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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2018
- The new Hobbywing Axe RC Rock Crawling system! I test the system on the rocks compared to two other brushless combos, then lay down the conclusions! What do you think after watching?
Axe 2300kv street price about $209
Mamba X/ Puller Pro 540 2200kv street price about $280
Sidewinder 4/ Revolver 540 1800kv street price about $145
41:47 for my conclusions
HolmesHobbies do you have a bouncer or a u4 rig of some sort you could do a demo comparison. You already know your products are way more than capable. Would still be interesting to see.
Pullers are often #1 podium spot on the u4 circuit, so they are indeed capable :) I won't have the hobbywing system for long enough to throw into a bouncer though. I did do full trigger drags runs on the pavement in 2nd gear, and we will have the footage edited into another quick vid. It illustrates the lagging acceleration.
HolmesHobbies good job 👍
Great footage. But how can you review a system that directly competes with the motor systems the you design and sell?
It seems really negatively biased and is really contrary to the experiences many are having with the Axe system. Just truly do not understand why you would review a competitor and try to sound trustworthy.
I think you did a fantastic job in reviewing and comparing your competitors offering. The direct comparisons and test platforms remove any bias towards your own products. You also clearly state that they are your opinions and encourage people to watch other reviews. Thanks for this, looking forward to my revolver arriving on Monday!
Over the years I have used and abused all 3 systems and would agree with you re the Castle system. Castle has really got their act together. Their a lot more reliable than they used to be, the sidewinders were always prone to failures
Just picked up this new found hobby this past xmas. Replaced my stock 540 for one of your HH Trail Master 27T to give me a bit more wheel speed. I have put this motor through hell and she is still going strong. Thank you for all you do for the community. HH for life!!!
I agree. I like to have that audio feedback. Especially after running a system for awhile you can tell where you are in the throttle & torque curves & you know when your putting to much load & doing damage. My opinion the Hobbywing from what I saw it'll be a good trail system with small obstacles & inclines & dissents.
this is a bullshit test made to make the axe look crap so john can keep selling more of his products. here is a test by someone who doesnt sell, only tests rc equipment -
czcams.com/video/4biGCH4_CkM/video.html
Would love to see an update video to this since firmware updates have made this much better.
Interesting... I gotta say I feel that I have achieved a similar effect by following the old school Holmes Hobbies Moto... Gear down & Volt up. With how I set my rigs up I can hold a steady 10% throttle and as it takes on a load by encountering an obstacle the high voltage and low gearing create enough torque to maintain the same low speed control and smooth startup simply using the BLE pro and a Puller Pro even in the higher kv range. When I do it with the revolver it is simply unmatched. I am going to be doing the Mamba X/Revolver combo with my anti-spur layout and a 10:1 soon just to see how far I can take it. Basically the Marlin crawler gearing of the scale world lol! Great episode John and props on the set! It looks great!
A properly geared and volt'd system is time tested! Holler if you need an extra system and want to try a sw4
HolmesHobbies You already know I am always game 💪🏾💪🏾
HolmesHobbies WHOA!!! John Holmes and The Dreaded Awesome Josh talking.
Hahahaha
It'd take a hell-of-a lot to give up my Revolver. I've tested alot of stuff over the years but the Revolver always goes back in.
Tom (Tommad on facebook).
czcams.com/video/rjG7DrpvL00/video.html
All I can say is that I've seen the Axe system in person and it runs much smoother than in this video.
Setting expo on one and not the other is also not a fair comparison.
From what ive seen the Axe is an amazing system. I have bought my first Holmes system yesterday and testing it tonight, cant wait.
The axe doesn't have expo as a setting, the comparison is as fair as the programming of each controller allowed for.
Would like to see a comparison of the same motors with your BLE ESC as well.
so holmes or axe? kuz i keep coming back to my axe ..🤣 after i try another motors
Wow! It’s been a loooong time since I’ve been to Capen. Always loved crawling there. Thanks for your continued input Johnrobertholmes.👍🏼
I have to say I have alot of respect for you Mr. Holmes but it truly felt like this whole video was about making sure to discount any "perks" that this system may have. It really felt like it was finding a way to use the "perks" of this system and turn them all into negatives. Now I do plan to get this system myself . So I will see for myself. Now the fact it doesn't have a throttle curve is a bummer but this system can only be healthy for the crawler ESC and motor market.
