eBike Tuning SpeedBox 1.2 (B.Tuning) for Bosch (Smart System + Rim Magnet) Installation Instruction
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- The installation process and tuning control of the SpeedBox 1.2 B.Tuning (Smart System + Rim Magnet). SpeedBox 1.2 B.Tuning uses Bluetooth technology to connect your e-bike to your smartphone.
Do not update Bosch motors with Smart System.
New update (Software version 11.13.0) causes incompatibility with the product and we highly recommend to avoid downloading of this update.
0:12 Removing the Rim Magnet
0:26 Speed sensor installation
1:31 Removing the cover
2:07 SpeedBox installation
4:35 Cover assembly
5:44 Tuning control
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Nice video, but what about Bosch system without the display only with the battery indicator? There are plenty of ebikes nowaday incl. mine with Bosch motor running without the display. 1) How do you check the Rim Magnet Simulator without having the speed value on a non existent display? 2) Tuning of the speed limit- how do you do it without the non-existent display?
Good day.
If you don't have a display, you can check the speed in the Bosch Flow App. Or you can get the B.Tuning version (B as Bluetooth) and use our SpeedBox App.
Hi, apologies for the basic question but what triggers the countdown? Ot cant be everytime the bike stops right?
Hello.
Your question is absolutely correct 🙂
Countdown is the process of counting up the kilometers an e-bike would travel if it were traveling at a speed of 25 km/h. It is triggered if you have previously driven at a speed higher than 25 km/h.
The Bosch Smart System is quite complicated and we have written some tips from experience to eliminate the risk of tuning detection:
Drive at least 10 km before installing the tuning.
If possible, do not use the Flow App.
If you want to use the Flow App, turn off automatic updates and location and do not modify the speed limit, torque and riding modes. Do not activate/deactivate tuning during riding.
Do not exceed a speed of 35 km/h.
When stopping for a short time, keep one foot on the pedal so that the countdown does not start.
When stopping for a longer period of time, allow at least a partial countdown to take place.
After a long ride, the countdown may take several minutes. Do not remove the display if the countdown has not been finished.
So should it work also without kiox (and use of flow app)?i am not getting speed signal at all with that spoke magnet. With origina rim magnet speed is displayed, but cannot get that tuning feature on. Should those 2,5 etc show in flow app? Thanks
Hello.
Yes, you can use the FlowApp instead of the display to find the correct magnet position.
In Africa we have 32km/h limit from factory. Does the speedbox push the limit higher than 35km/h?
Hello.
35 km/h is the preset maximum speed. We recommend it for prevention against tuning detection. You can change the set maximum speed and drive at a theoretically unlimited speed. But it's something to consider. We would prefer not to drive above 40 km/h.
mine doesn’t work at all. the magnet simulator doesn’t pick anything up, it does not tune and what do you mean “check wheel circumference”? check against what?
Hello.
First we will answer the wheel circumference: usually it is preset and you just have to confirm. This step is used to set the displayed speed. As for the magnet simulator, we recommend a little patience 🙂 Spin with the crank, not the rear wheel. As soon as the display shows any speed value other than zero, turn the ebike off and on. At this point the system will "understand" that it will follow the data from the magnet simulator, not from the Rim magnet. If you still don't know what to do, please contact our support at speedbox-tuning.com, Facebook or Instagram.
Thank you
i got it to work. i emailed support and they explained the magnet simulator needs to be as central as possible. where they wanted to me to put the magnet simulator within the motor compartment, i had a metal block which didn’t allow me to fit it in. I put the magnet simulator outside the motor compartment, centred, and that’s worked. this might help someone with same issue i had.
Is It Waterproof Outside The Box
@@gerardrice7747 Hello.
Yes, the chip is waterproof.
In the video 3:45 is there an additional magnet? Because you don't provide it in the set.
What is it and what is it for?
Hello.
It is not magnet. It's just a cut-off piece of foam cover from our box in which we send the SpeedBox products 🙂 You can use any piece of foam you want.
@@SpeedBoxTuning está solucionado el tema del error 523003 , tuve que devolver mi speedbox porque al cabo de varios kilómetros me salía el error
Is it better to install bike lights before installing the speedbox?
Will there be a problem later?
Hello.
It probably doesn't matter, but personally, we would install the lights first. If everything works correctly, then install the SpeedBox.
Thanks.
