AF-022: The Real Truth Behind Coats of Arms and Family Crests | Ancestral Findings Podcast
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Are you interested in knowing more about your family coat of arms? First, be sure your family actually has one. Here is the truth behind family coats of arms.
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00:00 Introduction
01:36 What is a Coat of Arms?
03:15 Who Had the Right to Use Coats of Arms in Medieval Times?
04:28 The Legal Use of Coats of Arms Today
05:15 What is the Difference Between a Coat of Arms and a Family Crest?
06:00 Laws Regarding Coats of Arms in Use Today
07:58 The Parts of a Coat of Arms
09:19 Companies That Sell Coats of Arms and Family Crests Today
11:57 Outtro
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Selling family "coats of arms" is to genealogy what selling plots of the moon or naming stars is to astronomy.
I have researched the Southworth of Samlesbury coat of arms for many years and found a situation that I have never encountered elsewhere. The first blazon awarded was, to keep it simple, 3 black crosses and a chevron on white (argent). This blazon had been surrendered to the College by the owner, or his heirs, who owned the neighboring Mellor Manor. At the time Southworth Senior was knighted he owned Mellor Manor and this was the blazon he received. A few years later his eldest son and heir was knighted and he took for his arms, that of his father but reversed, i.e. white on black. The son inherited his father's upon his death and then passed both arms on to his son who had them quartered thusly: the original in quarters 1 & 3 and the differenced version in 2 & 4 making for a striking shield. A funerary coat-of-arms was held by the family chapel from the 16th century to the 21st at which time they were removed to a local museum. FYI: The College of Arms was not always so scrupulous. In the 1950s the Southworth of Samlesbury coat of arms just described was allowed to a person who petitioned the College for the right to display them. He was not a direct Southworth descendant at all but a descendant in the family of one of the Southworth wives! Nonetheless, the College accepted his petition and awarded him the right to bear the arms of a family he does not descend from!
It’s fascinating. There is a crest on my mums side, and dad’s side. I wouldn’t display it though because I feel like it’s boasting, and it’s not my style, but it’s cool to know.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Discovering that there are crests on both your mother's and father's sides is quite intriguing. Choosing not to display them because it feels like boasting is understandable, and it highlights a thoughtful approach to your heritage. It's commendable that you recognize the significance of these crests in understanding your family's history, even if you prefer not to showcase them. Your perspective adds depth to how we consider and honor our ancestral backgrounds. Happy Searching!
@@Ancestralfindings Well ancestors on my mums side left france for Ireland, and Canada I think. Then, my dad’s side are Irish, and a lot of them left for America, so I have family scattered everywhere. But, I know crests have a certain significance, but I don’t know to what extent. And, to know we have crests on both sides of the family is somewhat impressive.
Very good and interesting! Glad I viewed this video 👍
Our coat of arms being Schmidt is a black castle with a wolfs head above it with a blue and white banner the castle surrounded by a moat
So many undocumented Royals out there now a days. Could fill a book with all my relatives myself included that's not recognized by our family currently ruling.
I am first generation Australian and my paternal family has been traced back to the 12th century in Austria. My ancestors occupation and surname meaning is court Jesters. We have a family crest/coat of arms.
Thanks for the information. Very helpful!
Thanks To Dr Tony Zavaleta For His Detailed Work , For Our Family's History Century After Century For The Royal Work Our Family
Name : Zabaleta
The Basque Country
Very interesting I always wondered about It When I watch medieval movies Thanks for the information
Good to know. Thank you.
Great video! Thanks❤️
Did the ancestry test and it connected this too me. I've been trying to find more information about this. Not a lot of videos about this
English and British Commonwealth citizens can only find out whether they truly do have a Coat of Arms by getting the College of Arms, in London, to research their ancestral rights to one that may have been granted in the past. If no such link can be found, they have no right to claim one as their own. The College of Arms has a website if you want to learn more.
it seems to me that dna would be more important than ones last name when deciding if you have the right to use it
Very interesting!