I certainly didn't start with the intent of discrediting the system, this is simply an honest review. In the sense that I didn't like a side effect of the velocity loop, I agree that perks turned into negatives. A "perk" of the system caused a lack of torque control, which I really didn't like. For the encoder, I really have to wonder where the extra resolution is being used if I can't feel or empirically test an improvement. There is likely 1028 positions per revolution, as compared to 12 for a standard sensored 4 pole. The reason to use sensors and encoders is for zero and low RPM accuracy, yet the standard sensored system with less resolution was starting at lower speed on the bench and on the rocks. Even the sensorless system was starting slower, and this kinda blew me away. You won't know for yourself without trying it out though, I'm sure there are plenty of people that might like how it drives. But, my honest opinion is that I would not install this into a rig and keep it.
HolmesHobbies well I can certainly respect your position . And apresheate your input as always. Really enjoy your channel.
That's what I call a professional Review. Thanks
I left professional off the title because I got so much flak for it last time! Thanks :)
I really wanted to like this system. Great review! That Revolver is pretty impressive. I might have to get one. My go-to setup will remain a HW 1080 with a HH Crawlmaster 13T. Such incredible smoothness and control.
Mike Hows Crawlmaster sport or pro?
@@pjtacdol7816 the expert. It makes about 80% more power than the sport, where as the pro only makes about 20% more than the expert. The expert is the best value.
Thanks Mike
@@pjtacdol7816 no prob
I've had my Torque Master 540 for about 6 years now paired with a MM2.
It is still in my Honcho and has never missed a beat, i love that motor.
John, you might think you're going over to much info, ie: water in motor, but that's why I like your videos. Hearing that info is a great reminder for us novices to do motor maintenance in order to extend the life of our rigs. Thank you!
I typically do feel like I get sidetracked often.
Man I love the way that revolver runs!
Man that's a long review, but thank you to put so much amont of info's, should be mandatory to every newbies or old hobbyists.
Some really good points made. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. 👍
After all, this review is from a HW's competitor, so I will reserve my opinion until I see many other's real-life reviews-
You notice he sells this very same system today 🤣. In all fairness to Mr Holmes, with the system updates it's not not anything like what he was given to test.
Terry Clarkson then he should note that in his video, or make a follow up review and annotate this video to reflect changes.
Not being upfront about changes throughout a product cycle is dishonest.
@@Terry12345 and.... that foc/ velocity governor if you wanna call it that, can be reduced to the point it runs JUST LIKE the other 2 tested..... a traditional brushed feel
i own a 550 can 3300kv in an scx 10.2
Yes. Do the test and deliver the results. I love it. I knew by the end which esc I was buying.
Thank you for taking the time for to review the AXE system. I was convinced I wanted to try this system but your professional review has convinced me otherwise.
2 years ago I was new to slow speed RC’s and I swore the AXE was the best thing out there. I watched this video with that attitude and felt like it was biased. Now two years later I only run Holmes Hobbies brushed motors and revolver SV4 combos. BXR and SW mini ESC’s. I’ll never run another AXE system! Spend your money wisely.
Theres a lot of hype, money, and marketing lingo with the axe. The velocity loop is all it really has that's unique, and will be available on other ESCs in time. Glad you tried some other stuff, many thanks for the support!
HolmesHobbies I’m glad I pulled my head out of my ass as well, now when I read people’s recommendations on the face book most of the time I just shake my head. It never hurts to try out different things and form your own opinions folks. But if you want pointed in the right direction, Holmes is a good start.
Some real nice info, thanks. I've always had brushed motors and looking to get my first brushless setup. I was looking at the Hobbywing Axe, but from this review I think for my driving style I would be better off with a Mamba X. The Sidewinder 4 isn't something I'm even looking at because that much noise coming from the ESC would drive me nuts. Though I think the Axe would be an excellent setup for trail, it doesn't look so great for crawling... unless you "enjoy" (and can afford) working on your rig replacing broken parts.
