doing something wrong
Short version: people feel their best as part of a social group.
Maybe that means they're weak?
Makes sense we are social beings after all
@@TheDionysianFields Just because You find meaning in a Tribe, Doesn't mean Your weak. Humans have needs and humans must get what they need.
@@NastheVictorious I agree. But this guy does seem a little bit soft.
@@TheDionysianFields explain to me ehy he seems that way,? To me it seems like 2 guys talking. Confused how you reached that conclusion
I envy that life. It’s not perfect, but there’s so much complicated bs from the civilized world. People weren’t designed to work in cubicles, indoors, eat processed food and socialize on personal computers.
As someone who’s been through a category 5 hurricane the feeling of unity and equality after when everybody in the community comes together is a feeling like no other
I heard this awhile ago, "I'd never wish for another 9/11, but I'd give anything for a 9/12." Made me smile and want to cry at the same time.
i went through a category 5 too and it felt like life before the iphone for 3 months. i was the only person complaining as soon as electricity came back when everyone else cheered
and after the entire event is over everyone goes right back to their old selves selfish ignorant and arrogant consumers slaving away to line the pockets of the elite upper ruling class so they can live life on our backs on easy mode
I don't think sorrow is the biggest source of depression, it's boredom.
MrBeaux
Wrong.
MrBeaux
You could be right.
A vacant mind is the devil's playground.
Depression is located by depressed as being felt in thoughts and in the brain. There is an amazing article by a scientist which claims that depression is like a switch, a switch that your brain turns on, therefore it has a function. He concludes that depression is your mind alerting you that you need to do more. I believe people become so stagnant and also bored in life that there brain has to kick in and tell them, "right that's it, you've had enough chill, I'm going to burst your happiness bubble and force you to choose between a shitty depressed existence or achieve and act on everything you want and everything you know is the right thing to do"
I know it from personal experience, lol, but seeing some science to back it up is always good too.
Do you happen to remember the name and author of the article? I'd be interested in reading it.
MrBeaux
I read it some while ago. I've searched Google for 5 mins and cannot seem to find it.
It was talking about some kind of receptor (TCH-134 something like that) and how it is like a switch, it literally comes on/alive and is only on for people that are depressed, he believes depression therefore is a necessary result of your brain switching on.
Argh, i can't explain it properly..if I come across it I will definitely link you it. It is the only article that helped me believe there is a good outcome from my depression.
why do I need to go to college if I have the joe rogan podcast?
You don't need to go to college anyway. You don't learn anything you can't learn from the Discovery Channel for free.
Dumb ass
To have fun and tell great stories! Nothing you learn in college will be used in the real world!
Gator6 shut the hell up bro
To get the degree to get a good job. It's an access ticket. Most shit I've learned comes from Rogan and other CZcams videos 😂
I can relate to what he is saying about adversity because me and my family have been at a long term financial struggle since 2013 with our family business and we are more united as a family since we take better care of each other. There is also a sincere solidarity with our staff and business partners. Thanks Joe & Sebastian for those uplifting stories!
That's just called clinging to each other out of insecurity.
I feel like society is the exact opposite of a tribe or family. In a tribe/family you can joke and argue and get angry and everything, but deep down you know you’ll always have each other’s backs. You would die for them (maybe). In society though, you’re very superficially polite and cordial with one another, but you don’t actually give a damn about the other people that you don’t know.
When you do work for your family or tribe, you can see and care about the benefits that it brings about. When you’re working as a wage slave for society, it’s typically doing stuff for others in abstract ways that you can’t really see or care about.
Tribal mentality and life just does not scale well, and society is an attempt to to scale it. It becomes diluted and meaningless. And we’re all isolated and trying to cling to bits and pieces of meaningful social bonds.
Reminds me of when I moved to the San Jose area, so many people running around in isolation, neighbors don't even interact.
I fucking hate living here.
Makes you wonder what they do in those big ol' houses😂😂😂
Joe talking about how different people acted after 9-11 is so true. The energy shifted and people were so nice to each other for a while. I'll never forget that energy and experience coming out of a horrible event
Well shit... now I feel like I have to listen to the entire episode. This dude is making some great points.
