Ebike de-restricting, pros and cons including how to do it yourself.

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
  • In this video we will look at whats involved with de-restricting your ebike. how simple it isn and how to do it. If you want to skip to the motor detail starts at 9.35. Please note that not all bikes need hardware to de-restrict them, some can be done via an app. (Disclaimer) riding a de-ristrected bike in a public place in the UK is illegal and I take no responsibility for your actions.
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  • @mulletthehunter7163
    @mulletthehunter7163 Před rokem +90

    I absolutely love my speedbox. Also changed my chain ring for a slightly bigger one, now I can just Cruze the streets at 25mph without breaking a sweat and hit 44mph the other day down a moderately sized hill... living the dream!

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +5

      Thank you for watching and your comments

    • @Danielkuota1
      @Danielkuota1 Před rokem +13

      Do you notice that are you causing any harm to the motor!? Like you say I am way faster in my normal bike and that is frustrating to me. The 15mph is to low. If would be a 20mph that is a decent speed. Sometimes put myself in more danger on the traffic because this low limit

    • @mulletthehunter7163
      @mulletthehunter7163 Před rokem +42

      @@Danielkuota1 not noticed any wear yet and got 800 miles on it. Pretty sure they were designed to go faster before some twats in Brussels got involved. Anyway if it breaks at least I know I had fun in the process!

    • @Danielkuota1
      @Danielkuota1 Před rokem +1

      @@mulletthehunter7163 thanks for your feedback

    • @eddiejefferies3659
      @eddiejefferies3659 Před rokem +1

      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      I have only recently found your YT channel, and have to say just how superb that it is.
      I was an early adopter of emtb's in the UK,having owned, ridden and reviewed them for near on 16 years now.
      I used to have a very strong opinion about the deristricion of ebikes. In the early years of riding an ebike, opinion was very much against them, and the topic of speed was very high on an agenda to have them banned. The pro speed lobby were creating a great risk that government might apply even stronger rules. The pro speed lobby basically took the selfish two fingers up attitude, only thinking about themselves.
      Thankfully, things appear to have settled down now, although sadly, restricted or not, an ignorant few risk upsetting the balance by going to fast past non assisted riders, or members of the public.
      I have had lengthy chats to Mark H about deristricion of ebikes and the law in respect of it.
      Without going on too much, I still don't see the need for a higher assited speed limit in an off road situation, but for road riding, 20mph would certainly be beneficial and to a greater extent safer in respect of being around other road users. I recently bought a Riese Muller Roadster S-pedelec to sell on again, and was actually pretty surprised that even with a 625wh battery, how quickly it drained. You can't have speed without using extra energy.
      Also glad to see that you covered yourself in respect of working on deristriced bikes. I was a bit concerned about that one at the start of the clip.

  • @seawolfkills
    @seawolfkills Před 2 lety +140

    Great video.
    My city is almost all 20mph limit now, though you wouldn't know it when you see the speed of cars.
    A sensible restriction for the UK would be 20mph, this would help you flow with the traffic. Rather than the silly 15mph that means everyone is trying to get past, sometimes without engaging their brain.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +20

      Yes I think I agree, 20mph is reasonable.

    • @Gent100
      @Gent100 Před rokem +6

      Not in a congested city like London, pedelecs are much faster than cars over a distance of an average journey which may be somewhere between 3 to 8 miles. It is only the motor power assist which is restricted to 15.5 mph, not the overall speed of the eBike. Fit and more especially younger pedelec riders don't restrict their overall speed to 20 mph local limits, they get to the destination much faster than all other vehicles, they can additionally use routes unavailable to motorbikes or mopeds, my son reaches speeds of up to 30 mph where permitted, albeit downhill, 20 to 25 mph isn't unusual for fit and younger pedelec riders with power assist limited to 15.5 mph.
      Cyclists can ride eBikes with more power assist, but the bike is then classed as a moped and a motorbike helmet is required in addition to tax, insurance and registration.
      The problem is that pedelec riders aren't wearing any protective gear whilst they are travelling at the speed of a moped, there just has to be a point where the power assist is limited.
      If the power assist speed is to be increased from 15.5 mph there will immediately be more deaths and very considerably more serious life changing injuries requiring hospitalisation as a result of people having no protective gear and for many of them not even a driving licence or any form of driving instruction.
      A pedelec bike can legally be ridden on the road by anyone over the age of 14, with no licence and with no prior experience of being on the road whatsoever, would you wish a child in your family to have power assist to 20 mph under such circumstances, knowing that in all likelihood they will be cycling far in excess of that speed?

    • @dtz1000
      @dtz1000 Před rokem +2

      Exactly my experience. I feel much safer on roads when i'm going 20mph on my ebike. I guess I'm not fit because i can't get to 20mph when the pedal assist is set to 15.5mph and the road is level. Cars have no choice but to continually overtake me in that situation. But when i take the restrictions off and can finally get to 20mph then i hardly ever get overtaken in London. Feels much safer that way.

    • @alexthomas9918
      @alexthomas9918 Před rokem +2

      Just don’t. It will become a full on mc in the eyes of the law, would u get on a mc without insurance tax or mot what happens if u injure someone civil claim good buy house job etc bizzies switching on to this fast look at min 6 points and poss ban not to mention large fine worth it ?

    • @rdrhouse
      @rdrhouse Před rokem

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic do you think a 50% rise in vehicle emissions is a good idea

  • @Rosendnd
    @Rosendnd Před 2 lety +40

    I think 20mph in UK would be perfect and nobody would wanted to take take this off, 15mph is ok for trails but on the road 20mph would be much safer as the cars would have no easy to overtaking due to traffic which is much more safe.

  • @jimwintersgill9099
    @jimwintersgill9099 Před 2 lety +13

    Nice balanced review of pros and cons, thanks Dave. Like the fact that you shared your own opinion without preaching! Personally I wouldn’t chip my bike, but that’s just me

  • @celticbhoy14
    @celticbhoy14 Před 9 měsíci +11

    You should tell all the UK Politicians to stop breaking the law mate and screwing their expenses to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds , that`s 600 mp`s who are basically criminals making up laws regarding E Bikes ,maybe you should send them all a letter

  • @kentnilsson9757
    @kentnilsson9757 Před rokem +2

    👍Good information and important to know, but so much fun with a real adrenaline ride😊 I am 57 years young and have a Canyon spectral ON 9.0 -19 with and your Orbea Rise -21 and have trim boxes on both. After having problems with both, I removed these trim boxes and now drive my Canyon which has an older software that makes it possible to change to American 32km/h instead, which I am now quite happy with. I am thinking of downloading a software on Orbean to have the same possibility😊. Still illegal😘

  • @boblatkey7160
    @boblatkey7160 Před 11 měsíci +3

    $195 and I can now pedal my specialized turbo levo up to 33 miles an hour! I absolutely love it! Just be careful and conscientious of where you use it. I do say I love blowing past road weenies as they give me attitude.

  • @edrees8559
    @edrees8559 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Yeah nah fair enough Dave you say it like it is I respect your approach. I’m on the fence, but leaning more towards getting one. Nice to hear someone not sugarcoating the consequences. I wish more people were like Dave.

  • @FENIA3648
    @FENIA3648 Před 3 měsíci

    All your videos are absolutely excellent. Also the language you use shows a human being with humanity. Well done too for replying to everyone!!! I would absolutely love to put a throttle on my Bosch CX Generation 4 (2020). Any information would make me happy.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 3 měsíci

      Hi Thank you for watching and your comments, unfortunately there is no way of fitting a throttle, sorry

  • @frankieporter6071
    @frankieporter6071 Před rokem +1

    My gosh Dave. I skipped past the intro to get to the part I needed to realise i know that chap !! Found you by accident 😂 I’m just getting into e bikes myself so i might be bugging you 😂😂. Your doing ace !!!!