When I install it, if I turn the tires, it doesn't show any numbers on my display. Even if I position the magnet differently, it doesn't show anything on the display
Im having this same issue. did you get it resolved? I have the new speedbox 1.2b and the CX Raceline. See no speed output on the kiox screen, even though it registers speed on the app. please let me know if you had any updates
@@GhulamHussain-uk3im send it back, it's useless, a lot of stress for nothing, I sent it back. just crap the whole thing
Hello what do you mean with "to minimize the risk of error codes, we recommend not to exceed 35 km/h." ?
Hello.
Electric bikes with Bosch motors are equipped with strong tuning detection. They attempt to detect any deviation in the data (e.g., speed vs. traveled distance, pedaling frequency, battery capacity, etc.). The maximum speed of 35 km/h is not dogma; this speed can be increased in the settings. But it is one of the preventative recommendations on how to avoid tuning detection.
@@SpeedBoxTuningOK, thank you, so even with the "countdown" process, the tuning could be detected by the unit ? In that case what would happen ? Is there a risk to have the ebike assistance completeley blocked ?
@@julienhardy If the motor is equipped with detection, there will always be a minimal risk of detection. However, the more you follow the recommendations, the more you eliminate the risk of tuning. If an error indicating tuning detection appears in the future, it can be removed without visiting a bike shop.
I have it on 50km/h, which is enough for 12 speed MTB.
I had it on 35km/h, but i can go 40km/h almost all the time, so when speed hits the limit as it was 35km/h, it was jagging the motor that can be felt on pedals, and is really annoying, that's why it is on 50 although i don't go that fast anyway.
@@macremacer-my8ow Hello.
The possibility of setting one's own speed limit is intended as a prevention, so that the rider can check that his maximum speed does not exceed 35 km/h.
One question.... how it reflects on battery life if your speed is 30km/h..... Does it drastically cutting mileage you can ride with charge or slightly?
Hello.
This depends on the e-bike and riding style. Several times a season, we test the riding characteristics and range of our test e-bikes of all possible brands. You can normally ride around 70 km, if you don't always use the highest assistance.
Hello, I have the FLOW application version 1.21.3, I don't download anything, I don't update anything. Will speedbox work??
bosch cx gen 4 kiox 500 engine.
Hello.
Starting from May 2024, we supply products compatible with the latest software version 11.3.0. The products should be also compatible with Flow App 1.21.3.
Hello. I try to install the speedbox on my canyon strive on cfr. It has no display only a central battery indicator and a small wireless controller on my steer. In the bosh app you can see the speed to place the rim magnet simulator correct. That worked fine. Then if you want to ride the speedbox is on when you start the bike en i can ride 30 kmh+- but after 300m the led on the battery status flashes Orange, But no errors when you restart the bike (without rim magnet) it works again for another 300m. How do you check the weel circum whitout a display or can you skip this step? How to check of your chip is enabled or disabled (2.5KMH and 3.5KMH on display) with only a battery andicator?(you cant use the app for this right?) Anyone advice on that orange led on the battery indicator? Thanks in advance
Good day.
You can check the wheel circumference in the Flow App. This step is not necessary for all types of bikes, it is recommended for preventive reasons.
If you do not have a display, it is not possible to verify whether the tuning is currently active or inactive.
If the LED flashes orange as an error, we can recommend trying to slightly change the position of the Rim Magnet Simulator. If the problem persists, we recommend replacing or returning the chip.
Did you get it work with that spoke magnet? Mine doesn't show any speed with that, no matter where simulator is located.
With original rim magnet and simulator speed is displayed but i can't set that tuning ON. Should that activation been seen via Flow app?
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Hello. I have got a Speedbox for rim magnet. I updated my bike's firmware by mistake at the last version, and now the speed box doesn't work. Do you know if it is possible to downgrade the bosh firmare?
Hello.
If you already have updated firmware, try disabling SpeedBox according to this video. You do not need to remove the chip from the e-bike.
czcams.com/video/dCuxoid3u4M/video.html
Then ride the e-bike for about 10 km without tuning and then try to activate the tuning again according to the video.
@@SpeedBoxTuningi can't access the video. it's written that it's a private video
@@ioncaraja2340 Sorry. Now you can watch 🙂
@SpeedBoxTuning is this deactivation method the way to update firmware?
@@macremacer-my8ow Hello.
Yes, this is an option. But in general, we do not recommend updating the firmware.
Hallo, wie ist die Wirksamkeit von Speedbox 1.2, da ich hier unterschiedliche Meinungen lese und niemand schreibt, dass alles in Ordnung ist, dass es seit einem halben Jahr funktioniert und es keine Probleme gibt.
Hallo.