I also attribute modern society depression to the fact that we work so many hours per week with so few vacations possible. And this leaves us such few time to spend with families and friends, or even personnal projects. And same goes for people going to school: you're forced to spend SO MUCH time absorbing HUGE AMOUNTS of information, probably more than a kid can ever assimilate. And the youth really need some time off.
Society is the farmer, we are the crops, and we are dedicated to be harvested all time long and to individually offer something great.
That is massively untrue. Work load in hours has gone down, yet depression has gone up. A person 150 years ago would work 16 hours a day and yet they were significantly less depressed then we are. It’s seems you do not understand where happiness comes from.
@@Prometheus7272 Proof that people working 16 hour days were less depressed?
@@forman208 We do not have data on people from the 1890's about depression. The furthest i can go back is the 1950's, the amount of time worked average has gone down from 1950 to today from 48 hours worked to 37 hours worked (that's a 20% decrease) and depression has gone up significantly. If depression was tied to working longer hours that number would have went down with the less amount of hours worked, this is not the case, so clearly hours worked isn't the source of happiness.
Sources:
Depression: www.happierhuman.com/is-depression-really-on-the-rise/
Hours worked: www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2094769/Workers-1950s-worked-longer-hours-tougher-conditions-holiday--happier-now.html
@@Prometheus7272 But depression can occur for many different reasons, and our work habits and our work environment could be just a few of many variables.
You must be aware that working conditions in some European countries are very different to those in other regions. Just take a look at work-related suicide in Japan.
Also, perhaps working hours have dropped im the UK, but what about workload?
Check this study out:
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.kent.ac.uk/safety/oh/Documents/HSE%2520MH%2520Stats%25202017.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiW1fvPu4bwAhVSKKwKHRzWACgQFjANegQIHhAC&usg=AOvVaw3V9eHol-9E-ZHzVMfDK8wj&cshid=1618703458961
And let's not forget the nature of jobs and industries have changed over time too. While in the 1950s a lo of jobs were still manual, businesses weren't as large as today, and commuting times were manageable. In today's world, things are quite the opposite .
@@Prometheus7272 but that work was for themselves
I Just live like i did when i was 17. Im 44. No wife, no children. Have a work that use 15% of my day. I drink beer, skateboarding and listen to the same thrash and hardcore bands i did in 88. So the modern society dont depress me. Im not in it. I have zero social media accounts beside CZcams. Quit Facebook 3 years ago. Best thing i did in life. It took me 2 Months to get rid of the addiction of telling people what i did. And thinking that thumps up was of any importance of what i do and feel in life. Its almost like a drug. Fucks you up. Sharing your life with every shitheads your met. You like maybe 10% of them
Hey Dan. Likewise I really dig those types pf bands (thrash metal/prog got me into music to the point where i can do sessuon work now, and recently have bern gettimg into hardcore too). I'm curious, what kind of job allows that kind of schedule flexibility? I ask because i am adverse towards most 9-5 situations.
From Tribe: “Human beings need 3 basic things in order to be content:
~They need to feel competent in what they do
~To feel authentic
~They need to feel connected to others
I just meet the first basic need, the other 2 feels impossible to get, everyday I want to be dead.
I remember a strong sense of unity in Texas , and I'm sure the country too, after 9/11. I also remember a homeless vet coming up to me and saying "we're gonna get those MF'ers". I was taken back that man that old, living in sub human conditions felt a strong sense of purpose. He seemed full of life, not the depressed sad worthless image one may expect from a homeless person.
@Johnny Casteel You're wrong
Alfred Torres yeah he got those Iraqi kids good on him
One of the best eras we went through in my country was during covid. This did not apply everywhere but because we had a lockdown, restaurants, coffee shops, bars etc. were out of order so people had to gather to parks and local forests and the sense of unity was unlike no other. You made new friends, went hiking together, enjoyed every second. Hell i miss this time.
Which community are you in?