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +1

      WOW, thats a bit strange, who would have thought, glad you found us. hope your well, please call into the shop any time, were in Sowerby Bridge.

  • @ThePackDad
    @ThePackDad Před rokem +5

    Upgraded my Rad Mini-4 with the Bolton (Area 13) upgrade ctlr/display kit last winter. HUGE difference in accelleration with no effect on top speed (22mph flat). Having experienced the upgrade, I'd be just as happy without it. It's fun taking off fast and blowing away my friend and everyone else at the campground or scooting out of traffic quickly, but it's risky. Almost sent it out into traffic when I stood next to it and bumped the throttle by mistake in PAS 1. It also wants to lift the front wheel if pointed uphill and I hit the 'sensitive' throttle too hard to start moving.
    I LOVE my fast upgrade, but I consider downgrading regularly. Be safe.

  • @stephenbrown5844
    @stephenbrown5844 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic dave, thanks for the footage my friend. I've left my cube standard as its perfectly fine and powerful enough 😊👌🇬🇧♥️love ya vids😏

  • @chocolon1129
    @chocolon1129 Před 2 lety +37

    Is really good to have that extra available when hitting big jumps. Scary when the motor cuts at 20mph

  • @michael_emtb
    @michael_emtb Před 2 lety +9

    Hi Dave, great video! A very polarising topic is this, I personally won't be derestricting my Emtb, but I see the desire to. Like yourself I respect both sides of the argument, but personally chipping isn't for me 👍🏻

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +1

      Well said! Thanks for watching

    • @WeeSmokey
      @WeeSmokey Před 2 lety +1

      Even 17.5 would be a game changer I think my hybrid cube stereo is really cumfy around that speed but obviously the motor is not engaged after 15.5 which is an absolute joke by the politicians since anyone using a racer can just glide right by and make you feel like you are standing still but lil clown on e scooters can do the same speed although highly unstable.

  • @thecremeegg
    @thecremeegg Před 2 lety +92

    I've had mine set to the US speed limit so an extra few km/h. This is purely because my normal cadence means on a road my speed sits around where the motor cuts in and out which is highly annoying. I can go faster on a normal bike so I see no issue with the slight increase in limit

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +13

      Hi, Good comments

    • @PsychicDavidJames
      @PsychicDavidJames Před 2 lety +19

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I have a class 3 here in NY for commuting and I would be terrified to ride under 28 miles an hour on the roads around here.

    • @paulrounding5260
      @paulrounding5260 Před 2 lety +36

      Same here, my speed on a run the other day averaged 17mph, it’s a typical farcical law and I will be purchasing myself one soon. There are no speed restrictions for cyclists on UK roads so why impose a 15.5 mph on a motor, most abled bodied cyclists can pedal faster than that.

    • @Nat-fj2bf
      @Nat-fj2bf Před 2 lety +4

      How did you do this, this is exactly what I want

    • @danielb.4205
      @danielb.4205 Před 2 lety +3

      @@paulrounding5260 You still can pedal faster just without support of the motor (depending on the motor you have). E.g. a Bosch Performance CX 4 just cuts out support but doesn't hinder you in any way to pedal faster.

  • @baggsofadventures2838
    @baggsofadventures2838 Před 2 lety +3

    A great video and explained very well, I don’t understand why the limit is only 15 or 16 mph because when you want to go fast at a trail centre it will cut in and limit you to 15 or 16 mph it’s a bit of a downer

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +3

      Hi, I personally thing 20mph would be better. Thanks for watching

    • @optimoespacio
      @optimoespacio Před 2 lety +2

      It’s just because the law hasn’t been changed to account for ebikes, so the legislation is based on petrol mopeds. Anything high speed is requiring helmets and insurance etc.

    • @Gent100
      @Gent100 Před rokem +2

      It is only the motor power assist that is limited to 15 mph, not the speed of the bike, you can ride as fast as your (unassisted) peddling will take you.

  • @pearsey657
    @pearsey657 Před rokem +9

    My cube reaction is fitted with a chip that I've restricted to 26.1mph . 15.5mph just isn't fast enough because I seem to ride at about 18/19mph so this is brilliant for me and the battery life doesn't seem to be affected. I would thoroughly recommend

  • @romeocollado6133
    @romeocollado6133 Před 2 lety +14

    Nice video. I do mostly trail riding. Blacks very techy uphills and downhill deep forest riding. Im in the US and our class 1 limit is at 20mph. I do not see or a need to de-restric my Levo. The only way I see a need for it is when using a bike on tarmac. That's just my opinion
    Nonetheless and as usual very informative videos. Cheers!

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +3

      Hi, Thanks for your comments

    • @phantombigballs8165
      @phantombigballs8165 Před 2 lety +4

      UK that wpuld be 15.5mph your extra 4.5mph makes a real difference

    • @romeocollado6133
      @romeocollado6133 Před 2 lety +4

      @@phantombigballs8165 i understand that. all im saying for me and the trails I normally ride. even at 15mph would be good enough. I max out at around 30mph plus but thats doing downhill trails...I understand if your doing lots of flats, fire roads that extra 5mph definitely make a difference. for me and my trails it don't matter.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety +3

      @@romeocollado6133 For trails, for most people, yes. It's the riding to and from the trails is the issue. In the UK we have no real cycling infrastucture and 15 mph encourages cars to overtake in a 30 mph zone.

    • @Gent100
      @Gent100 Před rokem +1

      @@darthkek1953 In cities it is pedelecs that are reaching their destination much faster than cars, a pedelec will usually cut journey time in half. It's really annoying for pedelec riders to have to tolerate the slow pace of car traffic in cities, they are forced to overtake (or undertake) lines of slower moving cars. Fit and younger pedelec riders don't restrict their speed to the limit of the motor power assist at 15.5 mph, most are cycling between 20 to 25 mph and 30 mph is possible (where permitted locally).

  • @ebikers2736
    @ebikers2736 Před 2 lety +5

    I have added a second battery to my ebike, (Super73 ZX) it does not change the speed but doubles the range, However, cutting the white wire on the board on my bike removes the restriction (and warranty) 15mph is fine in built-up areas but I live in the wilds, lucky for me have not seen a copper in our area for years :-)

  • @mav5204
    @mav5204 Před 2 lety +10

    I use my bike mostly for commute here in Canada have a bafang ultra with a 54v battery tops out at 65km it's far safer to be able to keep up with traffic as long as your aware and mindful of others for trails I use my m600 its limited to 45km that's all you need on a trail any lower would be dangerous for hitting jumps can't have the power cut when you need it most like

  • @JerryLilly
    @JerryLilly Před rokem +2

    I was debating on doing this to my 22 Rail 7. it tops out at 19.2-5 mph here in the states. Coasting on the dh's you can go faster. I really wanted to the derestricter so i could ride on roads. Most of the roads around me are 35 mph. Nonetheless...Ive decided against it because it is still under warranty. This is a great video as they always are. Thanks for the incite!

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      No problem, thanks for watching

    • @bradsanders6954
      @bradsanders6954 Před rokem +2

      If it has the speedbox, and a warranty issue pops up, remove the speedbox before it goes to shop.