Throttle control is sort of an old school skill. Like in today's drag racing cars and super cars they just jam the throttle to the floor and rely on the rev limiter to prevent them from blowing their engine. Back in my day you had no fancy rev limiter and had to manually control the throttle. I prefer old school where you need skill and talent rather than rely on technology to do it for you because you don't have the skill to do it yourself. I see the same thing in drones, people just jam the gimbals (joysticks) to their extremes and rely on technology to get them smooth video rather than learn throttle control and smooth flying skills.
Yah, the noise is not ideal, but the performance is wonderful. I actually like it, sounds like a monster turbo mazute.
Greatest comparison I’ve seen great job Jon!!! You def helped me to decide to do a kit for my first crawler !!! Now that I know what electronics suit me def the ⚡️⚡️revolver system ⚡️⚡️🤘🏻💯
THAT probably saved a bunch of people, a lot of money!! Thanks John, thorough as expected. I completely agree with you, and am at least almost as picky as you.
I've got a pretty good analogy for this comparison.... When I can buy a Car again (a real one), it will Never be a new one! Why? *Drive by Wire.* When you step on the gas, the Pedal is connected to a potentiometer - not a Cable!! Your right foot is now talking to the ECM, processes the Vehicle's parameters compared to your Pedal command, and THE ECM then decides how much to actually open the Throttle Plates on the Engine!!! 😱😣😫😫
YOU are no longer in complete control of your Vehicle. The ECM now doesn't think you are competent enough to decide!!!
The Axe System, though Cool, and will likely impress some, takes that Control away from your Throttle Finger. I really feel the same way you do. I'd fear for my Rig, while IT decides to twist my Axle or snap my Driveshaft - WITHOUT warning, if my eye should stray for just a moment!!
I LOVE the new Sidewinder 4 with your Revolver!!! 👍👍👏👏👏👏 I would have to look for a quieter Motor (of Yours), still Sensorless, because my Budget definitely can't do more....
Even though your Outrunner is nothing short of Amazing, my Wife will not put up with the noise...
The Mamba X with your Puller Pro is also a fantastic runner, and QUIET! But way over my tiny Budget.
No matter what, like you, I want to Control my Rig - not the other way around!!
Carmine 💥 ⛽
I love your triple controller. That is hilarious. And creative.
yeah, seen this come out and was waiting to see some reviews. The sensor wire, not real happy with that though..
gonna have to agree that the Sidewinder setup is the better performer than the Axe, I do like to creep.
Very informative video John, thank you Sir!
Mamba X and puller pro is my favorite combo!!!!
I've always been annoyed with my brushless X/PP combo in that it wouldn't maintain speed when turning or climbing for a given throttle. Im excited to try this new system as it may be my answer. Now I can lock in my speed and focus on my line without worrying about my throttle getting bogged down. I'm a noob tho.
You might like it if your biggest hurdle driving is throttle control! You do already have a universal controller, and could get better speed regulation and less bogging with a Revolver motor. If you are looking for that part of the feel at a lower cost to buying a whole system, it would be one of your options.
@@HolmesHobbies why go with go with one that sounds like a screaming banshee when you can get the same results with something thats silent?
Thanks for the info everyone. Gotta love the RC community. Great bunch of people in the hobby. For example I was on Fox News & all I did was make a comment on something & this hatful troll commented back basically saying my opinion wasn't relevant in a not so nice way. Lol
So I basically said isn't that the point of social media to talk & give opinions & just start a dialogue & if he hated who's show I commented on why was he there. Lmao!!
So much hate in the world it makes me sick.
Like I said the RC community is Awesome!! Keep up the great work JRH & everyone who's in the hobby to enjoy it & spread positivity
🤙😜🇱🇷
I respect holmes hobbies for sure and that this is an adversary to his Holmes line of products. But I just got my hands on a hobbywing axe 540 2300kv, and its amazing(coming from a hobbywing 1080 crawler esc and a 27t hackmoto). Whisper quiet, crazy good low end torque control, incredible low speed control and torque. I think as well it pumps more throttle input based on load to keep movement really smooth..