Dear Joe, this is easily one of the best pieces of content you've produced in an interview with someone. The more credible people you bring on the show, the better
One of the strange things about living in this world as a loving, highly sensitive individual is that when you attempt to demonstrate love and generosity and compassion.. It freaks people out. I saw a girl who looked very worried on the underground in London today and it was a natural impulse for me to just ask if she was OK..... And she looked confused by the gesture. My friend then commented that I'm clearly not designed for this world because that level of care and love will only result in a mostly negative response because people are so unaccustomed to it. But my thoughts on this are... If I don't demonstrate it... Who the heck will?? It seems like it's practically impossible to witness another human that takes a moment to consider a strangers comfort and safety above their one. It's just so bizzare to me that we don't do that for one another when it's so natural to me. We are designed for that level of care and compassion. And actively shutting down and numbing out has only resulted in complete devistation of our entire wellbeing. Maybe its because I was raised in the countryside rather than the city. We're just very different down there. Life is slower, we stay close to nature, we value our relationships above gadgets and things.....
Its just weird that we've moved so far from our own innate nature that we've completely forgotten how to function as a fully thriving human being. And everywhere you go, there's a programme of how you SHOULD be is infiltrating your subconscious that certainly only confuses and messes people up even more. We need to develop stronger values. We need to stay close to this beautiful earth that supports us and gives in abundance. And we need more community. It only takes very simple things to make a shift in society. Things that we can all give freely. Empathy, sensitivity, love, compassion, generosity, support. It doesn't cost anything. And that's truly all we need to demonstrate individually towards one another to begin making this shift.
I try to be nice to people in public on a regular basis. Even just trying to be generally friendly is often met with suspicion or skepticism. Not always. But often. Everybody has their guard up. And for good reason. There's a lot of desperate and malicious people out there roaming around. But it still makes me sad. But I will keep doing it anyway because what's the fucking point otherwise?
2 years late but having been on almost both sides of the spectrum, I can make a comment. For me, If someone said "are you ok?" or any variation of that was sincere, I would second guess it as a ploy that that person was either just pure evil trying to lure me in to abuse me once they've gained my trust (abandonment from parents etc) or that the person was genuine and I didn't want to bother them because if they were a good person, I wouldn't want to shake their reality up and they would only gain a sum total of negative emotional burdens that I can't repay. If that makes sense. Victims who feel like victims often can come to the conclusion that there are only 2 types of people: those that are evil or those that are so good hearted that you're better off leaving them alone and not dragging them into your mess that you cannot fix and would be too much of an ask to ask for help.
Take me back to the 90's please 💔🙏🏼😩
Bad times create strong people,
Strong people create good times,
Good times create weak people,
Weak people create bad times.
😂😂😂
Exactly and this cycle is independent of whether we are in agri-times or modern capitalistic times. So much foolishness in the comments on this video.
SnippER that’s all this is, the economy is an expression and measurement of this cycle, of our behavior, our values, etc. it’s like a metaphor. The “money is evil” crowd really has quite a lack of imagination
@@mattmarkus4868 Someone acting like they know everything and everyone else is an idiot? Such foolishness in the comments
And shitty times... well, they are just shitty.
Absolutely everything about society is wrong period
Everything is a lie, and everything is built around monopolies on profit
No society has removed human beings from a lot of dangers, The problem is our brains are hard-wired to live in that environment of the past, that's basically what he is saying. Our minds never got a software update for modernity.
Agreed. That's why I always rebelled.
100%
@@stratosphere2323 it's the deeper meaning behind the Achilles story
Calm down, dorks! Neither of them are saying we should get rid of our houses and set up tipis.
But that we might want to take the good aspects of "tribe" culture and combine them the good from modern culture.
So tipis with wifi and air condition and free vaccines for everyone?
Is it really spelled "tipis"?
I've been spelling it "teepees" my entire life.
Tipis. Phonetically it looks like it should be tip-iss.