    • @gitster2003
      @gitster2003 Před rokem +1

      ​@brad sanders I was going to say the same thing, who is stupid enough to turn up at the shop with the speedbox still fitted for a warranty issue 😂

    • @paulrogers5844
      @paulrogers5844 Před 3 měsíci

      I have a question if you de restrict a motor completely what is the maximum speed I know wattage and volts matter also

  • @salaciouscrumb1747
    @salaciouscrumb1747 Před 10 měsíci +7

    the thing is, 25km/h is simply too low as a max support. You frequently exceed 25 km/h even when casually commuting to work and then the support abruptly ends and you're dragging a heavy e-bike with you. 35km/h would be acceptable

  • @etiennemuller1
    @etiennemuller1 Před 2 lety +14

    I have a 1500w diy mid drive on a hybrid optimised for road use. I do live in rural countryside. I have restricted street mode to 750w with 5 assist levels, as I find this offers good assist level increments.
    There are two limiting factors on any ebike. The first one is cadence. Depending on your gearing you will end up ghost pedalling at some point. With my setup, in my highest gear, I will lose resistance at around 45kph…. 38kph still offers reasonable resistance at a reasonable cadence… these rates are achievable on the flat.
    Cruising speed on the flat for my bike on assist level 1 [drawing around 185 W] is around 33kph. At level 2 [260 W] around 38kph.
    The second limiting factor is range. The more power you draw the more limited your range. I tend to stay in assist level I [185 W] because that will take me around 80km on my hilly terrain. Level 2 [260 W] will only get me 50km…. On long hills my climbing speed [level 1] works out between 17kph and 23kph… [level 2] between 22kph and 27kph… These are not excessive speeds for a road bike. These speeds can be exceeded very easily riding down even modest hills on an ordinary bike.
    Basically, what I am saying, is that the whole thing is a bit of a non-issue. Cadence and range are naturally self limiting factors with ebikes, regardless of the power potential of the motors, unless you install a 25kg battery and use a throttle, in which case you are riding a motorbike, not a bicycle.
    As far as I am concerned, I observe the traffic rules, I am considerate to other road users, and I am very conscious of pedestrians. I behave this way whatever I am driving or riding. Cyclists, assisted or unassisted, who behave like assholes, risk bringing us all into disrepute, and it does not require an electric motor to be an asshole.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +2

      Hi, Thanks for watching, thats sounds like an interesting bike you have, can you send me some photos please.

    • @etiennemuller1
      @etiennemuller1 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I sent you an email with photos.

  • @tiddles4x4
    @tiddles4x4 Před 10 měsíci +6

    As a professional driver around Oxford and an occasional bike user I do feel a 20mph limit would be safer. Would flow with the traffic better and be less frustrating for car drivers. Any more than that then its getting to 50cc motorbike classifications. From what I have seen around Oxford the quicker cyclists get overtaken less than the ones plodding along at 10-15mph. The extra power would also help with hills. I have just put a deposit on a Scott Aspect Eride 950 for my 5 mile commute to work, need to loose weight and save money. But its a nasty winding and fast road with long hills.

    • @gary7vn
      @gary7vn Před měsícem

      30 mph no worries no problems

  • @fergusmcclelland9833
    @fergusmcclelland9833 Před rokem +2

    I bought my latest ebike online from a Chinese company. A throttle came as an extra. I then saw a film that showed there was a plug in the control box that you could connect to derestrict. I use throttle in town traffic to safely get away from traffic lights without wobbling and get me up to speed - about 17mph on a wide empty road, then I just peddle without using any power at all.

  • @heraldreichel1971
    @heraldreichel1971 Před rokem +2

    This might sound strange, but I use a programming adapter to put MORE restrictions on my Bafang BBSHD.
    Here in Austria, the legal limits are 25kph and 600W. I prefer to not break the law, but I also like the mechanical and power headroom the BBSHD gives me.
    Limiting the speed to 25kph and the current to 12A at 52V lets me do that. I'm a couple of Watts over the legal limit, but with efficiency and transmission losses I'd be happy to put my bike on any roller power meter.

  • @Deguilt
    @Deguilt Před rokem +4

    Didn't know Jeff Ross knew so much about E-bikes.

  • @jcb208
    @jcb208 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Just had to glue a magnet on the inside of the crank where the pedal screws in,turn the sensor round and job done on my giant fathom,been great for 4 years

  • @joshowens2062
    @joshowens2062 Před 2 lety +6

    Great video! 👍🏻
    Pros and cons:
    Pro - Bike will not cut off at 25km/h
    Con -

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety +4

      Con - legality. If you get into a serious accident and kill a pedestrian, you have your bike derestricted you can potentially face very serious criminal consequences.

    • @niblet112
      @niblet112 Před 2 lety +4

      @@darthkek1953 same as a motorbike or a car then. So just turn it off in public areas and turn it back on on the road.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety

      @@niblet112 providing it is legal to have it chipped but non-functional on the road, certainly. But do we have confirmation of that?

    • @niblet112
      @niblet112 Před 2 lety +2

      @@darthkek1953 I don’t know tbh. But as I am passed by the Lycra brigade quite often sometimes they pass me doing 25-30 mph I think the 15.5mph cut off is ridiculous. The great think about this gadget is you can set it to cut off at 20mph you don’t have to completely de restrict you’re ebike.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety

      Hi Josh, Thanks for your comments

  • @stu2427
    @stu2427 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Done both my bikes. My flyon and my daily ride cube. Would def recommend as 15 mph is torture. Saying that I only average about 18 mph. But the power is there I would def recommend. You go a lot faster on a normal bike than 15

  • @mikejefferson1284
    @mikejefferson1284 Před rokem +3

    Good informative video there dave , I have built a lot of bafang motor bikes over the past few years , but recently bought a Bosch motored cube , well just because it was legal , and I do like it the big problem is it’s rather garishly coloured and very noisy
    The bafangs are really quiet and a bit stealthy
    I do think a 20-25 mph limit would be more realistic, but maybe we just need to evolve and deal with it

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +1

      Hi Mike, yes I do agree. Im interested in your bafang experience, which motors/kits do you use?

    • @mikejefferson1284
      @mikejefferson1284 Před rokem +3

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I mostly use the 750w bbs02 motors, paired with the C500 display unit and 17ah or 20ah batteries
      These generally get used for trail riding , there’s a lot of nice dirt to where I live (fife ,Scotland)
      I find the 750 motor to have adequate power with a decent range the bigger motors are a bit of a handful on the tight woodsy local stuff
      The other thing with bafang motors is the ability to change the various parameters within the bms , free Luna cycle software,a cable and a laptop and you can then really screw up how the bike rides , or make it a lot sweeter

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +2

      @@mikejefferson1284 Hi Mike, thanks for the info, I have an old carrera in the workshop that im going to convert, where is the best place to buy the kits from?

    • @doggylover1958
      @doggylover1958 Před rokem

      @@mikejefferson1284 Hi Mike, I’m interested in trying the Bafang set up, where do you get yours from?

    • @bradsanders6954
      @bradsanders6954 Před rokem

      I just hate the 18.5 mph bog on my new Canyon Spectral, as a lifetime dirtbiker, 18.5 mph is just getting rolling.
      I may not go 40 mph all the time but I dont like the way it bogs me down going so slow. Its not natural, to me its a nanny state thing.

  • @tiddles4x4
    @tiddles4x4 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Was chatting to my local bike shop about this. They said the same as you but also added that it would drastically increases wear on the gear cassette and chain. Could even cause the chain to snap!. They said compere the size and strength of a pedal bike chain to a 50cc motor bike chain.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. watch out for our appearance on ITV tonight talking about the same subject, soon

    • @leenevin8451
      @leenevin8451 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Same torque tho

  • @Greyarcher1
    @Greyarcher1 Před rokem +1

    I have riden over 2600km now with my Bosh motor De-restricted with now problems what so ever! It opens up the FUN in EMTB would NEVER Ride or bye a'restricted Bike although i dont go faster than 25km often but when i do.....Man it is FANTASTIC,its a'Bike!!! And its mine i bought it i ride it as Faaaast as i want too in the Forest cos that is what it is made for not rode Riding!