My only downside on the hobbywing is that the motor is 100% proprietary to the esc as it has different plugs and different sensors, and the hobbywing warranty is only 30 days. I've honestly never had to call hobbywing warranty up owning many Hobbywing Esc's myself...
I mainly got an AXE for efficiency as for the trail runs I do brushed motors are really inefficient.
Great video John Rob, I appreciate the time & effort that you put into this hobby. I find it's too easy to get caught up in all the advertising hype, this new system definitely had my attention. Since you have the triple crawler test rig set up, would you be willing to do a similar video showcasing your three TrailMaster Sport 550 motors (the 21t, 27t, & the new 45t)? Maybe even run them with the HW1080 so we can get your take on this controller with your motors? I believe others would be interested in this as well. Thanks man!
Truck breaking systems are a no-go for me. I'll stick with your gear, thank you. Great video review, to bad the product was sub par(I can say it, its my opinion folks).
Good job, Mr. Holmes!
i dont understand this... I am driving Mamba X with an Castle 1900 KV 4 pole sensored, a lot of my friends drive Hobbywing Axe with 2300 KV. ALL the Hobbywing Systems are smoother, slower to drive uphill and downhill, 4 times slower ! and the dragbrake holds the rigg in trhe hill like weldet. So i dont understand what you are doing here? Is it because of the motor? What´s the best Motor for mamba X ? Greets
Well, considering this video was posted about a year before your comment, HW did some tweaks and changes in their software. I believe he did mention this is a prerelease unit, it may not have the latest firmware in it. That alone can make all the difference.
h.w. all tha way
we are on the same page..sr
Wow. I am supposed to be getting one for a review when they come out but jeeze that bottom end is no good for a comp rig. I spoke with you at length at the USTE and I tried to keep up but it was difficult LoL. Thank you for this review and the real world testing.
I really tried to make this vid less tech slap and more in-use tests with explanations. Hard to refute simple testing next to other systems, and it's hard to see how smooth something really is without having it compared!
keep going back to my hobbywing axe for comp. so much control.. !
Excellent info delivery& testing. I've been looking into the HW axe system because its quiet and better than the oem brushed. Mamba puller pro has my curiosity. Great video review
This system has gotten much better with firmware updates. I just got it and it has way lower startup speed than that. Mine with move so slow you can hardly see it move.
Yeah now nothing can match the low speed control.
Nothing... except a nice brushed motor or a well tuned puller pro and mamba X. Or sw4 and revolver. It holds up in the market with their firmware changes, but the only unique part is the velocity loop. Give me about 4 months and I'll have a velocity mode on my escs as well.
@@HolmesHobbies can’t wait! Love your motors. Would love to carry your motors at the RadioShack I work at. We are a Traxxas and Redcat dealer and are trying to expand what we carry. Gj
@@HolmesHobbies I found I can go slower than any other setup but you need a good controller and the drag brake is overkill.
I havent tried the latest firmware, is there no drag adjust? Just stopped, and going huh?
After watching this review, and reading some of the comments here. It would sure seen that there is a definite bias from Holmes, who is a HobbyWing competitor. This was expected. But reading some of the comments here, it is amusing to see so many clearly brainwashed by Holmes. I mean, I do agree with Holmes on many subject's myself, and I am a fan of Holmes Hobbies product's as well. But to say this is for noobs is laughable, and a clear bias. I spent the money for the Axe FOC combo for myself. And I must say it is a game changer. I did open the motor after countless mud runs, and splashing around, and I found no moisture. Even the bearings have a rubber gasket over them. I did find 12 staggered magnets inside. I'm no motor builder like Holmes Hobbies or HobbyWing, but I assume it has something to do with this motors abilities. So, contrary to Holmes noobs theory, if you want a chance at winning any crawler competitions, you may have to spend the cash yourself. Here is why. Once you crawl over any obstacle, there is no other system available that is capable of stopping your roll down hill effectively, like the HW Axe Foc can. Crossing a steep teetie tottering bridge for instance. And the one thing that sold it for me was, there is no annoying high pitch motor noise, like the 14 pole Holmes Revolver.