I just looked it up. It's tipis. Damn
Interesting because I've noticed that after or during something bad happening society seems massively friendly. During a few hurricanes the last major one i saw that people were outside walking and talking to each other. Cooking out, going to the gas station to hang out. People were fishing and having barbecues and helping people with damages. For a day or two everybody was like a completely different person. After that it was back to society and it sucked
This is why I'm gonna live in a VR game set in the cave man period
Theimbennn that's sounds amazing. The closest you can get to that is the video game Far Cry Primal. I played that game baked and it put me back in that time.
Same but I'd still feel guilty for it not being real.
The game should of course include an add-on that allows to disable the questioning of reality.
You mean man cave
Sylvain Bouchard Future-proofing.
I agree that increased urbanisation is related to mental illness. I do think he massively sugar coats how barbaric many Indian tribes were though.
John Glenn People idealise them as a bunch of hippies.
John Glenn haha it’s called the noble savage myth which romanticises societies like the native americans as being in tune with the land, peaceful and wholesome. Native americans were routinely genocidal, burnt forests all the time, and exploited the land just like any other society.
He’s a SJW.
Humans haven't gotten any less barbaric.
I think it's very silly to imagine absolutely any human society that has ever existed as not being totally and depravedly barbaric towards everyone except themselves. Humans evolved on the murder of other tribes
mainstream media makes people depressed
You should check out the No Agenda podcast, that's the central conceit of the podcast and it intends to be a antidote to that feeling from the MSM
ITM!
Brian Bearse ITM fellow slave! nice sub's BTW, interesting stuff to research before the financial crash JCD keeps predicting
Especially right-wing media
M Steefins especially LEFT WING MEDIA and their damn bias!!!
what an awesome channel we all don't have time to watch the full podcast hats off to the admin of this channel 👍👍
what else are you doing with your important life? you can download the audio, listen during your commute, or anytime you have spare few minutes. i always laugh at people who say i don't have time. it just means that you don;t know how to manage it well.
Aaqilian5.0 that or they're so single minded the thought of listening to something though provoking whilst driving is just unbearable
Alex Hunter haha! yeah that's a good point.
Aaqilian5.0 fucks it got to do with you what i do with my life are you a cop? 😂😂 wanna know what time a took a shit aswell you creepy little freaks in the comment section are always good for a laugh
Young Jamie if I had to guess. Best in the biz
The way our capitalist societyis button lt is a big portion of my depression and anxiety. The feeling of no escape from money and needing it, no matter where I go or what I do.....And it gets super loneyly since everyone is just going to work day after day keeping to themselves and it's like a free for all state....I wish we could live in a time where money didn't exist and we all just worked together to do stuff...
you can work towards that goal, its called the venus project.. the hard part is to get enough people to listen
Big Dog Big Nuts I will be looking into that (thank you). I am 27 but already feel like I won’t be able to last in modern societies.
@@floflomirror9704 same
Don’t idealise those times, pre-historic times were brutal.
If you weren't a slave to money you would just be slave to something else like food/resources. Grow up
i feel so alone and miserable
although I don't look for danger, I agree that danger really teaches who you can be. I learned from the dangers in life that I am capable to stand up for myself more then I thought.
The thing is though, what can you do? It’s incredibly difficult to go against the grain of society
This is why I have suicidal ideation
Luke Williams grow up
Short of living in the woods and hunting to survive, it's basically impossible. You're forced to abide by the system
@@CT-pv9gu Why do you believe that suicidal ideation is an indicator of immaturity?
@@toiletdestroyer875 that comment was a long time ago. Now I completely understand why people may have suicidal ideation. But life is worth living, even the bad times are secretly good times.
Been a fan since "The Perfect Storm". The insight in this interview was very thought-provoking.
Wow this is ringing pretty true. Specially the part at the end about our ancestors being the ones who faced adversity together.
Tribe is one of the most thought-provoking books. His chapter on Werewolf Syndrome is so prescient. Young men without a solid purpose have turned against their tribe for centuries. As a society we really need to get our minds around this phenomenon. Our purpose as humans is NOT comfort. If we lack adversity things always fall apart.