  • @djm8027
    @djm8027 Před rokem +21

    Makes the bike feel way more natural as there is no sudden drop off in power, I ride my levo almost only in eco now and rarely use trail or boost. Speed now is limited more by physics and feels way better . Still getting the same range and I imagine it isn't so much harder on the motor as eco is only set at 30% for me. There is certainly potential to abuse the speed but given the option I would have a bike with no limit and only 30% max assist over a full power bike limited to 25km.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +1

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @rickywoods3101
      @rickywoods3101 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Only 30% assist is basically like riding a normal bike because the e bikes are usually at least 30% heavier.. even mine turned down to 50% is almost as hard to climb as my normal MTB

    • @grannyjone
      @grannyjone Před 3 měsíci +1

      Eco on mine feels easier than normal bike because there is more torque. It is comparable to climbing a normal bike with a tail wind and strava times show this

    • @djm8027
      @djm8027 Před 3 měsíci

      @@grannyjone always going to be easier with the helping hand , but as long as you record and save the rides on the e-bike leader board with Strava it's all fair:)

    • @grannyjone
      @grannyjone Před 3 měsíci

      @@djm8027 I save ebike rides in ebike but there are definitely people who dont. Many of those top times on climbs for analogue bikes theres no way they were not done on ebikes

  • @darthkek1953
    @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety +9

    15mph is fine for most trails for most "normal" riders, but on the road it simply encourages/forces cars to pass when otherwise they would not. It's as simple as that. If it was 20-25mph it would not be an issue.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety

      Hi, Thanks for your comments

    • @jamescorrigan2777
      @jamescorrigan2777 Před 2 lety +1

      It would as lots of drivers want to pass a bike by default soon as they see it. No matter what speed you are doing.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety

      @@jamescorrigan2777 EVERY driver tries to pass a 15 mph bike ONLY NUTTERS rage past a 25 mph bike.

    • @jamescorrigan2777
      @jamescorrigan2777 Před 2 lety +2

      @@darthkek1953 No shortage of nutters.

    • @darthkek1953
      @darthkek1953 Před 2 lety

      @@jamescorrigan2777 they're still the exception not the norm.

  • @Xune2000
    @Xune2000 Před rokem +2

    Delivery bikes in London have been tuned such that a quarter turn of the crank will prompt the motor to run the bike too ~25mph, with no further pedaling from the rider.
    I'm yet to see an accident, so it doesn't bother me.
    What does bother me is delivery riders going through red lights while pedestrians are crossing, cycling on pavements and speeding along shared pathways.
    25mph on the road is fine, not when you're on a shared path that's only 2 metres wide.

  • @FiveMinuteVelo
    @FiveMinuteVelo Před 7 měsíci +3

    Another major downside of derestricting the bike, is that the battery life (distance) will be much reduced.

  • @markshaw4382
    @markshaw4382 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Hi, I am a roadie recovering from spinal surgery that paralysed me in the summer of 2022. I am considering an electric road bike but the 15mph motor limit is prohibitive, as on the flat I can still push 17-18mph, even with my disability. Having demoed 2 of the latest e-road bikes, one with the TQ HPR50 motor and the other with a Mahle hub drive, as soon as you hit 15mph (which is relatively easy for a reasonable cyclist to achieve on the flat) you are suddenly peddling a very heavy bike and the whole outfit is totally counter productive. I want to be able to ride with my partner / friends again but I'm not yet convinced that an e-bike is the solution - yes, it would be very advantageous on the climbs, but I will still get left behind on the flats and downhills - where it wouldn't be unusual for a group to be riding at 20-30mph. So until a more sensible limit is allowed, the only option is to modify the bike which I am not comfortable with - for all of the reasons mentioned

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Hi, commuter/gravel,road ebikes are great at providing assistance up steep hills or when tired. Speeds of over 16mph the bike turns into a heavy one due to the battery and motor weight. unfortunately any more speed than the 15.5 means that it's not compliant with uk law making road ebikes a bit pointless unless they are super light

  • @johnking3863
    @johnking3863 Před rokem +2

    Nearly a year in and over 3000 miles, the 15 1/2 mph assist limit is too low, my average speed commuting is 17-20 mph and whilst the assist takes the sting out of any hills it’s pretty redundant the rest of the time. Off road/gravel and single track it makes far more sense where you’re constantly slowing and accelerating.

  • @arrrytruman
    @arrrytruman Před rokem

    Got to be one of the least opionated and most professionall comparisons ive seen we all understand the risks but realisticily the government should raise the limit potentially aloud only on the roads but its up for debate great video 😊

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @jordorfc
      @jordorfc Před rokem

      Raise the speed limit? Motorways are for high speeds residential areas are for snails

  • @pablo72011
    @pablo72011 Před 2 lety +2

    Hi, thanks for your video..
    Please can I ask the following, should I chip my Bosch 625, as I need the bike to do about 30mph, so I can keep up with my pals on ordinary road bikes..
    Just doing 30mph max, would that wear out the motor quickly, or not effect it to much?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety

      Hi, if you are asking my own personal opinion then the answer would be no

    • @Gent100
      @Gent100 Před rokem

      What about when you take your bike for a service and Bosch software update? are you to skip the update?

  • @johnnysmithphotographyandf8806
    @johnnysmithphotographyandf8806 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Here in USA they’re restricted to 20 mph. On my local favorite mtn bike trail there are 2 sections that I can barely go over 20 mph, and then for only 3-4 seconds. I find that on all the trails I’m below 20 mph 99.9 % if the time. Even on a flat paved road, unrestricted I can barely reach 28 mph, and that’s if my tires are tight.

  • @dag681
    @dag681 Před rokem +2

    I had a 2019 Kenevo that I ran the crap out, after derestricting the first week. Rode it nearly three years and sold it, to get a new Levo. My local Specialized dealer, nor Specialized itself, could explain it--and I did not tell them I derestricted it. The bike ran way better, the whole time I had it. It's baloney they void the warranty for doing it. Don't be afraid to do this, just do it right.

  • @boufent
    @boufent Před 2 lety +2

    Great video

  • @hexen4148
    @hexen4148 Před 2 lety

    Question! If you plug the speedbox for even a while does it leave an imprint for the diagnostics tool to find while doing service etc? I ordered Cube Nuride Hybrid Performance 625 Allroad yesrday :)

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety

      Hi, Thanks for watching, In all honesty I don't know. Bosch are able to see more in depth info than we are though.

  • @devinm.6149
    @devinm.6149 Před rokem

    I came for the content but I'm also enjoying your voice.

  • @grannyjone
    @grannyjone Před 3 měsíci +1

    Yes 15mph limit for EMTB on the roads is ridiculous. It is much slower than a road bike yet it is like a tank in comparison, plus it has far superior brakes

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @niblet112
      @niblet112 Před 2 měsíci

      100% agree. Which is why I only use the limiter on public trails. On roads I turn it off, all depends what I’m doing

  • @markwebster243
    @markwebster243 Před 2 lety +4

    Did you get him to sign a disclaimer before working on his bike? Plenty of reasons to de-restrict if you are on the road getting to trails and remember you can use the app to drop the power but it’s mainly in turbo mode,i did in my last levo that unfortunately was stolen not in my new one.
    A question from me is how many if any stolen bikes you have come across?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +3

      Hi Mark, Thanks for watching. When working on speedbox enabled ebikes I always give them back with the speedbox deactivated, customer always signs a disclaimer to the effect that they received the bike with standard uk limits. I have never had a stolen bike in the workshop that I know of.

    • @alexthomas9918
      @alexthomas9918 Před rokem

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic the fact that the bike has the device fitted in the eyes of the law makes it a mc, not withstanding it’s not activated be careful if god forbid one of your bikes ends up in a fatality a civil claim may well come your way. It’s a risk. All of these bikes will end up on the road public highway at some point

  • @fredericksperber3320
    @fredericksperber3320 Před 2 lety +4

    Most people don't understand how these chips work... nothing changes under 20mph. It only over-rides the motor cutting out at 20mph. One needs to be fit enough and have the gearing to allow that.... I love my Speedbox!

