Socialism in the GDR: Football
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2021
- With Euro 2020 coming to a close and in the wake of the Super League fiasco, let's take a look back to how the German Democratic Republic approached the beautiful game as well as the lessons we can learn from it today.
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Sources:
Bruni De la Motte and John Green, 'Stasi State or Socialist Paradise', (London, 2015)
Mary Fulbrook, 'The People's State, East German Society from Hitler to Honecker', (New Haven, 2005)
Alan McDougall, 'The People's Game: Football, State and Society in East Germany', (Cambridge, 2014).
Michael Wagg, 'The Turning Season: DDR-Oberliga Revisited', (London, 2020).
Connolly Youth Movement, ‘How Unification Killed the Beautiful Game’, cym.ie/2021/04/22/how-unifica...
I'm not a football fan. I've tried to like it, but it's just not my thing. With that being said, football is one of the greatest cultural products of the working class and it brings enormous joy and a sense of community to the working masses. That makes football something worth defending and preserving. Unfortunatelly, not all socialists see this importance and treat football as something trivial at best or reactionary at worst. Also, I hope that football comes home later today! The english working class certainly deserve it!
Absolutely spot on, it’s a huge part of our communities and has to be defended. A lot of the ultra left anti fun crowd sneer on working class people for liking football and then wonder why workers will never support their sects.
Glad to have your support anyway, time for the lads to bring it home!
Sports are very, very important to the social wellbeing of the people, especially the working class.
if there's two things in this world I love, it's socialism and football, so this is a dream for me
All a lad needs to live!
Come to Denmark, we have both, a weak socialistic system and a poor football league, and our prime minister must be the hellspawn of your all time favorite leader Erich Honecker. Denmark what a dump these days...
@@vilhelmjensen7957 If only Denmark was remotely close the GDR in terms of socialism.
More interesting than I expected. Here in the U.$.A. I disdain everything about the spectator sports industry, but I imagine I might have a very different view of spectator sports more like you describe in the former DDR.
Hello comrade, I subscribed recently to your channel because of the "Socialism in the GDR" series. Awesome! Well, today, football turned from the working class sport to the capitalist entertainment. I will watch tonight the final match of the Euro 2020, keeping in mind that profit still turns around. Greetings! 🚩✊🏻
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you like the channel 😁. Absolutely the game is being torn away from the working class, I’ll still watch England bring it home tonight but gotta stay critical!
I just checking your channel and suddenly a new video come out
You manifested it!
Everything I've learned about the GDR from ML sources make it seem like such a wonderful place. Of course every where had its flaws-but the GDR demonstrated that another world is possible
I've been looking forward to this
Hope you enjoy!
Hello from Russia, comrade! Can you tell us about DDR's army? NVA. Was hazing in the GDR Army like in Soviet army? Can you tell us about a service in the GDR army?
Thanks a lot!
Best wishes.
Really great video! I having been thinking a lot lately about how sport under capitalism is vastly inferior to a worker-owned model. Thanks for using a great historical example to prove this point!
Great video! Cycling in the GDR would also be a great topic imo, for example the "Friedensfahrt"
I'm current reading the People's Game by Alan McDougall and I have previously read a couple of other books that mention DDR footie.
I know it sounds strange but are there any good "picture " books on DDR football that show the grounds, fans and teams etc? As I was thinking of doing a Subbuteo DDR Stadium.
Great stuff Socialist Swan. I have now subscribed.
Thank you!!!
Just done binging the other videos after I've seen them a while ago, and now a video? Nice!
As someone living in the ex-GDR, those videos are great. I know a lot through my family, but it's nice to hear other perspectives on it. Thank you very much for those videos!
You manifested a new one!
Glad you like the videos, good to hear it resonates with people in the old east :)
@@SocialistSwann My family was better off back then, in comparison to now. I could just list the things, but you made a lot of videos about it :)
Another great production fella, clearly put together with passion even if you're keen to move on. Shared this with a like-minded pal who needed some cheering up and inspiration after Sunday's result, I think it did the trick.
Aye I think we’re all a little low after that showing, glad yous liked the vid :)
Democratic People Republic of Emmerdale by the sound of your accent?
Born and bred!
Fuck I want the GDR back so bad :(
Same 😓
Not if you'd lived there.
@@gunternetzer9621 If I lived there, why would I ever want to leave compared to the never-ending nightmare that is neoliberal capitalism?
@@jakekaywell5972 Neoliberal capitalism is better than totalitarian communism .
OST OST OSTDEUTSCHLAND
So based they beat the west Germans never new that
Only time they either played and socialism won, says it all 😌
YASS.
They have GDR shirts
Edited this in my DDR shirt 😎
does anyone have the link to this version of the ddr anthem?
Here you go! czcams.com/video/6YOUmX1T3tM/video.html
GREAT stuff here & SO interesting!! Keep them coming! :-))))
Do you find that performing arts in the GDR were structured this way as well?