Correct, as a species we are evolved to respond positively to adversity.
If you took the time to read this guys fictional book I have some bad news... You will never get that time back. This guy gave out false info at least twice in this short clip.
i feel like anomaly because i find most people annoying and i like to be by myself but also i feel huge sense of boredom because there is nothing meaningful to do other than going to school and doing your homework and even those activities are boring/not fun to do so i just end up sitting in front of my computer all day bored questioning existance and thinking what could i do
VERY interesting discussion. Especially the parts about the effect of food production / agriculture on human societies.
Modern society devolved back to everything it spent millennia evolving out of. Because of narcissists.
+100 yes that explains a lot in western societies. But why do people not acknowledge Narcissism as the reason for this.
"Nothing has meaning save the one you give it".
Give love ya'll and let things be. Everything will be alright.
I had to come back to this clip as I was reminded recently at how in the UK, during the coronavirus outbreak, I am absolutely positively convinced that everyone that I have seen in the little social interactions that I have had has been more pleasant and people are generally more polite and happy.
I feel like I'm watching the world crumble at times.
We also live in a society that equates careers that offer no fame, social recognition or tons of money as mundane, worthless and classify the people who do them as losers, folks that have settled in life. That's a problem.
People who do jobs that gave a sense of purpose and meaning are the ones who get the most out of life; First responders, Military service, volunteering, or anything that requires a group effort to get a task bigger than themselves accomplished is how humans were meant to be. Great friends can be found in these areas.
Society has become more and more and more based on the individual . People today are so insular . Hec you can live next door to folk for years and not know their names , let alone anything about them . Funny thing is they seem to prefer it that way . The word "privacy" is the all important buzz word today . Neighbors plant huge bushes and even trees hard up against fence lines so you cant even see their lawn let alone them , you cant smile and say a good morning anymore , as we all used to do many decades ago. Its frigging sad and yes it is depressing . People just seem to miss trust one another in this modern world now . I'm 72 years old and remember full well how it once was when I was a kid , and even as a teen and young adult . Not sure when the rot started . It just seemed to creep up on us I think as time rolled on . Its absolutely awful. Bigger cities now , huge populations , labor and time saving devices of every description , all the mod cons your heart can desire . Yet we hear all the time that people are so busy , so stressed and so lonely and depressed, in spite too of being able to contact anyone, anywhere , anytime , with communication devices my generation would never have even dreamed of . Go figure .
I find it so easy to get comfort from all this talk - but hard to actually kill the part of me that wants to act like it's the answer, or to wave it up in the air like I am some semi-enlightened being... and even more difficult to instead turn my insecure and self-doubting heart toward the world and engage, with no expectation that the insecurity or self-doubt will ever go away, or is ever supposed to go away. The fact is, every child should be taught that doubt, negative feelings are a part of life. Our bodies produce them for a reason, but then as our bodies interpret it's own experience, denies one side of itself. It's truly crazy. Running away from our own bodies is what makes us insane.
This is sad world, we work 40 hours, that's too much. I have no energy to perform 40 hours at work. No one can. Then clock to these insane hours traveling work related and making yourself up. It feels like you are living just for someone else, and then you can buy stuff. Which is just stuff. Modern society makes us sick with too much work and we literally need to perform. How many of you working or schooling have time to do what you really like? Most people I know do not have time for their hobbies. They trade their time for money they don't need too much.
For what? Everyone waits that one day we have marriage, kids, shiny houses, new cars... I never felt so alone in my life until I was around people. Everything is just the same scam.
It's because Materialism is the be all and the end all of modern society: people are judged by how much they possess, and what they possess...thus, people are divorced and alienated from their true selves...Spirituality, thus, is an antidote to that emptiness of modern life, because it reconnects the individual to oneself...