  • @earthling2022
    @earthling2022 Před rokem

    Hi Dave, Great video. Can you explain the security bolts pls ? and sizes. Are they the ones with a torx and a pin in the middle ? also where to buy from..ebay ? also can you get discount on the tracker ? cheers in advance dude

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Hi, most bolts are torx 25, some are security, some are standard. they are available from amazon and screwfix, which tracker are you referring to?

    • @earthling2022
      @earthling2022 Před rokem

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic ahh thanks for the info re: security bolts.
      I got a bit mixed up , as I was referring to your ‘gps must have’ video . I’m sure you mentioned you can possibly get a discount ..

  • @stephenfranks1193
    @stephenfranks1193 Před 2 lety +5

    great review dave im sticking with the factory set up works fine for my kind of riding

  • @pwood5733
    @pwood5733 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Im happy with my little 250w 24v folding e bike speed but would love to increase the torque some how as it is poor on hills or even small gradient slopes

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 10 měsíci +1

      Hi, thanks for watching and your comments, if you live in hilly areas it can be an issue

  • @danielgreen3715
    @danielgreen3715 Před rokem

    Thanks for your advice my question is will one of these chip things push it past the manufacturers tolerances that are already inbuilt into the engine as we know like you have suggested that companies like Bosch will have their motors able to do a lot more than what they usually operate at ..But for how long I suppose would then be the question..Mmm real food for thought cheers

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +1

      Hi Daniel, good question, The motors are designed for all countries and their respective regulations, Each manufacturer will program the motor for their bikes and their countries ebike laws, if a motor is pushed past it's designed limits then additional wear will certainly happen on motor moving parts and bearings, also on drivetrains and tyres.

  • @user-rt7bq3vp9i
    @user-rt7bq3vp9i Před 9 měsíci

    Ow do, great vid and commentary. My issue isnt not getting the assistance above 25kmh but the engine actively stopping me going over that. This drives me nuts. I have an ebike with a TQ motor, dont really want to derestrict, just to loose the braking effect. Any ideas @Yorkshirebikemechanic?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 9 měsíci

      Hi, thanks for watching, the effect you are feeling is simply having to pedal a heavy bike with no assistance. We all get used to the assistance it gives us and it's great, the feeling of it not being there is not, if you know what I mean.

  • @nickclarkuk
    @nickclarkuk Před 2 lety +27

    The speed limit of 15mph is ridiculously low. I tried a ebike and wasn’t impressed by the early cut off . If I buy one it’s getting chipped .

    • @evo5349
      @evo5349 Před 2 lety +6

      I was faster on my mtbike, but got my Kenovo ebike and derestricted it and so much better.

    • @acelectricalsecurity
      @acelectricalsecurity Před 2 lety +7

      If it was me investing thousands into one of these bikes, I would feel cheated, knowing that, the bike is capable of so much more, derestricting is what I would do, although I have built a few DIY bikes, which are really good fun, and piss the lycra brigade off when I press them on the road😂

    • @matthewsquires1734
      @matthewsquires1734 Před 2 lety +5

      Fully agree, I can manage 15 while falling asleep, when you spend a lot of money you expect a lot of performance. I'd just take it on the chin too if the cut off point was even 20mph but 15mph is laughable.

    • @jbloggs4161
      @jbloggs4161 Před rokem

      @Joe try one lol
      Mine has 85nm of torque, there's nothing weak about it

    • @frp1276
      @frp1276 Před rokem

      It's 100% government sticking it's dick into every facet of our fucking lives. Here in the US we have a 28mph limit and it's still ridiculous.

  • @tconnolly9820
    @tconnolly9820 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm in the market for a first e-bike. Yes, it is frustrating that I'm going to be limited to 25kmh assisted. Of course, if I have an e-bike with a good selection of derailleur gears for example like a Cube Kathmandu which I'm currently considering which has 12, on the flat or on the declines I can just do as I currently do on my pretty basic hybrid bike and just pedal harder under my own steam.
    The e-bike will be easier for me on the hills and into those headwinds and when I'm loaded down or pulling trailers. I test rode a different e-bike recently and it was feeling so relatively effortless even in the lowest assist. I was pedaling along gaining speed and suddenly something happened. I crossed 25kmh and I was back to reality, I would have to just pedal harder as I do already on my own bike. And 250mh motors are really underpowered too. As soon as I sit on an e-bike that's 120kg before I add any luggage of which I usually carry quite a lot. That's the load bearing limit of most e-bikes exceeded already.
    But not too long ago this very evening I was watching a video from Canada demonstrating the difference between a mid drive and a hub drive e-bike for commuting. Nobody mentioned restrictions or legalities but the hub drive was doing about 40kmh and the mid drive hit 60kmh. The hub had a throttle, the mid didn't.
    I was feeling oh so jealous and not a little frustrated. They didn't mention what brands the bikes or motors were or power output. It was just the differences between the two types of drives for commuting.
    The main reason why I can't have an e-bike that will do 40+ kmh on the flat is because we all know that there will be the normal percentage of idiots who will be riding them with due recklessness on the pavements and shared paths and running normal cyclists off the bike lanes.
    I'd love to be able to do 40+ kmh on my 20km commute each way to work. It would really shorten the time each way.
    And I would absolutely never go over 25 in a bike lane.
    But you just goddamned know that all the yahoos out there are just gonna go mad with the extra speed.
    There's plenty of them out there already on illegal and derestricted bikes and scooters regularly causing mayhem and damage with impunity.
    Am I right or am I right?
    I am actually now beginning to seriously consider the option of buying something that will be faster and stronger for those longer commutes even though it will need to be taxed, insured and the correct license. Which is making me feel sad because I really had my heart set on an all round e-bike workhorse. I don't know yet but I'm looking into it.

  • @willian.direction6740
    @willian.direction6740 Před rokem +1

    30 km per hour would be good. 25 in Aussie is a bit slow for trail gravel riding, there are lots of times out on the back roads I am doing over 25 but pushing the whole 21kg bike under my own steam which I deem good for me. So it becomes a roll down peddle up thing on my rides.

  • @betttina33333
    @betttina33333 Před rokem

    Thank you 🎉Brilliant

  • @rossmacintosh5652
    @rossmacintosh5652 Před rokem +1

    Dave, you commented that the bike on your stand needed a lot of replacements. That raises the question - do the manufacturers of frames & components design their products for the kind of stresses a bike could potentially see from being tuned? Seems to me there's a real risk of a failure that could be dangerous. If a frame, fork, etc. were to break going 65 kph I wouldn't want to be on that bike! I also think the point you raise about insurance doesn't get considered enough.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Thanks for watching and your comments

    • @Lee-ic2yn
      @Lee-ic2yn Před rokem

      It depends
      In the UK its only going to get you as fast as the rest of the words restricted bikes

  • @Fernweh1965
    @Fernweh1965 Před měsícem

    As a motorcyclist of 40 years and a cyclist of 20 years I'm fearful of people tuning motors. The injuries at raised speeds would be horrendous, for riders & pedestrians. Flimsy cycle helmets are just not good enough at high speeds.

  • @toddwatkins6162
    @toddwatkins6162 Před 2 lety +13

    Interesting topic, I can’t see the problem myself, if I can ride my Aeroad at 25mph on a road what is the difference in that to a tuned ebike? It’s got better brakes and I know for a fact I can stop quicker on my eBike that my road bike. As for trails, If you’ve ever needed to send something big and that motor cuts out just before the take off if feels like the brakes are on. Certainly does with older gen motors. Personally I see no issue myself, it’s the customers choice and they take the risk. Plenty of people tune cars to go faster :)

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +1

      Good comment Todd

    • @kangsterizer
      @kangsterizer Před 2 lety +1

      ebikes are heavier and dont brake better, they brake worse for the same exact bike. with that said i do think EU ebikes speed limit is too low. the US speed limitnis much more sensible. you dont need to go 50mph, but up to 25 f.e. makes a lot of sense.