Very informative
My Mom's family had a horn. Her cousin has it. Their last name is Horn.
Pratt have one all the way to Lord of Camden, Rev Pratt in England, Daniel Pratt in Prattville, AL
Thank you!
My family's ancestral house in the Philippines displays a family crest in the living room, instead of a shield, its a baybayin symbol that looks like a giant "ᜋ" with an above view of a crow in the middle of the symbol and our family name "ᜋᜇᜋᜄ᜔" at the bottom.
Isn't that Hebrew?
@@reginafaulk5451 I think it's called baybayin, Philippino's alphabet.
Hi, I have recently obtained a cast iron Bravarian family plaque dated 1712, it has x3 family crests on it…is there anyone on here that can help me identify where it’s from and a bit about the history of it, I can send pic. Thanks
My family definitely has one. Technically 2 since our surname was originally Trevelesik before it became Chenoweth.
I looked up my coat of arms and they are all different but they all consistently have 3 birds and there is a line that runs down the middle that splits through the bottom bird
so while there isn't a credible way to see which one is the true one , I can at least say that I know what it should look like
perhaps I should make my own for my family
I have an original from the 1700s PRATT Lord Camden, Rev Pratt from England.
my family has the gittings coat of arms ,the toye coat of arms and tuder linked with glyndwer coat of arms a few in my family line links
My Mom's Dad's family's had a Horn on it, 1 of my Mom's cousin has it. Her father was the oldest brother of my Grandfather.
Does anyone have any knowledge on Weiszhaar or fiechtner?
My Mother’s Maiden name is Kearney.
I can say, I can proudly use and pass down mine!
I see
I don't go by the cost of Arms. I go by Scottish clan crest, even though I'm English my Ancestors are Scottish so I go by the Anderson clan stand sure
How can i find out if my family has a crest?
My family name is one of oldest MORTONS, an we do have a coat of arms , its Scottish. An yes my family was in the battle you said in 1068 i believe. Also my name origin is originally the normans = viking.
My mom's lastname is England my father's last name is McDonald
Sounds moorish to me
how can i find out if my family have a family coat of arms?
Interested as well!
Go up in your family tree only your male line. If in your male line there is someone that had coats of arms you can use it. I think im not entierly sure.
I'm an American. This college of arms. Do you have contact information? I have all my paperwork showing my direct descendence. How would I go about contacting them?
Phillips here
Very Good!.. 87 🐄🦉🏴☠
I have a German last name. who are the proper authorities to contact to ask regarding my rights to it's coat of arms? is there an office in Germany?
What's your name?
Same my Last name is Diser
Not sure.Cousins of ours grandma,s side, the von Lilienschilds took their name from their coat of arms.
I’m a maxwell. We made an x on our coat instead of cross
Thanks for dropping that cool fact about your family's coat of arms. Swapping out a cross for an 'X' is definitely a standout choice. It's little details like these that make exploring heraldry so intriguing. Got any more stories or history behind the Maxwell 'X'?
A tip if you have a surname originating in the British Isles and you want to fact check the merch websites, google The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales. Google has a full copy of the book to preview. Click on Supplement to the General Amory in the table of contents and just search through the surnames. It also gives the home counties of different families with the same name incase you need to narrow it down to the correct arms.
If you make a coats of arms for your family is there a way to legalise It or have it recognized by the College of arms?
You must be citizen of British land for college of arms and prepare for a obnoxious fee. Here in the states it's much easier to have a symbol identify to you and your family. We call it a trademark. Much cheaper here.
Speak to the CoA and pay a fee.
Nope. Honorary Arms are granted to non UK citizens
(as mentioned in the vid)
@@tcroft2165 But what happens if someone registers a 'new' CoA and later someone wants to register a proven 500yr old CoA, and the newly invented CoA happens to look just like the 'old' one? I live in The Netherlands and rules might differ from the UK, but I know there is a family that registered an almost exact copy of my ancestral Crest in the mid 1970's. I do not feel the urge to register 'my' CoA, but what if? I know for a fact my CoA is old, for one of my ancestors has been buried (16th century) inside a local church and the CoA is on the grave stone. How would the UK handle something like this?