My God! This is why some people here in Northern Ireland want the troubles to come back- they have that nostalgic longing for community spirit when their neighborhoods were being under siege or attacked either by oppressive British forces or IRA bombs
everyone wants change. i remember in the states in 2020 a lot of people i knew were unironically excited for the concept of national collapse, civil war, or massive disruption of society. we all want to escape our current lives
@@wfr1108 And alongside the givving supplies to Ukrainians, some Americans tried to enlist to help protect Kviv.
thank you so much for this podcast..🙏
When you live with 30 people you’re needed for something. You feel wanted
Starbucks. People on devices.
Sidewalks. People on mobile phones.
Subways. People wearing headphones.
My kids. Headphones.
Beat @@nightfighter7452
Hotel: trivago
Too many crackheads on the subway to be going in there with no protection
@@nightfighter7452 and ur wife, and ur meat
Okay boomer
Speaking of diet, the natives were healthy with plenty of nutritious food before the settlers came. What followed after is, well... there are no words to describe.
Yep, plus they practiced holistic herbal medicine
America post 9/11 was amazing. I remember everyone being so nice and us kids got away with skateboarding anywhere we wanted. Also I work construction and I worked so hard from age 17 to now (I am 28) I am pretty much gonna be able to retire in the next few years. Lived frugally and worked a fuck ton. I feel 60 years old. I have not met any other person out of thousands that works like me. Only one I know is an electrician. he literally will be on site at 3am running running conduit and shit.
Love listening to good conversations
"We evolved to live in groups of 30-40 people in a harsh environment, totally interreliant on one another for survival."
This made my eyes teari.
It may sound odd but I felt happier in jail where I felt accepted and connected with people who appreciated me where I don't feel that in regular society...thats why a lot of people get stuck in that cycle and become institutionalized
7:45 reminds me of a book I'm reading right now. In the book there is a war going on and one side uses bridge crews. The bridge crews are slaves that have to run bridges up to chasms while the enemy archers fire at them. Eventually they get out of that fate but later on some of then talk nostalgically about the bridge days because they all had to look out for eachother. This parallels my own life although less violently lol. I recently quit my job and it was a very physically tough job. We'd have about 20 people on each team moving thousands of pieces of freight every day. Now that I'm away from it I feel a lack of purpose and comradeship although I dont miss the work.
Priceless dialogue....
I will read his book !
We've learned how to cope with bad things. Now it's time to learn how to accept happiness and appreciate it
I'll also add learn to love ourselves more and those around us
Solitude is a gift - Henry Bukowski.
I’m happiest when I’m alone.
"In the face of hardship and danger that people come to understand their value to society"
I think I have a new favorite video on youtube.. Amazing words
We have no purpose in Western culture.
Native Americans were superior to us. We should all try to be more like them
@@fusion772 too late, population decimation and replacement already happened.
@@johnnyhshify not sure if I get your point please explain
With no vision, the people perish...
fusion772 You can’t live like a tribal nation in a post-industrial world. Stop dreaming.
How messed up and painful is our society that we need a life-threatening crisis to bring us together and make us feel alive again
I have thought bout this on my own for the past year or two now and it’s nice to see someone come to the exact same conclusions
I have that book as well.
Very interesting.
I was reading this even though English language is not my first.
Greetings from Gdynia
Tribe is a GREAT book. You just need to look at a post industrialized society, like Japan (with the lowest birth rates, highest suicide rates, and highest levels of depression/anxiety), to see that modern society isn't making us happier.
This is some golden stuff right here
Great segment
We can help ourselves feel less lonely if we make an effort. I used to blame my loneliness on “modern society” and “social media culture” also until I started seeing a therapist who helped encourage me to reach out more often to those around me. When you reach out to others to talk about heavy topics like loneliness, depression, and isolation, i think you’d be surprised at how many others feel this too and how we can bond over it and help curtail those feelings for each other.
cool story. who are these "people around you" that you speak of? They sound nice.
We are living in cage 24/7 modern society is cancer for us
@@Shlogger facts.
Society is horrible... No one is truly free. Most people are stuck feeling trapped living a miserable life. It's a shame that the world is this way. The system benefits the few and leaves the majority oppressed. How many people wake up everyday forced to live in a way they don't want to? If I were to guess, I would say it's a majority of the human population...