  • @roberthuntley1090
    @roberthuntley1090 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I've looked a few times, but always chickened out because of the risks to my car licence. The law regards a derestricted bike as an unlicensed motor vehicle so you can attract points for that plus a number of related offences (no licence, no insurance, not wearing a motor cycle grade crash helmet etc.) You get the picture.

  • @stevenreyes3680
    @stevenreyes3680 Před 2 lety +7

    I’m not so sure about this...but from what I believe I’ve read somewhere, that you can trick the bikes computer by simply imputing the wrong tire size. I wish I could find that article or video or Reddit thing. And it also seems strange that all, for instance, all Bafang’s have the same top speed, more or less, regardless of the configuration. IF you input the correct tire/ wheel size. I want to do the experiment myself, but have to get a simple bike computer to check it against the display. This is where my moth eaten freezes up. Input larger or smaller wheel ?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +1

      Hi Steven, you might be able to do this on some lower spec models with cheaper hub motors and lower spec controllers, some specalized can be done through a phone app, bosch and shimano have their wheel circumferences programmed in at the factory before fitting and can not be changed only by shimano or bosch technicians, as a dealer we don't have the correct permissions in the diagnostic software, Thanks for watching and your comments.

    • @stevenreyes3680
      @stevenreyes3680 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic well, I’m talking about a diy Bafang Kit where you have to input tire size. I use a cloth tape and measure the actual circumference. All I really need is a cheap standalone bike computer to check what ever I do to check against.

  • @ap6584
    @ap6584 Před 9 měsíci +1

    My speedbox was playing up a couple of weeks back so I rode a couple of trail centre trails without it, which was nowhere near as much fun. If you've never tried one and you're on the fence/thinking you shouldn't my advice would be don't ride a bike with one fitted because you will want it.

  • @papalegba6796
    @papalegba6796 Před rokem +1

    Every time I commute to work on my ebike I struggle to merge with traffic, which is mostly moving at 20-25mph. Right turns can be a nightmare, there's two that would make my commute shorter but they're just too dangerous so I go a bit further. Also I tend to clog up the cycle lane on flat or downhill sections, then on uphill sections other cyclists are in my way. A limit of 25mph would make my commute safer, faster, & more convenient for other cyclists not using ebikes. My commute is along the most dangerous roads in the second worst city in England for cycling accidents, & I am a very experienced cyclist, who has never had an accident involving a car in all my 60 years (I once hit a drunk pedestrian who jumped in front of me tho lol), so I speak from experience. I very much enjoy my ebike, as i would otherwise be unable to still ride, & it is convenient, cost effective transport. But the 15mph limit is by far the most hazardous aspect of it, makes me feel like a sitting duck in many situations that, when I was younger, fitter and on an ordinary road bike, simply never occurred.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem +2

      Hi Thanks for watching and your comments. I have to admit the roads frighten me, some drivers are so impatient and down right dangerous. keep safe.

    • @papalegba6796
      @papalegba6796 Před rokem +2

      I've got a bit stiff in my old age, first thing I did when I got the ebike was start doing stretching exercises so I can effectively perform the "life saver" look over my right shoulder lol. My commute is mostly along Burley & Kirkstall Roads in Leeds, they're deadly for inexperienced cyclists, seen some horrible accidents. I did the cycling proficiency test as a kid, remember that? And all the public information films used to be on TV? There should be more of that now, older people new to cycling simply don't understand how dangerous it can be imo.

    • @tconnolly9820
      @tconnolly9820 Před 6 měsíci

      If you haven't already can I recommend that you get a good pair of motorcycle type mirrors for your e-bike. I have them on my ordinary bicycle and they are fabulous. A good set of individual right and left Bluetooth indicators can help too to communicate your intentions on the road to following traffic as well as your shoulder check to make eye contact (you will already know what's behind you from the mirrors) and using strong clear outstretched hand signals. I hate cyclists who give a brief one second half hearted flick of the hand which happens so quickly it's hard to know it even happened.
      I am considering an e-bike at the moment but 25kmh is definitely too slow. I do that and more already on the flat without a problem not being anywhere near fit and latter fifties. But for the hills and headwinds it would make a big difference.
      I just might consider looking at something a bit faster that would require a license and insurance and mix it with my existing ordinary hybrid bike.

  • @MrTonyh81
    @MrTonyh81 Před 2 lety +3

    Hi if I reset the tcu and thake the toningen device out before service, could you see if there has been a tuning device in there? Thanks for good information video

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety +1

      Hi Tony, Answer is no not really you wouldn't be able to tell.

    • @phantombigballs8165
      @phantombigballs8165 Před 2 lety

      Bosch can see that it's been tampered with if it goes for warranty work

    • @peaceformula5830
      @peaceformula5830 Před 2 lety

      @@phantombigballs8165 They must have a black box chip inside it then which they read...

  • @jimji2774
    @jimji2774 Před 2 lety +2

    Here in the US 20 mph is just a tad to slow for my ebike on the road and from what I hear even in the dirt for faster riders - not me yet but who knows. I find I am wanting to go about another 5 mph or so out on country roads and also it starts to cut out around 19 mpg anyway.I have been passed more than once by regular skinny tire bikes which is a little humbling. I can't imagine how annoying it would be to only be able to go 15 mpg while most regular bikes are flying past you at higher speeds. I think I understand why most of the chip makers seem to be from Europe as there must be a huge market for them there. I will likely de-restrick my new expensive Trek 9.7 eventually but am holding off a bit as the warranty thing worries me.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 2 lety

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments.

    • @peaceformula5830
      @peaceformula5830 Před 2 lety

      Make a comment when you do bro it's good to share experience sometimes :)

    • @fazer2747
      @fazer2747 Před 6 měsíci

      I just bought a Trek Rail 7 in the US and feel the same way. 19 mph feels a little too slow on the road. I have read that the Speedbox has a lot of bugs- error codes and such. If it was so unpredictable I would get one but still on the fence. Also the warranty thing being I just got the bike.

  • @HomieJeans
    @HomieJeans Před rokem

    New Zealand we top out at 31kmh, do annoying, so I installed a Speedi, so much better now, I sit on 37kmh on the boring straights, it'll max out at 47kmh but that's such a workout lol and I've got a trek rail 9.8 so of course the chain comes off at that top speed

  • @richardkaz2336
    @richardkaz2336 Před 2 lety +2

    The issue of warranty If the module is removed before it is taken ot the shop for repair. They have no way of knowing the bike may have been fitted with a unit.
    The speed restriction law is a bit pointless and more about revenue raising. I often get over 30km/hr on flat and down hill under my own power. The limiting to 25km/hr does not limit the posibility of going faster than 25km/hr, it just cuts out assistance. In some locations riding back on public streets from trails back to the car I've clocked well over 40km/hr. The Police can do absolutely nothing about it as the speed limit is 60km/hr and my ebike is not chipped or modfyed in anyway. Similar speeds are possible even on trails on public land. All it does is limit climbing at at higher speeds or sustaining elevated speeds for prolonged time.
    Do I need to go fast up hill or scream around twisty bits. Not really as I often ride with younger manual non eMTB riders and keep up. When I ride with older manual non eMTB riders then I either don't turn on the battery or just ride my other manual non eMTB.