Was die Softwarefunktionalität anbelangt, ist der Chip vollständig kompatibel mit Bosch-Motoren mit einem Magneten am Felgenrand (einschließlich des SX-Motors). Die Installation erfordert etwas Geduld, da zunächst eine Spule (Rim Magnet Simulator) korrekt im Motorraum befestigt werden muss. Ein weiteres Problem ist, dass der Chip und die Spule nicht in den Raum jedes Motors vollständig passen können. Dies ist kein Fehler der Chip-Kompatibilität mit dem Elektromotor, sondern hängt vom Typ des Elektrofahrrads ab. Daher empfehlen wir, vor dem Kauf des Produkts den Motorraum zuerst zu überprüfen.
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tried today, I've moved the unit in every position and the only one I get any movement on the speed I get a error with Error 523003
U Fonds the Problem?
Hello, what is technically the difference between the Rim Magnet and the normal Magnet? They have the same function and get one signal per turn if the magnet is passing, right? I am engineer and would like to understand why you need to use different speedboxes for this.
Hello.
In simple terms, a speed sensor with a common magnet works in such a way that each rotation of the rear wheel is captured by the sensor as one pulse. The number of pulses in time and the diameter of the wheel gives the speed, ODO etc. The magnet on the rim is wireless and uses the electromagnetic field from the electric motor.
The advantage of the rim magnet is the ability to read riding data directly from the electric motor (more precise data). And it also makes installing the tuning more complicated 🙂
@@SpeedBoxTuning Thanks for answering. And what is the difficulty to show the real speed with the rim version like 23,5 for 35 km/h? What I understand is that you simulate the movement of the rim magnet with an electric coil, the motor is reading the movement of the magnetic field directly without additional sensor like the speed sensor.
@@philipp6440 You are welcome 😊This is a different problem. The Bosch Smart System uses secure communication that we cannot "hack".
Bonjour, j' ai eu énormément de mal a le monter sur un moustache game.(très peu de place entre le cadre et le moteur pour le simulateur rim magnet) et pourtant je suis très bricoleur, mais j' ai quand même réussi.
Maintenant le problème en a peut près 400 km j'ai eu 4 détection de manipulation donc 3fois bloqué 90 minutes et maintenant il se débloque plus 😢.
Comment je fait maintenant ?
Bonne journée.
Malheureusement, vous avez rencontré l'erreur 524001. Pouvez-vous s'il vous plaît contacter notre support www.speedbox-tuning.fr ou écrire un message sur FB ou IG ?
Merci
Looks not so good whit the magnet and to expensive
Still bought IT 2 Times i give it a try :)
Issues hm lets See...
Will you offer diferent speed sensor f.e. mount on brake disc?
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@@user-ex3ww4gy2oits rim magnet, not brake disc, its main reason to by this speedbox
Hello. No, now we have only this one.
I have try to connect lights to my motor but it's need to be activated by Bosch service. Will this speed sensor work if socket is not activate?
Hello. The light socket may not be active. However, the SpeedBox does not plug into the light socket.
Breaking the limit...breaking the law.
😂
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Breaking the law, breaking the law!
Hey did it on my focus jam2 6.8 not working good why
Hello.
Can you please describe a little more how the SpeedBox (doesn't) work in your e-bike?
Thank you.
The signal from the rim simulator keeps getting lost every time because I have to take it outside my frame is not like in your video. Even when it does work, the error occurs again when I push human power into the pedals. I spent 7 hours trying yesterday, and today, I'm giving it another shot. I think I might have found the solution by fixing the speed sensor and securing the simulator strong in place. Hopefully, it will work better now.
@@BenjiBenji989 With e-bikes with a rim magnet, you have to patiently search for the signal of the magnet simulator. We recommend having the transmission set somewhere in the middle range. When testing the speed sensor signal, do not turn the rear wheel by hand, but turn the crank by hand. This should help in finding the signal.
If you are unable to install the chip today, please contact our support at speedbox-tuning.com. Thanks.
It worked well
Is good better for chi6
If it doesn’t work, do you accept return and refund ?
Hello.
If the product is not mechanically damaged and is defective in terms of software, you have the right to a complaint and exchange or refund.
Thank you I will buy it
Hi, I received the speedbox 1.2 tuning version. The only strange thing is that when I accelerate hard, the speed exceeds 25 km per hour on the "flow app" counter and therefore the engine stops for a second. Then, still on the flow up application, the speed automatically drops below 25 km per hour and the engine comes back into action. The problem with this is that when I accelerate up to 35 km per hour, there is always a moment where I have the engine cut out for a second or two. Do you think this is normal?