@@arturama8581 In the UK its not possible to register a 'new' COA that matches any previous grant of arms. The new grant would never be allowed to happen.
Heraldry was used in Ancient Rome and Egypt in the Hellenistic Period and before. Saying that Heraldry originated in the Middle ages is hundreds if not thousands of years off.
The Middle Ages were "caused" by the increase in use of Heraldry to get people to fight each other, in the name of Christianity. Heraldry is a marginalized language for slavery
So unless I'm a direct descendant of a Male in my surnames Coat of Arms, I cannot legally claim the Arms or use it? That kind of makes me sad
Warriors Paint their own Shield. Look into your Family history in great detail the best you can but remember, this is about Art & Achievement.
The Warrior Paints His own Shield.
Give God the Glory & Paint your Shield^!!^
Take your families coat of arms. And alter it, in small ways. To be your coat of arms. I'm american so to hell with nobility. I dont need a monarch's grant to claim my familial coat of arms.
@@stevet1396 , Oh, but you do have a Grant to claim your Family Colorurs.
I said you all also have full rite to claim your personal Crest & Family Coat of Arms. I have Full Authority Grant this rite.
Take ye up the Shield of Faith & give God the Glory^!!^
Through History Warriors & Knights would have their Arms on their Actual Real Shields & Flags as a way to identify themselves to their Confederates also on the Battlefield.
Even as Early as the Exodus the Tribes of Israel each Tribe were Commanded to make their Tribal Flag Distinguishable from the other Tribes. They each had a Flag Brigade.
The problem in America now days is people do not take Anny Thing seriously. Non-persons such as corporations are displaying heraldic symbols when they do not have the rite to the Family Coat of Arms because they are not a Living Breathing Person nor are they a Family Member of Anny Kind.
The whole purpose of the Arms is to identify a Person on the Battlefield wither he be a Friend or Enemy.
Every Nation has a Flag;^D.
Can Anny Nation stand alone?
Feels weird to know my family has one (Slover )
Direct decent only.
ha ha this is like "fun with flags with sheldon cooper"
I have every right to use it the o Hagan on my grandfathers side to Adams on my grandfathers side for the Lord owns the cattle of a thousand hills dna
I have family herarldry
Jamaican Coat of arms taino Crocodile
Then why is my crest a rose
My relatives were pacifists , mennonites that originally came from Holland. They did not go to war throughout history and moved from area to area as long as they would not
have to pick up arms to be used to kill other peoples. This was true in the second World War and my relatives born had documents signed by officials of the country they lived
indicating they would not have to WAR.Does my family have a Coat of arms or family crests???
My last name is rodas what does that mean
🏵️Ericson✖️
But it's not actually your court of arms because the coat of arms represents the person who made it not you
Me rod
You missed the point. Legitimacy is not dependent on the Surname, it is dependent in the male lineage. (You can nominate any surname you wish on your child’s birth certificate.)
It is ‘your’ coat of arms if the line of male succession is legitimate and if you have adhered to the heraldry ‘laws’
I have a coat of arms The gahagans
Meh! I've always took issue with anyone believing they have any authority to grant or deny Rights to another human being to tell them what they can or can't do. A now well known fallacy old monarchs once believed they alone divinely held... Until their heads were being placed in guillotines.