  • @isaacmettle
    @isaacmettle Před rokem +2

    Thanks friend

  • @burt3343
    @burt3343 Před měsícem

    Love the extra speed, couldn’t go back to restricted now

  • @racko6ix
    @racko6ix Před rokem

    I want my bikes fast. DIY's. It's nice to have the availability of speed and power at hand.
    From there, we just need to talk about harnessing that speed and power and riding safe..

  • @e-bike-bys-vykken7422
    @e-bike-bys-vykken7422 Před 2 lety +1

    i could see it being handy for when in eco mode constantly assisting no cutting out saving battery plus the braking bit id deffiently stop got maguras stop ya in a second lol

  • @bradleymargach9847
    @bradleymargach9847 Před rokem

    Any chips that avoid limp mode of Gen 4 Bosch completely as current Eplus advanced caused another 504 error, love the video

  • @M_E_T_R_O__9
    @M_E_T_R_O__9 Před rokem

    It would be nice if we had the option to switch the boost on or off depending upon the function/purpose.

    • @stuartcareless9550
      @stuartcareless9550 Před rokem

      You do on the giant bike you switch it from the mode button on. The giant

  • @megane230f1
    @megane230f1 Před 2 lety +15

    Done my shimano e8000 if i hadnt of de restricted my e bike i would of sold it as it just got boring after 6 months, i would say do it if your e bikes out of warranty and you know what you’re doing mechanics wise, personally speaking best thing i did was de restrict it, been done over 2 years and i haven’t had any problems with it

    • @peaceformula5830
      @peaceformula5830 Před 2 lety

      Does it burn out other components because the factory tailored it all to 15?

    • @imprezaaudi
      @imprezaaudi Před rokem +1

      @@peaceformula5830 These motors are generally capable of so much more than the restricted speed. Most motors are rated 500-750W. As long you're not thrashing the motor, they will happily propel you with assistance to around 25-30mph. A friend tuned his Bosch powered eMtb What a lovely bike it was to ride, smooth as silk upto 28mph.

  • @ToxicVaccines_HivHoax
    @ToxicVaccines_HivHoax Před rokem +1

    Speed restriction is stupid.
    I have almost every other non electric bycycle overtake me on the streets.
    If the authorities want to restrict it then it should be restricted at a "REASONABLE" speed. 20 or 25 mph minimum!!
    Restricting it at 15.5 mph as is the case here in the UK, is totally ridiculous.

  • @duncanhorne962
    @duncanhorne962 Před rokem +2

    A great insight Dave but I think I shall stick with my own legal power, generally ok though, at certain times, a boost of speed could get me out of a tricky situation as some vehicle drivers, not all but a "few," seem to be disinterested & drive accordingly, thank you for the heads up but as said NO it's not for me. I am going to stick with Insurance & sat nav. Clean & above board, so to speak; best to keep everything accurate; if I ever feel differently, then out with the old; if you get my gist, thanks again as I had thought about it? But
    it's not for me, especially since I just renewed my Insurance etc. shine on, pal, great video!.

  • @niblet112
    @niblet112 Před rokem

    What power settings do you guys use derestricted?? Are you on turbo all the time?

    • @grannyjone
      @grannyjone Před 3 měsíci

      No, and I have reached 43kph in eco mode on the flat

  • @robertmcgee7083
    @robertmcgee7083 Před rokem

    My bike is capable of operating as class 1, 2 or 3. In level 3, it will hit 39 mph on throttle only! Out of the box with no mods. It’s loads of fun for 2k. It’s the wicked/wired cruiser bike, costs 1999 + shipping.

  • @CatTerrist
    @CatTerrist Před 6 měsíci

    I think the motor wear issue is not really a problem, esp given these exact same motors are used in places that allow higher limits like North America. The only real wear item as such is the bearing and they will still be turned when you are over the assistance limit
    The battery *may* OTOH start to degrade faster due to more charging cycles (because you are using battery more). And also that may happen because you are out on the bike more because a raised restriction makes the bike more fun to get out there :)
    I'd say your legal issues and warranty thoughts are correct tho.

  • @user-tb3mt5jt6p
    @user-tb3mt5jt6p Před 9 měsíci

    I was suckered in to adding a chip to my Brose powered e -bike simply because my orignal one was purchased before the laws changed and so I was used to having loads of assitance, but reduced battery use/life. I fitted a speed box to my new restricted e-bike and really thought after using the bike with it , for some 150 miles over a few weekends - I binned it as I found that using gears correctly and where needed the correct support setting, I was better without it - so it was removed. Add to that, braking was less efficient and chain wear increased...so from my experience..save your money....not only that a fall off at any speed is not nice, so consider that a 50 mph...!!!

  • @islandaerial3414
    @islandaerial3414 Před rokem

    If you unplug the speed sensor, does the system have to be re-flashed? I have a new chain stay to replace the original.
    Bosch Gen 2 off warranty. Cheers!

  • @nedimri
    @nedimri Před 5 měsíci

    I have derestricted my ebike because I was hitting big jumps and I needed more speed. Yamaha PW-X motor, done 16000km, never had a single problem with the motor.

  • @davidchristie4581
    @davidchristie4581 Před rokem

    Quick question. I have a new Fantic XMF with the Brose S-Mag. Is it possible to modify with a throttle? I know this would change it to a class 2 Ebike.

  • @hawsrulebegin7768
    @hawsrulebegin7768 Před rokem

    Does this apply to throttles? I’ve got a very heavy cargo ebike that the throttle limits to 6kph. Problem is a heavy bike is unstable at that speed, especially at junctions. I little more throttle speed would help when the extra zip is needed. I’m not interested in high speeds but would like some energy to get started.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments, bikes that are built with a throttle come under a slightly different law, Im not sure what they are without looking it up.

  • @EQINOX187
    @EQINOX187 Před rokem +2

    De-restricting is not always about going mad fast but it is more often about torque power and to increase the speed and by doing so increasing safety, as it stands the UK laws about Ebikes are massively out of date and where made in a time when the old people did not understand the tech but where afraid of it impacting their fossil fuel interests ( look it up as the people responsible for creating the laws had their fingers deep in fossil fuel money ). If we look at the laws its max output of 250w and max speed of 15.5mph, now given the weight of an ebike that 250w is just about accounting for the weight of the bike meaning that you are slow to accelerate and cant get out of danger, limiting the watts of a bike has never made any sense as watts has no correlation with top speed only how fast it can get there and a 250w ebike can still go 30mph it just takes longer to get there, and country's with reasonable laws like the US understand this and allow for 750w because they understand that being able to accelerate up to the max allowed speed quickly is important and safer. Then we come to the speed of 15.5mph which again makes no sense because road bikes are way faster and average a much higher speed and even standard mountain bikes my old Saracen Dirttrax from 2000 could easily cruz at 25mph on the flat and 35+ down a slight hill, so the 15,5mph is stupid when most town roads are 20 because if you are chugging along at 15.5 drivers are going to try and over take and probably at a stupid and dangerous point and so it makes sense that you go at the same speed at the cars as this reduces overtakes and over all is far safer and again the US figured this out and upped the speed to 20 in some places and 28 in others.
    When I first got my Ebike it was a 250w and i was unimpressed as it was used for commuting to work but was slower than my old mountain bike but to add insult i was being overtaken by people on non ebikes.......

  • @mscustomlures
    @mscustomlures Před 5 měsíci +1

    Just got myself a Whyte E-160s after almost 2 years on a giant reign2 this isy first emtb. I can honestly say that the speed limiter absolutely sucks, topped out assistance on a couple of trails where the bike jusy feels like its dragging whereas on my non ebike I'd have just been able to carry on through.
    Also peddling it to work and home the assistance is excellent on the uphill sections but on the flats I'm consistently passed the 16mph limit or at least I would be if it wasnt such a workout, my non ebike is definitely faster and i can certainly maintain a higher constant speed so if i were to hit anyone/anything then there'd be a higher speed of impact on the non e-bike just little less weight impacting. This 16mph seems silly to me, I'm sure a roadie with skinny tyres can achieve some considerable speed on a flat road due to less resistance so why limit a peddle assisted bike to 16mph?