@@olivoliv7769 Hello.
Yes, it is possible. Based on our experience, we recommend this: do not use the Flow App while riding. If you are already using it, please turn off automatic updates and positioning (so that your speed is not detectable through GPS) and do not make changes to the settings in the Flow App (do not modify the speed limit, torque and riding modes).
@@SpeedBoxTuning Thank you for this feedback, I will try it. in the Flow application I have the following informative message: Magnetic field of the rim magnet too weak. but this does not block the use of the bike. is this message normal? THANKS
This is not working at all on my bike just keeps saying error
Hello.
When did the error appear? While driving or during installation? If error 503 appeared, it means a weak magnetic field. It will help to either turn the ebike off and on, or move the magnet and try the signal again and then turn off, turn on. We also recommend turning with the crank, not the rear wheel. If you are not sure, please contact our support at speedbox-tuning.com.
Thank you.
@@SpeedBoxTuning done all of that still not working it says error as soon as you start riding it just doesn’t work you’ve made a faulty product
@@Joeyriot473 Installing tuning for ebikes with Smart System and rim magnet is a bit complicated. Could you please contact our support with the specific problem and type of your ebike so that we can find a common solution? Thank you.
@@SpeedBoxTuning already done that tried everything I promise you it’s simply not working it’s a Bosch motor
Estoy igual que tú no hay nada que hacer me sale el error ponga donde lo ponga , ya mismo lo devuelvo
Price please....
Hello. Please check our web www.speedbox-tuning.com/for-bosch
400 Euro XD
Hi guys, Is this the only solution for ebike with rim magnet?thanks in advance!
Hello.
Yes, since the electromagnetic field needs to be simulated, this is the only possible way at the moment.
@SpeedBoxTuning hello.I just bought the kit for my ebike, can i put the speed sensor at the cranks side , or it won't work?
@@lekatr6815 Hello.
We don't know exactly what you mean. Place the magnet simulator in the center of the motor. And place the speed sensor on the side where there is no chain so as not to damage the speed sensor.
Hello guys, how do we check the countdown in a bike without the display? Is it necessary to do it after every ride?
@@lekatr6815 Hello.
If you don't have a display, you just have to let the countdown run until the e-bike turns off. After a long drive, the countdown can last up to 10 minutes.
How Software you u have? Tell me pls your Bosch engine update Software number
The last working version of the bike FW is 10.x.x (components except motor), and 9.13.0 (motor).
@@SpeedBoxTuning my current version is 9.13.0
@@SpeedBoxTuning It says on the internet that the Speedbox 1.2 no longer works from version 9.13.0, and I have already bought the box and now it doesn't work. The Speedbox 1.2 cannot be updated either, what is the solution? I need solutions!
@@ulasdemiroglu2518 Hello.
SpeedBox does not work since version 11.13.0. If you have a lower version of the software, we recommend not updating. Ideally, turn off updates in the Flow App.
However, we should have an updated product available next week.
We recommend that you then contact your distributor for a replacement.
@@SpeedBoxTuning yes, but my dealer won't take this part back and I'm left with the costs. The part cost me $399 and doesn't even work. Speedbox doesn't care either.
The max speed of this speedbox is only 35?
that kinda sucks especialy since this one is twice the price
Hello. No, the max speed is unlimited. The default max speed is 35 km/h, you can change it in settings. We recommend this speed to avoid risk of errors 🙂🤝
@@e-mike9776 Hello.
Right now, we would recommend to uninstall the chip and pedal on the e-bike for about 90 minutes. (You don't have to ride the whole 90 minutes at once, the ride can be intermittent).
Once the error is gone, you should make a few more calm rides without the chip (to get some new and clear data in the e-bike), only after that you should install the chip again. Do not ride only in Turbo mode during those calm rides, better to engage Tour, Eco, etc.
@@e-mike9776 I’ve got that bike it does not work in it
@@e-mike9776 don’t waste your money the software in the motor is too advanced for the chip
@@Joeyriot473 if that is the case, then this will be my last emtb ever....
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Not working on my bike. @speedbox help please. I have the new speedbox 1.2b and the CX Raceline. See no speed output on the kiox screen, even though it registers speed on the app. Even when I turn on the speedbox its shows no output on the kiox. Please contact me. Regards, Ghulam. Ps: I sent you an email.
Hello Gulam.
Did you send an email to info@speedbox-tuning.com?
Or you can contact us via chat at speedbox-tuning.com
Thanks
@@SpeedBoxTuning contacted you via your website, I'll send an email now.