The MambaX and SW4 both have active rectification which slows down a rig while "on throttle" downhill. I still don't like the velocity loop of the system, which is what makes it drive like it does. I want torque control, not RPM control. It's a personal preference, just my opinion. But, the basic issues of having very weak torque and power delivery are still there too, along with it really being no smoother than many other choices on the market. It's a good first attempt by Hobbywing. It's good for drivers that haven't or don't want to learn throttle control, which is mostly newbies. It does negate the need to learn how to predict a motor's response to terrain. Outside of that it falls short of many other systems in startup smoothness, torque, power, and RPM envelope- falling short in 4 very important areas just isn't game changing.
I'll also say, it's my honest opinion. I wouldn't stick my neck out and put out a garbage or false review. I almost didn't release this one because it wasn't so positive, but was convinced by others to do it anyway. There are upsides to the system, for sure. Low noise, a good hill hold, smooth enough for most drivers. The velocity loop is something I can't get past. And the torque, power, and rpm envelope are unequivocally industry worst in the brushless crawling segment. All in all, I can't give it a shining review because it misses so many marks that are important to ME as a driver.
@@HolmesHobbies i put the axe 550 2700kv in my trx 4, even though im a castle fanboy and would prefer to support us based companies. it has plenty of power and the updated firmware solved the torque control issue. would like to see new review comparing the best of everyone with the axe 550
Great info. Thanks for the objective view. So i guess i'll stay a HolmesHobby and Castle guy.
Thank you for the note that any waterproof motor (brush or brushless) need constantly service after every splash ride.
I feel like it always needs to be said.
HolmesHobbies people don’t realize that the internal temp drops significantly which creates a strong vacuum while underwater.
Huge reason why automotive vehicles have breathed tubes so that the air flow during axle temperature fluctuations isn’t damage seals or ingesting water
Great video and info! Keep it up man!!!
I appreciate this, thank you John
Are these the stock settings on the sw4 esc? Or your custom tune on the sw4 esc? Looking at purchasing the sw4 and revolver combo but I'm not good at setting up esc's.
I love the revolver system
It’s what set up I want for my trx4
How dose it do on a heavier rig ???
My trx4 has a lot of weight to it with the hard body and all the brass....or what do you think 🤔 I should run ???
The revolver will take as much weight as you can throw at it, that is the specialty!
You WILL be impressed with it.
How do you like it after the firmware update?
2:23 i would imagine the rubber shielding on the bearing is to keep water out of the... bearing. just like is the case with every other use of a one. its keep the grease in the bearing in the bearing and debris (including water) out. a smooth running bearing is crucial and keeping it that way is a top priority. im surprised this didnt occur to the dude who makes some of the best motors
with software update you have much better torque controll now ,but still a nice review
Thanks for this review! Probably just saved me!
Great video, really enjoyed the detail:)
VERY comprehensive showdown, great that you used same test rigs & batteries, and left the bodies off to allow sounds to be more easily compared. Exhaustive work on your part to try and see just what the "new" configuration of the AXE system brings to the table.This video leads me to the conclusion that I got my bases covered with 1 rig running a brushed HH TrailMaster Pro 550 21t / HW 1080 ESC, 1 rig with a HH Revolver 1800kv / Mamba X, and 1 rig with a HH PP "R" 540-L 4100kv / Mamba Monster X. Don't know of any niche in there that needs this AXE system. Rock On with your tie-dyed self, JRH!
("durok" at RCCrawler.com)
Thanks for the review man! good work!
Awesome video. i think you products are the bomb. You get what you pay for.
Thank you sir!
i have tried different motors for comp. last one being my micromaba x syst. with the yellow jacket 2000 kv.
but i keep coming back to my hobbywing axe 2300
smooth, slow, power, punch, plus lots o control.
( but yes... !!holmes motors are good too)
some people prefer the velocity loop. But I wouldn't call either of those systems powerful or punchy, lol!