Not a big fan of soccer. Huge gaa fan here in Ireland. Gaa is an amateur sport where you play for your local club and if good enough for your county. What drives the sport is local pride, county pride and local and inter county rivalry. Soccer in GDR sounds like that which is one of the main reasons why I love the GAA
What a lovely video, I wish the US would be more widely accepting of football instead of that violent monstrosity we have
One has to have a pretty open relationship with the truth if one wants to hail DDR, socialism, and football in the same sentence.
Can you please make a video on the GDR economy?
Are you mad football in socialist states was more corrupt than anyone else, but I do love these videos. Am new to them can see me staying up all night watching these
I heard ya on a Marxist Paul cast. I confess I’m not much for sports but I wanted to massage the algo a little for ya💆
Have a good one 👍
Been looking forward to this :)
Fabulous video, thank you comrade!!!
Do you have a Discord?
Does people in current east Germany want GDR back ? , any polls ?
Another absolute banger mate
One of the worst things of futebol today is that the only thing that matters is money, so clubs make anything for money, including picking up players from elsewhere in the world (just look at the French selection haha). This makes that the futebol clubs end up having less connection to the people of that land or even of the country
I'm not allowed to watch this video, it just says "Video Unavailable". Tried with a three devices to confirm. What's interesting is that the video transcript shows up, and that the comment section is still here. Have you heard something like this from anyone else?
(The video works if my VPN is set to India, but not when it's set to Italy, France or ROK)
Great video comrade
Thank you! ✊
@@SocialistSwann you're welcome comrade
Your videos are always great! Even this which was a subject i usually have no interest in 😅
Your videos makes me nostalgic for a time and place i have never experienced
I really enjoy your channel, though differ on some of your arguments. Well done on putting across your thoughts on the most fascinating of topics. I swam against the DDR and its swimmers many times . My sporting hero was the great Roland Matthes, arguably the greatest DDR sports person. The flipside was the actions of the Stasi with Plan 14:25 that institutionalised cheating and drug taking, though I hold the athletes totally innocent.
This is awesome
Hi comrade! School and school system next?✊
Amazing video!!
Powerful video
I've read that physical education in the Soviet Union was excellent. It might be something that you could cover with respect to the GDR.
Could you do a video about the truth about the Stasi
spread your wings!
nice video comrade
This is delightfully lunatic.
Dresden now in the second tier⭐
You know something extremely wrong in your argument when you have to say that there was “only twenty defect attempts!!!” How many was from the other side?!!!!
Hi (I'm not sure if anybody still watch this, but anyway)
You're wrong about connection between clubs and workers places. In old social-democratic world of Eastern Europe sport and politics were strongly connected. And having strong football team was one of the way to present one's power and influence. So yeah, ideas were really good - to have only amateur teams with workers on the field. But in reality those "hours on railway" were fictional, especially in higher leagues. So guys were training like professionals, with payment officialy for work in factory, but in reality they've never saw their work place. And could focus only on football. This is one of the reasons why olympic teams of DRs were so successful and, except few, have no importance in World Cup nor Euro. Those were essentially the same teams, with professional sportsmen, but able to compete with real amateurs from Western world.
So well, story of heroes going from work to training and able to compete with professional players, is beautiful, but false when speaking of teams of Oberliga :)
All this was ruined by State run doping especially in Swimming and Athletics
Football
the wonderful DDR where the party had the right to dope sportsmen & women up to the eyeballs in the name of socialism 😂😂😂😂
in this context, football means soccer
Aye, that’s my Englishness showing!
The first years of my english lessons I also said football instead of soccer. But I have 2 excuses: I'm East German, so English is not my mother tongue, and I'm absolutely not interested in football/soccer in any way. I'm not even watching world championship or such things.
But I watched your video about soccer in my homeland, and I enjoyed it. Good work, keep going!
Well I hope you enjoy your failed state……we’re not behind the english Marxist loving football players and tell your viewers that’s the stazi head made sure his team won the league ( Dynamo Berlin )and don’t gloss over it…..oh and how east german runners where given performance enhancing drugs ( Oral Turinabol made by Jenapharm ) but you gloss over that when talking about the olympics ….I don’t mind your political stance but give a balanced view and tell the viewers the horrible side of communism
Researchers have looked through the Stasi archives and found 0 evidence of March fixing or of bribing officials. No ref has said they were intimidated too. Dynamo Berlin dominated for 10 years because they were one of the biggest teams with an effective scouting system. We don’t say the Bundesliga is rigged because Bayern keep winning it.
About the Olympics I said they were doped but football was spared from it. Unlike west Germany which doped its players for 3 World Cup Finals but you don’t hear that do you
@@SocialistSwann they would say that wouldn’t they….I’ve edited my comment read on
No evidence in Stasi archives, no evidence from players or officials. It’s just a rumour from fans
Andy McDougall’s book ‘the people’s game’ has a chapter covering Dynamo Berlin and concludes that there was no formal Stasi interference beyond personal biases from refs. And he is an anti communist historian who has no love for east Germany so if that makes him more trustworthy than me that’s cool. Also radio GDR interviewed a Dynamo Berlin fan who also talks about the controversy