  • @soundwave6769
    @soundwave6769 Před 2 lety +3

    i have a 2014 haibike xduto amt pro with the performance motor gen2 and had a badass dongle on it for 7 years and it still works but the transfer gear is worn out and it needs new bearings but must have over 10.000 miles on it so done its job and the dongle is also still working as just needs a new battevery couple of years.
    my original 400w batt is also still working tho it is dow to 10 miles in turbo and even less with the new cx motor and kiox display i got from peter.
    tho on fitting the kiox display it brought back fkn emtb mode and every time it powerd up wanted a dealer update so off i went to the new ebike shop up to the road to have 30 quid extorted out of me to plug in a usb cable and push a button yay.
    i forgot to tell him it had a dongle on it and guess what the bosch software cant see it or any errors from using it so if you want a dongle that bosch cant see get a badass one.
    with the new gen4 motors any dongle that is attached to the motor could be now 1 firmware update from being bricked or gps tracked via that little app you have to be monitored 247 and send the motor in to limp mode and after 3 times needs a dealer reset tho this has not happened yet but the threat is still there and these motors are now smart!
    martin at ebike shop sells dongles and honors the warranty and has been doing this for years but despite what bosch says but with these new gen4 motors even his shitty cheap ass dongles dont work anymore so not a option for bosch but the yamaha ones still work and still sells those.
    ebike shop only offers warranty with there dongles! and wont sell you parts unless you buy the bike from them, my bike was bought 2nd hand and was from ebike shop but no parts for me and no warranty even tho the bike had only 160 miles on it but 8 years later its still going even better than new.
    if you take a sclass motor that can go 28mph inside there the same motor just with different speed settings programmed in buy bosch at the factory for the gen 2 motors anyway as the controllers are the same but using a dongle will be faster than this if the bike is geared for it as at 120rpm i can hit 35mph on the flat but it does reduce range to about 25 miles if you hammer it non stop and drop bar race bikes dont have a hope in hell with me up there ass.

  • @fastj1962
    @fastj1962 Před 3 měsíci

    there are cons based on fantasyland or a specialized set of circumstances. On a trail, how fast can someone pedal downhill unrestricted, or just turning off the motor and using gravity? On the pavement, which is what I do, whats the difference between me and a road bike with no assist? As I covered in my other post, a road bike is far more dangerous and unstable than a road bicycle. Not sure of your experience, but think about it. Maybe I'm just out of my mind and I'm not seeing something I should.

  • @raymondlynch5424
    @raymondlynch5424 Před rokem +2

    What I find interesting is that you can buy a super car that can exceed 200 mph legally and drive it on the road legally. I am reading as long the device is on your bike it’s illegal?
    Yet unassisted bikes can pass me on the road? I am finding the whole experience interesting having now acquired an electric bike?

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Good comments Raymond

    • @maikelmolto8986
      @maikelmolto8986 Před 3 měsíci

      allow me one question: were can you drive a car at 200kph "legally"? Most bikes are most useful for urban transport - so, please, name the city, were you can speed at 200k? Or were are those speed "legal" on rural roads or highways...?

  • @henrik8463
    @henrik8463 Před 24 dny

    Hi sir. I like your video👍I have a question for you. Next month, we going on the yearly family bicycle ride, my Ebike is not new, and im not rich😁 I am struggling a bit with my battery (36 volts)Today we did 27 km. and by return, i only had one bar left on my battery, not enough for the 40 km. we will be doing. So my question is, what will happen if i buy 3, 12 volt batteries, and connect them in series to make 36 volt, then connect it to my Ebike battery via the charging plug. Will that go wrong, or will it give some more km? Thank you.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 23 dny

      Hi, thank you for your comment, I cant advise because I have no experience with batteries, sorry.

  • @olliebibby7099
    @olliebibby7099 Před rokem

    I've got a rockrider EST 100 what kind of box would be compatible with this bike ?

  • @adammccarthy2157
    @adammccarthy2157 Před rokem +1

    Good luck clearing a double on 50lb Ebike after uk cut out limit of 15 mph, speedbox can’t be detected if it’s been fitted and removed .
    I can ride my regular bike at the speed the gears allow , uk law needs changing to at least 20 mph like us

  • @garth62
    @garth62 Před rokem +5

    I do feel the market for these dristricters would be much more limited if UK law permited a 20mph limit instead of 15mph. As most state 15mph is too slow when on tarmac with other traffic, but probably most would be happy at 20mph. We know the motors are OK at that speed as it's the limit for North America with exactly same motors, just different software settings, so should ne no warranty issues either. It also quite resonable for no ebike (analogue) to regularly acheived speeds of 20 +. SO want to go faster than 20mph - get a moped/motorbike or pedal harder, what is the problem? .

  • @isaacbutterworth7103
    @isaacbutterworth7103 Před 3 měsíci

    Eyup, get a lot of enquiries about these at my shop. Problem is we are a Bosch retailer and it voids warranty. Bosch say they can detect any of them and it will brick your bike. Can’t say I’ve experienced this before but what’s the possibility in the ecu locking the bike? Thanks

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 3 měsíci

      Hi, thanks for watching and your comments, the motor can be rendered useless but it is nearly always rectifiable

  • @BrandonTaylor-bg1xv
    @BrandonTaylor-bg1xv Před 8 měsíci +1

    Really want to do this to my lapierre overvolt as its really harsh when you hit the pathetic 15 limit

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před 8 měsíci

      Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment.

    • @niblet112
      @niblet112 Před 6 měsíci

      I’ve done it on mine, I have the 2017 version. It works great and is easy to derestrict. I set mine to 20mph. Still does 30 miles on turbo.

  • @FPVslayer
    @FPVslayer Před 10 měsíci

    So I have a 2022 giant fast road. The bike is advertised as a 45km/hr bike, but of course is regulated once it made it to Canada. I was wondering how that works, would I chip the motor, or is it different for bikes that were actually meant to go 45km/hr, like my bike is.

  • @westonloomis
    @westonloomis Před rokem

    My dad's ebike isnt working and I think the pedal sensor is the issue.
    If I disconnect the pedal sensor and install a thumb throttle, will the ECM allow this or will it not function unless a pedal sensor is connected?
    I really want to fix it for him as he's getting old and it's difficult for him to peddle without a motor to help but I don't want to waste money on a throttle if the ECM won't allow it.
    I'll keep the bike in line with the law on power and speed but rather than replacing an expensive pedal sensor I think a thumb throttle will be an easy, convenient and safe fix (albeit slightly against the rules)
    Many thanks.

    • @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic
      @TheYorkshireBikeMechanic  Před rokem

      Hi Weston, The the control box has an input for a throttle control then it should work providing you use the correct part, however this could be dangerous to an elderly person.

  • @a.a.alexander6030
    @a.a.alexander6030 Před rokem +4

    I think an important point may be being missed here. For all those with a driving licence, we know the rules of the road and to follow speed limits. So If your e-bike is derestricted, as long as you adhere to speed limits and to where you're allowed to ride these sort of bikes, you're okay. As for motor durability, it all depends on how often you will blast it and how much. I wouldn't panic after watching this video as the owner of this e-bike neglected maintenance for extended periods and that's how, as was said in the video at the start, it was in a poor condition, the owner brought it in for a major service and so on and so on... Clearly, it wasn't knackered due to the Speedbox. I think the tolerances to which the de-restrictors derestrict to are still well within limits of what these e-bikes can handle. I have no qualms personally.