How do you setup or use expo throttle????
im still using a novak rooster , best ESC ever
Not sure what your seeing but the cerium looks and sounds better. You said it yourself “that’s the xerun making me look like I’m a better driver than I am”
Very insightful and great explanation just heard hobbywing did some tweaks to the system to try and address the issue guess I'll have to wait to see what the Harley designs has to say but he was giving the same issue with the old setup
I'll have to revisit it soon. It's still a weak system for being brushless, but maybe they can smooth things out so its smoother.
ARE YOU USING A 2S LIPO OR 3S
I know I am late but this was great! I have the TRX4 w/SW4 and MX HH Revolver both are the bomb. I pulled out an old Novak Ballistic Crawler 18.5T and I haven't got the low speed control of the PP. Is there a programing setup I should try to come close to the PP? Or do I need to just buy the PP for quiet trailing. But I do miss the feedback from the Revolver. I am usually 6 to 10 feet away from the truck so it's never too loud when crawling. I would like to ask if you can do the same video with your brushed motors on the Castle systems since they both will run brushed motors as well.
Thanks Jerry! You will be rather limited by the Ballistic, it inherently has a high startup RPM due to the stator shape and rotor diameter. Which brushed motors in particular are you interested in seeing next to each other?
Trailmaster w/Top Hat, along with the TM Pro, and a Crawlmaster, you can select the best turns to use. Also include a HW 1080 esc and a Torquemaster BR-XL, if you could please. I believe you get what you pay for in electronics (and I've wasted a lot of $ w/HW) but some people have to see it side by side to believe it. After today's run I think you are correct about the Ballistic. I started last year with the stock brushed motor and really liked the low speed control, but when I upgraded to the Revolver I was shocked at what low speed control and torque I was able to get. I am like you very picky and will be putting the SW4 & Revolver back in. I am going to get a Puller Pro next for the MX to go in my Ascender.
Nice video John. Just been talking to Justin about a set up for our 9kg CrossRC MC8 and lo here is the Revolver set up suggested. No cogging evident on the unsensored Revolver, right? I think that's the most interesting element here. AXE looks nice, sells nice, feels nice, but perhaps isn't as fancy as the PR blurb would have us believe then. Interesting!
My Xerun Axe 3300KV goes twice faster reverse than frowards.
Cabels correctly connected.
HOBBYWING app calibrated properly.
Any ideas guys?
Just ordered a revolver. Been watching them a while but got to try it for myself.
Always good Info , awesome
Imagine this AXE system in 1200kv in 2 speed rig, like trx4 kit or scx10-2 kit. This technology will only get better, hopefully firmware upgrades from HW. This is likely as close as you can get to brushed. I definitely supporting this system and have one on order. Even as early adapter, I want support this. I expected CASTLE to be the pioneer of this, but HW it is.
The FOC has a lot of downsides, honestly. Primarily, you are stuck with one motor choice. I have talked with Castle in depth about this and they will always make ESCs universal. This does not at all feel like driving a brushed motor though. I don't know why HW keeps saying this. The lack of torque control is completely the opposite of what makes brushed controllable.
love my Sidewinder 4/ Revolver 540 1800kv and my 1080 in my scx10
I hope Castle revises their sensor wire to something a bit more rugged in the future
They did on the ESC side. Now we just need to come up with a motor side improvement ;)
Great vid , was considering this system for the vanquish vs4 but not sure now ?? Any advice on a brushless system for the vs4 would be appreciated, iv always run brushed in my rigs. Cheers keep up the good work ..
After finding the torque control nonexistent in the AXE, I do have a hard time recommending it. A slate system would work well. A SW4 and Revolver would work well. mamba X and puller pro would be great too. Lots of choices.
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Great review bro, I thought it would be a game-changer, but not so,lol. Much appreicated,
The AXE got a FW update .... it can now go so slow you cannot tell if it moves or not :D
Hi holmes i have the sidewinder with the revolver snubnose v2 but the start up with mine is pretty jerky after that it wil creep slow as f...
Hi, this is my first Holmes Hobbies YT video - and it won’t be my last - a well put together review! My TRX-4 motor burnt out after about 1 year of very regular use (mostly trailing rather than stressful crawling) and I have been told this is a pretty good lifespan for a crawling motor - which has to put up with high current and low speeds which is far worse than in road cars and planes for example. In the UK a Titan motor is nearly £27 ($36) which to me is a bit steep for a can motor for 1 year. I have been recommended your Holmes motors, but can’t find them in the UK… do you have a supplier here?