When people research their family ancestry, they frequently find the coat of arms used historically by people with their same name. They are likely related to these people. Only in a country like England where they still have a legal registry can a person not "use" the coat of arms which was used by their ancestors. Many countries have abolished monarchies and royalty and titles. The United States Constitution abolished all legal recognition of royalty, and titles and the authority of any monarch. US citizens bow to no one.They are not the subject of any monarch or gov but rather the gov employees are servants of the people. Italy is a country with a rich heraldic history but the coats of arms are not legally enforced or recognized. Nevertheless, a huge number of Italian families have historically used coats of arms. Anyone in one of these countries can research the heraldic history of their family and proudly display the coat of arms as part of their family history. These are not newly created or invented coats. They are historic coats that the family ancestors used. Ancestry researchers are not just fraudulently making up something. They are doing the historic research from historic sources to find the heraldry actually used in times past by certain families. And you have every right to display the coat of arms as a true and accurate representation of your family's coat of arms.
the usa is a corporation owned by the rest of the world. Canada, England even muslim countries have stalks in the usa. one day they will close up shop, take the money and close the doors. I hope you realize this. if you think the monarchy and world powers who were already established didn't create the usa then you need to wake up.
Do not refer to a judge in the USA as "Your Honor".
@@allroadsleadtoroam USA citizens are slaves to the government
If your mummy signed certificate of birth, you have a legal name and TIN or SSN you are a slave
@@allroadsleadtoroam sorry
That was meant for DOLLY
I have a family crest
Darth Carlii family crests dont exist, crests are the thing above the shield
@@mikado6407 The family crest is part of the overall coat of arms. It is the three-dimensional object at the top of the arms.
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Was hoping for some animated graphics! Nice talk track though
Garvin and Murray.
Only the MALE......I am female....
Look! Anyone. who wants a new one for themselves to be used and passed down can make one and patent it, and ensure they put it in their will. Ignore the snobbish and arrogant English and Scottish system. There is no point trying to join a club you are not wanted. What's the point? Most countries around the world do not follow the British system and are assumed, not granted by some king or queen seating in England. As long as your new creation does not infringe on the copyrights of another, you are fine. Just ensure your patent it for legal protection as it is your legal property. Ignore the British and stop wanting to be like them or begging them to welcome you in their little club. Many families in Britain to whom coat of arms were granted to an ancestor did not even deserved one in the first place. Some of them were bastard children of some kings, or mistress etc - wrecking families and marriages. So why would anyone wants to join this club anyway? Also, coat of arms was not even invented in Britain. Various cultures around the world were using family emblems or totems such as African and Native American tribes. These became part of their family or tribal emblems which in a way is exactly what coat of arms is. Even the terminology used in the blazon is not English but Norman French. So I will never understand why people are getting a migraine trying to follow the British. Create your own and patent the damn thing if you really want one. The patent also grant you the same legal right as if it was granted to you by some silly king or queen seating on some throne in England.
"the snobbish and arrogant English and Scottish system". I suppose that's how you would look at it if you're no member :) Bit pathetic to create your own fake one if you think it's snobbish and arrogant to have one in the first place.
thank you so much for this information 😄👌🏾
@@arturama8581 If it is based on something that means/meant something to your family or symbolic to your family, I don't see where fakeness comes into it. The damn thing was not even invented in England or Europe for that matter. Ancient cultures have been using some form of emblems to represent their family of dynasty long before Europe caught on in the middle ages. You are probably a typical English peasant who like to say "Yes master. Yes master." to your noble lord. Pleb!
only nobility have coat of arms
But whats nobility? There were Kings and alike ofcourse: High nobility. But if there's 'high', there must be 'low' as well. And there was! A lot of them! And 'low nobility' was obligated to serve in the king's army. Much later, wealthy families wanted CoA's and just bought them or they married themselves into old families.
So, "only nobility have coat of arms" is not true, and 'nobility' itself is a very vague term.
A coat of arms or crest is a sigil. If you don't know anything about sigils don't go around making them up as suggested. Be very ,very careful with sigils, they are some of the most powerful and long lasting MAGIC. I am Magus of Wild Cat Mountain Wheel, take heed. Much love to you all.......................lolly
Thanks, I'll look into this first!
Where Can I see the picture of mine?I have The name of the Crest &the Motto.