Everyone is expected to act a certain way, live a certain way, and even if they don't agree with it, they put a mask on and do it anyway. Everyone is just pretending....
No one can truly live the way they want to. It's possible, but most don't achieve that dream. Everything you try to do, there is always an obstacle standing in your way preventing you from doing it. Some among us are lucky enough to overcome them. Others don't.
It's like everyone is a zombie. We are not truly free... Animals for example are truly free because they can just live. Not humans. We are constantly pressured. We have expectations we need to live by. Do we really have free will? Isn't everyone just living there lives based off of someone else's idea of what the world should be like?
Aren't we living our lives based off of the way people have told us things should be? We have these ideas planted into us from a young age and we never question them.
We just say thats the way it is...
Do we really have a choice? We are given the illusion that we do, but we don't. If we don't abide by societies expectations than we will be failures right? Make money to live... Live to make money....
All my life I've always felt like something was missing... Like there was something wrong.. perhaps the way we are currently living isn't the way humans are supposed to live... I've felt this way for a while... Once I reached a certain age I realized just how fake everything is...
We have no choice, but to conform. Conform and live in a way that doesn't make us happy.
This is the cruel reality of life.
Yeah, sit your ass off at the desk for 8 hour plus in your car for 2 hours traveling to do that. It seems like for most people work is life and the only remaining hobby eating all resources. I work too, but I feel like there is no other hobbies anymore as soon as I started working. Literally no time, then after work go for groceries, wash clothes and anything like that.
Then people say, but at least we are free. I mean, free? Waking each day at six to do the same as yesterday? Our yesterday is our future in most cases...
@chillin like a chinchilla.
I hear you. I feel the same that something is missing. Too much negativity, jealousy and greedy users with today's society, everyone wears a mask it's sickening. I do not wear a mask and I'm hated for it, lying or being false has never really done it for me, I was bought up better than that and as my dad said You can always watch a thief but you can never trust a liar.
When you do try and help people they just take advantage and think because your kind that your stupid and weak, I'm over it, as my dad always said trust no bastard, not even your own family because they don't want you to get ahead and be better than them, I suppose he had been taken advantage off so many times that he didn't trust anyone in the end. it's sad I know but that is just the way life is now
Hey Joe, One of the most helpful guests on the show, Sebastian Junger. More of this kind Joe.
Yep relate to this video alot...
I think we desperately need a new counterculture in today’s shallow world
Traditionalism.
@@varolussalsanclar1163 absolutely. people don’t realize that socially speaking the only way forwards is backwards. tradition is tradition because it worked. i don’t understand (and never will) why we abandoned it.
@@wfr1108 this right here.
Two films come to mind: "Dances with Wolves" and "A Man Called Horse".
Mike Manocchi also Jeremiah Johnson
6:32 I have felt like that so many times before
Some real talk great clip !!!
‘You are unfortunate in my judgment, for you have never been unfortunate. You have passed through life with no antagonist to face you; no one will know what you were capable of, not even you yourself.’
Nice username
@@handsomesquidward5160 thx
Kony 2012
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I don’t want to feel needed. I want fulfillment nothing more nothing less.
Western society can be unfulfilling
Love this discussion.
Digging a ditch in cold weather is hardship and everybody likes the feeling of being needed.
What are some ways to combat the loneliness or feeling a lack of importance in society? Not as in changing society but on a personal level, what can someone do to feel like they have purpose or feel similar to what we are genetically wired to feel?
same here. My question is okay now what do we do?
firefighters are real hero's..you know all about crooked cops but firefighters always been solid
that makes sense. you can't be a crooked firefighter.
@@jeremiahkirkman100 well you can start wildfires like some did way back in cali
@@hellomynameissL1m wtf. I've never heard of that. why would they do that?
Great video, so much wisdom
Discussions like this are what make this podcast great
Any animal I think would find it unsettling to be surrounded by other of its kind that it doesn’t know. Drop a monkey into an unfamiliar group and it will be uncomfortable.
Then drop it into an unfamiliar group populated by literally millions, that's how humans live