A UK based hobby shop recommended this AXE system, but after your comprehensive review I don't think so this time round!
The Revolver motor sound really harsh. Is it just the microphone picking that hight pitch noise up, or will I wake up my neighbors with that thing? I'd really like to know.
The mic is just picking it up more. It's a bit loud compared to others, for sure. But not so loud that neighbors can hear it.
John will you do this with the new axe systems please
Had my RC G8 Axe going slower than you had the Sidewinder setup, with all stock settings on the radio. I have a very finessful finger. maybe that's it. but I could go slower than the sidewinder on the RC with he AXE system. Start up can be stupid slow.
Holmes has been beatin and he know's it
What about submerging the motor in corrosion x for several hours to let whatever liquid that can find it's way in, coat the internals?
I have a sidewinder 4 with a 27turn Holmes hobby motor in my HPI venture its pretty good together do you think another motor would work better with the sidewinder 4 my trx4 has the axe system in it I have no complaints yet.
Can't you turn off the auto power system? I think I saw that in a different video. Will the 1200kv motor have a smoother start? I believe the off the line punch can be adjusted?
Test Start at 8:00
Is there ANY benefit to running a Mamba X over a SW 4 with the revolver?
Less noise maybe?
Less noise at full throttle, but more noise at low throttle with the X. The X does have the Aux wire function too, and that is pretty nice. Either are a fantastic choice.
The axe seems to be smoother and quieter or were we watching a completely different video?
He said it was a pre release version.
Nice review had a question are you going to make a version 2 of your esc. I'll be the first in line to get it. Thanks again.
Looks like it might happen. It is a long process, but I signed NDA agreements with Castle so we could resume discussions about it.
So if you had to go and buy a esc and motor combo right this minute what would you choose? For most trailing and some crawling. I guess it would be just bashing around the woods and crawling over crap in the way. It will be going in an scx10 wroncho build
trailmaster pro or puller pro 2700 and mamba X
Any idea why my axe esc wont connect to my phone? I tried everything I can think of
obviously this video is couple yrs old & full disclaimer Im a HH/Castle guy, I have 4 HH motors with the Puller Pro being my favorite so far.. I'm curious tho, Ive heard reviewers saying the auto mode, that keeps adjusting power can be turned on or off, that its up to the driver, is this true or is it always on? Thanks....... I prefer finger throttle control & curve..
They did add the feature to drive without velocity loop.
Great review
will the micro x perform the same as the full size in this situation? great video!
your sidewinder set up seems great to me- BUT you no longer have them for sale on your site?
Hi, my 2300km Axe foc combo motor need new bearings. Can you help me with the spec or size of those bearings ? Thanks
sounds like your saying we should use brushed motors i like consistent torque
There's some amazing brushless systems for crawlers now. If the axe or mamba is too expensive check out the hobbywing quickrun fusion 1800kv it's what I run and it is amazing at low speed and its 150$ which is 100 less than the mamba or axe.
I'm a comp guy brushed puller 500/400 in everything I'm picking up a trx4 to play around with i wanna go brushless but wanna be faster in 2nd gear than stock to play with lol but still would like low end control in 1st the revolver is great on low end but slower or close to stock in 2nd gear top end.. what would u recommend for wanting to go faster but still have some control in 1st?
The Revolver will take a 4S LiPo... (just sayin')
You'd have to choose something like a Mamba X instead of the 3S-maximum SideWinder4, but hey - you get the Aux Wire feature to turn off drag-brake on the fly in 2nd gear for more fun!
stratobungle Can you please elaborate on the no drag brake in 2nd gear. I have a TRX4 with MambaX Slate 2850k, love the drag brake at 100% in 1st but 100% drag brake is no good in 2nd gear.
You can read up on rccrawler.com on setting up a shift servo to actuate at the same time as the Aux Wire feature of the CC Mamba X changes from "Crawler Mode" to "Rock Racer Mode".
Details on programming your ESC are here:
www.castlecreations.com/crawlermode
stratobungle thank you!
I bet 4s would be nasty with the revolver and still have great low end.. but it will be twice as load as well lol
I didn't see you even bring up the HW ESC Bluetooth App to tune the performance. Factory Servo Voltage is 6v, can be 7.4v if servo is 7.4v. There is a range of settings to tune the crawling performance to driver style.
only got to 17min in had to go to work, maybe he says something later.
I tuned it for about an hour prior to filming to get it as best as would work.
@@HolmesHobbies I heard somewhere, ha ha, you like wheel speed, but I actually find my Axe crawls best for me dialed back in almost every parameter. I'm running 50% Fwd 25% Bck, for example and it has much better response. I'll have to drive an Axial or another ESC to experience the difference.
So which is the best system to get for the trx4. Thanks
The revolver is amazing but that high pitch scream is ear piercing. I haven't seen one in person so is it really that high pitch in person or is it just amplified through your mic??
It is noticeable, but the mic is indeed picking it up more than the surrounding noise.
HolmesHobbies - I thought so. It's deafening through the mic. Lol . I have to get one eventually though. The low speed control out of it is incredible 🤙😁
It's really not too bad when you're running it outside. The mic is making it more piercing than it really is. Inside it's pretty loud though, but still not ear piercing. I love a silent setup for sure but when you want that outrunner performance I guess the noise is the downside you just have to deal with. But man it's a sweet setup!!
Michael Burgess I have several Revolver OutRunner's and have done several videos. The mic definitely picks up more sound than there actually is but they are noisy. But the torque and control it has is better than anything I've ever tried in almost 30 years of building Monster Trucks and Trail/crawler rigs.
Madeline Lucas - Awsome. Thanks everyone for the info. I will definitely get one when I can. They just seem incredible on the low end & torque for days.
I just noticed these Axe systems and the marketing got me interested....
after watching the video, there's NO WAY I'm going to consider the revolver....I couldn't follow that sound around for an hour....
I did like the puller pro and will look into it more, as well as the Tekin stuff....
I've not done a brushless trail truck yet, and so far have been happy with my ages old Tekin FXR and 55t, as well as a few AE5 setups with 27t and 35t motors...
now I'm torn, keep looking into brushless, or just get a good brushed setup that will be a step above the Axial stuff for next truck build... might look into a BXR from Tekin and a 35t of some sort.... and spend the extra on other bits, like some scale goodies or lights. ....
It's nice that we have a lot of choices in the market. There should be some options soon for making the revolver run with less noise too. It's not the motor's fault ,it is the ESC.
Hey john will you be doin something like this again with the new axe 540 size can coming out ? Would love to see it !
Your Revolver system seem the best bang for the buck, but when I went to your site- BUT they are no longer available? what kind of gearing are you running on them trucks- Thanks-
More in late April they say, but prally moved back due to C-19
What happens when the Revolver gets into mud, water, sand? With it spinning like that it scares me that it will suck in substances that will harm it. Am I wrong to be concerned? Thank you for a very thorough examination of the systems. All that Axe hype and technical jargon was really sucking me in. Reality is the real test, thanks again.
The revolver can get damaged in mud or sand. It would not be my first choice for getting into nasty stuff. I prefer the Trailmaster sport, it's not so bad to ruin a 15 or $20 motor.
@@HolmesHobbies Thank you for your reply. I really would like to get a Revolver for one of my rigs that doesn't tread into environments that might harm it. I LOVE THE SOUND OF IT!!
hello, would you recommend the mamba x 2850kv brushless system? plan to install it to my scx10 ii
compared to the axe, yes indeed. The Puller Pro stubby would be a lighter motor choice with better low speed control.
would be nice if you can review the AXE540 system with the release of the new firmware last June 2019
Well, I can tell you that it's not any more powerful, and drives like the weakest brushless ive ever owned when the velocity loop is turned off. It's cool they at least gave the option to turn that off (even though I'm probably the only person that asked for it), but it removed the false feel of being a strong system. So I don't like it any better, lol!